Tsolutionifede:
you are right, but it is not given by God, God gives potential from birth, other factors are now involved, why is it much difficult to excel in developing country like Nigeria, compare to country like United States, no be God stay one place dey approve. If you are born into rich family, it will be very easy to be rich. Think twice and leave God out of most things, he no get time, to monitor you, get money, no get money

Are you also aware that not all rich kids has access to their family wealth? Are you also aware that not all persons excel in United States?

edoairways:

Are you also aware that not all rich kids has access to their family wealth? Are you also aware that not all persons excel in United States?

I said much difficult, I am talking of an advantage

SlawG:
with what's happening all over the world? You're just like your god. No atom of seriousness..

Okay

samuelson06:


Yes! There's God. There are primarily two things about God in a situation such as this.

1. Every minister of God has a level that they can operate within. They can't go above that level except God promotes them based on their dedication to the work. As such when God promotes you to a bigger office, you can then begin to express dominion over certain things up to the level permitted for your new office.

For example, if your present office is only to teach God's Word, regardless of how you pray, you can never deliver anyone possessed by demons. You can't also prophesy or do anything outside of teaching God's Word. What this means is that if you have a problem, you'll have to submit yourself to another minister of God whose office is bigger than yours and once that person prays for you, your case would instantly receive God's attention. It's like going to see a president. There are people that'd have to pass through protocols and there are people that'd simply work directly into the president's office without hindrances to see them.

Most ministers of God understand this fact, but usually they don't want to submit to a fellow minister of God that occupies a bigger office than them and then their problem would overwhelm them. There and then, people would begin to ask questions such as yours - some genuinely and others in a bid to mock God. But God is God and God has standards. Sadly, He can't compromise them for any reason. Again, men's ignorance isn't God's business.

2. When you time is nigh, no prayer can stop it. Even the Holy Bible says there's time for everything: a time to be born and a time to die. Take note that such time to be born or die isn't within the control of any man but God alone. People born and die when it's their time. The only thing we can do as humans is to plead for God's mercy to live long on earth. It's totally up to God to grant us long life or shorten it based on our purpose on earth [that's a story for another day].

However, if it has to be your time to die, let it be that you've done everything humanly possible to stay alive and not just limit yourself to your own understanding of what should or shouldn't be.

And that is it.

What do you make of this?

14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him.

15“Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water.

16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”

17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.”

18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.

19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Matthew 17:14‭-‬20 NIV

Chai...WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE HER TO OLUKOYA OF MFM.HE PRAYED FOR BISHOP OYEDEPO WIFE WHEN SHE HAD CANCER AND THEY CUT OFF ONE OF HER BREAST.DOCTOR GAVE HER TIME TO LIVE.OLUKOYA PRAYED FOR MAMA FAITH OYEDEPO AND SENT HER FOR DELIVERANCE AT MFM CAMP.THERE,THE CANCER DISAPPEARED.CHAI...WHY? HOW CAN THIS YOUNG WOMAN DIE UNTIMELY LIKE THAT? SO SAD.

[ oh yes! Bishop Oyedepo wife got healed after our Daddy Olukoya prayed for her and sent her for deliverance at prayer city camp.hot,violent prayers started on her. the demon had no choice but to pack their bag and leave! Her cancer disappeared!

Even my own case,Satan planned to close the chapter of my life in 2018, I was dying,my kidneys ,my organs we're shutting down...medicine,doctors cannot help me.

I quickly run for my life and went for deliverance and met our Daddy Olukoya,he prayed for me and sent me for deliverance,my organs picked up,my kidneys started working again...sickness left when aggressive hot prayers started!

That spirit of infirmity and death left by fire,by force.im alive typing this from my balcony today.hallelujah,thank u Jesus.


quote5ssDRIVE post=107476208]R.I.P
Tomorrow one maga go come tell me say, her cancer got cured after visiting MF. [/quote]

[sorry about what u are going through...Go to any mountain of fire church around you for prayers.maybe enemies are spoiling ur efforts. quote author=phazotron post=107477392]


It's not that easy Bros

When you try to be a stronger Christian and Things get worse what do you do?

Or praying and praying and praying and believing and yet no answer?

I'm at the worst moment of my life and it's as if God doesn't exist

Or maybe he just abandoned me Sha �����[/quote]

Ayo081:


What do you make of this?

16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him

Verse 16 alludes to my comment. You see, same disciplines have been preaching about Jesus and also praying for people, but couldn't handle this particular case and Jesus had to step in. It doesn't mean the disciples were faithless but at that time they never grew in their faith to handling such a case and they didn't know they won't be able to heal the boy.

As a minister of God, you must understand how far you can go in your practice else you'll run into trouble sooner than later. For example, there's a difference between stretching your hand to pray for someone and laying your hand on the person's head to pray for them.

samuelson06:


Verse 16 alludes to my comment. You see, same disciplines have been preaching about Jesus and also praying for people, but couldn't handle this particular case and Jesus had to step in. It doesn't mean the disciples were faithless but at that time they never grew in their faith to handling such a case and they didn't know they won't be able to heal the boy.

As a minister of God, you must understand how far you can go in your practice else you'll run into trouble sooner than later. For example, there's a difference between stretching your hand to pray for someone and laying your hand on the person's head to pray for them.

I actually wanted to point to you that it is about knowing what you carry and not a matter of protocol or a level you operate

Because it's no 'longer I but Jesus'

It's obvious from that passage that the disciples don't know the authority they have.

38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,

Mark 9:38‭-‬39 NIV

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Mark 16:17 NIV

Those who believe and not those that operate or pass through protocol

Ayo081:


I actually wanted to point to you that it is about knowing what you carry and not a matter of protocol or a level you operate

Because it's no 'longer I but Jesus'

It's obvious from that passage that the disciples don't know the authority they have.





Those who believe and not those that operate or pass through protocol

Knowing what you carry? Yes! And it's step by step. You can't carry everything at the same time and that puts you at a certain level to operate. I know you are a believer. So, why not begin to prophecy because you believe you 'carry' it and you can do it? You get the point now? What's not there isn't there regardless of your believe. If you like, believe and pray from now till tomorrow, if the virtue to pray for deliverance or healing isn't in you, you can't do sh!t. And that doesn't mean you don't have faith but it means that God has not enabled you for that assignment. So, in essence, you have work to do and not just sit there believing you can do all things.

Bola146:
Sometimes I ask this question is there God at all? Does he really answers prayers because I wonder he would have prayed for his wife not to die or he wouldn't have prayed I don't understand. Maybe that is why He is called Unquestionable

SHUT UP

Why do some people complain when bad things happen to those that worship god ?
That spirit referred to as god is so self-centered and doesn't care.

Tsolutionifede:
I said much difficult, I am talking of an advantage

Unfortunately not all are privileged to benefit from such

edoairways:

Unfortunately not all are privileged to benefit from such

do you agree that it is much easier to make waves in developed country(USA)than developing country(Nigeria)

TiglathPILESER:
SHUT UP

You are healed by God's grace

Greenerie:
Chai...WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE HER TO OLUKOYA OF MFM.HE PRAYED FOR BISHOP OYEDEPO WIFE WHEN SHE HAD CANCER AND THEY CUT OFF ONE OF HER BREAST.DOCTOR GAVE HER TIME TO LIVE.OLUKOYA PRAYED FOR MAMA FAITH OYEDEPO AND SENT HER FOR DELIVERANCE AT MFM CAMP.THERE,THE CANCER DISAPPEARED.CHAI...WHY? HOW CAN THIS YOUNG WOMAN DIE UNTIMELY LIKE THAT? SO SAD.

Are you sure about this information? How come no one has ever said or posted about this information apart from you? Winners Chapel of Oyedepo and even MFM would have put it as a testimony in any of their bulletins,

Tsolutionifede:
do you agree that it is much easier to make waves in developed country(USA)than developing country(Nigeria)

I disagree.

edoairways:

I disagree.

oh ok, I think you need to have experience of being non privilege and see how much you strive for little things in other to get to the top

AngelicBeing:
Are you sure about this information? How come no one has ever said or posted about this information apart from you? Winners Chapel of Oyedepo and even MFM would have put it as a testimony in any of their bulletins,

Not all things are posted on the internet. There still some wise and smart Christians. We leave in a society that loves negativity

edoairways:

Not all things are posted on the internet. There still some wise and smart Christians. We leave in a society that loves negativity

You have a point though, I am not doubting the guy though but l was thinking that a testimony like that should spread like wildlife

[Olukoya is not like that.he doesn't put you on camera or record you if you come for prayers..he never records anyone! t's true,it happened.im close to the office of the G.O mfm.so I know. And you know some people are public figure,they come to him in secret.in a way it's good,to hide their shame.cancer is not good news.

If u see the miracles happening there eh,u will want to serve God.what about a pastor,his family Idol made him mad.they brought him for prayers.madness left.

what about a woman with a speaking pregnancy,the baby tells her to shut up whenever she wants says in Jesus name during her prayers.she came for prayer and instantly went into labor,it was a baby with sharp teeth and horn.

what about a man that married a woman,this man went to beach at 1 am midnight to beg her not to kill him.the kids the woman born for him all died one by one.the man sold all husband property to see his children get well.but they all died.Then the woman died.

She started attacking the man, appearing everywhere,on his bed ,in the bathroom wen bathing, in his car seat.

Attacking the man in his office,they fired him at work cos they said he is a mad man .the woman was seriously attacking the man,to come join her in the water,all of a sudden during the appeasement.

Her house came out from under water when he went to sacrifice to her with big fat black goat and white rams,so that she will not to kill him and capture him to join her in water.

His children she bore him,all of them were there with their mother in the water,she told him my husband I'm here,see ur kids here ,u must die and come and join me.he ran to mfm church.it was mountain of fire that deliver him.

Hallelujah,Thank u Jesus.

quote author=AngelicBeing post=107524150]Are you sure about this information? How come no one has ever said or posted about this information apart from you? Winners Chapel of Oyedepo and even MFM would have put it as a testimony in any of their bulletins, [/quote]

Greenerie:
[Olukoya is not like that.he doesn't put you on camera or record you if you come for prayers..he never records anyone! t's true,it happened.im close to the office of the G.O mfm.so I know. And you know some people are public figure,they come to him in secret.in a way it's good,to hide their shame.cancer is not good news.

If u see the miracles happening there eh,u will want to serve God.what about a pastor,his family Idol made him mad.they brought him for prayers.madness left.

what about a woman with a speaking pregnancy,the baby tells her to shut up whenever she wants says in Jesus name during her prayers.she came for prayer and instantly went into labor,it was a baby with sharp teeth and horn.

what about a man that married a woman,this man went to beach at 1 am midnight to beg her not to kill him.the kids the woman born for him all died one by one.the man sold all husband property to see his children get well.but they all died.Then the woman died.

She started attacking the man, appearing everywhere,on his bed ,in the bathroom wen bathing, in his car seat.

Attacking the man in his office,they fired him at work cos they said he is a mad man .the woman was seriously attacking the man,to come join her in the water,all of a sudden during the appeasement.

Her house came out from under water when he went to sacrifice to her with big fat black goat and white rams,so that she will not to kill him and capture him to join her in water.

His children she bore him,all of them were there with their mother in the water,she told him my husband I'm here,see ur kids here ,u must die and come and join me.he ran to mfm church.it was mountain of fire that deliver him.

Hallelujah,Thank u Jesus.

quote author=AngelicBeing post=107524150]Are you sure about this information? How come no one has ever said or posted about this information apart from you? Winners Chapel of Oyedepo and even MFM would have put it as a testimony in any of their bulletins,

Excellent, Mfm is definitely a great Ministry, l respect the Calling and Anointing upon the life of Dr Olukoya, His Ministry has been a huge blessing to Humanity

Mitocyan:


You sound like a Jehovah's witness to me or at least someone that has been exposed to their teachings/school of thought. Not necessarily so though, but we can agree you share the same school of thought and pattern with them. I need to point out that what they fail to point out is why we should belive the bible. No concrete evidence. Just delusion that their founders felt belief in the bible was in vogue as at then and sought for ways to do it right, commendable but still not helpful. There is absolutely no reason to take the bible seriously, in the same way I will not take anyone that makes an outlandish claim to me today without substantial proof. Good try but no. For the skeptics, don't burden yourself with the logicality of attacking "Christian" ideas just go straight to the source: the Bible and let the propagators know that there is no concrete evidence to take the bible seriously and you see the system of Christian logic fall like a pack of cards.

Had a similar long argument with a lady last week on the logicality of religion they always first come out with arguments about how their religion is logical until those "logic" are outclassed by pure logic and they end up with, "I'm in this religion because of my spirituality, its not something you can understand" the hogwash that you can expect from a cornered person. Smh.

How much do you know about the bible? How you taken the time to find out facts about the bible before being critical of it or just following some trends just because it suits your disposition?

CanadaCars:


How much do you know about the bible? How you taken the time to find out facts about the bible before being critical of it or just following some trends just because it suits your disposition?

How much do you know about Hindu religion text, how much do you know about other religions' texts??
Have you taken out time to find out facts about these religious texts or the other over 3000 religions known to man for that matter??
I can bet you just said to yourself, "why should I take them seriously because they are not compelling at the very least". Yes that's the same way I feel about the bible and NO, you cannot use excerpts from the bible to prove to me why I should take the bible seriously. They call that arguing in circles.

Oh wait, you expect me to take a book
(written before human knew how to harness the power of heat energy to drive mechanical engines) that says God, inorder for him to stop humans from erecting a tower to the heavens caused a language confusion amongst them now that we have planes, jets and even rockets that can go more than 10 times the altitude of the highest clouds without being stopped by that same God seriously??

How are those stories different from the various fables we were told from African folk lore, just how??
Or do you want me to continue with other ridiculous tales from the bible before you can see that I have read the bible before??