If you saved a billion dollars in a bank and months later you are told that the money has been lost.

Do you think it is appropriate for the bank to tell you that you have lost your money? No. What will happen is that the bank will be held responsible for losing the money it helped you save.

Compare that to a situation where people say you can lose your salvation after Jesus Christ saved you. You can't lose your salvation because you didn't save yourself. If you get LOST after Jesus SAVED you, then he will be held responsible for losing what he saved, not you.

I'm glad that the Bank of Jesus Christ is not like earthly banks that fold up or can have armed robbers or cyber fraudsters break in. This is why I believe I'm forever SAVED in his arms and can never lose my salvation.

He himself said it...

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall any man PLUCK them out of my hand." - John 10:28

If you don't believe those words, then you don't believe in the amazing Grace of Jesus Christ.

Most people think we have to be totally sinless before we can make heaven. That is why they believe a single sin, no matter how small it is, makes them lose their salvation. This believe of theirs contradicts the Bible.

The Bible strongly shows that everyone on Earth is a sinner.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 KJV
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Romans 3:23 KJV
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

1 John 1:8 KJV
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


Those who believe one has to be sinless to make heaven should please pay attention to the last verse above. It says anyone who says he has no sin is deceiving himself and the truth is not in him.

If your great pastors who appear as if they see God daily should say they are without sin, I will immediately see them as liars without the truth in them. I hope you also saw this verse below.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 KJV
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

We are all sinners and that's why Jesus came to save us from our sins. If we could save ourselves by avoiding sin, he won't have had any need to come. He knew we will always sin, that's why he came to pay for it.

Mathew 1:21 KJV
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

How do we make heaven now that we know we are all sinners? Look, we can only make heaven if we become righteous like Jesus Christ which is the righteousness of God.

Jesus Christ came to earth and lived totally righteous, not one single sin. That's why any man claiming he's without sin is lying and trying to equate himself with Jesus Christ the sinless one. Jesus who was righteous was killed like the worst sinner. Why did that happen?

2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus took upon himself our sins and his righteousness was transferred to we who believe in what he did on the cross. We are now righteous in God's eyes, such that even though men and Satan see our sins, God doesn't. He sees Jesus Christ who has been punished for it, who paid for it.

Same thing happens when a hardened criminal gets sentenced by a judge. Then someone shows up and offers to serve the sentence while the criminal is set free like a righteous man. That someone is Jesus while we were the criminal.

With this righteousness of God which Jesus has given us, we can now enter into heaven which is a righteous place where God the Father dwells.

John 1:12 KJV
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Does that mean we can continue sinning as we like? No. Note that we will always sin as long as we are in this sinful flesh. But God will punish us here on earth for that. Remember the verse above, we have become his children. No father sets his son ablaze for disobedience. The son only gets spanked. And that is what God does to his children who disobey him.

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Lol! This is really cracking me up.

Just so you know, there is a book called the book of life, and here's what God had to say about those whose names are written in that book!

Exodus 32:31-33
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:31-33

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you can continue sinning and your name would still remain in that book.

So Jesus too get Bank? It must be registered with the CBN too? No wonder most pastors are wealthy.

But why did Jesus lived in penury throughout his lifetime?

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! This is really cracking me up.

Just so you know, there is a book called the book of life, and here's what God had to say about those whose names are written in that book!

Exodus 32:31-33
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:31-33

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you can continue sinning and your name would still remain in that book.

Op is making a lot of sense.

He never alluded to encouraging people to continue living in sin.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! This is really cracking me up.

Just so you know, there is a book called the book of life, and here's what God had to say about those whose names are written in that book!

Exodus 32:31-33
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:31-33

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you can continue sinning and your name would still remain in that book.

You again? With your pharisiacal teachings?

HEY BABY MILKER! SINCE YOU ARE STILL DWELLING IN AND OPERATING WITH YOUR SINFUL BODY AND NATURE, CAN YOU KINDLY TELL US HOW SINLESS AND PERFECT YOU ARE IN THE BRAIN, EYES, EARS, LEGS, MOUTH, LIPS, HANDS, BELLY, THOUGHT, HEART, MIND, GOD'S WORK, OBEDIENCE, SPIRITUAL WALK, FASTING, PRAYER LIFE, STUDY LIFE, GIVING, TITHING, VOWS, CHARACTER, OUTREACH, SPEECHES, HABITS, FRIENDSHIPS, EATING, DRINKING, DRESSING, ETC..

Go straight to the point without blabbing while answering. Waiting......

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! This is really cracking me up.

Just so you know, there is a book called the book of life, and here's what God had to say about those whose names are written in that book!

Exodus 32:31-33
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:31-33

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you can continue sinning and your name would still remain in that book.

God bless you sir. Those that keep saying once saved forever saved are causing a great harm

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! This is really cracking me up.

Just so you know, there is a book called the book of life, and here's what God had to say about those whose names are written in that book!

Exodus 32:31-33
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:31-33

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you can continue sinning and your name would still remain in that book.

You don't seem to know that everyone's name is written in the Book of Life from the moment we were born. That's why babies and little children go to heaven when they die at that age.

We were all written in the book of Life when we were born. It is sin that gets out name blotted out of it. The moment we accept Jesus as the one to save us from our sins, our name gets written in it again. We immediately get eternal life according to John 3:16

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does eternal life mean? It means a life that never ends but goes on for all eternity. If sin could make the eternal life end, then it was never eternal. It means God lied when he said he gave us eternal life for believing in Jesus.

John 5:10-11 KJV
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

You do not believe that God has given us a life that never ends and that we can never perish. You have made him a liar because you did not believe when he said it. According to you, sin can end God's work

So, what you have clearly done is quote a verse without full understanding of it. That is what Satan does to keep people in bondage.

If the Bible says we are sinners, how can the same Bible now support your stance? You are wrong.

Let me give you an assignment. Mention just one person on Earth that is without sin.

You can never have an answer to that assignment. So, that clearly means we are all sinners and doomed. That's why we depend on Jesus to save us.

But you are here telling people that they must never sin or else they will miss heaven. You are making that insinuation even when a verse in the OP says "there's no righteous man on Earth that forth good and sinneth not."

Look, you can keep depending on your ability to not sin, instead of depending on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. But guess what? If you live your whole life in a sinless way but offend in a little way, as little as stealing a match stick, you will not only be guilty for the stolen match stick but also for fornication, adultery, murder and other sins which you never committed. That's what the Bible says below.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point , he is guilty of all.

Dpending on your ability to keep the law clearly shows why you do not believe Jesus when he said he has fulfilled the law on your behalf and paid for your sins.

Galatians 5:4 KJV
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Titus 1 v 15-16;

15To the pure, all things are pure,but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they DENY him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.


WHAT IS THE FATE OF THOSE WHO DENY GOD?

Matthew 10 v 33
33 But whosoever shall DENY me before men, him will I also DENY before my Father which is in heaven.

matex97:
God bless you sir. Those that keep saying once saved forever saved are causing a great harm

Rather, it is those who call Jesus Christ a Saviour but turn around to say he loses what he saves that are causing a great harm to humanity.

What did Jesus Christ himself say?

John 10:28 KJV
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


If Jesus himself promised that no man can pluck those he has saved from his hands, who are you to say otherwise?

He said "neither shall any man PLUCK them out of my hand". What this means is that you as a man can't even pluck yourself from his hand. This means that no matter how much you sin, you can't be plucked out of his hand. Why? Read the next verse.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

alBHAGDADI:


You don't seem to know that everyone's name is written in the Book of Life from the moment we were born. That's why babies and little children go to heaven when they die at that age.

We were all written in the book of Life when we were born. It is sin that gets out name blotted out of it. The moment we accept Jesus as the one to save us from our sins, our name gets written in it again. We immediately get eternal life according to John 3:16

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does eternal life mean? It means a life that never ends but goes on for all eternity. If sin could make the eternal life end, then it was never eternal. It means God lied when he said he gave us eternal life for believing in Jesus.

John 5:10-11 KJV
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

You do not believe that God has given us a life that never ends and that we can never perish. You have made him a liar because you did not believe when he said it. According to you, sin can end God's work

So, what you have clearly done is quote a verse without full understanding of it. That is what Satan does to keep people in bondage.

If the Bible says we are sinners, how can the same Bible now support your stance? You are wrong.

Let me give you an assignment. Mention just one person on Earth that is without sin.

You can never have an answer to that assignment. So, that clearly means we are all sinners and doomed. That's why we depend on Jesus to save us.

But you are here telling people that they must never sin or else they will miss heaven. You are making that insinuation even when a verse in the OP says "there's no righteous man on Earth that forth good and sinneth not."

Look, you can keep depending on your ability to not sin, instead of depending on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. But guess what? If you live your whole life in a sinless way but offend in a little way, as little as stealing a match stick, you will not only be guilty for the stolen match stick but also for fornication, adultery, murder and other sins which you never committed. That's what the Bible says below.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point , he is guilty of all.

Dpending on your ability to keep the law clearly shows why you do not believe Jesus when he said he has fulfilled the law on your behalf and paid for your sins.

Galatians 5:4 KJV
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Does it mean that the verses he quoted are wrong?

chimdi101:

Does it mean that the verses he quoted are wrong?

He didn't quotes verses, he only quoted one verse in an attempt to rubbish the many verses in the OP which are in harmony. That shows that he quoted it wrongly.

alBHAGDADI:


Rather, it is those who call Jesus Christ a Saviour but turn around to say he loses what he saves that are causing a great harm to humanity.

What did Jesus Christ himself say?

John 10:28 KJV
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


If Jesus himself promised that no man can pluck those he has saved from his hands, who are you to say otherwise?

He said "neither shall any man PLUCK them out of my hand". What this means is that you as a man can't even pluck yourself from his hand. This means that no matter how much you sin, you can't be plucked out of his hand. Why? Read the next verse.

29 My Father, which gae, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I understand the point that you are trying to make but i will love to ask that "what is the fate of anyone that accepted Christ but continue to live in perpetual sin till he died?

matex97:
I understand the point that you are trying to make but i will love to ask that "what is the fate of anyone that accepted Christ but continue to live in perpetual sin till he died?

Can you explain this?

1 Corinthians 5:5
New Living Translation
Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.

King James Bible
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

matex97:
I understand the point that you are trying to make but i will love to ask that "what is the fate of anyone that accepted Christ but continue to live in perpetual sin till he died?

Such a person will continue to suffer on this Earth. Imagine you say you want to keep sniffing cocaine and inducing heroine in your body because you think it's cool. You will end up in a psychiatric hospital.

If you want to keep smoking, cancer is awaiting you.

If you want to keep stealing, jail awaits you. Do you know how many prisoners don't even know what Facebook, Instagram and Android phones are? That's because they've been in prison for decades. The only time they hear of social media is when a new criminal comes in. If you keep stealing, you might end up as the new criminal to tell them about social media. Guess what? decades later, a new criminal will come into prison to tell you about the latest trends then. That's all because you chose to continue to commit the sin of stealing.

So, when God says don't sin, it's basically for your own good. If you do, God can punish you for it which is why some end in jail. God will punish you like a loving father, but will never cast you in hell. Earthly father's don't throw their sons to tigers to eat. Why do we think God will do the same to those who are brothers to Jesus and now his sons?

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Yes ooo

AntiChristian:
So Jesus too get Bank? It must be registered with the CBN too? No wonder most pastors are wealthy.

But why did Jesus lived in penury throughout his lifetime?

Muhammad plundered, stole and shared the spoils of the war and inherited the wealth of Khadijah.

He's the role model of Boko Haram.


Those are the source of his ill gotten wealth.

Jesus never lacked anything, anything he needed, he divinely provided it.

He brought out money from the mouth of the fish

He made fishermen catch numerous fish


He multipled fish and bread to feed thousands.

He proved to be a real Prophet, not an impostor and thief like false Prophet Muhammad

advocatejare:

Muhammad plundered, stole and shared the spoils of the war and inherited the wealth of Khadijah.

He's the role model of Boko Haram.


Those are the source of his ill gotten wealth.

Jesus never lacked anything, anything he needed, he divinely provided it.

He brought out money from the mouth of the fish

He made fishermen catch numerous fish


He multipled fish and bread to feed thousands.

He proved to be a real Prophet, not an impostor and thief like false Prophet Muhammad

See Yahweh and Jesus your LORDs below:

Let's find the real role model of Boko Haram

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their (three) LORDs false violent Gods. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house. Boko Haram been trying to kill Zulum Borno State Governor.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

There is no excuse here! None! He was not forgiving and merciful at all.
Keep virgins alive for yourself is similar to what BH is doing with Chibok girls and other girls they kidnapped.

Judges 1:21-35
The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.
When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves.

Zephaniah 2:12-15
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

Leviticus 21:9
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Interesting

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.

Jeremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

Another massacre, same old story.

Isaiah 13:15-18
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

[b]It seem it gets from bad to worse![/b]

1 Kings 13:1-2
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat your slave as much as you like, just make sure IT doesn't die, and I call the slave it since a slave is a mere possession according to the Bible.

I think that should do, this without a doubt proves that the Bible that the Christians hold preaches and advocates terrorism. I challenge any Christian to come and tell me these verses which I posted are not evil and not terrorism.

More Killings from the LORD, the LORD does not change. He is the same today, yesterday and forever.

I the LORD do not change
Malachi 3:6

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21
8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts committed by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command.

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual accept the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?

Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29
1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Another battle, another massacre of women and children.

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43
28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who they claim to be Jesus.

AntiChristian:


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Let's find the real role model of Boko Haram

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their (three) LORDs false violent Gods. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house. Boko Haram been trying to kill Zulum Borno State Governor.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

There is no excuse here! None! He was not forgiving and merciful at all.
Keep virgins alive for yourself is similar to what BH is doing with Chibok girls and other girls they kidnapped.

Judges 1:21-35
The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.
When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves.

Zephaniah 2:12-15
"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

Leviticus 21:9
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Interesting

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?

1 Kings 20:35-36
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!

Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.

Jeremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

Another massacre, same old story.

Isaiah 13:15-18
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

[b]It seem it gets from bad to worse![/b]

1 Kings 13:1-2
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat your slave as much as you like, just make sure IT doesn't die, and I call the slave it since a slave is a mere possession according to the Bible.

I think that should do, this without a doubt proves that the Bible that the Christians hold preaches and advocates terrorism. I challenge any Christian to come and tell me these verses which I posted are not evil and not terrorism.

Allah knows nothing than fighting and killing and that's what he commands you his followers to be doing:

"And fight in the cause of Allah and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 244)

"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 123)

"Indeed, Allah loves those who fight in His cause in a row as though they are a [single] structure joined firmly."
(QS. As-Saff 61: Verse 4)


Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.
- Quran 4:76

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued.
-Quran 9:29

Allah is a killer:

"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 191)

"You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 91)

Allah said he was a killer:
"And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 17)


"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 5)

Allah even shared in the spoils of war and gather it for himself.


"They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the bounties [of war]. Say, The bounties is for Allah and the Messenger. So fear Allah and amend that which is between you and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you should be believers."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 1)


And Allah is not OK with one-tenth, Allah the thief and the killer demands 1/5th

"And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah, over all things, is competent."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 41)

alBHAGDADI:


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sir I have a question about this eternal security doctrine does it mean we can commit sin on our deathbed and be sure of heaven because we are already saved

jefff455:
sir I have a question about this eternal security doctrine does it mean we can commit sin on our deathbed and be sure of heaven because we are already saved

Saved from what?

sonmvayina:

Saved from what?

Good question

jefff455:
sir I have a question about this eternal security doctrine does it mean we can commit sin on our deathbed and be sure of heaven because we are already saved

What sin could you possibly be thinking about committing in your deathbed?

Look, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. He has paid for your sins of yesterday, today and those to come.

If you decide to commit sin on your deathbed, God might make your death painful, but your soul will is already saved.