Kobojunkie:
1. First, the story is a parable and not meant to be literally interpreted. Second, the answer to why the rich man character in the story would end up in the Old Law Hell is found in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. Third, in consonance with scripture, Hell for those of Old condemned to die is perishing in the grave --- they cease to exist when they die - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. .

2. What evidence do you have that proves to you that you are in fact born-again in keeping with the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you have the evidence that Jesus Christ proclaimed all who are born-again will have in John 3 vs 1 - 21, or are you of the mind that the process is whole of mental assent?

it wasn't a normal parable. Normal parables Jesus didn't use names. But in this one he did because that actually happened. Abraham Lazarus and the rich man are real ppl

The rich man was a narcissist who trusted in himself because he thought his riches could save him. Lazarus trusted in God. Just like Abraham and they were found together in Abrahams Bossom.

mtngloetiartel:
What does the Bible say that helps us to understand what the soul is?Gen. 2:7: “God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Notice that this does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living person.) (The part of the Hebrew word here rendered “soul” is neʹphesh. KJ, AS, and Dy agree with that rendering. RS, JB, NAB read “being.” NE says “creature.” Kx reads “person.”)1 Cor. 15:45: “It is even so written: ‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (So the Christian Greek Scriptures agree with the Hebrew Scriptures as to what the soul is.) (The Greek word here translated “soul” is the accusative case of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, Dy, JB, NAB, and Kx also read “soul.” RS, NE, and TEV say “being.”)1 Pet. 3:20: “In Noah’s days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.” (The Greek word here translated “souls” is psy·khaiʹ, the plural form of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, Dy, and Kx also read “souls.” JB and TEV say “people”; RS, NE, and NAB use “persons.”)Gen. 9:5: “Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, “lives”; Hebrew, from neʹphesh] shall I ask back.” (Here the soul is said to have blood.)Josh. 11:11: “They went striking every soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] that was in it with the edge of the sword.” (The soul is here shown to be something that can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.)
Can the human soul die?Ezek. 18:4: “Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” (*Hebrew reads “the neʹphesh.” KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy render it “the soul.” Some translations say “the man” or “the person.”)Matt. 10:28: “Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul [or, “life”]; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul* and body in Gehenna.” (*Greek has the accusative case of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, RS, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, and NAB all render it “soul.”)Acts 3:23: “Indeed, any soul [Greek, psy·kheʹ] that does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.”

If you are a student of English language, you will know that so many words have multiple meaning. So, the usage of the word within the context determines the meaning.

The word soul is used in two ways in the Bible

First, it refers to the total man. For instance, if 5 persons died in an accident, we can say that five souls died.

Second, it is also used to describe that part of man that cannot be seen. It is the intellectual centre of man. It consists of the mind, will and emotion.

This is why a verse describes man as, spirit, soul and body.

And if you do your research, the original Hebrew or Greek word for the two different usage of soul are not the same.

Check my thread where I posted my book on the Total Man, you will get a very clear explanation on this.

It is this second description of soul that does not die. It is eternal just like the spirit of man.

Ken4Christ:

Russell and Rutherford have brainwashed you and demons have blocked your eyes and blinded your eyes from seeing the truth. Even when you see it, you can't believe it.

So who brainwashed all these people arguing with you on the topic?

Ọmọ continue deceiving yourself!

mtngloetiartel:
The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohlʹ and its Greek equivalent haiʹdes, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek geʹen·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

Our Lord Jesus did not leave us in the dark as to what he really meant by hell. This is why he used different parables and many phrases to describe it and what happens there. That someone or group of persons translate hell as grave does not stop it from what it is.

The good you will do yourself is to go through passages Jesus made references to hell and determine within the context he is speaking whether he is referring to a grave or something more than a grave. And don't limit yourself to one translation.

You can never be honest to yourself about a controversial subject until you have examined every single scripture where the subject is discussed.

But you only use scripture that appears to support your opinions and ignore others that clearly contradicts them, it points to gross dishonesty. And it could cost you your salvation.

For instance, when Jesus talked about hell, he often used the phrase, 'cast into hell'. The word cast means throw. Do you throw people into graves?

In some places, he said into the fire that shall never be quenched. Is there fire burning in the grave.

Those who argue that he was referring to a valley in Jerusalem known as Gehenna are making great mistakes. This is because, the fire in Gehenna is no longer burning. And Jesus said that the fire in hell is never quenched.

Again, he said that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth there. Do lifeless bodies weep and gnash their teeth? Certainly not.

He also used other term to describe the final place of punishment. Hell is not the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will be released for final judgment on judgment day.

The final destination is the Lake of Fire.

This is what our Lord Jesus referred to as furnace of fire. He also called it everlasting fire. The torment in the Lake of Fire is far worse than that in hell.

In hell, he said that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

But in the Lake of Fire, he said that there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The pains or torment will be so much that you can't weep anyone. Rather, you will wail.

Please, repent before it is too late.

BreconHills:


Yours is the best answer.

Thank you.

Ken4Christ:
God never planned on tormenting humans in hell. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels.

But because man or the first Adam sinned, the entire human race became subject to Satan. And if Satan is destined for hell, where will his subject be? The same place of course.

So, what God did is a rescue mission. We were all headed for hell already. So, he sent Jesus to redeem us from that horrible place.

Those who believe will be delivered from it. Those who do not will continue on that road to hell.

God cannot infringe on the right of Satan to claim the souls to hell because the souls willingly submitted themselves to Satan by rejecting Christ.

I totally 500% concur with every single thing, you've written in, immediate up here, and before being accused of being petty, will make only one adjustment, which is everywhere I see, 'hell', will replace it with 'Lake of Fire'

Now Ken4Christ, dearest beloved, pleased the honours of sharing your answers to the simple below questions,

1. According to your understanding, do you really think that tormenting souls of human beings, in a way, that permanently continues and lasts forever, is something that God is looking forward to get pleasure from. Hmm?
2. According to your understanding, do you really believe that, ABBA, a good and loving Influencer, (i.e. God) will, non-stop barbecue burn human beings (i.e. human beings with souls and have intact flesh or bodies) and souls (i.e. human beings, with soul but are no more with flesh or bodies) in the lake of fire FOREVER

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Barristter07:


A spirit does not have flesh and bones.

You hardly think when typing this, what's a soul doing with a teeth? Isn't teeth a bone ?

There is a difference between a spirit and a spirit being. Man is a spirit being. He is not a spirit.

Angels too are spirit beings. Don't angels eat?

Every part of man after death is complete. The only difference is that he is not in his physical body.

He still looks complete in the realm of the spirit like he is in the physical. But he can't make contact with the physical world because he does not have a physical body.

So, he still has hands, legs, mouth, eyes and teeth. Every part is complete. But he is in a spiritual form.

Barristter07:


So why are people buried in the ground when they die? According to the parable, your fleshly tongue, fingers and entire human body should be in Hell

Our body looks like your spirit. A few people who narrated their near death experiences always say that they saw themselves come out of the their body and yet they still looked complete. It's like having a double. Some of them even said they saw people around their dead bodies but the people couldn't see them.

They came back to life when their spirit entered back into their bodies.

So, man in his spirit form as as complete as his physical form. The only difference is that he cannot make contact with the physical world unless he enters back into his body.

tete7000:

It was not stated that he humiliated him, infact he never stopped him from eating from the scraps from his table. His sin was that he could help but didn't. He was indifferent to the plight of Lazarus. Read Mat. 25

Then they will also answer him, saying: 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?' Then he shall respond to them by saying: 'Amen I say to you, whenever you did not do it to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.' And these shall go into eternal punishment, but the just shall go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:44‭-‬46

The humiliation was permitting his dog to lick Lazarus sores. He could have chained his dogs.

Jumbojax:
it wasn't a normal parable. Normal parables Jesus didn't use names. But in this one he did because that actually happened. Abraham Lazarus and the rich man are real ppl

If it actually happened, then it ceases to be a parable and becomes instead a retelling of an actual event. By the way, where do you get this rule of yours that proverbs cannot contain mention of real names? Which school of thought is that idea from?

Not really my brother, it was never a must for the rich man to help Lazarus, it was a 'should' like the rich man should have helped him. Nobody owes you anything, so we should forget this entitlement mentality. Secondly the parable is between Lazarus and the rich man, by extrapolation it means the rich man is not the only rich man in that story as there were several of them (I drew my conclusion from the heading of the story, Lazarus and the rich and not the richest man). Thirdly I see Lazarus as a very lazy man, no matter the outcome, u sat at the rich man's gate, his dogs were licking your wounds and he didn't make any efforts. Same as what we have in this modern parlance, person wey go help u no go stress you, if the rich man no help Lazarus, he should have looked elsewhere. Back to the reason he went to hell, read verse 27-30 it was clearly stated that he requested Lazarus to go back and preach to his brothers and you saw Abraham's response, meaning they preached the word of salvation to him but he failed to harken unto it. What led him to hell was he rejected the gospel of salvation. You may be rich, you may be a generous giver, you may have compassion on the poor but if you fail to receive and accept the gospel of salvation then you are hell bound. That was why it was a parable and the hidden truth has been misunderstood by people who only preach on giving but fail to consolidate the salvation part of the story.

Ken4Christ:


He did not have mercy on poor Lazarus. Rather, he humiliated him in his poverty stricken condition.

Ken4Christ:


The humiliation was permitting his dog to lick Lazarus sores. He could have chained his dogs.

Even if he chained his dogs, there still wouldn't have been anything dignifying in a man eating from the scraps when he could have been invited to eat from the table. The rich man main sin is sin of indifference, one of not feeling the plight of another and do something to offer solace.

tete7000:


Even if he chained his dogs, there still wouldn't have been anything dignifying in a man eating from the scraps when he could have been invited to eat from the table. The rich man main sin is sin of indifference, one of not feeling the plight of another and do something to offer solace.

Of course I said that. I don't dispute it. I only added that point to his sin. If the role the dog played wasn't important, it wouldn't have been recorded. It was added to show us how wicked the man was.

Besides, the beggar only sought to eat the crumbs. The rich man did not even give him the crumbs to eat. Read the it below;

Luke 16:21 And DESIRING TO BE FED with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

He desired it. The rich man did not give him the crumbs.

If the narration had read, 'and he ate of the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, it would have meant that the rich man willingly allowed him to do it.

To desire a thing is not the same as having that same thing. If you have it, you won't have to desire it.

eaglez:
Not really my brother, it was never a must for the rich man to help Lazarus, it was a 'should' like the rich man should have helped him. Nobody owes you anything, so we should forget this entitlement mentality. Secondly the parable is between Lazarus and the rich man, by extrapolation it means the rich man is not the only rich man in that story as there were several of them (I drew my conclusion from the heading of the story, Lazarus and the rich and not the richest man). Thirdly I see Lazarus as a very lazy man, no matter the outcome, u sat at the rich man's gate, his dogs were licking your wounds and he didn't make any efforts. Same as what we have in this modern parlance, person wey go help u no go stress you, if the rich man no help Lazarus, he should have looked elsewhere. Back to the reason he went to hell, read verse 27-30 it was clearly stated that he requested Lazarus to go back and preach to his brothers and you saw Abraham's response, meaning they preached the word of salvation to him but he failed to harken unto it. What led him to hell was he rejected the gospel of salvation. You may be rich, you may be a generous giver, you may have compassion on the poor but if you fail to receive and accept the gospel of salvation then you are hell bound. That was why it was a parable and the hidden truth has been misunderstood by people who only preach on giving but fail to consolidate the salvation part of the story.

Nobody owes you anything is a worldly jargon used to evade your responsibility to others in need. It's not so on the kingdom of God.

The parable of the sheep and goat made it clear.

So many will go to hell for neglecting to help those in need within their power.

You certainly can't help everyone but you should be able to do so to people who are close to you and even come for help.

Enjoy your wealth alone. Don't help anyone. You will be in the line of goats on that day.

The word of God is very clear on it. Despise it at your own peril.

Kobojunkie:
If it actually happened, then it ceases to be a parable and becomes instead a retelling of an actual event. By the way, where do you get this rule of yours that proverbs cannot contain mention of real names? Which school of thought is that idea from?

Comparison. Other parables are nameless. Once names are involved it's a story

I love your assertion in your fourth paragraph, "you should" and not "you must". Please don't miss understood my position, it is good to help, it is good to give, it is good to have or show mercy and compassion to people around you but my point is having done or having the above character WITHOUT receiving the word of salvation,everything good you think you have done amounts to nothing. It was wrong for the preachers to only pick the fact that he did not help Lazarus made him go to hell, his going to hell was majorly because he did not listen to the prophets while he was alive and that he indirectly affirmed in verse 27-30. Parables are hidden words meant not to be easily understood in plain words but with much wisdom and deep thinking, you get the true picture.

For the sheep and goat you mentioned, it is crystal clear that it is based on the characteristics of the subjects (in this case goat and sheep) every disobedient fellow is referred to a goat and the obedient one is a sheep.

Lastly, if you are for Christ as your moniker says, take time to explain things well without being filled with rage leading to passing judgements or making conclusions that are often not necessary since it is not in your place to determine who ends up as sheep or goat. The thief crucified with Christ was a goat but at the last minute CHRIST HIMSELF made him sheep, it simply means mercy and grace found him at the last minute. Shalom!

Ken4Christ:


Nobody owes you anything is a worldly jargon used to evade your responsibility to others in need. It's not so on the kingdom of God.

The parable of the sheep and goat made it clear.

So many will go to hell for neglecting to help those in need within their power.

You certainly can't help everyone but you should be able to do so to people who are close to you and even come for help.

Enjoy your wealth alone. Don't help anyone. You will be in the line of goats on that day.

The word of God is very clear on it. Despise it at your own peril.

NNTR:
Good you know that

Let me provide the perfect complement to this comment. Which is:
One doesnt accuse an incorruptible and principle Judge who passes correct and fair judgement according to the law which the course of justice demands, of being a sadist.

1. What are the various sentences for committing the crime of kidnapping in Naiyja?
2. Would you accuse a judge of being a sadist for giving right judgement, that is proportional to the kidnapping crime committed?
3. What would you call a judge that gives a sentence that is disproportionate to the crime committed?

Now, please, indulge us here, do you really think that tormenting souls of human beings, in a way that permanently continues and lasts forever, is something that God is looking forward to get pleasure from. Hmm?

I am perceiving that you, just as Ken4Christ does, really believe that, ABBA, a good and loving Influencer, will non stop barbecue burn human beings and souls in the lake of fire FOREVER

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

What is your stand in this? I mean your own opinion.

mtngloetiartel:
Let me help you to connect the dots.
First of all, keep in mind that God made humans to live forever. It was Adam’s sin that led to death. (Gen. 2:17; 3:17-19; Rom. 5:12) Also, a day before God is 1000 years (2Pet.3:8; Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34)
Adam actually died the day he ate the fruit from the forbidden tree. He didn't live up to a day. At Genesis 5:5, it was recorded that he lived 930 years and he died. He didn't lived up to a day. So God's warning to Adam about eating the fruit from the forbidden tree was right (Titus1:2)

I don't get you right.

Whoknow:
What is your stand in this?

My stand on what?

Whoknow:
What is your stand in this? I mean your own opinion.

Opinion on what?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

[quote author=FRANCISTOWN post=123002749]

I didn't say Isaac was not rich.
I didn't say Abraham was not rich
I didn't say David was not rich

Genesis 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
Yet Isaac was broke, that he had to start from the bottom. The reason was because, all Abraham had left was blessings and gifts.
He gave the blessings to Isaac and the gifts to other children.

It was until after the death it Abraham that Isaac began to prosper

Genesis 25:11 And it came to pass after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac; and Isaac dwelt by the well Lahairoi.

And here was how


Genesis 26:12 Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him.

Show me anywhere it is written in the Bible that Abraham gave material gifts to Isaac? Abraham was already broke.

And as for David and Solomon

1 Chronicles 29:2 Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance.

What's does it mean to give with all your might? It simply means David gave his all. All that he had.

If David left great inheritance for Solomon, why would god be impressed that Solomon didn't ask for riches but wisdom?
Solomon became rich through gifts, gifts and Women.[/quote

Can u pls summaries, cos I seem to be missing exactly what your point is

Kobojunkie:
That is a misconception. Adam was in the presence of God when God gave Him that command and also when God cursed Him, and scripture has it that a 1000 years in the world is like a day in the presence of God. And we know that Adam died less than 1000 years after he was kicked out of the garden of Eden.

Another thing we also know is that Adam did not have a spirit assigned to Him by God. The same breath of God that God breathed into Adam's nose - Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7 - God also put into all living creatures- Genesis 6 vs 15. God made man solely of the clay of this earth hence the reason for God's judgment ---- from dust man was made and to dust man will return when he dies - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

I don't understand what you are saying.

FRANCISTOWN:


I didn't say Isaac was not rich.
I didn't say Abraham was not rich
I didn't say David was not rich

Genesis 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
Yet Isaac was broke, that he had to start from the bottom. The reason was because, all Abraham had left was blessings and gifts.
He gave the blessings to Isaac and the gifts to other children.

It was until after the death it Abraham that Isaac began to prosper

Genesis 25:11 And it came to pass after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac; and Isaac dwelt by the well Lahairoi.

And here was how


Genesis 26:12 Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him.

Show me anywhere it is written in the Bible that Abraham gave material gifts to Isaac? Abraham was already broke.

And as for David and Solomon

1 Chronicles 29:2 Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance.

What's does it mean to give with all your might? It simply means David gave his all. All that he had.

If David left great inheritance for Solomon, why would god be impressed that Solomon didn't ask for riches but wisdom?
Solomon became rich through gifts, gifts and Women.

I seem to be missing exactly what your point is.. Pls summarise or just state the point

Jumbojax:
Comparison. Other parables are nameless. Once names are involved it's a story

But where did you get the rule in bold from? Did Jesus Christ give you that rule himself or the English language or what?

Where u are not getting it right is when you go beyond Bible teachings. U can't used imperfect man-made theology to give credence to what the Bible is saying. The word of God is superior to man's understanding. Know this first and always keep it at the back of ur mind. Ur explanation of soul doesn't fit in with what the Bible teaches. For instance, where does the bible state or teaches that there are 2 types of souls? Try support ur assertions with the scriptures. I never even give u all the examples where the bible refer to soul. Do you know that Animals too are refer to as souls in the Bible?
Gen. 1:20, 21, 24, 25: “God went on to say: ‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls* . . . ’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind. . . . And God went on to say: ‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds . . . ’ And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind.” (*In Hebrew the word here is neʹphesh. Ro reads “soul.” Some translations use the rendering “creature[s].”)Lev. 24:17, 18: “In case a man strikes any soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] of mankind fatally, he should be put to death without fail. And the fatal striker of the soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] of a domestic animal should make compensation for it, soul for soul.” (Notice that the same Hebrew word for soul is applied to both mankind and animals.)Rev. 16:3: “It became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul* died, yes, the things in the sea.” (Thus the Christian Greek Scriptures also show animals to be souls.) (*In Greek the word here is psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, and Dy render it “soul.” Some translators use the term “creature” or “thing.”)
“There is no dichotomy [division] of body and soul in the O[ld] T[estament]. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepeš [neʹphesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person. . . . The term [psy·kheʹ] is the N[ew] T[estament] word corresponding with nepeš. It can mean the principle of life, life itself, or the living being.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450.“The Hebrew term for ‘soul’ (nefesh, that which breathes) was used by Moses . . . , signifying an ‘animated being’ and applicable equally to nonhuman beings. . . . New Testament usage of psychē (‘soul’) was comparable to nefesh.”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1976), Macropædia, Vol. 15, p. 152.“The belief that the soul continues its existence after the dissolution of the body is a matter of philosophical or theological speculation rather than of simple faith, and is accordingly nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture.”—The Jewish Encyclopedia (1910), Vol. VI, p. 564.

Ken4Christ:


If you are a student of English language, you will know that so many words have multiple meaning. So, the usage of the word within the context determines the meaning.

The word soul is used in two ways in the Bible

First, it refers to the total man. For instance, if 5 persons died in an accident, we can say that five souls died.

Second, it is also used to describe that part of man that cannot be seen. It is the intellectual centre of man. It consists of the mind, will and emotion.

This is why a verse describes man as, spirit, soul and body.

And if you do your research, the original Hebrew or Greek word for the two different usage of soul are not the same.

Check my thread where I posted my book on the Total Man, you will get a very clear explanation on this.

It is this second description of soul that does not die. It is eternal just like the spirit of man.

Whoknow:
■ I don't understand what you are saying.

Be specific! What part confuses you.

Kobojunkie:
If it actually happened, then it ceases to be a parable and becomes instead a retelling of an actual event. By the way, where do you get this rule of yours that proverbs cannot contain mention of real names? Which school of thought is that idea from?

Dont mind him Jumbojax
Jokes, at times, contain names of real people, just as proverbs, at times as well, can for effect, make mention of real names

Jumbojax:
Comparison. Other parables are nameless. Once names are involved it's a story

All parables are stories, however, not all stories are parables

Parables, mentioning people's names doesnt disqualify or negate them, from being called parables

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

It is very clear. Adam died the day he ate the forbidden fruit. The proof is in the bible. God cannot lie (Titus 1:2) 2Peter 3:8 remind us that a day before God is 1000 years. Adam didn't lived up to a day (1000 years). The Bible record that Adam lived 930 years (Gen. 5:5) So, the explanation of Gen.2:17 that Adam died a spiritual death after eating the forbidden fruit is false

Whoknow:


I don't get you right.

NNTR:
Dont mind him Jumbojax
Jokes, at times, contain names of real people, just as proverbs, at times as well, can for effect, make mention of real names

All parables are stories, however, not all stories are parables

Parables, mentioning people's names doesnt disqualify or negate them, from being called parables

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

True true but this case it has to be a real life narrative. Other scriptures proves that old testament saints were in a place that wasn't heaven. But a paradise e.g Luke 23:42-43 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The thief is asking for heaven but Jesus is promising him a paradise with Him.
And we know Jesus went to hell for 3 days after he died.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Abrahams Bossom is not heaven but a paradise beside hell for old testament believers like Lazarus cause the way to heaven wasn't opened until Jesus died

Kobojunkie:
But where did you get the rule in bold from? Did Jesus Christ give you that rule himself or the English language or what?

It's not a rule just an understanding of the context

Jumbojax:
■ It's not a rule just an understanding of the context

1. So you came up with this rule all by yourself and assert it on the story just cause? For reals?

Kobojunkie:
1. So you came up with this rule all by yourself and assert it on the story just cause? For reals?

like I said, not a rule