Tonye-t:


Man-the-changer: Pls explain?

Jeez-- Aight.

Mr. A is destined to be great--like super, duper, great; President-great. That's "God's plan" for his life.

Mr. A got into the high school/University and rolled with the wrong people. As a result of that, he deviated from his christian ways, and became a hardcore alcoholic.

Mr. A is got hit by a car due to his drunk state, and died.

We clear?

OLAADEGBU:

Your decision determines your destiny.

BABE!:

Jeez-- Aight.

Mr. A is destined to be great--like super, duper, great; President-great. That's "God's plan" for his life.

Mr. A got into the high school/University and rolled with the wrong people. As a result of that, he deviated from his christian ways, and became a hardcore alcoholic.

Mr. A is got hit by a car due to his drunk state, and died.

We clear?

musKeeto:

Lol, So Mr. A's actions were more influential than his supposed 'destiny'. If destiny were real, he would survive and get on with his life.

BABE!:

Jeez-- Aight.

Mr. A is destined to be great--like super, duper, great; President-great. That's "God's plan" for his life.

Mr. A got into the high school/University and rolled with the wrong people. As a result of that, he deviated from his christian ways, and became a hardcore alcoholic.

Mr. A is got hit by a car due to his drunk state, and died.

We clear?

BABE!:

I don't know if destiny is real or not. However, I know we, as humans can make choices. God gave us that freedom/liberty. He could have made robots instead of the first man and woman, and controlled them to do his will. BUT, he didn't. You're not forced to live according to his will and plan. He can force you, but he chooses not to.

So yh, I believe if destiny is real, we can change it.

BABE!:

^^ Exactly. I wouldn't know what his real/true destiny/fate is. But if being great is his destiny, you'll agree with me that he changed his destiny all by himself.

Tonye-t:

The word 'robot' on the issue of 'destiny' has been bastardized by many. As far as i see and understand man in the scheme of divinity we are nothing more than robots. . .yes robots with ability to take decisions and choices that IMO still add up to the 'divine script'.

musKeeto:

If God created us and gave us freewill, then it simply means no one has a destiny. U can't have a free choice and still have a destiny.

Life, for me is a bus station. So many buses, ITC, RTC :d heading in different directions. The one you get on depends on where you get to. Halfway there, you still have a choice to drop off and get on another bus heading back the way you came. Therefore, your ACTION influences your LATER OUTCOME( DESTINY).  your USE of your FREEWILL will create your ENDING (DESTINY)

BABE!:

I disagree. We are not robots. I don't think you know what a robot is. lol. Im not talking about the robots from the movie "I robot", I'm talking about robots that are totally controlled. They have no power to do their own will.

If robots can make their decisions, then that defeats the whole purpose of them being robots.

So in short, you think everything to going according to God's plan/script? The world as it is now is God's initial plan?

Lols. . .so what makes you think we arent similar to the i-robot thingy. Robot by definition means a machine capable of carrying out complex series of actions automatically as programmed by a designer.

Now tell me, what makes you think Man is any different from this robot carrying out complex series of actions. Robots are made of metals {not all though} and Man made of clay, robots function by the codes in them, Man(christian or sinner) functions by the breathe of God. . . are we then any different?

P.S Genesis 2:7 says the clay was called a MAN before the breathe came into him. . . meaning the breathe did not make the clay become a MAN rather the clay was a MAN before the breathe. Just like robots are robots before the code thingy. . . understand?

Humans are just too afraid to admit the truth! I understand, its a nAtUrAl thingy!

Tonye-t:

Lols. . .so what makes you think we arent similar to the i-robot thingy. Robot by definition means a machine capable of carrying out complex series of actions automatically as programmed by a designer.

Now tell me, what makes you think Man is any different from this robot carrying out complex series of actions. Robots are made of metals {not all though} and Man made of clay, robots function by the codes in them, Man(christian or sinner) functions by the breathe of God. . . are we then any different?

P.S Genesis 2:7 says the clay was called a MAN before the breathe came into him. . . meaning the breathe did not make the clay become a MAN rather the clay was a MAN before the breathe. Just like robots are robots before the code thingy. . . understand?

Humans are just too afraid to admit the truth! I understand, its a nAtUrAl thingy!

What's making you laugh, and why are you shinning teeth and winking? lol.

Errrm sweerat, let's get one thing straight. The divine script/robot theory is your theory; it's what you believe. That doesn't make it the truth.

There's nothing to be afraid to admit. I wouldn't mind the idea of God controlling my every move. Who am I to complain?

What does your reference to Gen 2:7 have to do with being a robot? God made the shape of a man from clay and his breath made it a living being----how is that a robotic reference?

Anyways, God is powerful and far too kind. He has good plans for everyone. He gave those chickens in Eden freewill and that messed his plans up. That caused a chain reaction till he had to bring his son to the world. Bringing his son solved parts of the "problem" (like Noah's ark) and It proved something; he loves us.

Through all these BS he still proves that he's God. That's the joyful part.  

Tonye-t:

Hi brother,

Long time! On the comment above, pls expantiate as related to Pharoah's fate, Esau's fate, and most importantly Iscariot's. Thanx

BABE!:

What's making you laugh, and why are you shinning teeth and winking? lol.

Errrm sweerat, let's get one thing straight. The divine script/robot theory is your theory; it's what you believe. That doesn't make it the truth.

There's nothing to be afraid to admit. I wouldn't mind the idea of God controlling my every move. Who am I to complain?

What does your reference to Gen 2:7 have to do with being a robot? God made the shape of a man from clay and his breath made it a living being----how is that a robotic reference?

Anyways, God is powerful and far too kind. He has good plans for everyone. He gave those chickens in Eden freewill and that messed his plans up. That caused a chain reaction till he had to bring his son to the world. Bringing his son solved parts of the "problem" (like Noah's ark) and It proved something; he loves us.

Through all these BS he still proves that he's God. That's the joyful part.  

musKeeto:

Hope this thread doesn't change to a 'Is there a God' thread, we're on the borders now,

BABE!:

It shouldn't. The topic is "Can we change our destiny?", not "Do you believe in destiny?"

Destiny is seen as the final outcome, independently of the events that precedes, which are inevitable and unchangeable per themselves, but as a sequence, could be arranged and rearranged in order to arrive to the final outcome.

There is the often confusing argument that individuals can choose their own destiny by selecting different "paths" throughout their life, even though the different courses of action the individuals take nonetheless lead to a very predetermined destiny.

To escape the contradiction (the incompatibility of philosophical terminology) of this argument and fully support the concept of destiny, most believe it necessary to declare and accept this notion of choice (free will) as illusion.

Another belief, known as Micaic Destiny, states that free will and destiny can coincide in harmony. This argument states that we all make only one unchangeable choice every moment. Simply because a certain choice will inevitably be made does NOT mean that we do not make our own decisions. This belief assumes that we have no power to accurately and precisely predict the future.

stildude:

I'll tell you guys a story that has been told several times before.  A man died and went to heaven. He met with angel gabriel and asked him a question. He asked  who the greatest war general that ever walked the face of the earth is. Angel Gabriel replied ''that's easy'' That man, pointing to a particular tomb stone. The man was surprised and thought honestly that the angel was wrong and he didn't hide it from him. He told the angel that he knew the man and he lived close to him on earth and that he was a poor plumber. Then, the angel replied '' it is because, he never got into the army hence he couldn't accomplish the destiny of the greatest warrior on earth''
So guys, you see, if you are born to be great or to become perhaps the greatest musician on earth but you never did develop those inherent talents wired in you to make you the greatest musician, rather, under pressure from your parents, you went and studied law. You may like to sing at home or whistle in your chamber. but that is how close you gonna get to being a musician.

musKeeto:

1. Is anyone not born to be great?

Everyone born is born with a potential. Whether that potential will be fulfilled is a different story. First of all the parents. Then the environment. Then later when he/she is old enough, the kid. Considering all the randomness involved in this, it's difficult to say one has a destiny.

Would you say those that ended up in the WTC had that as their destiny? Wasn't it evil actions that led them there? My point is if your belief in destiny only succeeds in making you irresponsible towards personal development and making a positive contribution to the world around you, then f**k it,