Was discussing with someone, mentioned betting but he said he is a christian, a pastor so, he doesn't place bets. Also noticed christians have a negative opinion about betting, gambling, e.t.c.
So, what's all the negativity towards all these, any bible quotes that goes againt betting and gambling? Or is it just part of religious propaganda?

You yourself knows its not for responsible people apart from the fact that its not biblical.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, [because] they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn [their] ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4 nkjv

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, [because] they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn [their] ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4 nkjv

God bless you.

kunletiwoo: You yourself knows its not for responsible people apart from the fact that its not biblical.

I presume lottery is another form of gambling, promos too so, are all those who involve themselves in it also irresponsible and sinners?

Goshen360: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, [because] they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn [their] ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4 nkjv

I fail to see the point in this post or the particular "doctrine" you are refering to: i must be missing something here, possibly a verse in the bible or something...

it's all about control. the church doesn't like it when you are obsessed about something else. Everything that is potentially addictive has been branded sin: sexx, alcohol, smoking, gambling etc.

dublinkmy6:
I fail to see the point in this post or the particular "doctrine" you are refering to: i must be missing something here, possibly a verse in the bible or something...

I agree. No clue what this is about.

Logic Mind: it's all about control. the church doesn't like it when you are obsessed about something else. Everything that is potentially addictive has been branded sin: sexx, alcohol, smoking, gambling etc.

As a Christian, I see many churches that hold the view that gambling is a sin. I'm not really sure why. I've never seen anything in the Bible forbidding it, so at the worst, it is just unwise. People may be a bad steward of their money, but if you made the money and you tithe like the Bible commands, there should be no reason why you don't spend your money towards your interests.

If gambling was wrong, so would investing in any kind of stocks, its a huge risk as well.

Goshen360: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, [because] they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn [their] ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 timothy 4:3-4 nkjv

There is one fact about sins that the Bible did not explicitly spell out. Since I was born, I have known instinctively that gambling, any form at all, is a sin and that has to be the work of the HOLY SPIRIT. Once I have that inbuilt intuition, I will rather allow that to lead my path than take chances

I actually happen to think that gambling can be quite a noble activity. But let me first explain myself.

If a place a wager on something that I believe will happen, or has a high chance of happening that is gambling, right? If I believe it will rain tomorrow and my friend says it won't rain and we wager money from our pockets to back up our beliefs then that is gambling. If it rains I gain extra money. If it doesn't rain I lose money.

What about if I believe that there will be a famine next year and I start to store up a lot of rice in my barn. I'm gambling there too. If there is famine true true, then I stand to gain. But if on the contrary there is a bumper harvest and the price of grain drops then I will lose.

So gambling is simply backing up what you believe will happen with your own money. Everybody that gambling believes that there is a good chance that what they are gambling on will happen.

But what is the source of the belief? Is it deluded? Or is it based on correct information and correct knowledge? If I make a wager that it will rain tomorrow because I have done some meteorological research and I know something that others don't know then is that Wrong?

But some people frown on gambling because they say it ruins lives. People gamble away the money that they could use to feed their families. But is it the gambling that is wrong or is it the fact that the gambler is gambling on deluded information. If a guy goes to a casino where things are rigged so that the casino always wins no matter what happens, then the guy is deluded to expect the windfall that he is expecting. But what about the guy who takes a risk with his family's security by investing in a new business that he believes will make him a lot of money.

The business might succeed, all good. But it might fail. Is he therefore different from the gambler? Capitalism, and western civilisation is built on the wager of entrepreneurs through the last 2 centuries or more. Many many many have put money on the wrong wager and brought financial disaster upon themselves and their families, but a few have backed the right horse and made a lot of money as well as provided a service to humanity.


But I said that gambling is Noble. That is extreme, no? No, it is not extreme!! There are too many people who like to open their mouths in this world and make all kinds of nonsense claims that I'm sure they will never make if there was a law requiring them to back up everything that came out of their mouths with money from their pockets.

President Bush would not have opened his mouth to claim that Iraq had WMD if he was required to stake his family fortune on it. If invading Iraq meant that he would lose all his family fortune if they got there and didn't find WMD then I'm sure he would have been more careful about making those claims.

Making Assertions without backup is ignoble, despicable and contemptible. Putting money from your pocket down to back your assertion on the other hand is a more noble gesture. If you think it is going to rain tomorrow and you are disturbing everybody shouting on and on about it, then put your hand in your pocket and put money down to back your claim. If it rains we'll double your money, if it doesn't you'll lose your money. Shikena!!

Believe you me, if we all followed this policy then all the prophecies in 9ja will reduce exponentially. It is because people are allowed to open their mouths anyhow that we have so much prophecies.

This is one of the reasons why I can never send any money home to 9ja for people who preach tithes. With all the blessings that they claim come from tithes they shouldn't have to ask me a poor non-tithe payer to be sending money to them. That's having your cake and eating it. You've made a claim. If you claim that the tithe you pay will open for you . . .

the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

. . . then you must live by that. If you can't live by it then you must die by it. Simples.

In fact if people had to back up their words with their own personal resources then half of the preaching in 9ja will stop with such immediate effect that the silence will be deafening.


So to conclude. I see gambling as nothing more that backing what you believe will happen with money from your own pocket. The more research you do to firm up your conviction that something will happen the less likely you will be to lose your money.

rastamouse:

There is one fact about sins that the Bible did not explicitly spell out. Since I was born, I have known instinctively that gambling, any form at all, is a sin and that has to be the work of the HOLY SPIRIT. Once I have that inbuilt intuition, I will rather allow that to lead my path than take chances

If you have that weak of a conscience that you won't even think rationally about it, then let that be on you. Let your feelings guide you if you want. But don't come and tell others that its a sin to do because you had some "feeling." I'm a Christian, and I've never had the feeling that its wrong. So we have two Christians with two opposed "feelings." Who is correct?

I've given my reasons why I think it is acceptable. Instead of saying how you feel, do you have any rational or logical reasons as to why you think it is wrong?

bigd4050:

If you have that weak of a conscience that you won't even think rationally about it, then let that be on you. Let your feelings guide you if you want. But don't come and tell others that its a sin to do because you had some "feeling." I'm a Christian, and I've never had the feeling that its wrong. So we have two Christians with two opposed "feelings." Who is correct?

I've given my reasons why I think it is acceptable. Instead of saying how you feel, do you have any rational or logical reasons as to why you think it is wrong?

You are one funny character. Unlike you, did you realize that I intentionally limited my response to myself? Did I prescribe it to anyone? You are practicing a very dangerous form of Christianity by telling people what is sin and what is not. What will be your fate when GOD comes back and tell us that gambling is indeed a sin? Will you tell HIM that because HE failed to write it in the Bible you can go scot-free?

The logic that you gave is as good as poo regarding why gambling is not a sin.

bigd4050:

As a Christian, I see many churches that hold the view that gambling is a sin. I'm not really sure why. I've never seen anything in the Bible forbidding it, so at the worst, it is just unwise. People may be a bad steward of their money, but if you made the money and you tithe like the Bible commands, there should be no reason why you don't spend your money towards your interests.

If gambling was wrong, so would investing in any kind of stocks, its a huge risk as well.

Tithing is by no means a way to cleans filthy money!

rastamouse:

You are one funny character. Unlike you, did you realize that I intentionally limited my response to myself? Did I prescribe it to anyone? You are practicing a very dangerous form of Christianity by telling people what is sin and what is not. What will be your fate when GOD comes back and tell us that gambling is indeed a sin? Will you tell HIM that because HE failed to write it in the Bible you can go scot-free?

The logic that you gave is as good as poo regarding why gambling is not a sin.



Tithing is by no means a way to cleans filthy money!

Actually, your wrong. You never prescribed gambling to just yourself. You said "I have known instinctively since birth that gambling was a sin because the Holy Spirit told me." You never said it just being a personal standard, you naturally applied it to everyone. YOU told EVERYONE else what sin is, and its sin not put in the Bible My point is that God won't say gambling is a sin because it is a wisdom issue, not a sin issue. It becomes a sin if you blow all your money on gambling and lose it, because you are a poor steward. But if you want to take a little bit that wouldn't harm you, I say go for it. And you can't just call it filthy money and not say why. Your still stuck on the "I just feel like its wrong" thing, and that's unacceptable. You can't prove its wrong. You just have a feeling. So your point is moot.

Praise the Lord!!!

Gambling is not a sin. . . I repeat. . Gambling is not a sin.

Reason, even GOD the father (not Jesus the pikin o!!). Baba God himself gambled with the devil on the life of JOB as recorded in the book of Job chapter 1.

Refer.

Halleluyah!!


Apostle Alusi Okija

bigd4050:

Actually, your wrong. You never prescribed gambling to just yourself. You said "I have known instinctively since birth that gambling was a sin because the Holy Spirit told me." You never said it just being a personal standard, you naturally applied it to everyone. YOU told EVERYONE else what sin is, and its sin not put in the Bible My point is that God won't say gambling is a sin because it is a wisdom issue, not a sin issue. It becomes a sin if you blow all your money on gambling and lose it, because you are a poor steward. But if you want to take a little bit that wouldn't harm you, I say go for it. And you can't just call it filthy money and not say why. Your still stuck on the "I just feel like its wrong" thing, and that's unacceptable. You can't prove its wrong. You just have a feeling. So your point is moot.

LoL...You don't understand English as well. I rest my case on you

Pastor AIO: I actually happen to think that gambling can be quite a noble activity. But let me first explain myself.

If a place a wager on something that I believe will happen, or has a high chance of happening that is gambling, right? If I believe it will rain tomorrow and my friend says it won't rain and we wager money from our pockets to back up our beliefs then that is gambling. If it rains I gain extra money. If it doesn't rain I lose money.

What about if I believe that there will be a famine next year and I start to store up a lot of rice in my barn. I'm gambling there too. If there is famine true true, then I stand to gain. But if on the contrary there is a bumper harvest and the price of grain drops then I will lose.

So gambling is simply backing up what you believe will happen with your own money. Everybody that gambling believes that there is a good chance that what they are gambling on will happen.

But what is the source of the belief? Is it deluded? Or is it based on correct information and correct knowledge? If I make a wager that it will rain tomorrow because I have done some meteorological research and I know something that others don't know then is that Wrong?

But some people frown on gambling because they say it ruins lives. People gamble away the money that they could use to feed their families. But is it the gambling that is wrong or is it the fact that the gambler is gambling on deluded information. If a guy goes to a casino where things are rigged so that the casino always wins no matter what happens, then the guy is deluded to expect the windfall that he is expecting. But what about the guy who takes a risk with his family's security by investing in a new business that he believes will make him a lot of money.

The business might succeed, all good. But it might fail. Is he therefore different from the gambler? Capitalism, and western civilisation is built on the wager of entrepreneurs through the last 2 centuries or more. Many many many have put money on the wrong wager and brought financial disaster upon themselves and their families, but a few have backed the right horse and made a lot of money as well as provided a service to humanity.


But I said that gambling is Noble. That is extreme, no? No, it is not extreme!! There are too many people who like to open their mouths in this world and make all kinds of nonsense claims that I'm sure they will never make if there was a law requiring them to back up everything that came out of their mouths with money from their pockets.

President Bush would not have opened his mouth to claim that Iraq had WMD if he was required to stake his family fortune on it. If invading Iraq meant that he would lose all his family fortune if they got there and didn't find WMD then I'm sure he would have been more careful about making those claims.

Making Assertions without backup is ignoble, despicable and contemptible. Putting money from your pocket down to back your assertion on the other hand is a more noble gesture. If you think it is going to rain tomorrow and you are disturbing everybody shouting on and on about it, then put your hand in your pocket and put money down to back your claim. If it rains we'll double your money, if it doesn't you'll lose your money. Shikena!!

Believe you me, if we all followed this policy then all the prophecies in 9ja will reduce exponentially. It is because people are allowed to open their mouths anyhow that we have so much prophecies.

This is one of the reasons why I can never send any money home to 9ja for people who preach tithes. With all the blessings that they claim come from tithes they shouldn't have to ask me a poor non-tithe payer to be sending money to them. That's having your cake and eating it. You've made a claim. If you claim that the tithe you pay will open for you . . .

the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

. . . then you must live by that. If you can't live by it then you must die by it. Simples.

In fact if people had to back up their words with their own personal resources then half of the preaching in 9ja will stop with such immediate effect that the silence will be deafening.


So to conclude. I see gambling as nothing more that backing what you believe will happen with money from your own pocket. The more research you do to firm up your conviction that something will happen the less likely you will be to lose your money.

Very Sound. .

Maybe you would consider being a guest Preacher at my nest Crusade.

rastamouse:

LoL...You don't understand English as well. I rest my case on you

Lol dude just admit that your wrong for once. You haven't rested any case..you didn't even make a counter-argument or prove a point!

Okija_juju:


Very Sound. .

Maybe you would consider being a guest Preacher at my nest Crusade.

I liked it too, it made a lot of logical sense. It is good to see someone being bold in calling it noble when most people are afraid to even say it is okay. I had never thought of it in the way you put it, but it is eye-opening.

rastamouse:

There is one fact about sins that the Bible did not explicitly spell out. Since I was born, I have known instinctively that gambling, any form at all, is a sin and that has to be the work of the HOLY SPIRIT. Once I have that inbuilt intuition, I will rather allow that to lead my path than take chances

By this your holy Spirit intuition, Blow-jobs should also be a sin, same thing as a'nal sex with your wife.

In fact from the evidence of most people's post in the thread where Avicenna declared his Atheism it appears that most christians are gamblers. They are gambling with their life using the formula known as Pascal's wager.

Okija_juju:


By this your holy Spirit intuition, Blow-jobs should also be a sin, same thing as a'nal sex with your wife.

You do anal sex with your wife ? We my conscience definetely tells me that is very wrong. Have you considered the health implications?

Pastor AIO: In fact from the evidence of most people's post in the thread where Avicenna declared his Atheism it appears that most christians are gamblers. They are gambling with their life using the formula known as Pascal's wager.

I've heard of that. At least they point their money on the most logical possibility.

rastamouse:

You do anal sex with your wife ? We my conscience definetely tells me that is very wrong. Have you considered the health implications?

I actually disagree with anal sex too lol. Bj's totally fine though!

I actually disagree with BehindBased sex too lol. Bj's totally fine though!

how can you disagree with something you haven't tried?
she might even like it and be getting it from someone else.

Logic Mind:
how can you disagree with something you haven't tried?
she might even like it and be getting it from someone else.

That's quite an interesting statement. To not disagree is to agree, correct? So would this mean that you agree with rape, slavery, murder, and heroine because you have never tried or done those things. Unless of course you have.

bigd4050:

That's quite an interesting statement. To not disagree is to agree, correct? So would this mean that you agree with rape, slavery, murder, and heroine because you have never tried or done those things. Unless of course you have.

i knew you would come back with such argument but there is something like universally accepted wrongdoing and harming someone else.
r.ape, slavery, murder all harm someone else. I don't need to try it as everybody agree it is wrong. I only have to imagine if someone did the same to me or to a loved one to know that it is wrong.
i have no opinion on heroin as I have not tried it.
i can't see anything wrong with two consenting adults having a'nal sex.

Logic Mind:

i knew you would come back with such argument but there is something like universally accepted wrongdoing and harming someone else.
r.ape, slavery, murder all harm someone else. I don't need to try it as everybody agree it is wrong. I only have to imagine if someone did the same to me or to a loved one to know that it is wrong.
i have no opinion on heroin as I have not tried it.
i can't see anything wrong with two consenting adults having a'nal sex.

To add to this, R.ape, Slavery, Murder, Molestation are all crimes, none of them are consentual and if you try it, you will go to jail.

But a'nal sex between two consenting married adult couples is not in the same ball park.

Heroine, like cigarettes is also not a sin, the dependence on these substances is a sin. Its also a crime. But it being a crime does not necessarily make it a biblical sin. Morals and sin are mutually exclusive. .

Tell him to try another analogy.

Good response by the way.

Okija_juju:


Tell him to try another analogy.

lol

Okija_juju:

To add to this, R.ape, Slavery, Murder, Molestation are all crimes, none of them are consentual and if you try it, you will go to jail.

But a'nal sex between two consenting married adult couples is not in the same ball park.

Heroine, like cigarettes is also not a sin, the dependence on these substances is a sin. Its also a crime. But it being a crime does not necessarily make it a biblical sin. Morals and sin are mutually exclusive. .

Tell him to try another analogy.

Good response by the way.

The reason his response is wrong is because he stated that "you can't know something unless you try it." Now he says "I can know something I haven't tried because other people tell me." That is a contradiction. The fact that anal sex is consentual and the others are not is irrelevant. They both WILL bring harm to the person the act is done to.

bigd4050:

The reason his response is wrong is because he stated that "you can't know something unless you try it." Now he says "I can know something I haven't tried because other people tell me." That is a contradiction. The fact that anal sex is consentual and the others are not is irrelevant. They both WILL bring harm to the person the act is done to.

There you go again. How do you know that a'nal sex brings harm. Any a'nal practitioner told you or is it from personal experience.
Secondly, if bringing harm makes something wrong in your opinion, then childbirth is wrong and vag.inal sex should not be practiced as it leads to childbirth pain and even death.

Logic Mind:

There you go again. How do you know that a'nal sex brings harm. Any a'nal practitioner told you or is it from personal experience.
Secondly, if bringing harm makes something wrong in your opinion, then childbirth is wrong and vag.inal sex should not be practiced as it leads to childbirth pain and even death.

That's an obnoxious statement. No one should ever work out then, or push themselves in any way. Some harm is good, if it is to help your body get stronger like tearing down your muscles. I have heard from plenty of people who practice anal sex that harm does come. I don't need the personal experience. Your holding a complete double standard about experience compared to what people tell you. Because I hold the stance of a Christian, I have to try it, yet you don't need to try heroine because other people think its harmful? What about the people who enjoy using it to get high? Shouldn't you try it for yourself, maybe you have a high tolerance for it and won't be affected? Your standard for me applies to you as well.