Nihilist:
Goal and assist by EPL alumni though...

Who left the EPL when they became too good for the EPL

Nihilist:


Goal and assist by EPL alumni though...

Alumni.....

chic2pimp:

Alumni.....

Innit?

If Ororo wins this thing ehn, it won't be funny at all. France should do the needful and win this boring tourney.

Nihilist:


Innit?

Abi o..

raumdeuter:


Oh So we are going to assume he didnt coach Madrid? The biggest club and biggest spender in Europe?

Or we are going to assume Chelsea who made the CL semi just before Mourinho and outspent anyone in Europe during Mourinho regime didnt exist

I thought we were Camparing inter/Chelsea to Barca/bayern. Anyway the Madrid saga shouldn't be used here in my own opinion since florentina perez already had a transfer policy that at least one world class player has to be bought each Season and which they had been doing even before Mou joined which had not yielded so much result for all their efforts. Mou came and gave them all they wanted except for the Champions League which we can't really blame him for seeing he reached the Semis in all his tries, losing on penalties once, another by the skin of his tooth. The fact that madrid hasn't won a league or domestic cup title speaks volume about his addition to the team.
The Chelsea part i don't seem to get your point, Chelsea was the biggest spender in Europe hell yes without Chelsea spending that way how were we supposed to move from lower mid- table to win the Premier League out of the grasp of the two giants, or how were we supposed to attract the world class players to take us to the level we wanted seeing we had no pedigree to boast of.

pamcode:
I thought we were Camparing inter/Chelsea to Barca/bayern. Anyway the Madrid saga shouldn't be used here in my own opinion since florentina perez already had a transfer policy that at least one world class player has to be bought each Season and which they had been doing even before Mou joined which had not yielded so much result for all their efforts. Mou came and gave them all they wanted except for the Champions League which we can't really blame him for seeing he reached the Semis in all his tries, losing on penalties once, another by the skin of his tooth. The fact that madrid hasn't won a league or domestic cup title speaks volume about his addition to the team.
The Chelsea part i don't seem to get your point, Chelsea was the biggest spender in Europe hell yes without Chelsea spending that way how were we supposed to move from lower mid- table to win the Premier League out of the grasp of the two giants, or how were we supposed to attract the world class players to take us to the level we wanted seeing we had no pedigree to boast of.

CHelsea the season before Mourinho was 2nd on the table and was semi finalist in the CL, So where is this story of lower mid table coming from

raumdeuter:


CHelsea the season before Mourinho was 2nd on the table and was semi finalist in the CL, So where is this story of lower mid table coming from

How is "CFC was 2nd on the table and a semi finalist in the CL" relevant to the ambitions of the owner who wanted a mid-table club to consistently be champions of the league while dominating in europe?

Why don't you and nateevs,tell us how else we would have joined the class of best teams in the world without cfc spending romans cash?

Or how CFC would have been consistently relevant in the league and Europe overnight without romans opening his cheque book?

pamcode:
Chelsea was the biggest spender in Europe hell yes without Chelsea spending that way how were we supposed to move from lower mid- table to win the Premier League out of the grasp of the two giants, or how were we supposed to attract the world class players to take us to the level we wanted seeing we had no pedigree to boast of.

I don't like when niggas yarn nonsense like Chelsea was a lower midtable team before Abramovic. Some of us were here then.

Chelsea was the 4th best team in England between 1997 and 2003. We never finished lower than 6th, sometimes finishing 3rd or 4th.

We won:

European Cup Winners Cup
European Super Cup
FA Cup twice
League Cup once

All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

Or do you think the likes of Zola, DiMatteo, Lebeouf, Vialli, Desailly, Mark Hughes, Albert Ferrer, Le Saux and co came here to sell akara and finish lower midtable?

Spits.

Ibime:


I don't like when niggas yarn nonsense like Chelsea was a lower midtable team before Abramovic. Some of us were here then.

Chelsea was the 4th best team in England between 1997 and 2003. We never finished lower than 6th, sometimes finishing 3rd or 4th.

We won:

European Cup Winners Cup
European Super Cup
FA Cup twice
League Cup once

All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

Or do you think the likes of Zola, DiMatteo, Lebeouf, Vialli, Desailly, Mark Hughes, Albert Ferrer, Le Saux and co came here to sell akara and finish lower midtable?

Spits.

Back then though, there was nothing like big 4.

There was United. Then there was everybody else. The gap between United and the rest of the top 4 is probably equivalent to the gap between three current top 6/7 and the rest of the league.

Nihilist:


Back then though, there was nothing like big 4.

There was United. Then there was everybody else. The gap between United and the rest of the top 4 is probably equivalent to the gap between three current top 6/7 and the rest of the league.

It's no different from United from 2010 to 2013.

Chelsea was no midtable team unlike the popular lies being peddled.

The only difference was that only 2 or 3 teams qualified for UCL back then.

In 2000 we went to UCL QF. Barca needed extra time to knock us out.

Chelsea last 7 years before Abramovic is better than Arsenals last 7 years from 2009 to 2016.

sproadic shots fired ;Dsproadic shots fired

Ibime:


It's no different from United from 2010 to 2013.

Chelsea was no midtable team unlike the popular lies being peddled.

The only difference was that only 2 or 3 teams qualified for UCL back then.

In 2000 we went to UCL QF. Barca needed extra time to knock us out.

Chelsea last 7 years before Abramovic is better than Arsenals last 7 years from 2009 to 2016.

I disagree. Arsenal has consistently finished in the top 4 and UCL places since.

The 7 years before Roman I think we finished 6th 3 times and 5th once.

I only really started following footy in 99, but I remember Chelsea being no better than Leeds who also went to UCL semis and finished in top 4 on several occasions.

Arsenal was and still is expected to challenge for the title evert year. We weren't.

At best, I'd say we were like Liverpool in the mid noughties, at worst, I'd say we were like Spurs same period.

I can't stress enough how dominant Manyoo were in that era.

the 4th best team in the country those days carries as much weight as as the 4th best team in the Bundesliga today.

As at 2003, EPL had been running for 11 years. United had won the title 8 of those years.

It's not like the FA Cups that we won really means anything sef. Back then anybody could get to the final. Our two finals in that era were vs Middlesborough and Aston Villa.

Nihilist:


I disagree. Arsenal has consistently finished in the top 4 and UCL places since.

The 7 years before Roman I think we finished 6th 3 times and 5th once.

I only really started following footy in 99, but I remember Chelsea being no better than Leeds who also went to UCL semis and finished in top 4 on several occasions.

Arsenal was and still is expected to challenge for the title evert year. We weren't.

At best, I'd say we were like Liverpool in the mid noughties, at worst, I'd say we were like Spurs same period.

I can't stress enough how dominant Manyoo were in that era.

the 4th best team in the country those days carries as much weight as as the 4th best team in the Bundesliga today.

As at 2003, EPL had been running for 11 years. United had won the title 8 of those years.

It's not like the FA Cups that we won really means anything sef. Back then anybody could get to the final. Our two finals in that era were vs Middlesborough and Aston Villa.

Add in the cup successes and any fan would tell you Chelsea is more successful than Arsenal over the 7 year comparison.

Most seasons we were primed to finish 3rd but switched focus to Cup runs a bit like RDM in 2012.

Chelsea was almost like the Sevilla of that time in comparison which I consider more successful than just finishing in fourth every season.

Finishing 4th then didn't profit us as there was no UCL place so we became Cup specialists.

Anyway the main point is that Chelsea was no midtable team.

Ibime:


I don't like when niggas yarn nonsense like Chelsea was a lower midtable team before Abramovic. Some of us were here then.

Chelsea was the 4th best team in England between 1997 and 2003. We never finished lower than 6th, sometimes finishing 3rd or 4th.

We won:

European Cup Winners Cup
European Super Cup
FA Cup twice
League Cup once

All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

Or do you think the likes of Zola, DiMatteo, Lebeouf, Vialli, Desailly, Mark Hughes, Albert Ferrer, Le Saux and co came here to sell akara and finish lower midtable?

Spits.

Bros calm down e never reach fight

Anyways,the things you listed in no way made us a force to reckon with neither in the league nor in Europe.

Yes!! the mid-table yarns was more of an exaggeration of the true nature of things as they were then or before romans era began however,this should not negate the fact that we were never mentioned in the same breathe as ManU,arsenal,Liverpool and co. when it came to winning the league and the recognition which we presently do enjoy now alongside the best of clubs in Europe.

Anyways, the discourse is basically about Mou and spending spree he usual embarks on to win trophies. Feel free to add your opinion please. Thanks.



Spits..

Ibime:


Add in the cup successes and any fan would tell you Chelsea is more successful than Arsenal over the 7 year comparison.

Most seasons we were primed to finish 3rd but switched focus to Cup runs a bit like RDM in 2012.

Chelsea was almost like the Sevilla of that time in comparison which I consider more successful than just finishing in fourth every season.

Finishing 4th then didn't profit us as there was no UCL place so we became Cup specialists.

Anyway the main point is that Chelsea was no midtable team.

I agree with Sevilla. Good in the cups, almost no chance in the league.

I don't necessarily agree that we were more succesful then than Arsenal is now. In absolute terms maybe, but back then like you said 4th place didn't get you a UCL spot.

All you get from winning the FA Cup is a spot in Europa league.
A team like Manyoo who were already more or less guaranteed a UCL football qualifying place at the start of the season actually withdrew from the FA cup in 99 to play in club world championship that year, as you will no doubt remember...further exemplifying the gulf between themy and us those days.

Top 4 finish these days (almost)guarantees a UCL qualifying spot, and a cash reward that is almost 80 times more than what the winner of the FA Cup gets, making it a sort of trophy in itself

So it's kinda debatable these days if an FA cup win is actually more succesful than a top 4 finish.

Finally, I think the point pamcode was trying to make was that we were in a position where we could not launch a real title challenge from without outside help.

You likened us to Sevilla who finished 7th last season. Some could call thar midtable. Others would call it top-half. Either way, we were no way close to breaking that Arsenal/United hegemony till Roman came.

Ibime:


I don't like when niggas yarn nonsense like Chelsea was a lower midtable team before Abramovic. Some of us were here then.

Chelsea was the 4th best team in England between 1997 and 2003. We never finished lower than 6th, sometimes finishing 3rd or 4th.

We won:

European Cup Winners Cup
European Super Cup
FA Cup twice
League Cup once

All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

Or do you think the likes of Zola, DiMatteo, Lebeouf, Vialli, Desailly, Mark Hughes, Albert Ferrer, Le Saux and co came here to sell akara and finish lower midtable?

Spits.

First of all dansaki to you bros, na my two hands dey up. I admit all those years 2000-2007 i knew next to nothing about football all my football knowledge came from the few matches I was able to watch, the analysis from sport analyst on TV and area egbons. Fact is we weren't a force to reckon with, we can't be compared to the Barca/bayern that Guardiola took over, lower or top we were a mid table team. Period

Ibime:


It's no different from United from 2010 to 2013.

Chelsea was no midtable team unlike the popular lies being peddled.

The only difference was that only 2 or 3 teams qualified for UCL back then.

In 2000 we went to UCL QF. Barca needed extra time to knock us out.

Chelsea last 7 years before Abramovic is better than Arsenals last 7 years from 2009 to 2016.

To be sincere you are probably right and we all know arsenal's problem - Funds. They couldn’t compete with other clubs for players and yet kept losing their own players and mind you this was a club with good history and pedigree. And that what would have happened to us without Abramovich's money, we would just become poaching ground for the big clubs to get players.

Se Conte don resume duty?

We won European Cup Winners Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup twice, League Cup once, All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

So right wonderful achievement for us but fact is it was no better than what Parma achieved between 1996-2001 and guess what they were mid table and they still are mid table, they became poaching ground for stronger clubs and that would have been our story If not for Abramovich's money.

Ibimeeeeee i want you to get a picture of Abramovic or an effigy and every night before you sleep or early in the morning when you wake up, kneel before it and say Thank you 21 times with due reverence Pal.

pamcode:
We won European Cup Winners Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup twice, League Cup once, All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

So right wonderful achievement for us but fact is it was no better than what Parma achieved between 1996-2001 and guess what they were mid table and they still are mid table, they became poaching ground for stronger clubs and that would have been our story If not for Abramovich's money.

Ibimeeeeee i want you to get a picture of Abramovic or an effigy and every night before you sleep or early in the morning when you wake up, kneel before it and say Thank you 21 times with due reverence Pal.

One of the FA cup wins sef was the one that Manyoo boycotted.

If there's any indicator how stark the difference in levels was between us and United then, it is that.

We are holding on to that FA cup win as success in a year when Manyoo United decided to look past that and compete on the world stage.

Nigga that's deep.

Nihilist:

One of the FA cup wins sef was the one that Manyoo boycotted.

If there's any indicator how stark the difference in levels was between us and United then, it is that.

We are holding on to that FA cup win as success in a year when Manyoo United decided to look past that and compete on the world stage.

Nigga that's deep.

Abi o. That must have been after their treble success i believe.

Nihilist:

One of the FA cup wins sef was the one that Manyoo boycotted.

If there's any indicator how stark the difference in levels was between us and United then, it is that.

We are holding on to that FA cup win as success in a year when Manyoo United decided to look past that and compete on the world stage.

Nigga that's deep.

Nah nigga. Utd didn't boycott anything.

English FA begged Utd to drop out of FA Cup because they were bidding for 2006 World Cup and wanted to be on good terms with FIFA.

What had happened was that Blatter had a crazy idea to hold the Club World Cup as a proper tournament with group stages and everything, that was going to take 3 weeks to a month almost. United said its not feasible to take 3 weeks out of their season to play 5 matches for that tournament so FA begged them to drop out of FA Cup and go to the tournament to help Englands World Cup bid.

As it happened, Utd didn't even take that tournament seriously crashing out in the group stage to the likes of Necaxa of Mexico.

Anyway my point is that fellow Chelsea fans should not talk down our history and make it seem that we are a bunch of gloryhunters who were nowhere before Abramovic. Before Abramovic, you could still catch fun and success supporting this club every season. Every season you were guaranteed to be in one semifinal or final or another and to win things. Its not like supporting Stoke. It's not even like supporting Spurs or Liverpool. It was like supporting Sevilla because you are guaranteed action every season.

Lack of UCL qualification meant nothing then. You have to live in that period to know what was important. There wasn't much money involved in UCL till 2003. It did not matter whether you qualified or not. It was winning trophies that mattered, not UCL qualification. That's why I say that period is more successful than Arsenals last 7 years.

Back then only Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea were winning trophies consistently. Liverpool only won some trophies in 2001. Apart from that, it was Chelsea, Manure and Arsenal only.

Ibime:


Nah nigga. Utd didn't boycott anything.

English FA begged Utd to drop out of FA Cup because they were bidding for 2006 World Cup and wanted to be on good terms with FIFA.

What had happened was that Blatter had a crazy idea to hold the Club World Cup as a proper tournament with group stages and everything, that was going to take 3 weeks to a month almost. United said its not feasible to take 3 weeks out of their season to play that tournament so FA begged them to drop out of FA Cup and go to the tournament to help Englands World Cup bid.

This bit is strictly true. But it doesn't negate the fact that it was a choice. And united actually decided not to compete. Rest assured that no other team would have been offered that choice by the FA. And no other team, especially in that era could afford to boycott the FA Cup...given how difficult it was to qualify for Europe via the league.

Anyway my point is that fellow Chelsea fans should not talk down our history and make it seem that we are a bunch of gloryhunters who were nowhere before Abramovic. Before Abramovic, you could still catch fun and success supporting this club every season. Every season you were guaranteed to be in one semifinal or final or another and to win things. Its not like supporting Stoke. It's not even like supporting Spurs or Liverpool. It was like supporting Sevilla because you are guaranteed action every season.

Back then only Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea were winning trophies consistently. Liverpool only won some trophies in 2001. Apart from that, it was Chelsea, Manure and Arsenal only.

No doubt! And I get your point completely. But I also see where pamcode is coming from. dazall.

pamcode:
We won European Cup Winners Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup twice, League Cup once, All in the 7 years before Abramovic.

So right wonderful achievement for us but fact is it was no better than what Parma achieved between 1996-2001 and guess what they were mid table and they still are mid table, they became poaching ground for stronger clubs and that would have been our story If not for Abramovich's money.

Ibimeeeeee i want you to get a picture of Abramovic or an effigy and every night before you sleep or early in the morning when you wake up, kneel before it and say Thank you 21 times with due reverence Pal.

Parma was a big club then. You can't judge the past with the eyes of the present.

When you have Buffon, Cannavaro, Thuram, Dino Baggio, Sensini, Fernando Couto, Crespo, Asprilla, Zola etc you definitely talking about a big club.

Back then UCL doesn't mean as much as now. Winning UEFA or CWC was better than reaching UCL semis.

You had teams like Monaco, Marseille, Ajax, Dortmund, Porto going far and winning UCL even. It was not a be all and end all like now

Ibime:


Parma was a big club then. You can't judge the past with the eyes of the present.

When you have Buffon, Cannavaro, Thuram, Dino Baggio, Sensini, Fernando Couto, Crespo, Asprilla, Zola etc you definitely talking about a big club.

Back then UCL doesn't mean as much as now. Winning UEFA or CWC was better than reaching UCL semis.

You had teams like Monaco, Marseille, Ajax, Dortmund, Porto going far and winning UCL even. It was not a be all and end all like now

Almost all of those players were sold almost the same time isn't it. Can you tell me what could have made such Super stars to leave for the likes of juve, madrid, millan etc to win more trophies i guess.


*modified* I read your posts up there and i seem to get your point now. Have a good day bro.

pamcode:
Almost all of those players were sold almost the same time isn't it. Can you tell me what could have made such Super stars to leave for the likes of juve, madrid, millan etc to win more trophies i guess.

Financial problems at Parmalat, the company that owned Parma.

I'm not entertaining these Messi to Chelsea rumours. Who is smoking what?

Who hasn't been boarded in Roman's yacht? Messi's father spending time there with our owner might be a good premise but then again, we are not just well positioned to lure the Argentine to the Bridge.

I don't think it's all pie in the sky and yeah, someone better advice these SUN reporters to stop doing drugs.

Griffon:
I'm not entertaining these Messi to Chelsea rumours. Who is smoking what?

Who hasn't been boarded in Roman's yacht? Messi's father spending time there with our owner might be a good premise but then again, we are not just well positioned to lure the Argentine to the Bridge.

I don't think it's all pie in the sky and yeah, someone better advice these SUN reporters to stop doing drugs.

But I thought you were quoting sun sources as gospel regarding emenalo the other day

Nihilist:


But I thought you were quoting sun sources as gospel regarding emenalo the other day

FBS:
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