chic2pimp:

Wasn't the term the "Makalele Role" coined by the english press?


Dunga in his latter years actually became an extremely good passer of the ball.

Such ignorant words are usually coined by folk who don't watch much football and usually by England based followers. Nothing Makelele did that wasnt done by Souness, Rijkaard, Ardiles, Tardelli, Effenberg. Makelele role my ar.se.

coogar:

he had that role named after him cos he was brilliant at it & he was slightly different from his predecessors that used to anchor. makelele was a sitting midfielder - he never ceded position. his role is to sit in that space between the opponents midfield & attack lines and snuff out any threats between those lines.

with keane, vieira & co - they were box to box. they could attack at will when the game dictates & they could defend at will as well and that made them often vulnerable when they get caught out - thus the red cards & caution from the referee.

There were others who were much better than Makelele and these actually won the WC or Euros - Ardiles, Tardelli, Rijkaard, Mauro Silva, Deschamps

chic2pimp:
Wasn't the term the "Makalele Role" coined by the english press?

because that was their first time of seeing anything like that. until then, the default formation was 4-4-2. nobody protected the hole. it's also one of the reasons players like bergkamp, zola, cantona, etc blossomed in the english league - having a withdrawn forward operating in the hole instead of side-by-side with a strike partner was alien to british pundits.

Katsumoto:
There were others who were much better than Makelele and these actually won the WC or Euros - Ardiles, Tardelli, Rijkaard, Mauro Silva, Deschamps

they did so in spurts - just like having drogba drift wide in a game to make a cross. makelele made a career out of sitting in one position like an electric pole.

his role looks so easy yet so difficult cos it's very easy to get carried away, cede position & join in the attack. tardelli scored a goal in a world cup final in 82. makelele would never ever wander that far from his position.

makelele would win a tackle(he's one of the best at this trade - his timing was pretty excellent) and play a simple pass to the midfielders in front of him that would quickly launch a counter-attack. when others ran, makelele was stationary.

he was the best at it!

Katsumoto:

Such ignorant words are usually coined by folk who don't watch much football and usually by England based followers. Nothing Makelele did that wasnt done by Souness, Rijkaard, Ardiles, Tardelli, Effenberg. Makelele role my ar.se.

Im pretty sure it was Alan Hansen that first used that term on MOTD. Think He was trying to say Claude redefined that position. How he did that however, i'd never know. As you said i don't see exactly what He did that hadn't been done by his predecessors tbh.

chic2pimp:

Im pretty sure it was Alan Hansen that first used that term on MOTD. Think He was trying to say Claude redefined that position. How he did that however, i'd never know. As you said i don't see exactly what He did that hadn't been done by his predecessors tbh.

others were central midfielders - they went forward & backward as they deemed fit. others were often caught out by the opposition for taking stüpid risks - makelele never crossed the halfway line. his reading of the game was excellent - he could tackle an elephant cos he knew the exact time to apply his foot & knock the ball away from the stride of his opponent.

stop belittling makelele....he was the best ever to play that role - a sitting midfielder.

coogar:

because that was their first time of seeing anything like that. until then, the default formation was 4-4-2. nobody protected the hole. it's also one of the reasons players like bergkamp, zola, cantona, etc blossomed in the english league - having a withdrawn forward operating in the hole instead of side-by-side with a strike partner was alien to british

Your simply making my point for me tbh. Journalists from other countries don't see it as Makalele's. Only the british ones do. Also not enough reason for people to call him the best DM ever(as i have seen on this thread already

coogar:

because that was their first time of seeing anything like that. until then, the default formation was 4-4-2. nobody protected the hole. it's also one of the reasons players like bergkamp, zola, cantona, etc blossomed in the english league - having a withdrawn forward operating in the hole instead of side-by-side with a strike partner was alien to british pundits.



they did so in spurts - just like having drogba drift wide in a game to make a cross. makelele made a career out of sitting in one position like an electric pole.

his role looks so easy yet so difficult cos it's very easy to get carried away, cede position & join in the attack. tardelli scored a goal in a world cup final in 82. makelele would never ever wander that far from his position.

makelele would win a tackle(he's one of the best at this trade - his timing was pretty excellent) and play a simple pass to the midfielders in front of him that would quickly launch a counter-attack. when others ran, makelele was stationary.

he was the best at it!

That Makelele was limited in skillset is an issue for Makelele; it shouldn't remove from others who can actually join attack from time to time. It is like saying that a Tahoe is better than a Mercedes GL because it can go from point A to B and is not bothered by all the expensive gizmos in the GL. Makelele was very good at breaking up play but he was very limited.

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coogar:

others were central midfielders - they went forward & backward as they deemed fit. others were often caught out by the opposition for taking stüpid risks - makelele never crossed the halfway line. his reading of the game was excellent - he could tackle an elephant cos he knew the exact time to apply his foot & knock the ball away from the stride of his opponent.

stop belittling makelele....he was the best ever to play that role - a sitting midfielder.

Just because others went forward because they were very capable of doing so or because some of them gave defense splitting passes because they had the ability to do so and Makalele did not should not take away from the fact that they were excellent defensive midfielders. Me belittle one of the greats of the game? Yh right!

Well if your definition of sitting midfielder is "sitting in one spot not moving more than 2meters" then sure. But as a DM no chance mate

chic2pimp:

Just because others went forward because they were very capable of doing so or because some of them gave defense splitting passes because they had the ability to do so and Makalele did not should not take away from the fact that they were excellent defensive midfielders. Me belittle one of the greats of the game? Yh right!

Well if your definition of sitting midfielder is "sitting in one spot not moving more than 2meters" then sure. But as a DM no chance mate

Katsumoto:
That Makelele was limited in skillset is an issue for Makelele; it shouldn't remove from others who can actually join attack from time to time. It is like saying that a Tahoe is better than a Mercedes GL because it can go from point A to B and is not bothered by all the expensive gizmos in the GL. Makelele was very good at breaking up play but he was very limited.

that's exactly the point - until makelele, the role others played was simply central midfielder. makelele's sitting role invented the defensive midfielder.

likewise, the maestros who started operating between the lines invented the attacking midfielder role. before then, they were just midfielders or central midfielders. they went backward & forward at will..........they weren't specialists like makelele.

Katsumoto:

That Makelele was limited in skillset is an issue for Makelele; it shouldn't remove from others who can actually join attack from time to time. It is like saying that a Tahoe is better than a Mercedes GL because it can go from point A to B and is not bothered by all the expensive gizmos in the GL. Makelele was very good at breaking up play but he was very limited.

This!

coogar:




that's exactly the point - until makelele, the role others played was simply central midfielder. makelele's sitting role invented the defensive midfielder.

likewise, the maestros who started operating between the lines invented the attacking midfielder role. before then, they were just midfielders or central midfielders. they went backward & forward at will..........they weren't specialists like makelele.

How exactly did Makalele reinvent the defensive midfield position? You mean by moving a haul of no more than 5yards either way from the position He started the match from He somehow reinvented that position?

chic2pimp:

How exactly did Makalele reinvent the defensive midfield position? You mean by moving a haul of no more than 5yards either way from the position He started the match from He somehow reinvented that position?

he didn't reinvent it - he invented it.

until makelele, find one article on the internet that ever described rijkaard, ardilles, redondo, vieira, keane, scholes, petit as a defensive midfielder.

they were all central midfielders - they never had the specialist role of sitting in one role like a tank. that's the difference. redondo was räping united defenders by the touchline & putting a beautiful cross into the box for raul to score - na defensive midfielder be that?

supposing united intercepted that cross & countered, where would redondo be? did you ever see makelele jogging back to after being caught out? the ball was never behind makelele. he was always in front of the ball!

abeg, there's no one like claude!

coogar:

that's exactly the point - until makelele, the role others played was simply central midfielder. makelele's sitting role invented the defensive midfielder.

likewise, the maestros who started operating between the lines invented the attacking midfielder role. before then, they were just midfielders or central midfielders. they went backward & forward at will..........they weren't specialists like makelele.

At the end of the day, what matters is providing the defence line with the much needed protection - It doesn't matter if it's a sitting role Idea or not,

I love to see players who are willing to give more than is required of them - more like a bonus.

If Redondo et al could travel upfield, grab assists and goals whilst maintaining their primary role which is to serve as the team's defensive aegis, then that makes them special - It goes to show the talent they are.

Ivanovic's primary role as a Right-back is to defend but on several occasions you'd see him surging upfield to deliver crosses into the opposition's box, scoring goals and grabbing assists. He's defying limitations.

Makelele was a genius no doubt but sticking to the primary role of his position and failing to present his team with some ''additional services'' still goes to highlight his limitations.

I'm stood literally 5 yards away from a singing Tiwa Savage.

I cannot believe this woman is actually a famous singer.

She can't carry or hold or a note....her voice is truly awful

AirborneLacer:
At the end of the day, what matters is providing the defence line with the much needed protection - It doesn't matter if it's a sitting role Idea or not,

I love to see players who are willing to give more than is required of them - more like a bonus.

If Redondo et al could travel upfield, grab assists and goals whilst maintaining their primary role which is to serve as the team's defensive aegis, then that makes them special - It goes to show the talent they are.

Ivanovic's primary role as a Right-back is to defend but on several occasions you'd see him surging upfield to deliver crosses into the opposition's box, scoring goals and grabbing assists. He's defiling limitations.

Makelele was a genius no doubt but sticking to the primary role of his position and failing to present his team with some ''additional services'' still goes to highlight his limitations.

that's the problem of today's football fans - nearly everyone now is an addict of statistics. if a player isn't scoring x goals & making y assists then he's not good enough.

think about it - it took real madrid close to a billion pounds to win the champions league again after that mumu florentino perez said makelele had no special talents & sold him to chelsea.

your so-called "players willing go give more than what's required" were tried & tested for a period of 12 years. none of them was disciplined enough to babysit the defence like makelele did without getting carried away to add x goals & y assists.

if mikel had been playing in an era when accurate passes, positional discipline, tackling, crazy football skills had more weight than mere statistics, he would be one of the top 5 players in the world. however, with fans like you - rooney can play 1,000 poor passes and still win a MOTM as long as he scores 2 goals in the game.

modern football fans are idiöts!

^^ You dey mind that one?

Anyone who cannot differentiate between defiling and defying should be taken to the middle of the Sahara and left there.

Makelele invented defensive midfield role?

What kind of nonsense wont one hear on this internet sef

Before Makelele learnt how to kick football Matthaus was already bossing the defensive midfield role, IMO Lothar Matthaus—the greatest defensive midfielder of all time!

not forgetting Dunga, Deschamps, Diego Simeone etc

Ibime: Paulo Montero school of defending. . . if you can't get the ball, get the ninny. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoofVE3dxu0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I remember the Juventus defence of the late 90's

Ciro Ferrara, Torricelli, Birindelli, Iuliano, Pessoto, Montero

Those guys were hack masters

Not forgetting Tacchinardi who sent Oliseh out of Juve

raumdeuter: Makelele invented defensive midfield role?

What kind of nonsense wont one hear on this internet sef

Before Makelele learnt how to kick football Matthaus was already bossing the defensive midfield role, IMO Lothar Matthaus—the greatest defensive midfielder of all time!

not forgetting Dunga, Deschamps, Diego Simeone etc

lothar matthaus? a defensive midfield role? dayo, you are an idïot! matthaus was a rabid dog. the type that would be told to do man-to-man marking of a star player. if his marked target goes to the wing, lothar will follow him there.....

that's not a defensive midfielder - makelele never had to chase anyone to jericho. he simply followed the ball & not the man carrying it about. matthaus' stüpidity caused germany's defeat in 86. the maradona he was supposed to mark out of the game was dishing out key passes like a vatican santa claus giving out gifts.

coogar:

that's the problem of today's football fans - nearly everyone now is an addict of statistics. if a player isn't scoring x goals & making y assists then he's not good enough.

think about it - it took real madrid close to a billion pounds to win the champions league again after that mumu florentino perez said makelele had no special talents & sold him to chelsea.

your so-called "players willing go give more than what's required" were tried & tested for a period of 12 years. none of them was disciplined enough to babysit the defence like makelele did without getting carried away to add x goals & y assists.

if mikel had been playing in an era when accurate passes, positional discipline, tackling, crazy football skills had more weight than mere statistics, he would be one of the top 5 players in the world. however, with fans like you - rooney can play 1,000 poor passes and still win a MOTM as long as he scores 2 goals in the game.

modern football fans are idiöts!

So Italian fans must not have been impressed with Tardelli's goal in the 82 WC because they weren't obsessed with stats and only wanted their MF Anchor to sit in front of the defense.

Madrid winning the Champions league 10 years after the last one had nothing to do with Makelele. Did Madrid not win without Makalele? Or did Chelsea win the CL with Makelele?

Makelele did what he was meant to do but others did as he did and did more. He was exceptionally limited.

coogar:

that's the problem of today's football fans - nearly everyone now is an addict of statistics. if a player isn't scoring x goals & making y assists then he's not good enough.

think about it - it took real madrid close to a billion pounds to win the champions league again after that mumu florentino perez said makelele had no special talents.

your so-called "players willing go give more than what's required" were tried & tested for a period of 12 years. none of them was disciplined enough to babysit the defence like makelele did without getting carried away to add x goals & y assists.

if mikel had been playing in an era when accurate passes, positional discipline, tackling, crazy skills had more weight than statistics, he would be one of the top 5 players in the world. however, with fans like you - rooney can play 1,000 poor passes and still win a MOTM as long as he scores 2 goals in the game.

modern football fans are idiöts!

Dont you think you're missing a line?

''Whilst maintaining their primary role''

No one is fantasizing over stats here. Some qualities are not worth being overlooked.

Makelele was known for one thing - Redondo was known for many things!

coogar:

he didn't reinvent it - he invented it.

until makelele, find one article on the internet that ever described rijkaard, ardilles, redondo, vieira, keane, scholes, petit as a defensive midfielder.

they were all central midfielders - they never had the specialist role of sitting in one role like a tank. that's the difference. redondo was räping united defenders by the touchline & putting a beautiful cross into the box for raul to score - na defensive midfielder be that?

supposing united intercepted that cross & countered, where would redondo be? did you ever see makelele jogging back to after being caught out? the ball was never behind makelele. he was always in front of the ball!

abeg, there's no one like claude!

I'm sure if I dig a little i'll find an article referring to Frank or Desailly as a defensive mid. Prior to Makalele coming to england, you won't find any article that referred to the position as Makalele's(and he had been playing that position for years before moving to England).

Redondo could play either as a defensive midfield or as a Central Midfielder. He was that talented. What would Makalele be doing that far up the pitch? He'll be lost. His skillset was limited as Kats mentioned. Rijkaard was as hard(started off as a no nonsense defender) and intelligent(could read the play perfectly) as they come but He still went forward because He had that ability.

Probably not one could have done the not moving more than 5 yard position better but abeg He did not invent nada.

coogar:

lothar matthaus? a defensive midfield role? dayo, you are an idïot! matthaus was a rabid dog. the type that would be told to do man-to-man marking of a star player. if his marked target goes to the wing, lothar will follow him there.....

that's not a defensive midfielder - makelele never had to chase anyone to jericho. he simply followed the ball & not the man carrying it about. matthaus' stüpidity caused germany's defeat in 86. the maradona he was supposed to mark out of the game was dishing out key passes like a vatican santa claus giving out gifts.

Matthaus was a MF Anchor and he was a brilliant one at that.

Katsumoto:

So Italian fans must not have been impressed with Tardelli's goal in the 82 WC because they weren't obsessed with stats and only wanted their MF Anchor to sit in front of the defense.

Madrid winning the Champions league 10 years after the last one had nothing to do with Makelele. Did Madrid not win without Makalele? Or did Chelsea win the CL with Makelele?

Makelele did what he was meant to do but others did as he did and did more. He was exceptionally limited.

The foolishness of English fans is what I always talk about

Makelele won only 1 CL title in Madrid yet he was the reason Madrid didnt win for ten yrs, Maybe Salgado Ivan Campo etc too would lay claim to such

Was Makelele not in Madrid when Del Piero and Nedved were taking turns on the entire Madrid defence?

So when a reporter sees this Stoke CIty defender Shawcross hacking someone, And calls anyone who plays like that as "Shawcross football" that means Shawcross was the first player ever to hack attackers

ENglish football journalist and fans are the most ignorant globally

chic2pimp:

I'm sure if I dig a little i'll find an article referring to Frank or Desailly as a defensive mid. Prior to Makalele coming to england, you won't find any article that referred to the position as Makalele's(and he had been playing that position for years before moving to England).

Redondo could play either as a defensive midfield or as a Central Midfielder. He was that talented. What would Makalele be doing that far up the pitch? He'll be lost. His skillset was limited as Kats mentioned. Rijkaard was as hard(started off as a no nonsense defender) and intelligent(could read the play perfectly) as they come but He still went forward because He had that ability.

Probably not one could have done the not moving more than 5 yard position better but abeg He did not invent nada.

This is an article that listed Defensive midfielders. When someone tells you to find anything on the interwebs that call any other player a DM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/231097-greatest-ever-football-the-top-10-defensive-midfielders-of-all-time

If you take a poll for the greatest MF Anchors ever, Makelele would not make top 5 and may not even make top 10. He was too limited.

Katsumoto:
So Italian fans must not have been impressed with Tardelli's goal in the 82 WC because they weren't obsessed with stats and only wanted their MF Anchor to sit in front of the defense.

they would have been but it was a big risk. modern strikers would have rendered fools like tardelli useless in this era. besides, back then he would get away with it. strikers had no protection.....tackling from the back was legal, no new offside rule & a referee had to see blood to blow his whistle for infringement.

the new football rules have changed the entire scene. if a midfielder drifts from his position & the opposing team scores, that may end his career. modern strikers are protected & they even give them the benefit of the doubt in a 50-50 touch & go offside situation.

Madrid winning the Champions league 10 years after the last one had nothing to do with Makelele. Did Madrid not win without Makalele? Or did Chelsea win the CL with Makelele?

his teammates in madrid disagree with you. they blamed their failure on makelele's departure to chelsea. i can lift quotes if you want me to - it's not far-fetched!

Makelele did what he was meant to do but others did as he did and did more. He was exceptionally limited.

he did what no one else had ever done. he baby-sat his defence. the closest to makelele in the modern era is busquets....but instead of smart tackling, his own art is interception. busquets positioning is the best in the world - he's everywhere.

Katsumoto: If you take a poll for the greatest MF Anchors ever, Makelele would not make top 5 and may not even make top 10. He was too limited.

I read of an article in 2003 when Perez was asked why he sold Claude and he said aside marking he was useless elsewhere. He had the passing ability of a Sahara camel

Any pass beyond 5yards that Makelele made was to the opponents


Even in French team between 1998-2006 I would rank him as a top 3 DM

raumdeuter:

I remember the Juventus defence of the late 90's

Ciro Ferrara, Torricelli, Birindelli, Iuliano, Pessoto, Montero

Those guys were hack masters

Not forgetting Tacchinardi who sent Oliseh out of Juve

Not forgetting Petr "Czar" Vierchwood.

Nihilist: I'm stood literally 5 yards away from a singing Tiwa Savage.

I cannot believe this woman is actually a famous singer.

She can't carry or hold or a note....her voice is truly awful

and super ugly, display black nyash everywhere like its new invention

coogar:
his teammates in madrid disagree with you. they blamed their failure on makelele's departure to chelsea. i can lift quotes if you want me to - it's not far-fetched!

Makelele spend 3 seasons in Madrid and they won only 1 CL title in that time, Yet he was the reason Madrid wasnt winning CL every season after he left.

Were they winning every season while he was there?