Good morning brethren. Please are there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

There is no prophecy or statement Islam was implied or mentioned in the bible

Even if we try to show you insincerity will never allow you to learn so let's leave you with what you want to hear!

paxonel:
There is no prophecy or statement Islam was implied or mentioned in the bible

Of course there is a prophesy by Jesus himself about Islam but it will also affect so many sects claiming they're believers in Jesus so it's better to let the sleeping dog lie!

MaxInDHouse:


Of course there is a prophesy by Jesus himself about Islam but it will also affect so many sects claiming they're believers in Jesus so it's better to let the sleeping dog lie!

sects believing in Christ and sects believing in Islam, how are dey related in the context of what the op is asking?

paxonel:

sects believing in Christ and sects believing in Islam, how are dey related in the context of what the op is asking?

Hmmmmmmm try to listen with your mind not just your ears and see with your heart not just your eyes.

There are tens of thousands sects all claiming they're believers in Jesus Muslims are just one out of numerous having their own doctrines just like all others.
So instead of thinking about what they call the religion why not ask what they believe about Jesus of Nazareth since they also claim they believe in all the prophets including Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmm try to listen with your mind not just your ears and see with your heart not just your eyes.

There are tens of thousands sects all claiming they're believers in Jesus Muslims are just one out of numerous having their own doctrines just like all others.
So instead of thinking about what they call the religion why not ask what they believe about Jesus of Nazareth since they also claim they believe in all the prophets including Jesus?

Did Muslims tell you that they believe in Jesus, what proof do you have?

paxonel:

Did Muslims tell you that they believe in Jesus, what proof do you have?

Is Jesus' name found written in their holy book?
Did they use to talk about Jesus as a real person?
Did they believe he was born in Israel by a Jewish virgin girl called Mary?
Did they believe that God empowered him to perform miracles?

If YES is the answer to all these questions then the proof is there already that they believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

MaxInDHouse:


Is Jesus' name found written in their holy book?
Did they use to talk about Jesus as a real person?
Did they believe he was born in Israel by a Jewish virgin girl called Mary?
Did they believe that God empowered him to perform miracles?

If YES is the answer to all these questions then the proof is there already that they believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

you are wrong!

I'm not sure that it has yet occurred to you why people believe in Christ.
All these things you mentioned do not fall into the category as to why one should believe in Christ.

When the purpose of a thing is not know abuse is inevitable

MightySparrow:
Good morning brethren. Please re there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

Yes there is, "A time would come when where people who kill you would think they are doing a favour to God"

Jesus said so in mark or Matthew. Muslims are one of the only religion that think killing Christians is a favour to God.


Also in revelation the armies of the east that marched when the Euphrates dried up. All countries east of Israel and the Euphrates are all Muslims countries and they hate israel

MightySparrow:
Good morning brethren. Please re there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

Of course, there are!

One of them is: "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him." John 5:43

MightySparrow:
Good morning brethren. Please re there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

You are starring at it. You have read it over more than a hundred times yet you disbelieved in it fulfillment.

Like the Americans, when confronted with a glaring TRUTH he/she will blurt out " Unbelievable/Are you kidding me?

The Vision of Daniel Chapter 2/7 is enough for any Bible student armed with a grounded history of the World (Even Elementary knowledge of it) to accept that Islam is the Real Deal.

Daniel 7 should clear all your doubts but rather some of you dig in and deny. A lot in the Western World are coming to Islam while reading and searching stuff in the Bible.

I can show you the Fulfillment of Daniel 7 in Islam. You can feel and see it fulfillment but be ready to unlearn what you have learned before and be open to new learning based on what you can verify.

As for Revelation, the Writer was only mirroring Daniel with his own preconceived notions and interpretation.

Lukuluku69:


You are starring at it. You have read it over more than a hundred times yet you disbelieved in it fulfillment.

Like the Americans, when confronted with a glaring TRUTH he/she will blurt out " Unbelievable/Are you kidding me?

The Vision of Daniel Chapter 2/7 is enough for any Bible student armed with a grounded history of the Word (Even Elementary knowledge of it) to accept that Islam is the Real Deal.

Daniel 7 should clear all your doubts but rather some of you dig in and deny. A lot in the Western World are coming to Islam while reading and searching stuff in the Bible.

I can show you the Fulfillment of Daniel 7 in Islam. You can feel and see it fulfillment but be ready to unlearn what you have learned before and be open to new learning based on what you can verify.

As for Revelation, the Writer was only mirroring Daniel with his own preconceived notions and interpretation.

Thanks for your response but you have not really pin point any aspects pointing to Mohammed and Islam. You will do well to answer the question.

Emusan:


Of course, there are!

One of them is: "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him." John 5:43

You have not answered the question. But if you think you have, let us examine the passage.
1. Jesus came in His Father's name. He was not accepted.
2. Mohammed came in his own name ( self called, self sent prophet).
3. Even then, he was not accepted by Jews.
4. The verse says, ' if someone comes n his own name.'
This is conditional statement not a prophecy.
5. I think you qouted wrongly.


Please give unambiguous bible references.
Thanks

MightySparrow:



Thanks for your response but you have not really pin point any aspects pointing to Mohammed and Islam. You will do well to answer the question.

Prophesies/Prophesy are word pictures of Future Events. Usually in Prose, Idioms and Languages not every human can decipher except the Initiates, the Wise and people given to intelligent discourse. When such Prophesy are given, the people around usually don't have a deep understanding of it except the people which such prophesies are meant for. The Yorubas call it "Aditu" meaning you have to be deep and knowledgeable to decipher them. Usually names are not giving/sometimes names are given, the Location same. It may be given or not.

A Prophesy will carry a general descriptions of Future events to unfold. Remember, it is not meant for the Age in which it came.

So, let us look at Daniel 7 verses by verses and line by line and see what Daniel saw in his Vision.

Shall we?

hashtagged:


Yes there is, "A time would come when where people who kill you would think they are doing a favour to God"

Jesus said so in mark or Matthew. Muslims are one of the only religion that think killing Christians is a favour to God.


Also in revelation the armies of the east that marched when the Euphrates dried up. All countries east of Israel and the Euphrates are all Muslims countries and they hate israel

So Islam and Mohammed are revealed as adversaries of God.

Muslima are sure they serve only one God, but in a wrong way. Fighting ignorantly against God.

Lukuluku69:


Prophesies/Prophesy are word pictures of Future Events. Usually in Prose, Idioms and Languages not every human can decipher except the Initiates, the Wise and people given to intelligent discourse. When such Prophesy are given, the people around usually don't have a deep understanding of it except the people which such prophesies are meant for. The Yorubas call it "Aditu" meaning you have to be deep and knowledgeable to decipher them. Usually names are not giving/sometimes names are given, the Location same. It may be given or not.

A Prophesy will carry a general descriptions of Future events to unfold. Remember, it is not meant for the Age in which it came.

So, let us look at Daniel 7 verses by verses and line by line and see what Daniel saw in his Vision.

Shall we?

Although, aditu is mystery not prophecy.

I am ready to learn, that is why I asked the question, so get the ball rolling.

MightySparrow:


So Islam and Mohammed are revealed as adversaries of God.

Muslima are sure they serve only one God, but in a wrong way. Fighting ignorantly against God.

There is no mention of Mohammad in the Bible but the Muslims killing of Christian and thinking their doing their God a favour was implied in the Bible.

Also in the revelations the armies east of Euphrates and Israel are made up of all the extremist Islamic countries. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Palestine e.t.c

Not specific but the Bible tells us to be vigilant and interpreat signs of times. This is just my opinion though

hashtagged:


Yes there is, "A time would come when where people who kill you would think they are doing a favour to God"

Jesus said so in mark or Matthew. Muslims are one of the only religion that think killing Christians is a favour to God.


Also in revelation the armies of the east that marched when the Euphrates dried up. All countries east of Israel and the Euphrates are all Muslims countries and they hate israel

That's something close to their beliefs.

MaxInDHouse:


Is Jesus' name found written in their holy book?
Did they use to talk about Jesus as a real person?
Did they believe he was born in Israel by a Jewish virgin girl called Mary?
Did they believe that God empowered him to perform miracles?

If YES is the answer to all these questions then the proof is there already that they believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

You will do well to pinpoint any particular prophecies about Islam and Mohammed. Thanks

MightySparrow:
Good morning brethren. Please re there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

there is non. but there is one that comes close. and that is referring to the arabs/ ismaelites. genesis: 16: 12

"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and
everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Having known and seen the truma and pain caused by the Islamic Religion through hacking & burning their fellow human being(s) to death as response to defend their Prophet Mohammed, would you still continue to be a member or join them where the following are not guaranteed;

a) Peace is not guaranteed
b) You must kill your fellow humans to defend your prophet
c) Eternal life is not guaranteed- even your Prophet said he doesn't know where he is going afterlife.

Think about this and give your life to Jesus Christ today where your peace and eternal life is guaranteed!

EMILO2STAY:
there is non. but there is one that comes close. and that is referring to the arabs/ ismaelites. genesis: 16: 12

"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and
everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

This is even filled with a lot of ambiguities because some scholars are saying Mohammed has nothing to do with Ishmael. His disciples are trying to foist the tribe and Ishmael on him

paxonel:
you are wrong!

I'm not sure that it has yet occurred to you why people believe in Christ.
All these things you mentioned do not fall into the category as to why one should believe in Christ.

When the purpose of a thing is not know abuse is inevitable

Ọmọ there's no way you can put Muslims out with what i wrote above that you won't disqualify most of the people you're calling Christians too because that's all what they knew about faith in Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ there's no way you can put Muslims out with what i wrote above that you won't disqualify most of the people you're calling Christians too because that's all what they knew about faith in Jesus!

ok 😀😀

MightySparrow:

You will do well to pinpoint any particular prophecies about Islam and Mohammed. Thanks

Who is the man that entered into the wedding feast without the garment? Matthew 22:11-14

Muhammad and a host of others are thinking of going to heaven with Jesus without the spiritual garment they are going directly into the lake of fire (complete destruction)

paxonel:
ok 😀😀

So talk about yourself and what you think is Christianity don't speak for others!

MightySparrow:



Although, aditu is mystery not prophecy.

I am ready to learn, that is why I asked the question, so get the ball rolling.

Yes "Aditu" is Mystery but aren't all Prophecies a "Mystery" to all those listening but couldn't decipher the meanings of what they are hearing or the fulfilment of which is not for their age and time?

I will set the ball rolling shortly.

MightySparrow:

This is even filled with a lot of ambiguities because some scholars are saying Mohammed has nothing to do with Ishmael. His disciples are trying to foist the tribe and Ishmael on him

which scholar? mohammed is an arabian and arabians are half brothers to the israelites who are descendants of abraham. abraham beeing the father of both arabians/ ismaelites and israelites. there is no comfusion here.

MightySparrow:



Although, aditu is mystery not prophecy.

I am ready to learn, that is why I asked the question, so get the ball rolling.

The Vision of King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel Chapter 2 was a precursor the one Daniel himself had in Daniel Chapter 7. Daniel 7 is more detailed and even properly explained by Daniel as well as the Angel who interpreted the vision to Daniel in verse 16.

The gist of the prophecy is that there would arise in the world Four Empires/Kingdoms. This Kingdoms were described variously without naming them even though they had a name they call themselves.

The First of the Kingdom was Babylon who initially saw the vision (Read Daniel Chapter 2) it was the Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar who saw the vision and Daniel interpreted it to him when his own people couldn't. In the interpretation, Daniel told him what will happen to him and his Kingdom (Babylon)

Then Daniel proceeded to tell us what will happen to the Three other Kingdoms namely the Mede-Persian, the Grecian and the Roman Empire.

Daniel informed us that Babylon will come to an end at the hands of the Mede-Persian coalition and A KINGDOM SET UP BY GOD will end the Three Kingdoms remaining when Babylon is no more in Daniel 7 :18.

This will be accomplished by the SAINTS of the Most High.

And Elementary knowledge of World History will tell you that The Mede-Persian Empire put an end to Babylon, which Kingdom then dealt a mortal blow to the Mede-Persians, the Grecian and the Roman Kingdom. A note is necessary here. The Roman Empire still stands but surely it will fall. It is only a matter of time.

The Arabs Muslims Kingdom that emerged was the one that dealt a Mortal blow to these Kingdoms just as the Persians did to Babylon.

My next posts will take the verses one after the other for a detailed expose.

MightySparrow:



Although, aditu is mystery not prophecy.

I am ready to learn, that is why I asked the question, so get the ball rolling.

Daniel 7:1-5 (KJV) In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The Four Winds are Kingdoms.

The first being Babylon. (Verse 3). Wings plucked signifies the dismemberment of Babylon and lifted up and made to stand as a man and a man's heart giving to it means it will eventually recognize God. Read Daniel Chapter 2. Nebuchadnezzar accepted that the God of Israel is the true God. That is Man and manly. Recognize God .

The Second Beast was Mede -Persian Empire. Like a Bear with Three Ribs in its mouth simply show the Kingdom's influence for Persian influence straddles Asia, Europe and Africa.

MightySparrow:
You have not answered the question.

Ok

But if you think you have, let us examine the passage.
1. Jesus came in His Father's name. He was not accepted.

That was Jesus own statement.

2. Mohammed came in his own name ( self called, self sent prophet).

At least you can deduce this from that statement.

3. Even then, he was not accepted by Jews.

And to you the statement was targeted at the Jews only....

4. The verse says, ' if someone comes n his own name.'
This is conditional statement not a prophecy.

Smile.... What if another version didn't use

5. I think you qouted wrongly.

No! As you rightly deduce the part that Muhammad fulfilled.


Please give unambiguous bible references.
Thanks [/quote]