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Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 11:46pm On Apr 27, 2013
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:30pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shia Ayatollah says Allah is NOT ONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpQ-KC-RP4


Shia Ayatollah Hydari lies against Shaykul Islam Ibn Taymiyahh (May Allah have mercy on him) and is called out by viewers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtYZq96Hdg
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:33pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shia really worship graves and their dwellers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RXcJrnWQVc
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:35pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shia permit suicide even if by slapping themselves


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DakgHvUTABw
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:38pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shias don't believe that the Prophet (SAW) is the last Messenger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwtuS_YoRQ
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:45pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shias cannot be trusted to make a statement and stand by it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0SaipSR_Lk
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 5:49pm On Apr 28, 2013
To the same Question, Shias give Several Answers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0kd2dYsf0
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 6:10pm On Apr 28, 2013
Shia Mut'ah is Zina
Shia allow mut'ah with numerous women, of dubious character, no need for witness

An Ayatollah strongly recommends Mut'ah with total stranger in 4.00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjRSmLwTW8


In 7.08 below, the Ayatollah who extolled the virtues of Mut'ah in the video above refuses to Allow his daighter to it
Honesty? Sincerity? You won't find it with Shias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMnveNN7WZY

Other parts of the Shia Mut'ah Zina - you can see the Ayatollah repeatedly exhorting his audience to hurry and do mut'ah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUieBrEyPdk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwwK2rucw4
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 6:11pm On Apr 28, 2013
Falsehood is pillar of the Shia Faith. Ahmed Deedat Attests to it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_ERLIOjH4
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 6:40pm On Apr 28, 2013
The supreme ruler OF Iran (Khamenei) in 1.20 says there is no difference between pious Muslims. So he wants unity
But by 2.50 we see that they teach their children that prayer by non-shias amount to nothing
See Shirk in action from 3.16 for
Deception, deception is the way of Shias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhTO-HJkQP4
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 9:16pm On Apr 28, 2013
SUNNI SHIRK AND KUFR: THE GRAVE OF THE PROPHET (S) IS MORE NOBLE THAN THE THRONE OF ALLAH!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nTEAgJTyac
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 9:21pm On Apr 28, 2013
FAKE AND LLEGITIMATE SUNNI CALIPH EXPOSED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1Ynfr5MMQ
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 9:23pm On Apr 28, 2013
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 9:28pm On Apr 28, 2013
DISHONESTY OF LYING SUNNI SCHOLAR,SHEIKH ADNAN AR'OOR,CAUGHT AND EXPOSED LIVE ON TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPjdmIyeHM8
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by LagosShia: 10:25pm On Apr 28, 2013
BetaThings: Shia Ayatollah says Allah is NOT ONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpQ-KC-RP4

this is the greatest lie and (most dangerous) propaganda which you have repeated blindly from the Wahhabis on youtube.

Ayatollah Haidary never said Allah is not one.he said Allah is not one "numerically".you ought to ask if you don't know:how then is Allah (swt) "One" in Islam and as the Shia perfectly understands pure Islamic Tawheed? the answer is found in Suratul-Ikhlas,which the Wahhabi liars (who designed/tailored the propaganda video) disregarded through cherry-picking.in Suratul-Ikhalas we read: "Say Allah,He is One, the Unique/Eternal One". in other words,since Allah is the only God,Allah is One in Essence.if you say Allah is "one numerically" as the Wahhabis do believe and Wahhabis have made Allah corporal,then it leaves room for there to be another "god" or a "second god".Wahhabis believe in Tajseem (giving Allah body parts/embodiment, like hands,legs,face,etc,unlike the Shia who believe Allah cannot be limited,quantified or seen).Wahhabis believe too Allah would be seen after Qiyama in paradise.Shia believe Allah can never be seen at all,as the Quran says "No eye can grasp Him".Allah is therefore, according to Shia belief,not physical.

the wahhabi liars that made the video would quote Quranic verses after every sentence Ayatollah Haidary utters in reference to Sunni (Wahhabi) beliefs stated by Ibn Taymiyyah,and make it look as if they are refuting the Shia Ayatollah.it is the Wahhabis who believe in tajseem (embodiment/giving God corporal parts) and not the Ayatollah.how much more ungodly can these so called Muslims be,to the extent of mastering a special art in lying and twisting facts and words? the belief of the Shia about Allah (swt) is in total agreement with what is found in the Quran.Allah (swt) is One in essence,but not in number in the sense that pagans have multitude of "gods",objectified,quantified,limited and numbered.the fact that there cannot be "two gods" is because Allah (swt) is the Beginning and the End,the First and the Last and Eternal,and there is no "god" beside(s) Him,and He is indeed One in Essence.otherwise if He is numerically one,then there can be numerically a second or other "gods".so limiting or quantifying Allah (swt) by believing in Tajseem (as Wahhabis do) was what Ayatollah Haidary was refuting.
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 11:20pm On Apr 28, 2013
The Fake "Tawheed" of Ibn Taymiyyah (Sunni Wahhabi Scholar) ; Allah Has Hands and Plays With Creation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5lJ1LU3ZbA

Sunni "Tawheed" is Jewish "Tawheed"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPqHDOEHyo

Sunni (aka "Bakri"/followers of abu bakr) "Tawheed" and the "Tawheed" of Iblis (must watch)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79VBwvfzYOc

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Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by AbuMuhammad1: 9:43am On Apr 29, 2013
To all the shias on this forum and wherever. You say people falsely accuse you of saying the quran is not complete,
yet in one of the videos posted, your scholars says your hadith that says the quran contains 17,000 verses is authentic,
guess you are more knowledgeable than your scholars or ignorant or as usual playings games.

Your book kafi was quoted as saying all companions except 3 or so became disbelievers after the death of the prophet (saw), yet you still saying people are falsely accusing you. then you go on an on about non-issues, this is why i said in my first posting, these are your scholars saying things that opposes what you profess to believe. why dont you address that.

for clarity sake, what did kafi (i guess they say it is your saheeh bukhari) say about the companions?
what did your scholars say about the quran, does it contain 17,000 verses?

if our assertion is true that they affirm these two assertions, then at least be man enough to accept that you made a mistake in saying that ignorant sunni falsely accuses you and then clarify the issues if you are able.
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 1:10pm On Apr 29, 2013
Zhul-Fiqar.:
SUNNI SHIRK AND KUFR: THE GRAVE OF THE PROPHET (S) IS MORE NOBLE THAN THE THRONE OF ALLAH!!!

So grave worship is a sin?
So what happens to Shias? The core of your worship is gone then
You mean you SHIAs WILL NOT CRAWL to graves again?
We have been saying this - everyone who prays TO and CALLS on the dead in the grave is a mushrik
Shias and any other renegade Muslim sects who dabble in grave worship, repent!

SHIA MISGUIDANCE: VISIT TO THE GRAVE OF HUSSAIN IS SUPERIOR TO HAJJ!!!
SHIA SHIRK : CALLING ON HUSSAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8v1g-0WGY
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by BetaThings: 3:55pm On Apr 29, 2013
Deception is integral to Shia creed
We have seen a lot of that on this thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=preRawEG5Ic
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 9:46pm On Apr 29, 2013
BetaThings:

So grave worship is a sin?
So what happens to Shias? The core of your worship is gone then
You mean you SHIAs WILL NOT CRAWL to graves again?
We have been saying this - everyone who prays TO and CALLS on the dead in the grave is a mushrik
Shias and any other renegade Muslim sects who dabble in grave worship, repent!

SHIA MISGUIDANCE: VISIT TO THE GRAVE OF HUSSAIN IS SUPERIOR TO HAJJ!!!
SHIA SHIRK : CALLING ON HUSSAIN

so you are telling us the Shia are copying the shirk of Sunnis?

I don't believe that because no Shia believe that honoring Imam Hussein (as) or Prophet Muhammad (s) or any member of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is "worship".no Shia believe that the grave of a servant of Allah (swt) is as noble as the throne of Allah,talkless of it being "more noble" as the Sunni sheikh is saying.no Shia worships the earth and edifice in which a holy person is buried;only the memory of the holy person is revived and honored as devotion to Allah (swt),by loving His loyal servants.

and please don't forget to take a look at the videos up exposing the so called "tawhid" of sunnis! grin
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 10:10pm On Apr 29, 2013
Abu Muhammad: To all the shias on this forum and wherever. You say people falsely accuse you of saying the quran is not complete,
yet in one of the videos posted, your scholars says your hadith that says the quran contains 17,000 verses is authentic,
guess you are more knowledgeable than your scholars or ignorant or as usual playings games.

please present the video and let us know the name of this "shia scholar".

please check the below as to what the most respected of our scholars say about the completeness of the Quran:

"Shia scholars about the completeness of Quran"
http://en.shiapen.com/comprehensive/tahreef/shia-scholars-completeness-quran.html

as for the most authentic sunni book of hadith,this is what we read in it:

Imam of Sunnis Ibn Hajar Asqalani writes in his commentary of Sahih Bukhari i.e. Fatah al Bari, Volume 8 page 373:

“And Tabari and Abd bin Hamid narrated with a Sahih chain containing all the narrators from the rijal of Bukhari, from Ibn Abbas that he recited “AFALAM YATBAIN” (in verse 13:31) and said that the writer had written it [YAY-ASI] when he was drowsy.”

Sahih Muslim:

Abu Yunus, the freed slave of ‘A’isha said: ‘A’isha ordered me to transcribe a copy of the Qur’an for her and said: When you reach this verse: “Guard the prayers and the middle prayer” (ii. 238), inform me; so when I reached it, I informed her and she gave me dictation (like this): Guard the prayers and the middle prayer and the afternoon prayer, and stand up truly obedient to Allah. ‘ A’isha said: This is what I have heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).

Note: The words “and the afternoon prayer” [WASALAT AL ASR] cannot be found in the verse 2:238 in the Quran compiled by Uthman.


Your book kafi was quoted as saying all companions except 3 or so became disbelievers after the death of the prophet (saw), yet you still saying people are falsely accusing you. then you go on an on about non-issues, this is why i said in my first posting, these are your scholars saying things that opposes what you profess to believe. why dont you address that.

for clarity sake, what did kafi (i guess they say it is your saheeh bukhari) say about the companions?
what did your scholars say about the quran, does it contain 17,000 verses?

if our assertion is true that they affirm these two assertions, then at least be man enough to accept that you made a mistake in saying that ignorant sunni falsely accuses you and then clarify the issues if you are able.

al-Kafi or any book is not and cannot be "our 'sahih' bukhari".Shia Muslims regard no book (except the Quran) as "sahih" in its entirety.every hadith must be examined,for it to be accepted or rejected.no book is "sahih";only the Quran is.

our position on sahaba is clear.we love,respect and honor many sahaba.we oppose,dislike,and curse others like abu bakr and umar.our position is clear.as to how many were hypocrites,evil,wrong-doers,liars,pretenders,or oppressors,we cant really tell as the companions numbered in the thousands.but we certainly know the few ones sunnis generalize to be "all the sahaba" were evil men based on the atrocities they committed.we also know and testify to the upright character of Bilal,Miqdad,Hujr,Ammar,Abu Dharr,Salman,among others.

you have companions who killed companions,and sunnis under the banner of "companions" praise,love and respect all.it doesn't make sense.this is just in a bid to cover up for the few evil ones on whose shoulder the sunni sect's foundation rest on,and to prevent people from following the Shia line in opposing evil men and their deeds,under the banner of "sahaba" to safeguard their heroes.
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by nnofaith: 8:44pm On Apr 30, 2013
and islam is one!
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by abulbanaat(m): 8:54pm On Apr 30, 2013
Just tell us when you are going to repent from what you yourselves know is BAATIL, O RAAFIDIS?
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 10:51pm On Apr 30, 2013
abulbanaat: Just tell us when you are going to repent from what you yourselves know is BAATIL, O RAAFIDIS?

hahaha...funny boy you are Mr. Abu Liw**t!!!

WHEN WOULD YOU REPENT FROM THE BELOW UNDISPUTED BID'AH:

1.) folding your hands in prayer
2.) screaming "amen" after recitation of al-fatiha in prayer
3.) taraweeh
4.) terrorism-passing takfeer killing innocent people for not believing in your religion or ideology
5.) forbidding what Allah (swt) permitted e.g. mut'ah
6.) tampering with the adhan
7.) celebrating on Ashura
8.) doing misyar
etc
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by AbuMuhammad1: 9:55am On May 02, 2013
Sunnis are not afraid to praise Ali, Hassan and Husain when it is due and yet they say we hate ahlul bait. They were shocked to hear sunni say this, meaning they do not know their religion (thats why you see them (like lagosshia)saying shia do not say this, they do not say that and yet people more knowledgeable than him are defending those position he calims ignorance of. And of course they do not know what sunnis believe (not surprising)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CCG8hgasNQ
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by AbuMuhammad1: 10:34am On May 02, 2013
if this is not shirk then i dont know what is. Shias will never cease to amaze you and some still think we are upon the same religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=K6GXrd8BMcc&feature=endscreen
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by ZhulFiqar2: 3:22pm On May 02, 2013
Abu Muhammad: if this is not shirk then i dont know what is. Shias will never cease to amaze you and some still think we are upon the same religion.


Answer the case put against your people first.you have made claims and they were refuted.there's a video of a sunni scholar quoting shirk from sunni text,and you've not responded to it.what makes a sunni thinks so important to feel he can continue to bring more redherrings,evade questions and put forward more false claims,while believing that others have the time to waste on you? You can kiss my....

And no one really wants to share the same religion with retards who have destroyed the imageof Islam and the reputation of Muslims.thanks to sunni wahhabis/salafists I feel ashame to identify myself as a Muslim in the presence of non-muslims,while Allah (swt) have made Islam the best path and Muslims generally the best ummah.when identifying myself I always make sure to state that I am Shia Muslim, and not Sunni or the likes of boko haram and alqaeda who go on killing sprees against innocent civilians for the mere reason that they share different beliefs to theirs.therefore I must say you're delusional to think I'm happy or proud for people like you who thrive on hate and terror against humanity in their sectarian ideology, to share religion with me.
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by AbuMuhammad1: 9:54am On May 06, 2013
Anyway i have not seen the video you are referring to, but i will give you some advise and answer your question, why is it that you can never conduct yourself in a civil manner and use civil language? I guess its like shaykh adnan said, you were raised upon foul language so it is difficult to wean yourself away from it. but do yourself a favour and converse in civil manner.

So it is a matter of who made the accusation first before answers should be given? Get this clear, sunnis are not afraid to censure any sunni (scholar/layman) who makes errorneous claims, be it shirk or less than that. the problem is when people who have built their life upon deception says something, you have to double check, couple with the fact that those making the accusation are not known to have any proper understanding of islam (for the avoidance of doubt. i meant the rawafid shia).

Talking about those who destroy the image os islam, is it your self flaggetion that you want to call people to, striking even small babies with knifes, for something he knew nothing about(we can get the pics if you deny)?
is it wailing and beating oneself for no apparent reason you want to call people to?
is it cursing people on mimbar you want to call people to?
is it mutah (temporary marriage) you want to call people to? even though you will not want it for your daughter or your family member?
is it grave worship?
you people call to what is even worse than christianity, judaism put together
please let us know that good thing that shias call to, it is you who put up shows like retards.

now to some of the groups you mentioned, if you are well informed, you will know that the strongest condemnation for al-qaeda comes from sunni scholars (or those you call wahabis), if you deny that they said it we will bring it, we just do not believe in prolonging matters.
One of the strongest critics of Boko Haram is a sunni individual in the person of shaykh gumi.

what this goes to show is that, yes some sunnis might get things wrong, but the sunnis do not cover up what is against the word of Allah, they speak against it openly. the question for you is where are your scholars who condemn the shirk and profanities that you people utter? We posted some videos just for the purpose of showing the people what you shias believe. before somene sits in lagos or whereever and start denying that shias do not believe in this or that. who should we believe your scholars or you?
Re: Difference Between Shia And SUNNI Muslims by AbuMuhammad1: 7:00am On May 11, 2013

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