Moblux:
Anyone with credible response? Kindly help on the above questions

Christistruth00:



Oranmiyan was the founder of a Oyo and the first Alaafin

Moblux:
I am creating the thread to discuss Pre Oduduwa history.

1. Does anyone has a list of 97 Olufes that reigned before Obatala the 98th Olufe who was Oduduwa's predecessor?

2. Can someone explain more about Orile Oko where Ajaka and Sango were born and the possible location?

3. Does anyone has a list of Oloyos before Oranmiyan became their king?

4. What is the veracity of Oduduwa's war expedition to Egypt, Sudan, and Yemen where he was purportedly conferred the title "Adimula" (corrupted version of Admiral) ?

5. What are the original 16 Oriki Orile?

6. What is the place of Orile Oba (now Oba Ile close to Akure) in Pre Oduduwa history?

7. What is the connection between the Ashantis in Ghana and Pre-Oduduwa's Ile Ife?

8. Is there a connection between Oba and Oko in the southeast of Nigeria with Oba and Oko of pre-Oduduwa's history?

9. Did Herodotus write about Ife as the Atlantis in his book written in about 500 BC?

10. Was the Ejigbomekun market in Ile Ife the largest market in the sub-Saharan region circa the Oduduwa period?

I have other questions but I wish to stop here for now. I really want to learn

cc:
Obalufon
Olu317

Olu317:
The original ileife history is quite different from what many writers wrote about which support the fact that odua ancestors were also involved in the affairs of the Elus.

The account of previous rulers had nothing to do with odua era because there were seven Elus and six ifẹs when Odua was chosen to be a unified king even with the challenge therein. He eventually becamethefirst unifying Oni(owner)ifẹ.

These seven Elus and six ifẹs were the settlement which became unified under a supreme overlord known as odua from Eri Ogun(human), the owner of Arẹ crown. This is the reason Oni wears Arẹ crown once a year to venerate Ogún, the irùnmọlẹ̀ on the day, light appear to light the world through his path.

This man was part of Odua ancestors whose name is among the oldest name in the ancient settlement in Ileife whose son, odua eventually became the crowned the king of all kings.

It is to be stated here that Obaluru is over all king of all Oramfe descendants wherever they are in the world,even Obamakin descendants such as Olugbo must honour Obaluru as their supreme king.

Here below were the settlement during the era of odua:
IFE MEFA...were:
1. Obalufe.
2. Obajio.
3. Obaloran.
4. Obadio
5. Lokore.
6. Apata.

B. ELU MEJE..were:
1. Obaluru.
2. Obalesun
3. Ompetu.
4. Obawara.
5. Obalaaye.
6. Obalejugbe.
7. Fegun

Courtesy: Ootu land

Cheers

Moblux:


Yes you are right. Oranmiyan was the first Alaafin before Ajaka Oko (his son, then Sango). However, there are evidences that there were aborigines Oranmiyan met at Eyo now Oyo. Eyo was said to be a somewhat cosmopolitan community being a nodal for traders from different empires transiting to-fro Ejigbomekun market. The Orile Owu, Orile Oko, Imoka and Enupe (Nupe) are close neighbours to the Eyos (Oyo). They originally constituted the council of chiefs later known as Oyomesi. I gathered that the linage of Bashorun ( akin to Senate President who could impeach the Alaafiin as in the case of brutish Bashorun Gaa) is of Eyo stock

christistruth01:



Please did you get the information from a book and which ones


Basorun Gaa from. his Oriki was of Bariba Descent

So was Soun Ogbomosho

Olu317:
What is Oriki that posits him as Ibariba ? Shed more light on it.

christistruth01:


I read it in an old History book that Bashorun GA's Great Grandfather was Bariba and that his Oriki mentioned it

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Olu317:
Okay,I got your point but Gahà was not an ibariba man. Ibariba do not speak Yoruba language talkless of becoming Báṣọ̀rún.

The title of Báṣọ̀rún itself is a very high positon in Yoruba land. Infact, the position anciently is second in command to kings in Yoruba land,despite the fact that such personality cannot be king due to strict royalty bloodline to thrones in ancient times.

Plainly there are misinformation here and there on Yoruba history due to some erroneously egocentrism from some quarters. Anyway,Yoruba history is not hidden even if some people try to mislead the public.

Christistruth00:



Basorun is Prime Minister

Olu317:
Smiles! Prime minister is what position to a king? Iknow you are comme il faut my dear brother,so there is no need to footdrag it. Ọ̀ṣọ̀rún is the position that became known as báṣọ̀rùn.

Moblux:
None of the questions I raised has been responded to.

Olu317:
Let others who know answer some of the questions.

Was there any Ọlọ́yọ́ before Ọ̀rànmìyàn ?
No, there were none to be precise. However, empe (Nupe) were not too far from the earliest settlement to the place where Ọ̀rànmìyàn settled down.

History has it that Ọ̀rànmìyàn was said to be on vengeance to a people who fought against his ancestors through to Mali region but he , and his older cousin Olówu as that period and warriors princes abandoned the movement which led to his establishment of Ẹyọ.

Thereafter, the Empe people and their overlord decided to fight against these Yoruba elements where he Ọ̀rànmìyan and his co princes as earlier mentioned defeated the Empe people ,where there was a pact signed between the Yoruba and the Empe.

This led to the birth of Itiolú known as Ṣàngó through the daughter of king of Empe.
Ṣàngó was an adopted Alias by Itiólú who reigned after Dada AJaka(Ajàsa).

Dada Ajàsa(Ajàka) was the first crown king after Ọ̀rànmìyàn went back to Iléifẹ. Ọlọ́yọ́ Dada was able to trap the thunderstorms power used by Itiólú. Unfortuntely he was not loved because he preferred diplomatic solution to problem than warring. A peace loving King which he pursued till death at a ripe old age as a king who ruled twice.


During his first rule,he was abducted by Owu warriors but was later released and commanded to pay tributary to Owu. This was the reason he was called a weakling and was told to vacate the seat of authority which he did without much challenges, which ushered in Itiólú alias Ṣàngó.

Oghighirhighi:
Afonjas will flood here with super stories they call history. Let me help them with one. The afonjas were the first to land in the moon, and that person who performed this feat was Oduduwa. He landed in Ile Ife with his bamboo-made spacecraft.

Olu317:
The original ileife history is quite different from what many writers wrote about which support the fact that odua ancestors were also involved in the affairs of the Elus.

The account of previous rulers had nothing to do with odua era because there were seven Elus and six ifẹs when Odua was chosen to be a unified king even with the challenge therein. He eventually becamethefirst unifying Oni(owner)ifẹ.

These seven Elus and six ifẹs were the settlement which became unified under a supreme overlord known as odua from Eri Ogun(human), the owner of Arẹ crown. This is the reason Oni wears Arẹ crown once a year to venerate Ogún, the irùnmọlẹ̀ on the day, light appear to light the world through his path.

This man was part of Odua ancestors whose name is among the oldest name in the ancient settlement in Ileife whose son, odua eventually became the crowned the king of all kings.

It is to be stated here that Obaluru is over all king of all Oramfe descendants wherever they are in the world,even Obamakin descendants such as Olugbo must honour Obaluru as their supreme king.

Here below were the settlement during the era of odua:
IFE MEFA...were:
1. Obalufe.
2. Obajio.
3. Obaloran.
4. Obadio
5. Lokore.
6. Apata.

B. ELU MEJE..were:
1. Obaluru.
2. Obalesun
3. Ompetu.
4. Obawara.
5. Obalaaye.
6. Obalejugbe.
7. Fegun

Courtesy: Ootu land

Cheers

Olu317:
Okay,I got your point but Gahà was not an ibariba man. Ibariba do not speak Yoruba language talkless of becoming Báṣọ̀rún.

The title of Báṣọ̀rún itself is a very high positon in Yoruba land. Infact, the position anciently is second in command to kings in Yoruba land,despite the fact that such personality cannot be king due to strict royalty bloodline to thrones in ancient times.

Plainly there are misinformation here and there on Yoruba history due to some erroneously egocentrism from some quarters. Anyway,Yoruba history is not hidden even if some people try to mislead the public.

Olu317:
Let others who know answer some of the questions.

Was there any Ọlọ́yọ́ before Ọ̀rànmìyàn ?
No, there were none to be precise. However, empe (Nupe) were not too far from the earliest settlement to the place where Ọ̀rànmìyàn settled down.

History has it that Ọ̀rànmìyàn was said to be on vengeance to a people who fought against his ancestors through to Mali region but he , and his older cousin Olówu as that period and warriors princes abandoned the movement which led to his establishment of Ẹyọ.

Thereafter, the Empe people and their overlord decided to fight against these Yoruba elements where he Ọ̀rànmìyan and his co princes as earlier mentioned defeated the Empe people ,where there was a pact signed between the Yoruba and the Empe.

This led to the birth of Itiolú known as Ṣàngó through the daughter of king of Empe.
Ṣàngó was an adopted Alias by Itiólú who reigned after Dada AJaka(Ajàsa).

Dada Ajàsa(Ajàka) was the first crown king after Ọ̀rànmìyàn went back to Iléifẹ. Ọlọ́yọ́ Dada was able to trap the thunderstorms power used by Itiólú. Unfortuntely he was not loved because he preferred diplomatic solution to problem than warring. A peace loving King which he pursued till death at a ripe old age as a king who ruled twice.


During his first rule,he was abducted by Owu warriors but was later released and commanded to pay tributary to Owu. This was the reason he was called a weakling and was told to vacate the seat of authority which he did without much challenges, which ushered in Itiólú alias Ṣàngó.

Olu317:
Okay,I got your point but Gahà was not an ibariba man. Ibariba do not speak Yoruba language talkless of becoming Báṣọ̀rún.

RedboneSmith:


Nigerians seem to be very uncomfortable with acknowledging that their ethnic group received input from their neighbours. But admit it or not, it is a fact that many Bashorun were of non-Yoruba origin. I'm not the one saying; acclaimed Yoruba scholars have written the same thing. Gaa, Magaji, Woruda, Biri, Jambu, Yamba, etc - these men were Bashorun of Old Oyo whose names suggest were not of Yoruba origin.

AlphaTaikun:

Thanks for the deep insights on
Sango's maternal Nupe (Tapa) origins which must be from
Northern Kwara.

AlphaTaikun:

The infamous U.S.-based Farooq Kperogi is of Bariba ethnicity.

His home town is Okuta and there is an Ilesa in the Bariba-speaking part of Kwara.

Parts of Bariba were conquered and incorporated into the Oyo Empire, so some of them would have learned to speak some Yoruba.

Olu317:
Yes, Farooq is linked to Ibariba but not Ibariba are linked to Yorùbas. The same way Yorùbas have genetically link with white and Africans does not mean all white ordarkskins are Yorubas.

The Yorùbas you find in Ibariba were of different eras. There was a time when Elempe-Tapa-Nupe attack old Ọyọ́ and the Ọlọ́yọ́ of that era moved for safety with his people which led to dispersion. So finding Yorùbas within Ibariba enclave is the same as finding Yorùbas of Olukumi among Ìgbò speaking people in Aniocha environment.

Living in Ibariba land is no big deal. Infact, in around early 1800s Ojo Aburumaku , a descendants of Gaa went to Ilọ́rin to capture Afọnjà but he could not captured him because he was betrayed by the cowarriors who did not support the present Ọlọ́yọ́ at that time whose predecessor sent Afọnjà to attack a community under Iléifẹ which Afọnjà which was wrong and led to the fall of Ọyọ́ land.

After Ojo Aburumàkú saw this betrayal, he relocated to Ibariba land and lived there till he passed on. Beside, many Yorùbas moved to Ibariba land also apart from war because of the cordial relationship Yorùbas had with Ibariba people even intermarriages is known among them.

Many of these people claiming Ọyọ́ in Ibaribas are mostly, Alara descendants Aresa's, Ikoyi's,Igbọ̀n's Oje's etc. So, there is no doubt about Yorùbas in different places inclusive Ibariba.

Moblux:


Oko and Oba in Anambra are of pre Odùduwà Yorùbá origin...though further research still ongoing. There people of Yorùba origin in Sudan through the trade between Sudan and Ejigbomekun market in Ile Ife.

Moblux:


Oko and Oba in Anambra are of pre Odùduwà Yorùbá origin...though further research still ongoing. There people of Yorùba origin in Sudan through the trade between Sudan and Ejigbomekun market in Ile Ife.

Olu317:
Oba, Oko,Oru, Oshimili , Ika etc do not have historical relationship with Yorubas same names settlement.

Ifaodu corpus talks about Yorubas version which are not same , even Afa of the Igbos of Eastern region's version is not same. Kolanut divination may be, three lobes, four lobes, eight lobes among Yorubas still remain different when doing the lotcast or divination.

Ika is also an Odu in ifa corpus which is among the first set of 16 odus that came to earth when Orunmila ascended to heaven in Yoruba cosmology. There is historical account to the reason of how the first became the last and the last became the last among the 16 odu.

So, positing that some places are Older than Yoruba settlement is a bit controversial as far as some information is concerned but one cannot take away some views if well verified.

RedboneSmith:


Any sort of evidence for this claim that Oko and Ọ̀bà in Anambra are of Yoruba origin? The slightest bit of evidence other than name similarity would suffice.

Also, what does Ọ̀bà mean in Yoruba?

Moblux:


We are talking about the pre Odùduwà Yorubas history here. Like I said, research is on going...Ghost DNA could be of great help...this is not claiming any ethnic superiority...After all there is a fairly big town in Yoruba land that is of Delta origin and they proudly call themselves Yorubas

Moblux:
... After all there is a fairly big town in Yoruba land that is of Delta origin and they proudly call themselves Yorubas