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Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jul 27, 2011
maclatunji:

The man is right, people are just printing paper (money) and expecting it to have real value. The gold standard makes a lot of sense. From what I have noticed, global power and economic structure changes at roughly 10-year intervals. The political and economic dynamics of the world will be very different from the last century.

its not just paper as you may think.

Paper-money are actually promissory notes or agreements of credit.
Nations stake their words and reputation to honour trade agreements through currencies.
The more notes in circulation the more debts governments have, the more likely a default on the agreement thus a reduction in the
confidence of such notes. Within national boundaries, such a situation is termed excess liquidity (liquid as in water, as in the phrase- deep in debt) and
would eventually lead to inflation.
By pegging currencies against a single reference currency (rather than a geological metal), nations are able to make real comparisons.
Would you make a comparison between Fela's music and Britney Spear's? I don't think so.
The U.S. dollar was chosen because after the WWII it remained the strongest and least affected by the conflict. Europe was in financial turmoil with very low productivity.
Yes the dollar is at its knees and the U.S. economy is in a deep recession but the U.S. polity, economics and society still remain the most stable in our world today.
The question you would ask now is why then is gold at a all time high? The answer to that is first by asking who and what is fueling the rise in Gold values(and not necessarily its demand). The affluent and the rich are trying desperately to keep their cosy way of life safe by diversifying into gold holdings and the speculators are having a field day over their paranoia.
Gold is actually useless and appeals to vanity. Investing in currencies translates to investing in economies and polities and eventually people.
That's the bottom line.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by Nobody: 11:26pm On Jul 27, 2011
Switching to gold is primevial and archiac and only a neanderthal like Buhari will opt for it.
Gold was a universal currency in the days of old where neighbouring nations were at constant conflict and cross-cultural trade was non-existing. This was way before there was anything like a global economy. To opt for gold is to opt for isolation in a fast shrinking world.
The Romans were great not neccesarily in military conquest but through the implimentation of a common-wealth trade bloc through their vast empire.Coins were minted, roads were built, international trade prospered for the first time and the first true dominant world-power emerged not just from the battle field but through cultural integration.
Asking for Gold now is like adopting archiac sharia law in our present day world. It is retro-gressive and down right stupid.
Maybe when WWIII kicks off and anarchy reigns through the collapse of global institutions and harmony, trolls like BH can trade in their shiny-metals.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by darne(m): 11:39pm On Jul 27, 2011
Well i always knew this man isnt just a military man,, But Someone Who Knows What He`s Doing and Someone Who has a Very Good Plan For The Future Of This Country,, But I Dont Know Why They Wont Let Him Get There !!!!!! angry angry
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by executinal(m): 12:03am On Jul 28, 2011
Ileya:

Actually, Seun, this would be a most excellent idea. The only problem is that this would place Nigeria firmly   and permanently on the Terrorist List. Backing ones currency with the yellow metal is generally frowned upon by the IMF/World back etc. It is an action that would place us in the[b] Axis of Evil[/b]. Besides, it is presently (LEGALLY) impossible for Nigeria to back the Naira with Gold for one reason alone - we have outstanding commitments with the aforementioned, usual suspects, IMF/World Bank. Several things happen when a country borrows money from the IMF/World Bank, I will not go into all of them but will mention the critical ones:-


1. Your Banking system cannot practice Fractional Reserve Lending
2. You cannot back your currency with gold - (As part of the Gold Swaps agreement, the Gold from the Central Bank will be   physically moved to London/New York, but more importantly, it most still remain on the books of the Central Bank as though the Gold is still in Abuja, for Auditing purposes)
3. The country must implement suggested austerity measures from the IMF/World Bank

Any country that is without outstanding liabilities to the gnomes in Zurich/London/New York is effectively a free, sovereign country.  This cannot be encourged. You see, the[b] Debtor is Slave to the Lender[/b]. Have you ever asked yourself, why do we have external reserves of US$ 50bn,but still go to these people with cap-in-hand, begging for a facility of 10 million? Does not make sense. Now you know why. The country must be kept in perpetual debt.

All these rules and regulations are buried in the annals of the IMF/World Bank.

We have basically been sold down the river by our 'leaders', if we can call them that.

If Buhari (and other Northern folks) are serious about this, then it might explain the Boko Haram incidents and hence, we should expect more of the same. Gold-backed currency is trully Axis of Evil stuff.


Enough said.




GBAM
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by success4(m): 12:27am On Jul 28, 2011
stagger:

Let us have an intellectual discussion on this subject starting now. I have already pointed out that a gold standard cannot work for an import oriented economy, because you need to sell in order to even get the gold to hold as reserves to support your currency.

Go and read the mercantilist scholarly articles written in the 18th century and you will see how even in those early days, the Europeans knew that in order to dominate the Third World, they had to turn us into import driven nations.

Let us hear your own argument on this matter.

Tell us why you would support a gold standard. Over to you.

Oh ok! Though I am not good at argument, I will try to point out few fact.
The first thing I will like to point your attention to is that fact that IMPORTATION form part of leakages under that national income analysis.
So if GOLD standard can easily deal with importation that has caused us more harm, so be it.

Y=C+I+G+X-M
where C= a+byd
byd=y-t
I want to believe that, you are very familiar with above equation, if backing currency with USD could not solve this foes of our nation
I feel GOLD could be of help there.

Gold standard provides simple and direct way of solving in-balance in international trade which is by depleting gold reserve and reducing money supply.
This of course will result in fall in money demand and thus give a deadly blow to import but give room to export which is injection to any nation.

However, BUHARI point of view is INFLATION, so my friend, kindly enlighten us on how present regime has dealt with inflation. Waiting for you sir!
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by texazzpete(m): 7:26am On Jul 28, 2011
collins Jn:

“For the Islamic economy and for
the world, only a return to the
gold standard will ensure long
term price stability (zero
inflation) , help governments
curtail budget deficits and end
fiscal indiscipline,” he said.
“For the Islamic economy and for
the world, only a return to the
gold standard will ensure long
term price stability (zero
inflation) , help governments
curtail budget deficits and end
fiscal indiscipline,” he said.

Diz Man Self,MUST He Say Any Tin witout Islamic diz Islamic day ? Hiss,Am Out Of Here


He was addressing a conference themed on Islamic Banking and Finance. What did you expect him to be talking about, Pokemon? Hello Kitty?
Too many dense people on Nairaland.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by eunisam: 7:29am On Jul 28, 2011
Can anything good come from Buhari??

Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by kings33(m): 8:19am On Jul 28, 2011
What does he mean by zero inflation? how will he manage deflation -- an enemy of investment-- in such situation.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by Ayoobscom(m): 8:31am On Jul 28, 2011
Somebody tell me just ONE thing an ordinary paper or an S with a strikethrough ($) can be of industrial use,

Dollar is an overrated paper for burdensome interest compoundment -profit artificialisation and commodity sabotage




Usefuliness of GOLD to mention but a few:

Gold is a precious metal that has a long and interesting history. Gold has set the standard throughout the ages as being the metal of choice for fine jewelry, elaborate decorations and a form of money. Most gold found today is in the form of different pieces of jewelry. However, gold can also be found in a variety of things.

Gold is used in dentistry because of its superior performance and aesthetic appeal. Gold alloys are used for fillings, crowns, and bridges. Gold is a perfect metal for use in dentistry because it is chemically inert, non-allergenic and easy for dentists to work with. Gold was used generously in dentistry up until the late 1970′s. Substitute materials were developed due to the soaring price of gold at that time. There is starting to be an increase in the use of gold today.

Gold is also used as a drug to treat a small number of medical conditions. Injections of weak solutions which contain aurothioglucose are sometimes used to treat rheumatoid arthritis. Particles of radioactive gold isotope are implanted in tissues to serve as a radiation source for treatment of some cancers. Radioactive gold is also used in diagnosing certain conditions.

You can find gold in many surgical instruments, electronic equipment and life support devices. The reason they use gold is because it is nonreactive in surgical instruments and is highly reliable for life saving devices used in hospitals.

Gold is used in hundreds of ways in every space vehicle that NASA launches. This is because gold is an extremely dependable material. Many parts of a space vehicle are fitted with gold coated polyester film, which reflects infrared radiation and helps control the temperature of the spacecraft. Gold is also used as a lubricant between mechanical parts.
Gold is also used in the production of glass. Gold is used when making specialty glass for climate controlled buildings and glass cases. The use of a small amount of gold which is dispersed in the glass or coated onto the glass surface will reflect solar radiation which helps the building stay cooler. This same type of gold coating is used on the helmet of an astronaut’s space suit. It reflects much of the very intense solar radiation and protects the astronaut’s eyes and skin.

Since gold has the highest malleability of any metal it can be beaten into thin sheets, which are known as gold leaf. This can then be applied over irregular surfaces such as picture frames, molding or furniture. Gold leaf can also be found on the exterior of buildings because it provides a durable and corrosion resistant covering. It is also very appealing to the eyes when it appears on domes of buildings such as religious or important structures.

Gold is a very durable and versatile metal that is found in many things. Gold jewelry and gold coins are just some of the things that are made of this precious metal. Gold has a long history and probably will still be around at the end of time. That is why it is important to recycle old and broken jewelry so we can save are natural resources for generations to come.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by maclatunji: 8:58am On Jul 28, 2011
Tobi_dad:

its not just paper as you may think.

Paper-money are actually promissory notes or agreements of credit.
Nations stake their words and reputation to honour trade agreements through currencies.
The more notes in circulation the more debts governments have, the more likely a default on the agreement thus a reduction in the
confidence of such notes. Within national boundaries, such a situation is termed excess liquidity (liquid as in water, as in the phrase- deep in debt) and
would eventually lead to inflation.
By pegging currencies against a single reference currency (rather than a geological metal), nations are able to make real comparisons.
Would you make a comparison between Fela's music and Britney Spear's? I don't think so.
The U.S. dollar was chosen because after the WWII it remained the strongest and least affected by the conflict. Europe was in financial turmoil with very low productivity.
Yes the dollar is at its knees and the U.S. economy is in a deep recession but the U.S. polity, economics and society still remain the most stable in our world today.
The question you would ask now is why then is gold at a all time high? The answer to that is first by asking who and what is fueling the rise in Gold values(and not necessarily its demand). The affluent and the rich are trying desperately to keep their cosy way of life safe by diversifying into gold holdings and the speculators are having a field day over their paranoia.
Gold is actually useless and appeals to vanity. Investing in currencies translates to investing in economies and polities and eventually people.
That's the bottom line.

All you have typed is what we were taught in school. Despite all of this knowledge, the global economy has been messed-up by the most brilliant professors in US Ivy league schools and their Oxbridge companions in the UK. Spare us all of that western rubbish that is giving us so many problems. It is time to go for gold.

Educate yourself here-
http://rexcurry.net/money.html
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by UpDates1(m): 9:11am On Jul 28, 2011
bokos
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by maclatunji: 9:15am On Jul 28, 2011
-UpDates-:

bokos

You are not very bright at all, are you? If this is all you can contribute to this discussion.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by logic101: 9:37am On Jul 28, 2011
Tobi_dad:

Switching to gold is primevial and archiac and only a neanderthal like Buhari will opt for it.
Gold was a universal currency in the days of old where neighbouring nations were at constant conflict and cross-cultural trade was non-existing. This was way before there was anything like a global economy. To opt for gold is to opt for isolation in a fast shrinking world.
The Romans were great not neccesarily in military conquest but through the implimentation of a common-wealth trade bloc through their vast empire.Coins were minted, roads were built, international trade prospered for the first time and the first true dominant world-power emerged not just from the battle field but through cultural integration.
Asking for Gold now is like adopting archiac sharia law in our present day world. It is retro-gressive and down right silly.
Maybe when WWIII kicks off and anarchy reigns through the collapse of global institutions and harmony, trolls like BH can trade in their shiny-metals.


I suggest you go and learn more about gold and why the us government remove gold as a reserve currency
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by aletheia(m): 10:31am On Jul 28, 2011
Tobi_dad:

its not just paper as you may think.

Paper-money are actually promissory notes or agreements of credit.
^
Actually as they are used currently. . .they are nothing but worthless paper depending on me and you accepting them to be of any use. The phrase "actually promissory notes or agreements of credit" refers to the earlier days when one could actually take those notes to the bank and ask them to give one the equivalent value in gold, thus these promissory notes were backed by something of actual value. What backs the US dollar? The modern economic system is a fraud and an illusion designed to rob countries of their sovereignty. Paper money is what makes hyperinflation possible because it has no intrinsic worth.

As a case study consider the hyperinflation that occurred in Weimar Germany. The groundwork for that occurred because "in order to pay the large costs of World War I, Germany suspended the convertibility of its currency into gold when that war broke out."
John Maynard Keynes described the situation in The Economic Consequences of the Peace: "The inflationism of the currency systems of Europe has proceeded to extraordinary lengths. The various belligerent Governments, unable, or too timid or too short-sighted to secure from loans or taxes the resources they required, have printed notes for the balance."
It is instructive to note that Germany was able to tackle this hyperinflation by measures such as: "In August 1923, Karl Helfferich proposed a plan to issue a new currency (roggenmark) backed by mortgage bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of rye grain. His plan was rejected because of the greatly fluctuating price of rye in paper Marks. The Agriculture Minister Hans Luther proposed a different plan which substituted gold for rye and a new currency, the Rentenmark, backed by bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of gold"

Question for you? Why is it that in times of economic turmoil, the price of gold and other precious metals rises? Because investors know that these represent a safe haven for them. They know something that you seem to be overlooking.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by aletheia(m): 12:59pm On Jul 28, 2011
Tobi_dad:

its not just paper as you may think.

Paper-money are actually promissory notes or agreements of credit.
^
Actually as they are used currently. . .they are nothing but worthless paper depending on me and you accepting them to be of any use. The phrase "actually promissory notes or agreements of credit" refers to the earlier days when one could actually take those notes to the bank and ask them to give one the equivalent value in gold, thus these promissory notes were backed by something of actual value. What backs the US dollar? The modern economic system is a fraud and an illusion designed to rob countries of their sovereignty. Paper money is what makes hyperinflation possible because it has no intrinsic worth.

As a case study consider the hyperinflation that occurred in Weimar Germany. The groundwork for that occurred because "in order to pay the large costs of World War I, Germany suspended the convertibility of its currency into gold when that war broke out."
John Maynard Keynes described the situation in The Economic Consequences of the Peace: "The inflationism of the currency systems of Europe has proceeded to extraordinary lengths. The various belligerent Governments, unable, or too timid or too short-sighted to secure from loans or taxes the resources they required, have printed notes for the balance."

It is instructive to note that Germany was able to tackle this hyperinflation by measures such as: "In August 1923, Karl Helfferich proposed a plan to issue a new currency (roggenmark) backed by mortgage bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of rye grain. His plan was rejected because of the greatly fluctuating price of rye in paper Marks. The Agriculture Minister Hans Luther proposed a different plan which substituted gold for rye and a new currency, the Rentenmark, backed by bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of gold"

Question for you? Why is it that in times of economic turmoil, the price of gold and other precious metals rises? Because investors know that these represent a safe haven for them. They know something that you seem to be overlooking. Paper money is intrinsically worthless
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by fxtopedia(m): 5:14pm On Jul 28, 2011
-UpDates-:

bokos

Dummy!
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by UpDates1(m): 5:49pm On Jul 28, 2011
una still dey here?
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by aletheia(m): 7:38pm On Jul 28, 2011
Tobi_dad:

its not just paper as you may think.

Paper-money are actually promissory notes or agreements of credit.
^
Actually as they are used currently. . .they are nothing but worthless paper depending on me and you accepting them to be of any use. The phrase "actually promissory notes or agreements of credit" refers to the earlier days when one could actually take those notes to the bank and ask them to give one the equivalent value in gold, thus these promissory notes were backed by something of actual value. What backs the US dollar? The modern economic system is a fraud and an illusion designed to rob countries of their sovereignty. Paper money is what makes hyperinflation possible because it has no intrinsic worth.

As a case study consider the hyperinflation that occurred in Weimar Germany. The groundwork for that occurred because "in order to pay the large costs of World War I, Germany suspended the convertibility of its currency into gold when that war broke out."
John Maynard Keynes described the situation in The Economic Consequences of the Peace: "The inflationism of the currency systems of Europe has proceeded to extraordinary lengths. The various belligerent Governments, unable, or too timid or too short-sighted to secure from loans or taxes the resources they required, have printed notes for the balance."
It is instructive to note that Germany was able to tackle this hyperinflation by measures such as: "In August 1923, Karl Helfferich proposed a plan to issue a new currency (roggenmark) backed by mortgage bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of rye grain. His plan was rejected because of the greatly fluctuating price of rye in paper Marks. The Agriculture Minister Hans Luther proposed a different plan which substituted gold for rye and a new currency, the Rentenmark, backed by bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of gold"

Question for you? Why is it that in times of economic turmoil, the price of gold and other precious metals rises? Because investors know that these represent a safe haven for them. They know something that you seem to be overlooking.
Re: Buhari Urges Return To Gold-Backed Currencies To End Inflation by joeyreports: 4:42pm On Aug 24, 2020
In all honesty, this will be over reaching for a country with our kind of economy...
https://www.nigeriabusinessplan.com.ng/major-problems-with-the-gold-standard-generally/

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