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Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by joanana(f): 7:37am On Mar 31, 2012
denzel2009:

BB is not really for fashion but a business tool. They were being greedy going the consumer way, they should have focused on their unique selling point and core competency which is data security and stick to corporate customers. They are the most secured mobile platform out there. Government of countries like UAE, Russia etc had agreement with RIM to relax the security so as to monitor activities.

Organisations that are security conscious like the MI5, FBI and CIA deploy BES where data is encrypted end-to-end and unhackable. More reason, you can't see the Obamas of this world with iPhones and Androids that can be jailbroken or rooted to gain admin privileges.

Who told u that bb is secure? Sorry it has been hacked. Check d weblink below
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-09/tech/london.rioting_1_blackberry-messenger-uk-police-hacking-group?_s=PM:TECH
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 7:40am On Mar 31, 2012
I'm gonna admit though, fullscreen devices like the i's and droids are good for gaming and ish, but the BlackBerry is (obviously) targeted at the corporate, and security-conscious individual. It's the phone device of choice for many heads-of-states and security outfits like somebody above me rightly said.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by texazzpete(): 7:43am On Mar 31, 2012
Akainzo: That reportis very much false. It does not reflect the contents and speech of the RIM CEO at the earnings call earlier today.

People saying that RIM is dying are quite misinformed. They might mot be making as much billions as Apple, but as of the last earnings call they still made $20Billiom,
Also their subscriber base increased by 10Million in the last quarter alone. Sure they are losing market share in the North American market, but they are still strong worldwide they are still the number 1 phone in UK and very much expanding in the Asian and African markets.

Yes the PlayBook is not such a success like the iPad but it still sold enormously than the Asus Transformer Prime.

RIM is struggling but dying is an overkill

Revenue was $4.2 billion not $20 billion.

The North American market is vastly more important than any gains made in developing nations. Americans buy expensive BBs, developing nations buy more of the cheap Curves. It doesn't matter much if RIM is the leader in Indonesia when they're falling badly in the US.

I agree that 'dying' is an overkill, but they are in more dire straits than you think.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 7:45am On Mar 31, 2012
For a guy that hacks out 20 200-word emails in a day, on the go; for the Facebook freak with 2k+ friends, nothing beats the BlackBerry keyboard. For the data-conscious consumer, nothing beats BlackBerry compression technology. And RIM knows that.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by dont8(m): 8:12am On Mar 31, 2012
maxjax: Research in slow motion
Research in motionless
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by sylve11: 8:19am On Mar 31, 2012
so far so good they can park their load and go. . . . grin grin grin cool
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by denzel2009: 8:42am On Mar 31, 2012
joanana:

Who told u that bb is secure? Sorry it has been hacked. Check d weblink below
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-09/tech/london.rioting_1_blackberry-messenger-uk-police-hacking-group?_s=PM:TECH

Hacking their blog online is different from hacking the device.

all4naija: Lol @ your fallacy!

falla kini?
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by mekaboy(m): 9:31am On Mar 31, 2012
HA HA HA HA, I KNEW IT, I SAID IT, WHEN THEY PRODUCED THAT RUBBISH PORSCHE , I KNEW THEY HAVE LOST IT. THEY SHOULD PRAY THAT ANDROID AND APPLE DONT INTRODUCE THEIR OWN PIN. THAT WILL BE THE END OF BLACKBERRY .
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Akainzo(m): 12:00pm On Mar 31, 2012
mekaboy: HA HA HA HA, I KNEW IT, I SAID IT, WHEN THEY PRODUCED THAT RUBBISH PORSCHE , I KNEW THEY HAVE LOST IT. THEY SHOULD PRAY THAT ANDROID AND APPLE DONT INTRODUCE THEIR OWN PIN. THAT WILL BE THE END OF BLACKBERRY .

You are so uninformed and inept to think it is just only all about PIN!!! What do you think IOS has been using to drive the facetime and message apps?
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Akainzo(m): 12:08pm On Mar 31, 2012
hamsky: When I say BB is poo some daft people dat know nothing about Tech open their mouth to say that it is the best phone in the world cos of the silly BB bandwagon in Naija..........very soon they'll go burst and all BBs will be useless....watch and see.

If you actually know anything about tech as you so allude to, you would not have written the above.

I know you can use google, do a smallresearch on RIM and tech innovations around mobile phones and see what you come up with.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by chucky234(m): 12:20pm On Mar 31, 2012
I often wonder how people here jumped into conclusion,I watch the RIM conference yesterday and there was never a time they stated abandoning the consumer market.
I own a bold4,iphone 4s and amazing HTC android 2.3 phones but I still cherish my BB above the iphone and android because its unrivalled when it comes to business enterprises and security.
Iphone is current facing rebuke in Europe for the poor performances of their 4s but nobody is talking about that, you should also know that all Apple's products are manufactured by third party companies in China like Foxconn.
The only company that can compete with RIM is HTC who build more better phones than Apple's iphones.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 1:10pm On Mar 31, 2012
chucky234: I often wonder how people here jumped into conclusion,I watch the RIM conference yesterday and there was never a time they stated abandoning the consumer market.
I own a bold4,iphone 4s and amazing HTC android 2.3 phones but I still cherish my BB above the iphone and android because its unrivalled when it comes to business enterprises and security.
Iphone is current facing rebuke in Europe for the poor performances of their 4s but nobody is talking about that, you should also know that all Apple's products are manufactured by third party companies in China like Foxconn.
The only company that can compete with RIM is HTC who build more better phones than Apple's iphones.
Don't mind these guys joor. I dont know where all these BB haters get their bile from. What is it? That you love Iphones etc, doesnt mean everyone should use it. Why cant we just leave everyone to his choice? For people like me that cant stay without a QWERTY keypad,how do you want me to dump blackberry? I hate touchscreen and as such,Iphones and HTCs are not and will never be my thing. I own three phones and they are all QWERTY. Leave us with RIM,IF they die we can always move to other qwerty providers.
Well,you guys can keep prophesying about RIM's obliteration but thing is,5 years time we'll still be going through this argument. Remember what was said about Nokia? After 6 years,they are still here!
Ironically,people hate BB but they want to get their phones to do what a BB does..(whatsapp,insert others here..)

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Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 1:12pm On Mar 31, 2012
^ True dat!
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by mekaboy(m): 1:43pm On Mar 31, 2012
PLEASE WHAT SECURITY DOES 99% OF BLACKBERRY USERS IN NIGERIA REQUIRE? BESIDES THE PIN WHICH ENABLES PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WITH THE PHYSICAL HARDWARE ADDRESS RATHER THAT THE PHONE NUMBER. WHAT ELSE DO PEOPLE IN NIGERIA USE BLACKBERRY PHONES FOR ?

TRUST ME, IF ANDROID HAD THE SAME TECHNOLOGY WHICH WOULD ENABLE ANDROID OS USERS SHARE THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS (PIN) , AS A METHOD OF COMMUNICATION, I SEE NO REASON ANYONE WOULD LEAVE A SAMSUNG GALAXY S2, HTC, GOOGLE NEXUS FOR WHATEVER BLACKBERRY IS THE OUT THERE.

FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE SAYING SECURITY AND ALL THAT, WHAT SECURITY FEATURE HAVE U BEEN MAKING USE OF ON BB THAT YOU CANT ACCESS ON ANDROID ?
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by denzel2009: 1:51pm On Mar 31, 2012
^^^^When all you do on blackberry is to log on to Nairaland, facebook and 2go, you can't appreciate the importance of security.

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Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by mekaboy(m): 2:35pm On Mar 31, 2012
LIKE I SAID PEOPLE KEEP SHOUTING SECURITY THAT THEY DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND. PLS EXPLAIN THE SECURITY AND GIVE EXAMPLES, DONT BE SHOUTING SECURITY .
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 2:53pm On Mar 31, 2012
Ask Obama, ask Putin, ask the CIA, ask MI5. But dude, seriously, what's your beef with BlackBerry?
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 3:00pm On Mar 31, 2012
BlackBerry encryption 'too secure': National security vs. consumer privacy

By Zack Whittaker | July 29, 2010, 11:36am PDT

Summary: India’s intelligence services cannot intercept BlackBerry encrypted data, citing this as a risk to national security. What’s more important: national security, or consumer privacy - and why?
Research in Motion, the creator of the widely used enterprise-come-consumer BlackBerry device, has an uncertain position in India.
The Indian government’s internal security and intelligence services cannot break the encryption of the device, which makes countering terror threats and national security matters difficult - especially for a region which faces constant threats and attacks from domestic Maoist insurgents and extremist Islamic groups.
Nearly two years ago, around 170 people were killed in the 2008 Mumbai attacks which lasted two days, and was reported primarily by citizens on the ground through citizen journalism; posting updates toTwitter and Facebook through their mobile devices.
*. Read more: Mumbai attacks coverage demostrates (good and bad) maturation point of social media (ZDNet)
Another issue RIM faces is the concernof the United Arab Emirates which claims that BlackBerry phones’ data being stored overseas and outside the legal territory of the UAE not only violates their law, but makes it difficult or impossible to ensure national security by intercepting potentially vital terror-combating intelligence.
Update (1st August 2010, 12:55 GMT): The BBC confirmed via the UAE’s statemedia that come October, all half a million BlackBerry users in the region will have some services suspended unless a “solution compatible with local laws is reached”, amid national security concerns.
The encryption key developed by BlackBerry’s manufacturers was partly designed to ensure secrecy during corporate business deals as so they were not compromised.
Now consumers have jumped on the BlackBerry bandwagon, this poses a wider issue for less-developed or funded intelligence services.
*. Read more: India ‘warns BlackBerry over security threat’
*. Read more: RIM vs. Indian government continues (ZDNet)
*. Read more: BlackBerry seen as major security threat in UAE
As a criminology student focusing andspecialising in areas of terrorism, specifically the use of technology within terror organisations and the use of social media, I can see this in two minds in regards to this:
1. RIM wants to ensure user privacy, but of course wouldn’t want a terror attack to take place at any given place or time.
2. India also wants to prevent such terror attacks, but it’s losing the battle by not being able to read highly encrypted data.
It’s a tricky one, I will admit.
India faces a multitude of terror threats , just as many fast-developingeconomies and countries around the world. The increased use in technology to better communications in order to orchestrate acts of terror are clearly being used as the rest of ordinary society does.
India’s intelligence services need to be able to access encrypted data to prevent attacks in a ‘constant setting’: where attacks are likely and have occurred regularly. The ability for governments to intercept or read data sent to and from their citizens is common place in Western societies.
The NSA for the US and GCHQ for the UK are two common examples of these. But better resources and technologies allow encryption to be broken - regardless of RIM’s intervention or preventative measures.
The US and the UK have had very few terrorist attacks since September 11th, as a benchmark, though not proving a connection between intercepted data and preventing attacks, but makes the case more likely.
Text messages are not secure. Phone calls are not secure. Emails sent via Exchange and POP/IMAP are generallynot secure, though BlackBerry emails are considered so .
BlackBerry Messenger, however, is secure. It’s so secure, that though China has state controlled press and broadcasting media, along with issuesof censorship and Internet filtering, even data sent across BlackBerry Messenger cannot be read by the Chinese government. This, of course, makes it highly popular with their booming younger generation of users(so a RIM spokesperson told me).
With consumer privacy being a constant hot topic, especially in the rise of publicly available data and the need to share your own information to gain others - social networking being a prime example, the individual right to privacy of communications takes personal precedence.
So interestingly, it boils down to diplomatic tit-for-tat. I am fully awarethat my own government of which I helped in democratically electing monitors my communications in a secure, fair and justified way. Though my government expects a terrorist attack, we haven’t had a successful one since the 2007 Glasgow Airport bombing of which no civilians died.
One civilian beat the living crap out of a flaming terrorist though.
But those in an area of uncertainty around terrorism and national security, the need to accept certain ‘breaches’ in civil liberties are almost necessary to prevent societal damage. Of course, there is a line to be crossed, and only local culture can determine that as so.
I’ll bite. I’ll ask the million dollar question, and anything goes. What’s more important: national security, or consumer privacy - and why?
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/blackberry-encryption-too-secure-national-security-vs-consumer-privacy/5732
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 3:05pm On Mar 31, 2012
UK intelligence agency 'recommends' BlackBerry for security; iPhones still banned


By Zack Whittaker | April 12, 2011, 11:02am PDT


Summary: A UK intelligence agency says the BlackBerry is secure enough to run in government. But who falls short on the security scale? The iPhone; still banned in government.

GCHQ’s Communications and Electronics Security Group (CESG), partof the UK’s intelligence agency network, which tests security for government departments and their devices, says that the BlackBerry device is secure enough for government operations .

Last year, the UK Government banned iPhones in all departments because CESG could verify its security and therefore cannot approve the device to handle sensitive government documents.

iPhones are still banned in government, because they are simply not secure enough, or not yet proved to be as such.

Specifically, the security aspect falls to BlackBerry Enterprise Server, which operates the corporate, non-consumer email solution, where India and many other countries with internal and domestic terrorism troubles are trying to ban .

No specific guidance has yet been issued for tablet devices. But, if the PlayBook offers the same level of encryption and security that the BlackBerry smartphone does , no doubt CESG will offer similar, if not the same level of guidance.

Government issued BlackBerrys use 3DES and AES for data traffic and AES to encrypt local data, assuring that data up to ‘RESTRICTED’ is protected from prying eyes and thefts; data that is not too damaging to national security or ongoing operations.

If the BlackBerry is secure enough for the British government, it’s certainly secure enough for businesses. Perhaps this in itself finally quells the long running myth that ‘governments can tap into smartphones’. Certainly not all, it seems.
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/uk-intelligence-agency-recommends-blackberry-for-security-iphones-still-banned/9432?tag=rbxccnbzd1
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by denzel2009: 3:07pm On Mar 31, 2012
mekaboy: LIKE I SAID PEOPLE KEEP SHOUTING SECURITY THAT THEY DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND. PLS EXPLAIN THE SECURITY AND GIVE EXAMPLES, DONT BE SHOUTING SECURITY .

If your android/iphone is stolen by a knowledgeable thief, he can attach this device to his computer and use some tools to circumvent the passcode and get access to your pictures, documents and other vital information stored on it. Whereas, if you apply proper security setting on Blackberry and this same thief circumvents the password, the data- your whorish pictures, your late night shenanigans with ladyboys stored on the phone memory and media card would be unreadable.

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Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 3:12pm On Mar 31, 2012
Ladyboys! Hahaha! Lol!
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by adconline(m): 3:15pm On Mar 31, 2012
RIM reminds me of PALM that is about to be eaten up by innovation and competition!
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 4:35pm On Mar 31, 2012
blame CANADA grin grin grin grin
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by tpia@: 7:21pm On Mar 31, 2012
I remember the days of palm pilot. . . . . .
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by Nobody: 7:39pm On Mar 31, 2012
^ Dude how old are you? You must be an ancient. Grandpa!
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by emsquare(m): 7:49pm On Mar 31, 2012
Okay!

texazzpete: This is false report and a thorough misunderstanding of RIM's statement today.

RIM WILL refocus on their enterprise bread and butter but will also continue with the consumer market.

What the Ceo meant was that RIM would abandon such plans like BBM Music and plans for video stores etc that were not likely to make it big. Instead of a lame BBM music service for example, it would serve RIM better to partner with Amazon for music on the BBs.

Hope this clears things up. BB 10 phones are coming this year ending and are aiming squarely at the consumer market.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by silentc(m): 10:58pm On Mar 31, 2012
The responses on this thread goes to show why RIM is focusing on the enterprise market and less on the consumer market. The Blackberry was never a consumer market product, but it tried to go there and lost.

RIM started with an enterprise solution (BES - Blackberry Enterprise Server) for proving email to corporate devices (Blackberry handsets). The characteristics of the phones back then were driven by enterprise users. They provided a secure solution with features that suited the enterprise business (e.g the phone could be remotely wiped if lost etc).

Now, consumers are driven by a different set of requirement. The iPhones and Android phones have done a better job of hitting these requirements. No doubt.

The issue now is that the trend is moving towards enterprise users (businesses etc) who want to use the same device they use in their personal life for their business (to get email etc). The concept of BYOD (bring your own device) is growing in North America and Europe (and this goes beyond handsets, we are now seeing tablets and user's bringing their own laptops etc). Newer technologies are now allowing users to securely access their corporate environment (emails etc) with the users own device which they are comfortable with. Hence the drive of the iPhones and Androids in the enterprise market.

While RIM still has a good footing in the enterprise market (the US govt still has them as the only approved solution for email on handheld device), this will soon change based on the fact that BYOD will drive changes which will not be in their favour.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by tpia@: 11:22pm On Mar 31, 2012
one of the write ups i read was talking about the R& D department.

Blackberry seems to not have caught up with current trends in the information technology market.

This is the same trend I see on nl if care is not taken.

Dont rest on past popularity but try to follow the way the wind is blowing as per consumer preferences.

establish a consumer R& D dept and LISTEN when people are telling you what they want as per site interaction. . . . . .

eni a wi fun oba je o gbo. . . . .. . .

when your market is customer driven, it's a very bad idea to not take cognizance of that fact, imo.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by tpia@: 12:31am On Apr 01, 2012
i seriously did not know blackberry doesnt have touchscreen devices?

Without a cool touchscreen device to keep customers from defecting, the company has been slashing prices on its existing handsets. It still hasn't been able to boost sales


http://marketday.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/30/10941667-blackberry-squeezed-rim-searches-for-options

my goodness- in this day and age when everything is touchscreen?
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by hustla(m): 12:32am On Apr 01, 2012
all4naija: The major problem with RIM is lack of innovations. I don't even think the company listen to consumer opinions and views. There is no way BB can succeed without looking at what is popularly very unique. There apps are very limited and the browser sucks that without it it is hard for you to use third party browsers to download. The business circle alone cannot sustain RIM market base in this present time and the general public they have to focus on must be those going after the latest make of iPhone and Android based Smartphones. Do you know that BB pioneer voice command in handset before iPhone and other makers started adding it to their lines with improvements?

They should take time to address many things and get of the Qwerty keyboard and go for all touch. People are used to touch screens and, they should take note of that in their coming products. I like BB Porche but yet the quality of the camera remains the same, 5mpx. There is room for improvement. Samsung would be coming out with Galaxy S III in few months time and it is going to be loaded. I like Samsung for being innovative, though, I have issue with the battery life.




#Gbam But only 10% of Nigerians are dis smart to think outside d box...Just ma stats tho'
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by tpia@: 12:35am On Apr 01, 2012
RIM's solution appears to be a re-emphasis on the corporate market and reducing its focus on consumers.

Although Apple has trounced RIM in the consumer market, analysts aren't sure that backing away from consumers is a good strategy; Apple has begun making inroads in the business market, too. Barclays Capital's Jeff Kvaal expressed reservations in a research note, pointing out that more companies today let employees use their own smartphones rather than issuing BlackBerries for corporate use. "We would have preferred RIM emphasize consumer," he wrote.

"The history of wireless is littered with OEMs that had significant product cycle/share gains, but then missed structural market shifts," Jim Suva, a Citigroup analyst, wrote.


we'll see how it all pans out i guess.
Re: RIM Retreats From Consumer Market After $125M Loss by hustla(m): 1:09am On Apr 01, 2012
chucky234: I often wonder how people here jumped into conclusion,I watch the RIM conference yesterday and there was never a time they stated abandoning the consumer market.
I own a bold4,iphone 4s and amazing HTC android 2.3 phones but I still cherish my BB above the iphone and android because its unrivalled when it comes to business enterprises and security.
Iphone is current facing rebuke in Europe for the poor performances of their 4s but nobody is talking about that, you should also know that all Apple's products are manufactured by third party companies in China like Foxconn.
The only company that can compete with RIM is HTC who build more better phones than Apple's iphones.


Nawa for yu oo!!!!hw many rim fones cn u play mad games on?? Can a standard. RIM OS match an iPhone's OS?u don't know much,average user!

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