debosky: ^^ You dey mind that one?

Anyone who cannot differentiate between defiling and defying should be taken to the middle of the Sahara and left there.

Dont be useless!

Your mates are busy showing the world how healthy they are at soccer punditry and here you are showing the world how superb you are at nit-picking.

Contribute your quota to the debate on ground or phucking shut your gob.

Katsumoto:

Madrid winning the Champions league 10 years after the last one had nothing to do with Makelele. Did Madrid not win without Makalele? Or did Chelsea win the CL with Makelele?

Was actually going to say let's stop all this rubbish about Makalele's departure being the reason for Madrid's failure to win the big ears.

raumdeuter:
This is an article that listed Defensive midfielders. When someone tells you to find anything on the interwebs that call any other player a DM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/231097-greatest-ever-football-the-top-10-defensive-midfielders-of-all-time

Dayo did not have to dig deep sef before He found an article

raumdeuter:
Makelele spend 3 seasons in Madrid and they won only 1 CL title in that time, Yet he was the reason Madrid wasnt winning CL every season after he left.

Were they winning every season while he was there?

you are talking nonsense, dayo
comparing matthaus to makelele is enough for me to say you are a football illiterate. matthaus was a terrier, gattuso was a terrier. they are man to man markers. the type that would be told to man-mark xavi out in a game & would follow xavi anywhere he goes.

makelele isn't that type - he's a patient snake. he waits in his position for the threat and he snuffs out the threat with a clean tackle, get the ball & play a straight pass to the runners that would launch a counter-attack. spot the difference. if matthaus had 1% of makelele's talent - the role would have been named after him.

coogar:

you are talking nonsense, dayo
comparing matthaus to makelele is enough for me to say you are a football illiterate. matthaus was a terrier, gattuso was a terrier. they are man to man markers. the type that would be told to man-mark xavi out in a game & would follow xavi anywhere he goes.

makelele isn't that type - he's a patient snake. he waits in his position for the threat and he snuffs out the threat with a clean tackle, get the ball & play a straight pass to the runners rhar would launch a counter-attack. spot the difference. if matthaus has 1% of makelele's talent - the role would have been named after him.

So before Makelele was a professional no one had the talent of Makelele.

Its only the English press that romanticize him, He was as useless as Fletcher in Man Utd

Mathaus won a WPOTY and Ballon D or. Makelele could barely make the French team at his prime.

Madrid won 1 CL in 3 seasons of Makelele yet he was the one who made then NOT win since 2002.

LOGIC FAIL

I guess Igor Biscan or Didi Hamman was the reason Liverpool failed to win the CL since 2005

I have a theory

Paolo Sousa was the reason Juve failed to win a CL since 1997

raumdeuter: I have a theory

Paolo Sousa was the reason Juve failed to win a CL since 1997

raumdeuter:

So before Makelele was a professional no one had the talent of Makelele.

Its only the English press that romanticize him, He was as useless as Fletcher in Man Utd

Mathaus won a WPOTY and Ballon D or. Makelele could barely make the French team at his prime.

Madrid won 1 CL in 3 seasons of Makelele yet he was the one who made then NOT win since 2002.

LOGIC FAIL

I guess Igor Biscan or Didi Hamman was the reason Liverpool failed to win the CL since 2005

you are talking nonsense.
makelele is a sitting midfielder - he's not the type to score goals, make assists or dribble 6 players in one spot. his type is an unsung hero, the type lunatics like yourself quickly forget because he didn't register 300 goals in one season.

makelele had limited skills which are exceptional vision, decision-making and tackling, and that made him the best player in the world at one specific role - the sitting midfielder - which was named after him. no one is arguing the amount of WPOTYs matthaus won with you.

in that special role of a sitting midfielder - makelele is the best in the world. he invented it & it was named after him.

chic2pimp:
Was actually going to say let's stop all this rubbish about Makalele's departure being the reason for Madrid's failure to win the big ears.

his own teammates said makelele's departure was the reason they failed to reach the high standard they had set before he left.

Dayo did not have to dig deep sef before He found an article

please don't follow dayo's lunacy. i said find an article that described the midfielders of them old days as defensive midfielders before makelele's popularity.

i mean articles between 1995 & 2002.

There is no Redondo in that article link dayokanu posted and there is a Makalele, so i am surprised that the pro Redondo's are banking on that article

AirborneLacer:

You dey laugh.

Sousa won the CL with Juve left and the next season won with Dortmund.

Shey he no get argument than a Makelele who won one CL in his career yet named the reason clubs don't win

I personally think you guys are understating makelele talent as a DM because to me he was the best of his era (I have limited football knowledge b4 the 2000s) and he leaving Madrid aided in the manner in which the galacticos faltered
Also him not playing for France does not necessarily mean he was not good just that he did not possibly suit his manager tactics (eg ibra and yaya at barca)

Nihilist: I'm stood literally 5 yards away from a singing Tiwa Savage.

I cannot believe this woman is actually a famous singer.

She can't carry or hold or a note....her voice is truly awful

I've heard her sing many times, she is a very good vocalist!
I used to think all her songs has autotune until I heard her sing one day!
BTW, do you think it easy to be a backup singer for beyonce?

Dhellake: There is no Redondo in that article link dayokanu posted and there is a Makalele, so i am surprised that the pro Redondo's are banking on that article

that's not even the point - ask dayo to find one article on the internet where redondo, matthaus, ardilles, rijkaard, cocu, etc were described as defensive midfielders before 2003.

they claim there have been other players doing the makelele role before makelele - they should provide evidence where these other players were described as defensive midfielders. any article written before 2003 would be a good evidence.

in the absence of none, they just gotta admit they are clueless about football.

this is what makelele's teammates in madrid said about his departure.

zidane:
Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?

fernando hierro:
I think Claude has this kind of gift – he's been the best player in the team for years but people just don't notice him, don't notice what he does. But you ask anyone at Real Madrid during the years we were talking about and they will tell you he was the best player at Real. We all knew, the players all knew he was the most important. The loss of Makélelé was the beginning of the end for Los Galacticos… You can see that it was also the beginning of a new dawn for Chelsea. He was the base, the key and I think he is the same to Chelsea now.

but let's blame the english media according to dayokanu. english journalists put those words in hierro's mouth.

Dhellake: There is no Redondo in that article link dayokanu posted and there is a Makalele, so i am surprised that the pro Redondo's are banking on that article

Redondo's career ending injury robbed him of deserved accolades.

He plays that role with so much grace.

His sodomy of Henning Berg in front of 70,000 at old Trafford and 100 million on t.v. was one of the reasons the CL was played after children's bedtime ever since

raumdeuter:

Redondo's career ending injury robbed him of deserved accolades.

He plays that role with so much grace.

His sodomy of Henning Berg in front of 70,000 at old Trafford and 100 million on t.v. was one of the reasons the CL was played after children's bedtime ever since

Your mouth too sweet

Coogar find one article on the internet dated before 1995 that described Maradona Pele Cryuff Eusebio as attacking midfielders

TheCarefreeOne: I personally think you guys are understating makelele talent as a DM because to me he was the best of his era (I have limited football knowledge b4 the 2000s)

With the part in bracket you are excused.

How many yrs did Makelele spend in Madrid and how many CL titles did he win there and in his entire career

coogar:

that's not even the point - ask dayo to find one article on the internet where redondo, matthaus, ardilles, rijkaard, cocu, etc were described as defensive midfielders before 2003.

they claim there have been other players doing the makelele role before makelele - they should provide evidence where these other players were described as defensive midfielders. any article written before 2003 would be a good evidence.

in the absence of none, they just gotta admit they are clueless about football.

this is what makelele's teammates in madrid said about his departure.

zidane:
Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?

fernando hierro:
I think Claude has this kind of gift – he's been the best player in the team for years but people just don't notice him, don't notice what he does. But you ask anyone at Real Madrid during the years we were talking about and they will tell you he was the best player at Real. We all knew, the players all knew he was the most important. The loss of Makélelé was the beginning of the end for Los Galacticos… You can see that it was also the beginning of a new dawn for Chelsea. He was the base, the key and I think he is the same to Chelsea now.

but let's blame the english media according to dayokanu. english journalists put those words in hierro's mouth.

true

raumdeuter: Coogar find one article on the internet dated before 1995 that described Maradona Pele Cryuff Eusebio as attacking midfielders

So they were attacking mid fielders?? Eusebio?? Pele??

raumdeuter: Coogar find one article on the internet dated before 1995 that described Maradona Pele Cryuff Eusebio as attacking midfielders

but they weren't - the traditional formation was used in those days: 2-3-5 was the formation then. pele was an inside left

matthaus played in the modern era. 4-4-2 & his variants were already popular then so if he was a defensive midfielder like you claim, an article should be out there describing them as one.

if you cannot find proof, then you are clueless!

raumdeuter:

With the part in bracket you are excused.

How many yrs did Makelele spend in Madrid and how many CL titles did he win there and in his entire career

do u judge a player solely by his CL titles? but can u tell me that makelele that Madrid were the same after he left or he did not aid in chelsearly dominating the epl 2004-2006

Dhellake: So they were attacking mid fielders?? Eusebio?? Pele??

Find one article on the internet dated before 1995 that called Maradona and Cryuff attacking midfielders

TheCarefreeOne: do u judge a player solely by his CL titles? but can u tell me that makelele that Madrid were the same after he left or he did not aid in chelsearly dominating the epl 2004-2006

Why did he win just 1 CL with the same Madrid galacticos in 3 seasons.

coogar:

but they weren't - the traditional formation was used in those days: 2-3-5 was the formation then. pele was an inside left

matthaus played in the modern era. 4-4-2 & his variants were already popular then so if he was a defensive midfielder like you claim, an article should be out there describing them as one.

if you cannot find proof, then you are clueless!

Find one proof from the internet dated pre 1995 that described Maradona as an attacking midfielder, if you can't that means the others named as such are more talented

raumdeuter:
Find one proof from the internet dated pre 1995 that described Maradona as an attacking midfielder, if you can't that means the others named as such are more talented

dayo, you are hurting your credibility with this argument. now is the time to quit.

this was the standard formation until the late 60s when pele was active. pele retired in 71.

[img]http://footballspeak.com/image.axd?picture=2012%2F4%2F235-football-formation.jpg[/img]

coogar:

that's not even the point - ask dayo to find one article on the internet where redondo, matthaus, ardilles, rijkaard, cocu, etc were described as defensive midfielders before 2003.

they claim there have been other players doing the makelele role before makelele - they should provide evidence where these other players were described as defensive midfielders. any article written before 2003 would be a good evidence.

in the absence of none, they just gotta admit they are clueless about football.

this is what makelele's teammates in madrid said about his departure.

zidane:
Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?

fernando hierro:
I think Claude has this kind of gift – he's been the best player in the team for years but people just don't notice him, don't notice what he does. But you ask anyone at Real Madrid during the years we were talking about and they will tell you he was the best player at Real. We all knew, the players all knew he was the most important. The loss of Makélelé was the beginning of the end for Los Galacticos… You can see that it was also the beginning of a new dawn for Chelsea. He was the base, the key and I think he is the same to Chelsea now.

but let's blame the english media according to dayokanu. english journalists put those words in hierro's mouth.

This should send you to bed:

www.footballsgreatest.weebly.com/defensive-midfielders.html

Excerpt from the article:

''They have the discipline to remain deep, behind the ball, but if an opportunity opens up for them to attack they will take it''.

The writer was defining the role of a DM and not a CM. At the end of the day, it's clear enough that Makelele possessed limited skillset - there was no damn invention as opined by Mr Coogar.

Maradona too retired in the late 60's

That's why you can't give us any article pre 1995 that calls Maradona an attacking midfielder

AirborneLacer:

This should send you to bed:

www.footballsgreatest.weebly.com/defensive-midfielders.html

Did U check the Votes people made The Redondo you people are claiming is last in the Votes.. Makelele Shīts on him anytime anyday..

coogar:

dayo, you are hurting your credibility with this argument. now is the time to quit.

this was the standard formation until the late 60s when pele was active. pele retired in 71.

[img]http://footballspeak.com/image.axd?picture=2012%2F4%2F235-football-formation.jpg[/img]

Brazil did not play that formation during Pele's time. They played 4-2-4 during Pele's era and especially at the 58 and 70 world cups. They were the ones who sent the 2-3-5 and W M formations to the grave

AirborneLacer:

This should send you to bed:

www.footballsgreatest.weebly.com/defensive-midfielders.html

Excerpt from the article:

''They have the discipline to remain deep, behind the ball, but if an opportunity opens up for them to attack they will take it''.

The writer was defining the role of a DM and not a CM. At the end of the day, it's clear enough that Makelele possessed limited skillset - there was no damn invention as opined by Mr Coogar.

that article was written after 2003. an article that mentioned benitez as liverpool's manager wasn't written pre-2003. it seems there's wool in your ears.

it seems you don't understand why a role was named after makelele. for the others before him, they were for general purposes. tackling, bombing forward, dribbling, passing(long & short ranges) shooting, crossing, man-marking out star-players, etc

with makelele - he was a specialist!
he just does the basics attached to defending. anything outside that echelon isn't his responsibility. makelele's role was to tackle cleanly, win the ball & pass it 3 yards to the next man. that's what he did week in week out and thus got that specialist role named after him.

raumdeuter: Maradona too retired in the late 60's
That's why you can't give us any article pre 1995 that calls Maradona an attacking midfielder

there was no internet pre-95, are you a bush man?

Bimfo:

Did U check the Votes people made The Redondo you people are claiming is last in the Votes.. Makelele Shīts on him anytime anyday..

Injury robbed Redondo of his accolades. The level Redondo was playing before he got injured Makelele never matched it

coogar:
there was no internet pre-95, are you a bush man?

Ok more slack. Pre 1998. Now get to work