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Poll: Which SUV Would You Buy?Volkswagen Touareg: 37% (12 votes)
BMW X5: 62% (20 votes)
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|2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 7:20pm On Apr 12, 2011|
After much deliberation, and due to the need for more space, I have decided to trade my Audi A4 3,0 V6 Avant Quattro for a full-size SUV. I have narrowed these down to two models - the 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Altitude and the 2010 BMW X5 M Sport. Those who know me, will know what sort of cars I specialise in, and may be able to guess which model I'd most likely lean towards.
I'm a manual fan, but not an option on later models, which are automatic only. I can live with that. So, both my shortlisted cars are top of the range, similarly equipped, with 8-speed automatics. Which would you go for? I've pretty much made up my mind, just curious to see what you guys would choose, and why. There are other full-size SUV's out there, but I would prefer to keep responses strictly to the two German offerings, from Volkswagen and BMW.
It would also be nice to hear the experiences of those that have driven / owned these SUV's. I am looking at petrol-engined versions, The Volkswagen Touareg 3,6L V6 and the BMW X5 3,0L I6.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Sannmmy: 12:12am On Apr 13, 2011|
well, i guess you already know all about the quality and the price difference when it comes to purchase and maintenance so i'll just talk on the beauty and class of the cars, come on, how could you put the touareg and the X5 in the same class, i'm thinking you should be comparing the X5 with a Porsche cayenne, the X5 to me completely outweighs the touareg, style, class, durability, of course you know all that comes with more money,
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Find Out!(m): 7:39am On Apr 13, 2011|
I'll go for the X5 above the Touareg anyday, mainly for aesthetic reasons. The 2010 X5 is more beautiful inside n out, than the touareg, in my opinion. both are solid cars, 6 cylinder engines (not bad 4 an SUV- fuel economy wise-), and as u r a guru under the hood,with excellent knowledge of d engine stuffs, I dnt think u'll hav issues regardin maintenance, yeah, i suspect u'll buy the touareg based on ur obvious leaning towards Audi , but I think the X5 is more beautiful, just wonderin, why didnt u consider any of Audi's SUVs such as the Q7?
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 8:23am On Apr 13, 2011|
In choosing any car, I tend to look beyond aesthetics, though I would say, beauty in a car will have different meanings to everyone. The Audi Q7 would undoubtedly be my first choice, but with cost being a consideration (Audi Q7 start at £18,000) I would prefer an SUV I could stump up the cash for, without reverting to finance.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 8:52am On Apr 13, 2011|
Depending on what you term as "class", BMW has always had a certain reputation, which has very little to do with being classy. I won't go into that though, as it will move this thread to a different section.
In terms of price and maintenance, there's little between both SUV's. They're both full-size German offerings. I also look at the mechanical aspect of any car. The Volkswagen Touareg, being based on the Audi Q7, has the better centre differential. When it comes to AWD, Audi is the daddy, being the first in the world (yes, check their history) to apply AWD in Motorsport, with the original Audi Quattro, As such, the transfer case is over-engineered for road use, and failures are rare. All the AWD in passenger cars today are an evolution of the Quattro-system used in the Audi Pikes Peak race / hill-climb car.
The BMW X5 is a great car, with the only obvious weakness being the transfer case. It's brilliant on the road, though off-road, the Volkswagen Touareg outdoes it. The suspension of the Touareg has way more articulation than the X5, thanks to its wider track, air suspension and lower centre of gravity. I have never owned either SUV, but have worked extensively on most German makes, and in all this time, I've never had to rebuild the differential of a Touareg, though I have had to do so on the X5. So in terms of durability, the Touareg shines, it's actually better than the Audi Q7, which is more of a luxury, full-size SUV, as opposed to a dedicated off-roader. The Audi and BMW are classed as "soft-roaders".
I hear you mentioned the Porsche Cayenne? Well, there's little between the Touareg and Cayenne, bar the name and of course, cost. Both the Porsche Cayenne and Volkswagen Touareg share the same bodyshell, base 3,2L V6 24V engine, as well as transmission and rear differential. They are both built on the Volkswagen Group's PL71 platform. Obviously, if I wanted the Porsche look, it's not an issue - the Cayenne's front wings, bumper, headlamps, bonnet and grille are direct replacements for Touareg items, not all Porsche Cayenne's you see are what you think. A friend of mine has a Touareg, badged and frontal-styled as a Cayenne, by Sienna's own hands . . .
I am looking more at the 2010 Touareg, rather than the 2011 model, which from all reviews, surpasses the X5. I'll post up pictures in a while.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 9:07am On Apr 13, 2011|
2011 BMW X5 - a brilliant SUV, popular, competitively priced as a pre-owned car. Good muscular looks, excellent I6 engines, undoubtedly one of the smoothest I6 motors in the world. Even with a tired engine, the BMW straight-six still sings sweetly. Weak transfer case, and limited off-road ability make it less of a contender for the sticky stuff, and serious off-road use. Excellent on-road manners, drives more like a car than its size would suggest.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 9:15am On Apr 13, 2011|
2004 Volkswagen Touareg base model. Ageing, but a very strong offroader. Looking rather dated now, but upgrades are easy. 3,2L V6 is shared with Porsche Cayenne, and AWD components are well proven, from Audi's hardware. Axle articulation is excellent, so getting through bad roads, mud baths, slippery inclines etc is a breeze. Brilliant on-road manners, though not as good-looking at the more modern BMW X5 of a similar year. More a no-nonsense off-roader with no frills. The only model here available with a manual option though.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 9:26am On Apr 13, 2011|
2008 face-lifted Volkswagen Touareg. Volkswagen have taken the rather bland Touareg, and given it a mild facelift, pending the production of an all-new model, which would compete with BMW's X5. It now has adaptive headlamps, air suspension as standard, and the front end now carries Volkswagen's corporate grille, in line with their smaller models. Like the 2011 BMW, this is more of a re-skin, than a new model. BMW however, class the 2011 model as all-new. Keen eyes will spot the 2004 X5 structure as similar to the 2011 model, with mostly outer panel differences.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 9:32am On Apr 13, 2011|
2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50. This was the 5,0L V10 TDI. Volkswagen demenstrated its excellent low-speed torque, by having it tow a Boeing 747-200. Brilliant bit of kit. Whilst I will not be buying an R50, I will however be buying the wheel arch trims, side skirts, front and rear bumpers, to fit to my regular 3,6L FSI V6 Touareg. I like the more muscular look, and wheels sizes up to 24" can be fitted without issues.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 9:40am On Apr 13, 2011|
And lastly, the 2011 Volkswagen Touareg. In tests, it was said to handle more like a car than the previous model, and it now has an 8-speed automatic transmission as standard. Looks good, but I personally feel it's lost it's aggressive looks, albeit at the cost of looking more modern. In this respect, I would choose the more aggressive-looking BMW X5, it appears a stronger contender. Only the X5's transfer case issues would be my worry here. But, if I'm not using it off-road, she should be fine. However, I plan to do a lot of driving across Europe, and would like peace of mind.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Somatic(m): 10:00am On Apr 13, 2011|
Ur posts clearly show ur inclinations. Share the exact sentiments. A touareg combines the sportiness of the Porsche Cayenne with the sturdiness of the Q7. Aesthetics, simple and understated, maintaining the VW/Audi princple of U making the rules. The technology driven BMW X5 to Me's only fit for Eva Longoria in Desprate Housewives. Like u noted, good onroad handling, but I doubt if I'd like to see an X5 stuck in the mud.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 10:06am On Apr 13, 2011|
That made me chuckle.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 1:44pm On Apr 14, 2011|
I'm booked in with my local Volkswagen dealership, to test drive a 2009 Volkswagen Touareg 3,0 V6 TDI Altitude tomorrow, at 14:30.
It would appear the 3,6L V6 FSI (petrol) was not officially available in the UK market. All I find is the 3,2L V6. So, my choices will most likely be between the 4,2L V8 (petrol) and the 5,0L V10 TDI, which is an absolute beast. The 3,0L V6 TDI I'll be testing tomorrow isn't bad though, but if I was going for a diesel, it would be the V10.
To US-based Nairalanders, was the Volkswagen Touareg 3,6L FSI V6 available in the US? Kunle and any others in the United States, please advice.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 10:05am On Apr 16, 2011|
I had an hour's test driving time yesterday, of a 2009 Volkswagen Touareg 3,0 V6 TDI Altitude, at Wolsey Volkswagen Ipswich. Originally, my choice was the 3,6L V6 FSI 24V, but it doesn't exist here - it's a US-only model. Models available here are:
2,5L V6 TDI.
3,0L V6 TDI.
4,2L V6 TDI.
5,0L V10 TDI.
My original choice was not a diesel, but after driving the 3,0L V6 TDI yesterday, I'm now in two minds. The SUV I tested yesterday was an Altitude, the highest trim level available. It was a beauty, in Volkswagen Shadow Blue Pearl, with black leather, 19" wheels, full screen Navigation, Bluetooth connectivity, dual zone climate etc. All it was missing was Xenon headlamps and the air suspension, which is standard on the 4,2L V8, 4,2L V8 TDI and 5,0L V10 TDI.
On firing up the engine, there was little to tell it was a diesel-engined model, despite it being started from cold. It was as quiet and smooth as my own Audi A4 3,0L V6 Quattro, which is a petrol-engined car.
My initial impression upon driving this full-size SUV, was that it was very agile. I was able to hustle her quite rapidly round twisty roads, and the handling was nice, tight and controlled, more akin to a mid-range family sportback. The 6-speed Tiptronic is brilliant, and being a dual-clutch unit, very smooth. The gearchanges are seamless. I took her for a spirited drive down the A14, and felt yeah! I can live with this. The Navigation system worked well too, and had the most up-to-date map loaded. I couldn't fault it.
It altered my perception of a small engine in a big, heavy SUV. Though, I'm not going for this model. My choices are currently split between a 4,2L V8 petrol, and the 5,0L V10 TDI, in Altitude trim. Both will have Xenon headlamps as standard (Bi-xenon on the V10) and air suspension. I like the power and torque of the diesel though, as well as the performance.
Engine: 4,163cc V8 40V.
Power: 350 PS (257 kW; 345 bhp) @6800
Torque: 440 N·m (325 ft·lbf) @3500
5,0L V10 TDI
Engine: 4,921cc V10 20V
Power: 350 PS (257 kW; 345 bhp) @3500
Torque: 850 N·m (627 ft·lbf) @2000
A difficult choice, though all depends on which one I find first. Prices are similar in the pre-owned market. Just for reference, the Volkswagen Touareg V10 R50 cost £61,990 new!
A couple pictures of the Volkswagen Touareg 3,0L V6 TDI Altitude, as tested yesterday.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by smallmoney: 10:37am On Apr 16, 2011|
@Siena you must pay an arm and a leg for insurance with your love for Humongous Engines
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 3:52pm On Apr 16, 2011|
^^^Yes, I do like big engines, love the power delivery, and beefy torque.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by alfchye(m): 3:58pm On Apr 16, 2011|
person go die oooo
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by eros(m): 4:33pm On Apr 16, 2011|
I am so loving the 2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50. What a beautiful monster on wheels.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 8:13pm On Apr 16, 2011|
^^^ Yes, it's a lovely car. The Service Manager of Wolsey Volkswagen runs a 2008 BMW X5 3,0d, looked really nice with it's optional 20" wheels. But, I feel it pales into insignificance beside the R50.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 8:48pm On Apr 16, 2011|
Quite an illusion, though. The wheels on the car I tested are 19". Yet, due to the size of the wheel arches, they look like 16" wheels on a large family sedan. I can now see why people upgrade to 22" wheels, to make the wheel arches look less"hungry".
The Volkswagen Touareg R50 comes with 21" wheels as standard, and even they look small.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 11:00am On Apr 18, 2011|
I'll put up some engine images, give folk an idea of what their mechanics will need to get to grips with!
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 11:34am On Apr 18, 2011|
BMW X5 3,0L I6 engine:
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 11:35am On Apr 18, 2011|
Volkswagen Touareg 5,0L V10 TDI engine:
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by ibadan1(m): 5:47pm On Apr 18, 2011|
I drive a 10 year old BMW 330i as my every day car and I can say from experience no other manufacturer makes a 6 cylinder that performs and sounds as satisfying as BMW, and I have at one time or another driven them all. It is an awesome engine; I will not argue about other aspects of the car, beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. But men that engine even after 10 yrs puts a smile on my face every time I stomp it
I understand the old X5’s have GM transmissions which would be the weakness in the whole setup, but not sure if the GM transmission was retained in the new one.
Also with the present economic climate one cannot discount the price of petrol, I have test driven the new X5 4.0d sport. Performance betters the petrol and it returns 38mpg (manufactures claimed numbers). And lastly it actually sounds like a V8, if this is too rich for your blood, then the 3.0d sport has the 3 litre diesel with twin turbos and also returns 38mpg. Also resale value on the Touregs are not very resilient
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 6:14pm On Apr 18, 2011|
Ibadan, thanks for your input.
As per the BMW I6, there's no disputing its smoothness, I said as much in my opening post on the BMW X5. I still remember my 1989 BMW 325i M-Tech Sport, a brilliant car, in terms of handling, despite its age. I couldn't fault it.
However, my gripe with the X5 has always been the transmission. The current version still uses the GM-sourced transfer case, which is a shame, as the rest of the X5, including its near bullet-proof engine are great.
With regards to engines, both have the option of petrol and diesel, so no major issues there. I haven't driven the X5 4,0L V8 diesel, but I can imagine the sheer grunt, and pulling power a petrol engine of similar size can't match.
Resale value is a good point. Though it all depends on why one buys a car in the first place. The resale value is a practical aspect, one of many. Engine size is also a consideration when it comes to practicality, which means a 1,6L petrol engine will be cheap to run, and perhaps easier to sell than the same car with a 2,2L unit. However, we tend to buy based on other aspects too, at least I do. If I was thinking resale value when buying a car, there are several that would fit the bill, but I may not like, I might even hate! Which is why I buy based on appeal, performance and the overall driving experience.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by labamba(m): 6:35pm On Apr 18, 2011|
Hi Mr Sienna,
Just bought a MB ML350 2007.
Can you give me details of necessary info to take note of , pros and cons , maintenance and servicing notes etc ,
I would appreciate if a mail could be sent to my mail box , firstname.lastname@example.org
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 7:00pm On Apr 18, 2011|
No worries bro, will shoot you an email shortly.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by ibadan1(m): 8:22pm On Apr 18, 2011|
All the best within your purchase Just think with oil prices going the way they are, 30mpg for an everyday car is a minimum, currently looking to upgrade to a 530d 07 that sucker does 45 mpg and the grunt oh boy, so you can have your cake and eat it. Also partial to the CLS but don't think its practical enough as will only carry 4, plus the fact that I'm a BMW man at heart.
In reference to the perception of BMW drivers the Guru Mr Jeremy Clarkson says because of this perception all former BMW drivers are now buying Audis so the Audi is taking up said perception. saw a Q7 V12 diesel the other day didn't know they made one it was a thing to behold and I cannot begin to imagine, the power of the thing if the R50 can tow a 747, this must be able to tow an A380.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 8:40pm On Apr 18, 2011|
Ibadan, the Audi Q7 is still my all-time favourite SUV, especially with the 6,0L V12 TDI motor, which at 500 PS (368 kW; 493 hp)@3750, 1,000 N·m (738 lb·ft)@1750-3250 remains the worlds most powerful diesel engine, and the only twelve cylinder diesel engine used in a passenger car. 0-60 mph (100 km/h) takes just 5,5 secs!
Cost is the only drawback for me right now, but in a couple of years time, I'll have one.
The BMW 530d is an absolute beast, you'll love it. The Volkswagen Touareg 3,0L V6 TDI Hybrid is also available for the fuel-economy conscious.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by blink182(m): 4:09pm On Apr 19, 2011|
Siena:Seems you have a bias for
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by Siena(m): 5:12pm On Apr 19, 2011|
I'm not a Japmobile fan, not my thing. As for Mercedes-Benz, they're great cars. Just that the ones I like are few and far between. In terms of build quality, that went south when production moved Stateside.
|Re: 2010 Volkswagen Touareg Vs 2010 BMW X5. by labamba(m): 6:25pm On Apr 19, 2011|
Hello Mr Sienna ,
Still awaiting your mail.
meanwhile, i'm a MB freak.
You have preference for Audi and BMW.
Of a truth , they have some products that supercede the M(Q7 is too big and less off-road).
Beema would only have me look at the X5 and M3 coupe.
The X6 is a large sports car , the X3 is a small ,large sports car ,
the Q7 like i said is more on-road than off-road. extremely too large.
Compare with MB CLS and the C class ,
compare also the G wagon which to me is the sweetest off-road /on-road car presently.
Touareg , X5 all can be compared with the ML and trully , if u want to really feel the MB ML , go for the AMG version
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