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Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 3:54pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
The Ijebu are said to speak a Yoruba dialect but they have said that they are not Yoruba. Is it therefore not proper to refer to spoken Ijebu as a language on its own? Where can an interested individual learn and study Ijebu lexicography online? |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by AndreUweh(m): 7:14pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
Ijebu is the Ikwerre of Igbo language/land. 1 Like |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by odumchi: 8:04pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
How does Ikwerre compare to Ijebu? And please don't give me the "they say they are not Igbos" thing. I have relatives by marriage who are of the Ikwerre subgroup. We speak the same language, dress the same way and practice the same customs, so then what does Ijebu saying they aren't Yoruba have to do with Ikwerre? |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lakal(m): 9:41pm On Oct 01, 2011 |
There are very few Ijebus who deny being Yoruba. Don't try to play that spin. The controversy stems from Ijebus saying that they predate Oduduwa, which is another argument entirely. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 11:57am On Oct 02, 2011 |
lakal:By what authority do you mention that? If you want confirmation, go and ask the Awujale of Ijebuland or the Osugbo. You can even check out their list of Kings and compare to those of other Yoruba Kingdoms. Maybe Oduduwa lived long enough to see 5 Ijebu kings enthroned. I am interested words and names of people that are peculiar to the Ijebu (aka Jebu) people. Meanwhile I want to believe that Andre Uweh was employing a figure of speech. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lakal(m): 3:38pm On Oct 02, 2011 |
Where did the Awujale say that the Ijebus are not Yorubas? It seems to be more of what I stated in the last sentence of my first post, that the Ijebu believe that their culture predates Oduduwa. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by mbatuku1: 3:18am On Oct 04, 2011 |
lakal: www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/ |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lakal(m): 3:58am On Oct 04, 2011 |
^^ That still goes along with what I'm saying. Every Yoruba myth states that their founders came from the East. The Ijebus (or rather ,the Awujale) are just saying that they got to their present location first. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 9:58am On Oct 04, 2011 |
No. They say that they also migrated from the east, and with very specific clues; not that they got here first. The migration also seems to validate the claim that the Ijebu are one and the same with the Biblical Jebus and Jebusites. One thing to be noted is that many Yoruba and Edo people have not given us their verifiable histories from the period prior to 10AD. Likewise they do not want to mention anything that would link the to having served as slaves at one time or the other, unlike the Ijebu (meaning of Ijebu?). |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by mbatuku1: 12:45pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
lakal: I think his point is that they are of a different family group, but now absorbed to be 'yorubas' in their present location. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 6:05pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
Who can help me with the meaning of these names? I would be very grateful. I doubt if I have ever come across any person bearing these names. PAST AND PRESENT AWUJALES 1. Olu-Iwa 2. Oshi 3. Obanta 4. Monigbuwa 5. Oba-Guru 6. Oba-Loja 7. Oba-Lofin 8. Oba-Apasa 9. Oba-Ofinran 10. Obaruwa 11. Obangaju 12. Tolumogboye 13. Lapengbuwa 14. Otutubiosun 15. Ajuwakale 16. Adisa 17. Jewo 18. Elewu-Ileke 19. Ajana 20. Olotunoyese 21. Olumodan 22. Mase 23. Ore-yeye (Female) 24. Agunwaja 25. Jadiara 26. Asapo-Okun 27. Afolajoye 28. Omila 29. Mekun 30. Gbogidi 31. Ore-geje (Female) 32. Oluyoruwa 33. Muwagona 34. Olope 35. Ayora 36. Fesojaiye 37, Rubakoye (Female) 38. Sapennuwa 39. Oniyewe 40. Boyejo 41. Moyegeso 42. Orodudu-joye 43. Atewogbuwa 44. Gbelegbuwa - 1760 45. Fusengbuwa - 1790 46. Setejoye - 1819 47. Figbajoye Anikilaya - 1820 48. Ademuyewo Fidipote - 1852 49. Adesimbo Tunwase 1886 (Aboki) 50. Adeleke Ogbagba I - 1895 51. Adeona Fusigboye - 1906 '52. Ademolu Fesogbade - 1915 53. Adekoya Eleruja - 1916 *54. Ademotu Fesogbade - 1917 55. Adenuga Folagbade - 1925 56, Ogunnaike Fibiwoga 1929 57. Dan. Adesanya Gbelegbuwa II - 1933-1959 58. Sikiru Adetona Ogbagba II - 1960 *(Nos 52 and 54 are the same person). |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by tpia5: 12:06am On Oct 05, 2011 |
lol |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 9:10pm On Oct 05, 2011 |
From mbatuku1's link Olu-iwa (Obanta’s maternal grandpa and the first Awujale) migrated from Wadai (the supposed Sudan area) through Ile-Ife. In his entourage were some of his relatives and daughter (Gborowo). He decided to spend some time with Oduduwa in Ile-Ife and he later gave his daughter’s hadn in marriage to Oduduwa. Thye begot Gborogan (Obanta) as one thier 16 children. Olu-iwa continued his journey to Ijebu Ode where he became the first Awujale. Contrary to what a lot think, Obanta is the 3rd and not the first Awujale. Anyway, if you desire more information into these facts – if you can, look for OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE REPORT ON THE FOUNDING OF IJEBU-ODE BY T.B. BOVELL JONES, DISTRICT OFFICER (MAY 7, 1943) |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by amor4ce(m): 9:15pm On Oct 05, 2011 |
Also from mbatuku1's link lamurudu (in Abinisia? far east) gave birth to yahuba (where omo yoruba emanated from), while yahuba gave birth to five children among which is oduduwa, oluiwa, gogobiri and two others. after the war in saudi, yahuba died and the children returned to there grandfather, lamurudu, in memory of there father, he told them that there children/descendants should be called omo yahuba (ONO YORUBA). oduduwa, being the eldest, left and move down to settle in ile ife, definitely, he passes thru wadai. others also moved with oluiwa moving to settle down in wadai, sudan. he later moved down in search of his brother, oduduwa. on getting to ile ife, Oduduwa is dead, so he couldn’t stay, he doesn’t want the royalty to move out, so, he gave his daughter, Gborowo to Okanbi to marry, while he continue on his journey down and he finally settled in Ijebu ode (note: he, and his entourage met Ajebu and Olode in todays ijebu ode). Ajebu and Olode pleaded he should stay and rule over them, so, he did. Oluiwa was the first Oba in ijebu ode. after his death, there was no body to take over his position, so a message was sent to ile ife for his grandson, Ogborogamida, also known as Obanta (the son Gborowo had for Okanbi) to come and take over. he had to leave ile ife for ijebu ode (reason y some will say ijebu ode emanated from ife, its not). wen leaving, the mother, gborowo left with him, also is the oba of benin (who happens to b an elder brother). on the way coming, there was a fight between the oba of benin and ogborogamida. ogborogamida won and he wounded the oba of benin and took all his royal entitlements, the crowns and others (the reason while the Oba of benin doesn’t where a crown till date), and those around that witness the fight termed ogborogamida as “a wu ija ile bi ologina ni alakunri yi” dont mind my yoruba, simply means “this man fights on the ground like a cat” and that where the title “AWUJALE” comes from. the oba of benin went on his way to settle in todays benin ” coined fro ILE IBINU- a story for anoda day, y Ogborogamida, the mother, Gborowo and the entourage moved. on gettin to ijebu ife, the mother fell sick, could accommodate this and died in the process of crossing a river. tradition, u know, she was buried beside the river in ijebu ife, and thereafter, the river was named after her as “OSUN GBOROWO”. the rest continue on the journey to ijebu ode. wen they got to ijebu ode, at the front of the palace while the chiefs where inside delibrating on how to crown a new king. one of the guards in the palace seeing Ogborogamida in his outfit (on a white horse, sword on one hand, irukere on the oda, a crown on his head and other feature not worth mentioning), he rushed inside and told the chiefs “Oba kan ma wa ni ita”, thats where OBANTA emerges from. the chiefs rushed out, he introduced himself, and he was crowned the king. there are so many stories,if u re willing to know, ask and u shall be told rather than sayin wat is not it. fine, Awujale is the Oba of ijebu ode just like Akarigbo is the oba of just a part sagamu as we have about 16 remos in sagamu, all with there own king/baale. As for Oni of Ife, he knows where is rised up from, he knows is not the direct son of Oduduwa,, the reason while he wont com out to talk, but its we people that talked for him 1 Like |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by Nobody: 3:56am On Oct 03, 2012 |
Interesting thread... So, we're Jebusites, the original owners of Palestine, no?? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Nigerians/NLers and their Jew/Palestine claims... |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 3:16pm On Nov 02, 2015 |
According to Yoruba account, all human beings emanated from the first spot on Earth where land rose above the waters and started to expand. That spot is called Ife or Ufe meaning expansion. That spot might be anywhere in the world for all we know. There probably have been very many Ifes. What the Awujale meant is that his dynasty did not emanate from the present Ife in Osun state established by the Meccan, Oduduwa and this is right. Ijebu Eredo was a contemporary if not greater than the Ife in Osun state. Owu is another dynasty that did not emanate from the new Ife but they both formed alliance. The long and short of it is that Ijebu which is a center for Ifa studies can not claim to not be from Ife but they can claim to have an identity that predates Oduduwa who arrived recently. The Oyo, Benin, Ijesha and etc can not make any such claim. However all human beings according to Yoruba thought are descended from the series of ancient Ifes that declined. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 11:13pm On Nov 02, 2015 |
lawani:"That Ife could be anywhere in the world". .. Interesting Awujale really missed a big point. .He must have mistaken the "Owodaiye" in Ife Owodaiye for Waddai. But "Ife Owodaiye" isn't peculiar to the Ijebu. All yoruba relate with that |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 4:36pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
macof:He did not mistake anything in my opinion. There were several states when Oduduwa arrived. Some were so established that they did not take a new prince from the new dynasty in Ife, some retreated into the hills and established new identities named after ancient empires. This is more common in Ondo and Ekiti. Ijebu and Owu married princesses from Ife. Patrilineally, the Awujale should be taken as descended from an ancient Sudanese royal family in Wadai just as the story is passed down. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 7:19pm On Nov 04, 2015 |
lawani: How exactly does sudan fit into all this? make me understand that btw Nobody retreated from Oduduwa except the Ilaje(this is even disputed as some consider the event to have begun much after Oduduwa's reign), and no yoruba settlement is known to be named after any Empire also the Awujale is known all over Yorubaland to be a son of Oduduwa |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 5:13am On Nov 06, 2015 |
macof:Our own family retreated into the Ekiti hills, then came back to nationalise as Ijeshas under the Owa Obokun. I am descended from the ancient Ajeros and one of my ancestors was an Ogun incarnate. Many people retreated and held on to ancient identities like Ara, Ijero, Ire, Ogotun and etc. Those are names of very ancient empires. There was an ancient Oduduwa who was a woman, the orisa of love, in the custody of the Awori. She was wife to Obatala, though Obatala has also been portrayed as a woman in Ifa verses. The second Oduduwa is the Meccan who is the progenitor of majority of the most prominent Obas. Awujale is a son of Oduduwa through a woman but has his own distinct lineage which predates the Meccan Oduduwa by I think 5 monarchs. The people from Ijebu are descended from Ife but not an Ile Ife but an Ode Ife. Their Oba is patrilineally descended from Wadai while also descended from Oduduwa the Meccan through a woman who was Oduduwa's daughter. Ditto for the Olowu. Wadai is important because that was what was passed on. Too late to change the history. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by absoluteSuccess: 7:15am On Nov 06, 2015 |
lawani: That's Ore Yeye o, Odu to da iwa. Oluiwa is a subsidiary of Oduduwa. Awa f'oju b'Odu a rire, Enikan kii foju b'Odu lasan, A foju b'Odu arire. 1 Like |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 1:07pm On Nov 06, 2015 |
lawani: I see, when you said ancient empires my mind went far from this. You are right some kingdoms established during Oduduwa's time(and later) were named after old settlements (I wouldn't call them empires) ie. Owo, Oye, Ejigbo, Iwo, Ara (Aramoko is named after it) I wouldn't say They retreated from Oduduwa, most of them were Princes( so is claimed) Again with this mecca hypothesis? Have you ever wondered why certain people from Oyo with Islamic influence were the ones that propagated this? Why don't Ife folks speak of this? No, According to all available reads Awujale - that is Obanta is a direct son of Oduduwa. . His Ijebu links comes from his mother Gborowo. Olowu is the only grandson from a daughter(Oduduwa's first child)... I know there are many books copying from Samuel Johnson claiming Alaketu, and some others as sons of daughters but those are wrong How many Typical ijebu folks know what Waddai is? not to mention where in the world it is. If not for the exposure of Oba Adetona |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 11:18am On Nov 07, 2015 |
macof:You understate what those empires are. Ogun discovered iron and established a world power in reality. An iron super power. Ire was nothing less than that. Ogun was the first Onire. Where that ancient Ire was located, no one knows. Where Iranje where Obatala ruled was located, no one knows. Those were advanced civilizations that may have covered the whole globe when they prospered. Don't think because they are now represented by tiny villages, it means that is what they have always been. On your idea about the origin of the Mecca story, what is your opinion about the Lamurudu story and how did it surface among the Yoruba. Lamurudu is a Yoruba rendition of Nimrod as an uneducated Yoruba can only pronounce Nimrod as Lamurudu. The newly arrived Oduduwa obviously introduced himself to people in Ife as a descendant of Nimrod. Nimrod was the most important man in pre Mohammedan middle east history and would have been the ancestor of a pre Mohammedan Meccan royalty. So I believe the story is true. You should not think that the Awujale manufactured the name Wadai all by himself. Why would you do that? |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by absoluteSuccess: 4:37pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
^^Because a whole lot of dynamics was at play. Awujale would not play a second-fiddle role in the scheme of things in Yorubaland. Hence he opt out. He always say ife as the cradle of the Yoruba is 'action group' thing. He believe the Ijebu were from Wadai in some place in Sudan and chad. The actual problem was, Oba Adetona can't accept Awo, a Remo that Ijebu look down at as his principal. That played out with Odutola wanting Awo to come and postrate to him before he can recieve financial aid while in crisis. Awo as Remo does not buy Ijebu story cause it doesnt even exist at the time. Awo was only familiar with Oduduwa story. A Senator told me a weird version of the tale that Awo believed. He was humble enough to believe it. it was that after Okanbi failed at reaching mecca, he came back home and slay the Asara, and inherited the throne of Ife. I dont believe this story because Awo was not an historian or a Yoruba scholar, he is but a great man. Likewise I dont believe Oba Adetona as a historian either. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 4:58pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
lawani: Ire of Ogun appears to remain today's Ire. the sword Ogun used is still at the spot he kept it I'm not saying "Lamurudu" isn't the yoruba rendition of Nimrod, due to the accent. Arabs say "Namrud" and it's evident "Namrud" was turned into "Lamurudu" by Yoruba tongue. ..those yorubas who had been influenced by islam There's more than enough reason to call that mecca hypothesis a nonsense. 1. The legend of Nimrod is from Mesopotamia, Nimrod had no business with Mecca. It would have held more credence if they claim Lamurudu was from Mesopotamia not the Arabian peninsula 2. The Bible and Quran are where they picked up the idea of Lamurudu. .its not native to yorubas 3. According to Genesis 10:10; Nimrod founded Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar. Shinar is what the hebrews called Sumer(alternatively Mesopotamia), Babel is Babylon, Erech is Uruk, but Calneh is unidentified although scholars believe the word "Calneh" simply means "all of them" as in "all of them in the land of Shinar", Hence, Nimrod founded all the cities under Sumerian Influence. 4. The City of Sumer was the first in the middle-east, going back 6000BC. Oduduwa was a 12th/13th century personality. If Nimrod founded Sumer and all its surrounding cities around 6000BC, how can this same Nimrod be the father of Oduduwa who lived in the 12th/13th century 5. Some scholars believe that the name "Nimrod" was originally a cult name for a group of hunter gatherers who decided to settle in Mesopotamia..even Genesis 11:2 isn't far from this. If afterall Nimrod was not one man but a group of hunters, it makes the Lamurudu story into a joke 6. In Sumer, Ninurta was worshiped as the God of War and Hunting, Most Scholars have concluded that the name "Namrud/Nimrod" was the corruption of "Ninurta". Infact the arabs call the city of Calah by the name "Nimrud" . Calah happened to be the center of Ninurta worship. No, waddai was a real kingdom, Oba Adetona didn't invent it. . I'm saying he like others who claim waddai origin for the Ijebus are ignorant of Waddai kingdom itself. . Many don't even know where waddai was located. Let's see, Waddai boarded the Kanem-Borno empire, it should be in modern day Chad. many in their urge to cling to Ancient Egypt try to connect it to Egyptian civilization. The Waddai people spoke a Nilo-Saharan language, how does Ijebu dialect correlate with Maban language of Waddai? . . We all know that Yoruba is the language of the Ijebus, and the surrounding dialects are similar to Ijebu Ijebuland is much older than Waddai. . The Awujale dynasty alone began in the late 13th century, waddai was founded in 1603 . Pls how can the Awujale say ijebus are from this young state? Not to forget, waddai was a Caliphate, full of muslims.. Ijebus had no muslims at this time |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by absoluteSuccess: 6:38pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
It doesn't sound pleasant to sell the great history of Ijebuland to an obscure spot without historical relevance. An account claimed there's 'Ode Ijebu' at Wadai, if so, does this singular occurence transplant Ode Ijebu to 'Ijebu Ode'? Nimrod came to us through the bible and Sultan Bello and Rev. Johnson, not through some scholars, Oduduwa did not come with Nimrod. How do you accept that story to be truth? Why would only Nimrod and Oduduwa survive from Abraham to Mohamet time without scratch? Why is it that Oduduwa has no sibling but sons named after kingdom? alake, onisabe, orangun, alafin, olowu, alaketu, onipopo, are these arabic names? if not then Yoruba was before the 'Islamic Oduduwa'. And if that is the case, the Islamic Oduduwa and his 'club7' has failed. There was an early Oduduwa, whose name was stolen to give credence to the 'hamitic theory' among the Yorubas by the 'Islamic Oduduwa folks', who believed it is theirs. All we are saying, stop this anachronistic identity theft. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by absoluteSuccess: 7:08pm On Nov 07, 2015 |
Like I asked my Yoruba teacher, how did Oduduwa staged jihad to take over from the seven kingdoms? or those people build their pleasant kingdoms, solely waiting for a fugitive to come around and take it over? If that narative is true, then Ilorin Afonja saga is a replay in our history. If not, then those telling that story were experiencing 'Jihad fever' while telling their story. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 11:58am On Nov 08, 2015 |
absoluteSuccess: Fancy seeing you kick against the Mecca and Waddai claims. I'm surprised really |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by absoluteSuccess: 1:57pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
macof: Like seriously? You badt, I also saw you claiming that contact with rest of the world (outsiders) is something too, (on the 'igbo don steal yoruba word' thread) I was like hellooo, a whole macof? On a serious note, I believe in the tale of migration of the Yoruba empire builders from Iseri, I only don't buy the myth of civilizing migrants or rebels from mecca. my beliefs are cast in diamond, the hardest thing known to man. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 6:54pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
macof:What you are saying is a sacriledge. You can't dismiss your own ancestors as fools or as crooks. Nimrod was well known as far as Europe. Please read up about him. In the middle East, he was the most iconic character, the old Abraham. Surely a pre Islamic Meccan Monarch may refer to him as an ancestor. The Oduduwa dropped the name as a signature. The way you yourself might say you are a son of Oduduwa to some Europeans. Not a direct father but an ancestor. He obviously mentioned the name because he foresaw that there will be an identity crisis in the future just as we have today. You see, I believe the first Alaafin to be a practising Muslim is the present one. No self respecting people adopts a foreign religion. Doing so is a sign of defeat on all fronts. Islam was known to the Yoruba as far back as the 9th century but it was held at arms length as a matter of national pride. There were always Muslims but a tiny minority and anyone looking to rise in the society would have had to drop the tag as did Alaafin Sango in the 15th century. Islam was never that important to influence narratives. The Yoruba were mainly Yoruba in everything up until the 20th century. Who were the people being influenced by Muslims? Afonja? Aole? Oyabi? Gaha? Ogunmola? All those people lived recently and the idea that they were compromised by Islam can not fly. Do you know that the Ogun character was the one that introduced circumcision that was common in Kemitic Egypt and popularised by the Jews? Ogun Onire was the one that started it. It is only here that you have an account of the origin of circumcision. The Egyptians built the pyramids and we do not know how. The ancestors of the Yoruba were living in cities and under complex organisation before Kemitic Egypt and it appears they spoke thesame language. So what those ancient empires were or what they achieved is something we may never know but to evaluate them according to what now represents them will be inadequate. For example in ten thousand years, the site of today's Lagos may feature a tiny fishing village carrying on some Lagos tradition. It will be wrong to think that village represents what Lagos was in the past. Epidemics can wipe off a civilization to remain a remnant of it and etc. Things are not always the way they appear. I believe Oduduwa was displaced from Mecca by Mohammed himself and that the Awujale arrived before Islam ie before Wadai became a caliphate. The idea that the Awo, a highly conservative institution relied on the Bible and the Quran to formulate stories is highly untenable. If you have any more positions please add them. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by macof(m): 8:17pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
lawani: So all I posted there fell on deaf ears or is it blind eyes yes? At least you should have tried to counter my efforts with something I can hold on to. . Are there any records of an Arabian king claiming ancestry to Nimrod? Also I think I've made it clear that no single man named "Nimrod" is proved to have ever existed. Awujale and Oduduwa couldn't have been around when islam was established by Mohammed around the 7th century No Awo will ever say Lamurudu is the father of Oduduwa. |
Re: Ijebu Language Or Dialect by lawani: 10:13pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
macof:Please read the post again. The story of Lamurudu as father of Oduduwa is taught in schools and was passed down with the Mecca story. I am not an Awo but I know the Awo are custodians of Ifa and hence history. Each lineage also are custodians of their own history. It was Oduduwa himself that dropped the name Nimrod and it is for the benefit of arrogant folks who may believe their forebears were fools. I said I believe Oduduwa was expelled by and would have known Mohammed himself. His arrival is 51 Kings ago in Ife and at an average of around 30 years per King, a 7th century arrival date fits. The 5th Awujale was reigning when Oduduwa arrived, so the Awujale obviously arrived before Islam if my assumption that Mohammedans drove out Oduduwa is right. Mohammedans wiped out the old Arab dynasties that would have been descended from Nimrod with the excuse that they were polytheists that will be why there are no Arab monarchs claiming descent from Nimrod. I believe I have fully addressed your points. |
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