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| Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Nobody: 9:52pm On Feb 12, 2012 |
Just had a heated discussion with a friend after he claimed the Binis originated from the Yorubas, hence why the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man. I wanted to eat him raw. Please enlighten a poor sister, who wants to know more, about the origin of this sheer ignorance. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 10:42pm On Feb 12, 2012 |
since when did it become okay for you to have male friends, let alone having a discussion with him? and btw, where did this discussion take place? i better hope it is not in one dark corner for una backyard when u suppose don dey sleep. im going to tell mummy for u. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Nobody: 10:47pm On Feb 12, 2012 |
Haba wetin I do? Abeg o nor tell my mama. Please do you have any info concerning this issue? What do you think? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by AndreUweh(m): 12:05am On Feb 13, 2012 |
The early writers of Bini history claimed that the monarchy established in Bini today is from Oraminyan-a descendant of Oduduwa (the progenitor of the Yoruba race). The earliest known work of Bini history was done by Egharevba who made the above assertion. Egharevba though a Bini man had a Yoruba mother and grew up in Yorubaland. Binis believe that Egharevba's account is influenced by his Yoruba upbringing. They have rebutted this account. But recently, the current Bini monarch has published a book where he stated the true account of Bini monarchy and history. His account is that the entire story is the other way round. There is no other person to give account of his people other than His Royal Highness-Oba Erediuwa 11. @the O.P, do not see what you discussed with those chaps as a land grab act but just that the truth has been hidden from them until recently. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by rabzy: 1:26pm On Feb 13, 2012 |
The Binis never originated from the Yorubas and Vice versa neither did they come from any yorubaland, The link and controversy centres around the monarchy. The fact from both stories is that Oranmiyan - an ife man and son/grandson of oduduwa - fathered a son with a Benin princess, Eweka 1. So the current benin monarchy started from there. The Benin version says the monarchy is still a continuation of the old Ogiso line, because the prince that ran away Ekalerdehan is the same as Oduduwa and that was why they could allow his son to rule over them. But whatever which version is right, the Binis pre-dated Oranmiyan, they even predate the Ogiso dynasty. The Yorubas also existed before the coming of Oduduwa. Oduduwa is Unique because he fathered so many royal lineage in Southwest. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by amor4ce(m): 1:33am On Feb 14, 2012 |
OP, your account of that discussion is the first time I've come across such an argument from a Yoruba person. My opinion is that the Yoruba and Benin peoples may have migrated together to this part of Africa and then at some point went their separate ways. I see the Yoruba and Edo as brothers hence the closecultural relationships including the request by the Edo for a Yoruba King/Judge. The arguments about the origin of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan and the Edo monarchy are to me based on unnecessary ascendancy sentiments. As for those claiming that Oduduwa is Edo, they should consider the use of the word "Odu" by the Yoruba even as prefixes in many Yoruba names today. Are they saying that the bearers of those names are Edo? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by ifyalways(f): 11:39am On Feb 15, 2012 |
Ok,where Is Oga Physics when you need him? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by rabzy: 12:26pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
amor4ce: I share the same opinion that most of us in Nigeria migrated from the same area over time, or parted along the way. I see all humans as brothers especially those that share boundaries and most likely are closely related. Asking for a prince from some other people to come and rule over you would need more than being closely related especially if you have not been previously conquered by the said people. I have not heard of it happening amongst even the yoruba dynasties, where possibly the Alaafin family would request that a prince from Ibadan or Ife should come and rule over them, when there are other royal princes, that could continue the lineage. So it would be a very rare occurrence, the most likely solution would be to take from another royal line of the same people, possibly brothers of the king, uncles etc. But if there is a chance that the son's king is alive somewhere. The logical step would be to try and get him back. The Benin Story said his name was Ekalerderhan not Oduduwa, So the Odu in those names could be an all Yoruba source. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by amor4ce(m): 10:28pm On Feb 15, 2012 |
If there was a quagmire and the people consulted God for the solution using the Odu Ifa, such request for a king would have been made and accepted if that was the solution provided by Him. This was the case with Benin/Oranmiyan, and the Itsekiri monarchy as well. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by DuduNegro: 9:20am On Feb 17, 2012 |
This dispute was started by Oba Benin in something less than 20yrs ago to rewrite a history of more than a century old. What spurred his action? The new order of political indepoendence . . . .a new mentality in the Nigerian political turf for self-independence and to break from under the subservient role which often is never celebrated in our society and is viwed as a mark of slavery or servitude to others. To resolve the dispute. . . .here are his children and they still exist. To resolve dispute over a family issue, you get the view from the members. People needing to know should ask the other six what they think of Bini's claim. Olowu of Owu Alaketu of Ketu Omo N'Oba of Bini Ila of Òràngún Onisabe of Sabe Olupopo of Popo Alaafin of Oyo 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 1:53pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
Omo N'Oba of Bini and oh btw, the correct traditional title is omo n'oba n'edo not omo n'oba of bini. "of" is a euro-word that was inserted by europeans and the title "oba of benin" is a euro-kpotoki corruption more than 500yrs ago but how dare i attempt to correct it since it was "written" over half a millennia ago even before yoruba version. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by yme1(f): 4:24pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
No the Benin's never originated from the yoruba but were once ruled by a yoruba man Oduduwa had sixteen children we were told and the eldest was Orangun of Ila and the Egbas in Abeokuta were descendants of the female child of Oduduwa named Alaketu. None ever disputed the fact that Oranmiyan the last born of Oduduwa also ruled the Benin Kingdom. Why did Benin or Edos allowed the last child of Oduduwa to be made a king over them or his descendants through Eweka 1st, if there was no blue blood connection? Oba of Benin gave a detail account of fact of history that are very difficult to dispute. The Yoruba share so many things in common with the Edo’s in names and culture, which must be part of the reason why it is very difficult to dispute the version Omo noba polo polo Oba of Benin. Again, in the Bible, Adam and Eve who were believed to be the first human creation by God never told or shown Cain the only surviving child the Garden of Eden where God created them, just like Oduduwa never shown the place and real evidence how he was created by God. The idea of a rain and dove as the method of earth creation sounds more like magic than real. Archeologically, the Yoruba race is not more than 2000 years meaning other tribes excited before the Oduduwa appearance. None availability of any other serious fact to negate this lend credibility to Oba Benin’s version in which he the Oba of Benin himself has not proved positively where the Edo’s also came from. Did the Edo’s also come from heaven? Or emerged from the Igbos that often regarded themselves as the lost tribe of Israel? Why does is necessary to bury the head of any late Oba of Benin at Ile Ife or why is it compulsory to receive the blessing of Ooni before a King or Oba is crowned in Benin. All these are missing gaps of facts and history, which the academic institutions must trash. Aside from the above both versions of History from Oba of Benin and Yoruba agreed that Oramiyan the last son of Oduduwa returned to Ife from Benin after he installed his son, Eweka the first as Oba of Benin after he became frustrated with the strange land. He met his father Oduduwa who was very advanced in age and blind more also, all properties had been shared and distributed among his fifteen brothers and sisters. Alternatively, seven brothers according to Oba of Benin, Oduduwa was at a dilemma on what to do because he assumed Benin Kingdom would be enough inheritance for Oranmiyan. Both versions of history agreed that the name Benin meant “the land of the annoyed” because Oranmiyan left the place in annoyance. Could it be said that Benin had another name before Oranmiyan went there? What was the name? Does it have anything to do with the destruction of the Edo Empire or can we say Oranmiyan actually founded the Benin Kingdom, which must be the reason why he changed the name of the city to Benin? Oba of Benin comment on the Edo’s checking the secrecy of Oranmiyan led to his abdication of the thrown for his son is not convincing enough taking into consideration the attitude of Oranmiyan who was believed to be ruthless, one would have thought he would have handled the issue in different method. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 7:04pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
^ so why would oranmiyan leave in annoyance if he was actually able to successfully found the benin kingdom? who successfully creates a kingdom and then leaves it? even oduduwa who btw was ekaladeran the bini prince never left ife after he became successful. so wot prompted oranmiyan to leave? and when leaving, he didnt even leave happily but left in annoyance? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 7:13pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
 methinks the reason oranmiyan left in annoyance was because he was chased outta the great bengazzi just like the biafrans were chased out in recent times and they are still whining till date and enjoy calling it the city of blood the oba was just being "polite" with his words of why oranmiyan left benin. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by DuduNegro: 9:55pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
Oba of Benin gave a detail account of fact of history that are very difficult to dispute. There are several Obas in the line. . . which one gave this history you reference as truthful or factual? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by amor4ce(m): 11:17pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
Oranmiyan did not found the Benin kingdom nor did he change its name. Calling Edo as Benin is in my opinion the same as calling Japan the land of the rising Sun. From what I've heard something was happening in the palace and in the kingdom and the assistance of an Ifa priest was sought in consulting the Omnipotent for the answer which had to do with the recommendation of a judge (Oranmiyan) from Ife to resolve the matters at hand. The Ifa priest might not have been a Yoruba person but Edo persons also use it. My take is that the Yoruba and Edo have the same ancestor. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by ThiefOfHearts(f): 11:23pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
You seriously arent aware of the connection in history, michelin? LOL you should have made this thread BEFORE getting into the fight  |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by DuduNegro: 11:49pm On Feb 17, 2012 |
Nobody said Oranmiyan found the kingdom or that Edo and Bini people are Yoruba. The fact remains that the crown and the staff of the monarch are regalia from Ife. It's a Yoruba throne! Bini is not a Yoruba city, neither is Edo a Yoruba people. . . but their king is Yoruba by blood. C'est finis!  |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by yme1(f): 9:13pm On Feb 18, 2012 |
exotik:some accounts say Oranmiyan left Benin in annoyance as a result of the discord amongst his subjects. This inspired the name Ile Ibinu  which was corrupted to Benin. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 10:18pm On Feb 18, 2012 |
y me: this even makes him look more weak because it shows he was a weak leader could not unite the people he was supposedly ruling over, that he had to abandon the throne in annoyance and ran back home to daddy in ife. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by aljharem(m): 10:20pm On Feb 18, 2012 |
exotik: what part of edo are you from ? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by exotik: 10:24pm On Feb 18, 2012 |
why u wan know? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by odumchi: 8:17am On Feb 19, 2012 |
The Edo kingdom predates the Oyo empire so the question should be when did the Edo give birth to the Yoruba (if it should even be asked). Taking a step back, this idea of a single man founding two ethnicities within the span of a few centuries sounds crazy. At most, Oduduwa (if he ever existed) was probably a man who had several sons who went out and founded towns of their own. These sons then became significant figures and the tale of their ancestry spread over the area. Over the centuries, their story could have been twisted and exaggerated into what we have today. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Chyz2: 4:16pm On Feb 22, 2012 |
[size=13pt]ODUDUWA- THE IGALA ORIGIN[/size] If you ask any elderly person in Igala land for the meaning of “Oduduwa” they tell you it means “He was brought by God” thus supporting the Yoruba myth that Oduduwa dropped from the sky but the Igala oral tradition has it that he was a Benin Prince who lost his right to the throne and crossed the river Niger to Igala land. He was found wondering in the bush by Igala hunters and brought to the Attah who couldn’t establish his origin as Oduduwa refuced to do so. Attah passed a verdict that he should be allowed to stay and called him “Ene k ondu du wa” meaning “the one brought by God”. Oduduwa founded “Ife” in the present day Omala Local Government, he married and had many children for he exclaimed “Ola mi fe todu le ojo gbu mi” meaning “I am clean that is why God saved me”. Oduduwa learned the language and spoke it with his wives and children. As a prince from Benin even in a foreign land, he still yearned for a royal role which he could not achieve in Igala land thus he migrated westwards to establish his own dynasty and dwelt in present day “Ile Ife” in Osun State. Later on in Igala history, his descendants still wanted a royal role thus they tried taking the Attahship by force many times and many times they failed thus their titled “Ojogba” in reference to God’s intervention if not they would have because the Attah. The “Ojogba” is the only Igala Chief that does not bow to the Attah. The Yoruba myth of a man from the heaven’s should be thrown out as it was propagated by Europeans and early Yoruba scholars. As various Igala scholars got more information on Igala history, especially from oral traditions, the story of Oduduwa’s Igala origin is beginning to come to light. According to anthropologist, migration does not take place from the south to the north so the Yoruba’s can never be the parent stock of the Igala nation as early scholars propagated, it should be the other way round. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Chyz2: 4:24pm On Feb 22, 2012 |
From an Igala friend. Let me tell you a story. The name Oduduwa in Igala means the Lord brought him. Oduduwa was discovered in some part of Igalaland (now in modern day Omala local govt) by Igala hunters who went hunting from Idah. These hunters captured oduduwa and brought him to the Attah of Igala. He (Oduduwa) was later released and resettled at Omala. Oduduwa was such a neat man that his environment became the neatest in the whole of Igala land. This place was later named Abejukolo-Ife (Ife means neat in Igala). According to the story, the gods rewarded his cleanliness by directing him to a new land which was more fertile and had a better vegetation than Abejukolo-Ife. His discovery of this new land was viewed as d reward for his cleanliness. The new land was named ILE-IFE (meaning gains/profit of neatness) |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by amor4ce(m): 9:45pm On Feb 22, 2012 |
So Igala used to have a reputation for filth? When and where have the Yoruba ever claimed to be the parents of the Igala? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Chyz2: 6:45pm On Feb 23, 2012 |
amor4ce: The Igala version puts the final piece in place to close the story. It makes complete sense. |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Nobody: 6:46am On Feb 24, 2012 |
@ topic Ignorance and misinformation |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by macof(m): 6:12pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Yoruba and Edo(including urhobo) have the same ancestry...however we crossed paths again about 800yrs ago through oduduwa, a legend who Bini says was a runaway prince, after being set up and cheated. One thing is Yoruba history doesn't say where he came from all we know is that the king was a prince and he came from the northeast with a team and nt alone...Bini isn't northeast and their account suggest he entered Ife alone. So unless he settled somewhere northeast of Ife and became a war general of some sort the Bini account doesn't fit in |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Nobody: 8:43pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
macof: So you agree with the Igala account? |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by macof(m): 1:11am On Nov 23, 2014 |
ofsegs: Of course not, I am Yoruba and this page is the first place I've come across this. Could be a recent made up tale |
| Re: Why Do Some Yorubas Like Claiming The Binis Originated From Yorubaland? by Nobody: 2:42pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
macof: Like the way the Binis tried to fill the loopholes in the Oduduwa story with their Ekaladerhan's tale. This particular one just does not fit in. The Binis said Ekaladerhan went west and Idah is located East of Benin. How did he now found himself in Idah? |
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