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Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Nobody: 1:22am On May 17, 2011
@ topic yes.
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 10:45pm On Feb 21, 2012
Read the story of black pharaohs here, it's covered in the National Geographic magazine.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/egypt-black-pharaohs-article-1.343865

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Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ogobara(m): 9:46pm On Dec 25, 2013
you know why people failed to accept this , it's bc the Black amerikkkcans hijacked this "Black" connotation, and most people think "black" , means the so called Blacks of north america. smiley
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ogobara(m): 9:53pm On Dec 25, 2013
Ndipe: Read the story of black pharaohs here, it's covered in the National Geographic magazine.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/egypt-black-pharaohs-article-1.343865
There is no such thing as "Black pharaoh"! it's a vain racist term , it's like saying "Yellow shaolin" ; the pharaohs were ancient Black North-East African Kings; racists want people to believe that Whites also were pharaohs, the non-Blacks invaders/ conquerors that claimed themselves as "pharaohs" did it by fantasy hundred years later,when the land/civilization was f*cked up. whites pathetic history thieves smiley
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Nobody: 11:02pm On Dec 25, 2013
Of course the ancient Egyptians were blacks. The western media via National Geographic etc are still busy deceiving themselves and their people with their pale-skinned fairytale version of Egypt though. I wonder when they'll finally give up on their sham renditions.
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by themoongoddess: 3:39pm On Dec 18, 2014
Jen33:
Toshmann did you REALLY ask for a 'source'??

Well, here are sources of various kinds, not just one. Happy reading and viewing!

 

Ancient Egyptian ethnographic "mural of the races" found in the tomb of Rameses III - Monuments from Egypt and Ethiopia by Karl Richard Lepsius (German: "Denkmaler aus Agypten und Athiopian"wink.  French Egyptologist Champollion found similar murals in other royal tombs. 
Left to right are the Egyptian, the Semite, Other Africans, and last the 'Nahasu' (barbarian) (white caucasian).

Black Africa in the ancient world was called Ethiopia.



"One Picture is worth more than ten thousand words." - Chinese Proverb

Catechism: "The Egyptians called their country Kemet or Black country."


Here's what the Ancient Egyptian language has to say (Ref: EHD, page 787b.):

Note: words inside brackets are the determinatives or word classifiers along with their English meanings.

Kem, kame, kmi, kmem, kmom = to be black

Kememu = Black people (Ancient Egyptians) in both Ancient and modern Egyptian (Kmemou).

Kem [khet][wood] = extremely black, jet-black

Kemet = any black thing. Note: "t" is silent - pronounced Kemé

Kemet [nu][community, settlement, nation] = Black nation = Ancient Egypt. 
 
Kemet [Romé][people] = Black people. Ancient Egyptians.


King Tutunkahamun (found in his tomb)




Queen Tiye (King Tut's mother)

Kemit [Shoit][books] = Black books, Ancient Egyptian literature. 

Kem wer [miri][large body of water] = The Great Black sea (The Red sea). This sea is neither black nor red, this is in reference to which nation, Black or Red, at a particular time, controlled this body of water.
(Interestingly, the ancient Egyptian word for water (miri) is the same used by Igbos (miri), and similar to Yorubas (o-mi).

Many other such linguistic connections abound.

Kemi fer = Black double house; seat of government. Note: by reference to Wolof again, we know that to make a plural of per or house, the "p" becomes an "f" or fer. Thus fero=great houses (double), it is not pero as Budge writes.

In Ancient Egyptian, the ordinary adjective always follows the noun it modifies, whereas a sanctified adjective usually comes before its noun.  The sanctified adjectives are:

Kem --  Black
Suten -  Royal
Nter ---  Holy, Sacred

Examples:

Kem ti = Black image, sacred image : ti oubash = white image 

Kem ho = Black face/title of a god   : ho oubash = white face 

Kem ta = Black land, holy land        : Ta deshret = Red land (also; Ta Sett)



Nefertiti. This was the result of an experiment by British experts who inputed the skull remains of the ancient queen into a cutting edge computer program to reproduce a  version of her original features.

Reportedly, the British experts nearly fell of their chairs in shock when the computer produced the image above.

According to the Ancient Egyptians, the second Egyptian ruling ethnic/class's ancestral homeland was Punt (Somalia).  They referred to this land as "Ta Nteru" ('Land of the gods').  To emphasize their Puntite origins, the Egyptians portrayed the Puntites in the exact same manner in which they portrayed themselves.



   This new ruling ethnic/class called themselves "Mesnitu" ('Metalw
workers/blacksmiths'), and was also referred to as "Shemsu Hor" ('Followers of Horus').

These Mesnitu had overthrown the original ruling ethnic/class, the Anu (those belonging to Osiris's ethnic group; and yes, Osiris was a real life personage), who had previously established its domination over all of Egypt through military conquest and political unification.  Their place of origin was "Ta Seti" ('Land of the Bow') in the Sudan. Gradually tradition would identify both Somalia and the Sudan as "Ta Khent" ('Land of the Beginning' or 'Ancestral land').

The answers to the questions "Where did the Ancient Egyptians come from?" or "What race were the Ancient Egyptians?" have already been given centuries ago, by the Ancient Egyptians themselves.

It isn't a surprise, however, that such relevant information on Ancient Egypt by the Ancient Egyptians themselves, is never mentioned in contemporary books about Ancient Egypt.





Just in case the Ancient Egyptians were confused or possibly mistaken as to what they were, here are some observations from,   

 
The Ancient Chronicles   
 

The KJV Bible
And the sons of Ham; Cush (Nubia), and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (East Africa), and Canaan (Palestine).  And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.  He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.    And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.  Genesis 10:6-10

And they (the sons of Judah upon entering Canaan) found fat pasture and good, and the land was wide, and quiet, and peaceable; for they of Ham had dwelt there of old.      I Chronicles 4:40

Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham, They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red Sea. Psalms 105:23, 106:21-22

And the lord said, like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia.  For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.  Isaiah 20:3, 43:3

And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down.  Ezekial 30:4

(Pharaoh's daughter)  I am black, and comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Song of Solomon  1

Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength and it was infinite. Nahum 3:9

Kebra Nagast (Ethiopian bible - "The Glory of Kings"wink
Solomon has taken a wife not of his color, who is moreover black, for he has married the daughter of Pharaoh.

The Greek Chronicles

Herodotus (Called 'The father of history' by western historians.

Origins of the Oracle of Dodona

At Dodona, however, the priestesses who deliver the oracles have a different version of the story: two black doves, they say, flew away from Thebes in Egypt, and one of them alighted at Dodona, the other in Libya (Africa), The story which the people of Dodona tell about the doves came, I should say, from the fact that the women were foreigners, whose language sounded to them like the twittering of birds, As to the bird being black, they merely signify by this that the woman was Egyptian. -book II

Colchians are of Egyptian Descent
But it is undoubtedly a fact that the Colchians are of Egyptian descent, My own idea on the subject was based on the fact that they have black skins and wooly hair, and secondly, and more especially, on the fact that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians are the only races which from ancient times have practiced circumcision. -book II

Aristotle

''Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians.  But those who are excessively white are also cowards as can be seen from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two -Physiognomy'' 6

Diodorus of Sicily

Origins of the Egyptians
''The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies, which was led into Egypt by Osiris.  They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent, They add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws.'' -Universal History, book III

Colossi of Memnon
These are two colossal seated statues of Pharaoh Amenhotep III in western Thebes.  At dawn, the northern statue emitted a whistling sound.  Ancient Greeks who visited the statue called it the 'vocal Memnon', thinking the figure represented the Homeric character Memnon, singing to his mother Eos, the goddess of the dawn.

Memnon was an Ethiopian king who went to troy to help Priam, his uncle, and was killed by Achilles.

   To the Ancient Greeks; Egyptian - Ethiopian - same thing.


Ancient clues found in Egypt:







(I sure know whites or 'arabs' don't use these)



When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of The Sphinx of Giza.


This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced.

"Israel also came into Egypt, the land of Ham." (Psalm 105: 23).



Pharoah Menkaure (Third Dynasty)


King Usekafe




Egyptian priest


Man from Old Kingdom


Egyptian priest 2nd dynasty


King Nyamare Amenhemet (2nd Dynasty)


Pharoah Hotepsekhami


Pharoah Djoser


Queen Hatshepshu


Pharoah Peri Anku IVth


Rameses II


King Amenehmet III ''The dreadlocked Pharaoh''.


Toshmann, if you need more ''sources'', let me know!

One last thing. Because of the western/arab conspiracy to shield the truth of the African nature of Ancient Egypt, you will notice that many of the statues have their noses chiselled off, or sawn off. But the stubbornly negroid base of the noses displays the truth.  grin

Many of the practices of the Egyptians which western historians term ''strange'' are actually African customs. Circumcision, the divinity of kings, matrilineal succession, bride price, pouring of libation, festivals, naming ceremonies, elaborate burials, to name a few.

Of course if you look around the world, who are the only people who practise these things in their entirety till today, not black Africans?

Egypt fell to foreign hands first with the invasion of the Greeks, led by Alexander 'The Great', who sacked the country and had thousands of Africans migrating southwards. This is why many traditions in West Africa ascribe a Nile Valley origin of one form or another to their histories. Many African groups have the tradition of having migrated from the land of the great river, 

Following Alexander's conquest in 30 BC, Ptolemy, the Greek, became ruler of Egypt.

By then the pyramids were already ancient relics, having been constructed between 5000 to 2000 BC.

So you may find recent Greek like sculptures of 'Egyptian' aristocrats, such as Cleopatra, but these are from what is known as the Late Period, starting from a few years BC, when Egypt had fallen under Greek rule.

Then in 600AD,  Egypt was overrun by Arabs, leading to further emigration of blacks southwards.

It is believed by Yorubas that this was the period Oduduwa led his people down to Nigeria, to escape the Islamic hordes bent on converting them away from their religion,

This is why Cairo, Alexandra etc today are Arab cities, with no real connection to the history of the place.

And this is why outside of those two cities even today in Egypt, you're more or less in black Africa.



You are one of the most intelligent people here. smiley
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by igbo2011(m): 11:08pm On Dec 23, 2014
Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by toshmann(m): 10:55pm On Dec 31, 2014
themoongoddess:

You are one of the most intelligent people here. smiley
I bow for the guy. That was back in the days when nairaland was a center of ibtellectual exchange of ideas.

Not anymore

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