We hear every day that the sin of Adam brought sin to all men, which we call adams sin or Adams nature, which covers every human born on earth, so the question is babies that were born on on earth and died maybe few day, few week, few months after their birth where will they go, heaven or hell. Discuss

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Kingmena:
We hear every day that the sin of Adam brought sin to all men, which we call adams sin or Adams nature, which covers every human born on earth, so the question is babies that were born on on earth and died maybe few day, few week, few months after their birth where will they go, heaven or hell. Discuss

But where is heaven and where is hell?

Amotolongbo:
But where is heaven and where is hell?

That's not the bone of contention here

Kingmena:
1. We hear every day that the sin of Adam brought sin to all men, which we call adams sin or Adams nature, which covers every human born on earth,

2. so the question is babies that were born on on earth and died maybe few day, few week, few months after their birth where will they go, heaven or hell. Discuss

1. The sin of Adam and Eve, brought God's curse on all men - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 - by which they are all condemned to die/perish in the grave - returned to dust from which they were created.

2. They do not end up in either Heaven or Hell. Instead, they perish in their grave - from dust they were made and to dust they return.

Kingmena:
We hear every day that the sin of Adam brought sin to all men, which we call adams sin or Adams nature, which covers every human born on earth, so the question is babies that were born on on earth and died maybe few day, few week, few months after their birth where will they go, heaven or hell. Discuss

Where they came from, before being born.

They don't have conscience yet, so they'd go back to heaven in my opinion....

There is no heaven. There is no hell. Once you understand this, your question becomes moot.

I'm only interested in Mars and Moon.

Lamanii22:
They don't have conscience yet, so they'd go back to heaven in my opinion....

That is it, you got that right

Matt.18.3 - Then he said, "I assure you, unless you turn from your sins and become as little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Op, does the above scripture answer your question?

Those Babies did not offend anyone, heaven is their portion

Great2017:
Matt.18.3 - Then he said, "I assure you, unless you turn from your sins and become as little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Op, does the above scripture answer your question?

That scripture is meant for those who are born-again- only they have access to the Kingdom of God to begin with - and not for babies and unbelievers - John 3 vs 1 - 8

Afamsi:
Those Babies did not offend anyone, heaven is their portion

Heaven is a portion only for those who are born-again and last I checked, babies aren't by birth- John 3 vs 1 - 8

Kingmena:

That is it, you got that right

What has a conscience to do with Heaven though?,

Adam polluted humanity with sin, Christ paid the price and cleanse humanity with his blood. It is sin that take people to hell. Little children are righteous before God because they dont have any sin in them

Theworldisvanity:
Adam brought polluted humanity with sin, Christ paid the price and cleanse humanity with his blood. It is sin that take people to hell. Little children are righteous before God because they dont have any sin in them

The statement in bold is untrue.

Adam's sin brought God's curse and judgement against all of His offspring- mankind. Jesus Christ came to save individuals who would chose to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments from God's curse and judgement.

Salvation, as offered by Jesus Christ, does not cover all of mankind, but only those individuals who will chose Him, those who are born-again - only they can get a chance at Salvation from God's judgment and curse. And it is only those who are saved, that qualify for Heaven.

Babies aren't born-again hence they can't be saved from God's curse and judgement - John 3 vs 1 - 8. And no, children are not born righteous from birth - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - and so Heaven does not automagically apply for then either.

Kobojunkie:
That scripture is meant for those who are born-again- only they have access to the Kingdom of God to begin with - and not for babies and unbelievers - John 3 vs 1 - 8

Is that what the Holy Spirit has taught you about this very scripture?

Anyway, the emphasis here is on little children and the kingdom of heaven.

Great2017:

Is that what the Holy Spirit has taught you about this very scripture?

Anyway, the emphasis here is on little children and the kingdom of heaven.

Try to stay focused... there in John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ clearly tells you that that only birth you get from your mothers womb is a physical birth but that in order to gain access to Heaven, you have to to born from water and from spirit - born-again.

Again, babies experience a physical birth from their mothers womb -not born-again- meaning they don't have access to the Kingdom of God, let alone Heaven -a domain within God's Kingdom.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is untrue.

Adam's sin brought God's curse and judgement against all of His offspring- mankind. Jesus Christ came to save individuals who would chose to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments from God's curse and judgement.

Salvation, as offered by Jesus Christ, does not cover all of mankind, but only those individuals who will chose Him, those who are born-again - only they can get a chance at Salvation from God's judgment and curse. And it is only those who are saved, that qualify for Heaven.

Babies aren't born-again hence they can't be saved from God's curse and judgement - John 3 vs 1 - 8. And no, children are not born righteous from birth - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - and so Heaven does not automagically apply for then either.

The sacrifice on the cross is for everyone except those who rejected him. Babies did not reject him...

Kobojunkie:
Try to stay focused... there in John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ clearly tells you that that only birth you get from your mothers womb is a physical birth but that in order to gain access to Heaven, you have to to born from water and from spirit - born-again.

Again, babies experience a physical birth from their mothers womb -not born-again- meaning they don't have access to the Kingdom of God, let alone Heaven -a domain within God's Kingdom.

You are the one that is not focused here.

Matt 18 : 3 used " as little children" and not " like little children".

By this, the emphasis is on the attribute of little children and the kingdom of God.

You claimed that Matt 18: 3 is only talking about the Born Again. I am asking again, is that what the Holy Spirit, the great teacher, has taught you about Matt 18:3 ?

Your response should either be yes or no.

Theworldisvanity:
The sacrifice on the cross is for everyone except those who rejected him. Babies did not reject him...

Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ telling you that everyone, except those who reject Him, are saved by Him?

In John 3 vs 16 - 21 for instance, you are told by Jesus Christ, that only those who accept(active voice) Him will be saved from the condemnation of Sin, Death. So how can you instead conclude that everyone is saved except those who reject(active voice) Him?

Since a baby has no way of meeting Jesus Christ's requirement as stipulated in John 3 vs 16 - 21, there's no salvation for them from Death - dust to dust - this according to what Jesus Christ said..

Kobojunkie:
Try to stay focused... there in John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ clearly tells you that that only birth you get from your mothers womb is a physical birth but that in order to gain access to Heaven, you have to to born from water and from spirit - born-again.

Again, babies experience a physical birth from their mothers womb -not born-again- meaning they don't have access to the Kingdom of God, let alone Heaven -a domain within God's Kingdom.

At the time of this statement Jesus has not yet died for mankind

Theworldisvanity:
At the time of this statement Jesus has not yet died for mankind

So? Did His death somehow render invalid, and hence untrue, His teachings and commandments , the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God given to us by Him?,

Great2017:
You are the one that is not focused here.

Matt 18 : 3 used " as little children" and not " like little children".

By this, the emphasis is on the attribute of little children and the kingdom of God.

You claimed that Matt 18: 3 is only talking about the Born Again. I am asking again, is that what the Holy Spirit, the great teacher, has taught you about Matt 18:3 ?

Your response should either be yes or no.

Jesus Christ's teachings are not be considered in isolation under no circumstance this primarily because God's Law is an All-Or-Nothing-At-All Law.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ's teachings are not be considered in isolation under no circumstance this primarily because God's Law is an All-Or-Nothing-At-All Law.

Why are you running away from the question I asked?

Is it that your response concerning Matt. 18 : 3 was self informed and as such, you are scared of lying against the Holy Spirit?

So, the Holy Spirit did not in any way teach you all you said about Matt. 18 : 3.

I therefore rest my case.

Kobojunkie:
What has a conscience to do with Heaven though?,

Bible said the soul that sineth shall die which means go to hell, little babies have no sin so they can't go to hell. Because that principle can't work on them

Kingmena:

Bible said the soul that sineth shall die which means go to hell, little babies have no sin so they can't go to hell. Because that principle can't work on them

God's declarations in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 and Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 that soul that sinneth must die is in reference to death as decreed in the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and Death as defined in Genesis 3 vs 19-22. .

God's promise of Heaven(eternal reward) and Hell(eternal damnation) came in to being with the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ. There was no promise of Heaven or Hell to those of the Old Covenant.

God cursed all living souls beginning in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 to perish in grave, so babies by default are bound to that ruling at birth.

Kobojunkie:
God's declarations in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 and Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 that soul that sinneth must die is in reference to death as decreed in the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and Death as defined in Genesis 3 vs 19-22. .

God's promise of Heaven(eternal reward) and Hell(eternal damnation) came in to being with the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ. There was no promise of Heaven or Hell to those of the Old Covenant.

God cursed all living souls beginning in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 to perish in grave, so babies by default are bound to that ruling at birth.

Read romance 5:18-19, you will see that babies are nolonger covered by Adams sin by the result of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross and since they don't have consience yet to do right or wrong they are free from sin

Great2017:


You are the one that is not focused here.

Matt 18 : 3 used " as little children" and not " like little children".

By this, the emphasis is on the attribute of little children and the kingdom of God.

You claimed that Matt 18: 3 is only talking about the Born Again. I am asking again, is that what the Holy Spirit, the great teacher, has taught you about Matt 18:3 ?

Your response should either be yes or no.

Thank you. Nice response.

Technically, no one was ever born again until Jesus resurrected and the disciples started preaching salvation through his name.

So all of the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and even the early chapters in Acts of the Apostles are historical before the crucifixion of Jesus.

If Jesus taught something in Matthew, we can’t retract it to being born again teaching if we technically understand the true meaning of being born again.

Kingmena:
We hear every day that the sin of Adam brought sin to all men, which we call adams sin or Adams nature, which covers every human born on earth, so the question is babies that were born on on earth and died maybe few day, few week, few months after their birth where will they go, heaven or hell. Discuss

“All who have sinned without the Law will also perish without [regard to] the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged and condemned by the Law.

For it is not merely hearing the Law [read] that makes one righteous before God, but it is the doers of the Law who will be held guiltless and acquitted and justified.

When Gentiles who have not the [divine] Law do instinctively what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, since they do not have the Law.

They show that the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts and are operating there, with which their consciences (sense of right and wrong) also bear witness; and their [moral] decisions (their arguments of reason, their condemning or approving thoughts) will accuse or perhaps defend and excuse [them]

On that day when, as my Gospel proclaims, God by Jesus Christ will judge men in regard to the things which they conceal (their hidden thoughts). [Eccl. 12:14.]”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Kobojunkie:
God's declarations in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 and Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 that soul that sinneth must die is in reference to death as decreed in the Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and Death as defined in Genesis 3 vs 19-22. .

God's promise of Heaven(eternal reward) and Hell(eternal damnation) came in to being with the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ. There was no promise of Heaven or Hell to those of the Old Covenant.

God cursed all living souls beginning in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 to perish in grave, so babies by default are bound to that ruling at birth.

Read romance 5:18-19, you will see that babies are nolonger covered by Adams sin by the result of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross and since they don't have consience yet to do right or wrong they are free from sin.