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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 2:55am On Apr 22, 2022
enilove:


But your Allah said this is possible for him as well , by having fun with other gods like him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَنْ نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنٰهُ مِنْ لَّدُنَّآ إِنْ كُنَّا فٰعِلِينَ
"Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so."
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 17)

ANOTHER VERSION SAYS :

١٧. لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّٱتَّخَذْنَٰهُ مِن لَّدُنَّآ إِن كُنَّا فَٰعِلِينَ

Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).

WHO ARE THE '' US'' BEING REFERRED TO HERE?
1 )The angels or other gods like Allah ?
Yes Allah was saying if he wanted to create a diversion like son or daughter he could have done so but he will never do so as such could create conflict or confusion among mankind since he had told them earlier the he was one God creation has a purpose and not a joke.
How can God create another God after he had told mankind that he was just one God he vmcat just put man to trial for the sake of fun. That was exactly what has led the world to where it is today In Christianity alone confusion already abound on whether God is solely 1 or 3 in 1.

16. That is, this world has been created with a definite purpose and not as a plaything. For, if We had wanted to enjoy a sport, We would have done so without creating a sentient, rational and responsible creature like you. Far be it from Us to put man to trial and conflict for the sake of mere fun.

If he had so he wouldn't have made him God as such would cause conflict and confusion among Mankind.



So if God had already made mankind to know he was one God why did he create another God with a different will does he just want to have fun and put mankind in confusion.


New International Version
John 17 vs 3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.



Even Jesus the word of God never called himself God but messenger of God.

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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by AntiChristian: 8:09am On Apr 22, 2022
Breadandpeppers:

You are just obsessed with Christianity and Christians nothing else

Maybe it's jealousy that you can't convert peacefully or it's fear of loosing your imaginary 7 vrigins grin

And what were you obsessed with by your saying that we fast 1-0-1 and it's only afternoon food we eat?
Where you also obsessed with Islam or it's just SE-Christian hatred mentality?

Keep your maybe to yourself or take it home.
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Breadandpeppers(f): 8:11am On Apr 22, 2022
AntiChristian:


And what were you obsessed with by your saying that we fast 1-0-1 and it's only afternoon food we eat?
Where you also obsessed with Islam or it's just SE-Christian hatred mentality?

Keep your maybe to yourself or take it home.
Why won't you have strength to type after eating 5 plates of rice this morning grin
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 8:32am On Apr 22, 2022
enilove:


But your Allah said this is possible for him as well , by having fun with other gods like him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَنْ نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنٰهُ مِنْ لَّدُنَّآ إِنْ كُنَّا فٰعِلِينَ
"Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so."
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 17)

ANOTHER VERSION SAYS :

١٧. لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّٱتَّخَذْنَٰهُ مِن لَّدُنَّآ إِن كُنَّا فَٰعِلِينَ

Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).

WHO ARE THE '' US'' BEING REFERRED TO HERE?
1 )The angels or other gods like Allah ?

Maybe it’s referring to Other Semitic gods which Allah and Elohim are part of. cheesy

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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by AntiChristian: 10:03am On Apr 22, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Sorry it's the children that can imitate their father not the other way round.
So each of God's children pick an attribute of JEHOVAH and perform excellently to the glory of our heavenly father.
Your Allah differs so you too can exhibit the attributes of your Allah or keep waiting for your Allah to come and improve your lifestyle for you! wink

Talking about picking attributes:
Did Jehovah die before Jesus died?
Was He born by a woman for Jesus to go through same?
What attribute did Satan as a God pick from Jehovah?
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:05am On Apr 22, 2022
AntiChristian:

Talking about picking attributes:
Did Jehovah die before Jesus died?
Was He born by a woman for Jesus to go through same?
What attribute did Satan as a God pick from Jehovah?
Jesus doesn't need to be born here on earth if not due to the sin of mankind, so we wouldn't have any need of him on this planet if not for our sins!
Satan is a mighty spirit being so he has something to resemble his father! smiley
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by AntiChristian: 10:08am On Apr 22, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Jesus doesn't need to be born here on earth if not due to the sin of mankind, so we wouldn't have any need of him on this planet if not for our sins!
Satan is a mighty spirit being so he has something to resemble his father! smiley

Since you said Children imitates father so did Jesus imitate his father by dying?

How did Satan imitate his father Jehovah?
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 10:10am On Apr 22, 2022
Maynman:


Maybe it’s referring to Other Semitic gods which Allah and Elohim are part of. cheesy
God has the ability of creating and selecting anyone to create a diversion (of worship) but he will never do so because he had given a commandment and told mankind he was one God. So why will he create another God with different will and attribute is it to cause confusion among Mankind and break his own commandment. That was what that verse was all about..

Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.


Even Jesus whom was called God rejected the title

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 10:12am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
God has the ability of creating and selecting anyone to be God but he will never do so because he had given a commandment and told mankind he was one God. So why will he create another God with different will and attribute is it to cause confusion among Mankind and break his own commandment. That was what that verse was all about..

Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.


Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;



What’s God? You mean Theo gotten from greek? Which means a male child?
You saying Allah is a Theo is a disgrace

Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 10:21am On Apr 22, 2022
Maynman:


What’s God? You mean Theo gotten from greek? Which means a male child?
You saying Allah is a Theo is a disgrace
Is God a Greek or English word
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 10:24am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Is God a Greek or English word


Neither, it is Germanic.
If you have another origin, lemme know.

Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 10:37am On Apr 22, 2022
Maynman:



Neither, it is Germanic.
If you have another origin, lemme know.
Well is there a difference in pronounciation between God and god.

Muslims tend to use the word "Allah" rather than God as English language and Arabic Language does not necessarily have a one on one relationship...

English don't have the right word for Allah because both God and god are pronounced the same. So we call our Creator Allah and that's one reason why others criticize muslims for calling on their creator in Arabic language or reciting the Quran in Arabic or Pray in Arabic so as not to alter meanings....


There is no god/illah but Allah... I'm sure you must have seen this before.
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 10:38am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Well is there a difference between God and god.

Man,
So tell me, where does the origin of “God” come from. It’s not a English word, according to you only “god” is a English word.

When you pronounce god and God don’t you pronounce it the same? You have been conditioned.

Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 10:54am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Yes Allah was saying if he wanted to create a diversion like son or daughter he could have done so but he will never do so as such could create conflict or confusion among mankind since he had told them earlier the he was one God creation has a purpose and not a joke.
How can God create another God after he had told mankind that he was just one God he vmcat just put man to trial for the sake of fun. That was exactly what has led the world to where it is today In Christianity alone confusion already abound on whether God is solely 1 or 3 in 1.

16. That is, this world has been created with a definite purpose and not as a plaything. For, if We had wanted to enjoy a sport, We would have done so without creating a sentient, rational and responsible creature like you. Far be it from Us to put man to trial and conflict for the sake of mere fun.

If he had so he wouldn't have made him God as such would cause conflict and confusion among Mankind.



So if God had already made mankind to know he was one God why did he create another God with a different will does he just want to have fun and put mankind in confusion.


New International Version
John 17 vs 3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.



Even Jesus the word of God never called himself God but messenger of God.

Open your physical and spiritual eyes and heart .

Allah said he could have taken wife from ''among us ''.
Human beings and other animals copulates with their likes . Who are the likes of Allah being referred to as '' AMONG US '' in the sura below :

. لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّٱتَّخَذْنَٰهُ مِن لَّدُنَّآ إِن كُنَّا فَٰعِلِينَ

Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).
Sura 21:17

Just stop commenting and think deeply on the above.

Our God does not need wife to have a Son but this Allah needs to take a wife to have a son , which shows that the above sura is nothing but Muhammad's imagination.

Explain the meaning of AMONG US .
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 11:06am On Apr 22, 2022
enilove:


Open your physical and spiritual eyes and heart .

Allah said he could have taken wife from ''among us ''.
Human beings and other animals copulates with their likes . Who are the likes of Allah being referred to as '' AMONG US '' in the sura below :

. لَوْ أَرَدْنَآ أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّٱتَّخَذْنَٰهُ مِن لَّدُنَّآ إِن كُنَّا فَٰعِلِينَ

Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son, etc.), We could surely have taken it from Us, if We were going to do (that).
Sura 21:17

Just stop commenting and think deeply on the above.

Our God does not need wife to have a Son but this Allah needs to take a wife to have a son , which shows that the above sura is nothing but Muhammad's imagination.

Explain the meaning of AMONG US .


Unfortunately, The Quran is not only about christians, Jews but idol worshippers.

Allah was talking about the different religions that exist. Some religion beleives Allah has daughters, Some religion beleives Allah has a wife, some beleive Allah has a son.

So Allah was not responding to the Christians in this scenerio, but those who believe Allah has a wife/daughters.


Allah is passing a message that he is the only one.

Then Allah revealed the following, when they said that the angels are Allah's daughters: (If We had wished to find a pastime) if We wished to have daughters; and it is said that this means: if We wished to have a wife; and it is also said that this means: if We wished to have children, (We could have found it in Our presence) from Us from among the maidens of Paradise (if We ever did) and We will never do this.



Us: is referring to Angels since Allah was responding to those who claim Angels are Allah's daughters/wife and not christians e.t.c
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 11:10am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Well is there a difference in pronounciation between God and god.

Muslims tend to use the word "Allah" rather than God as English language and Arabic Language does not necessarily have a one on one relationship...

English don't have the right word for Allah because both God and god are pronounced the same. So we call our Creator Allah and that's one reason why others criticize muslims for calling on their creator in Arabic language or reciting the Quran in Arabic or Pray in Arabic so as not to alter meanings....


There is no god/illah but Allah... I'm sure you must have seen this before.

There’s nothing like “God” in English language it got his origin from germanic origin as you can READ.
is there any part of the Quran they wrote “God” so why calling your Allah that?
And how do you pronounce god and God?, how do you produce dog and Dog?

Is intentional ignorance part of your religion? Why don’t you want to face reality?
“English don’t have the right word” who are the English? See how you are sounding darn

Where did Muslims get the word “Allah”?

Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 11:32am On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Well is there a difference in pronounciation between God and god.

Muslims tend to use the word "Allah" rather than God as English language and Arabic Language does not necessarily have a one on one relationship...

English don't have the right word for Allah because both God and god are pronounced the same. So we call our Creator Allah and that's one reason why others criticize muslims for calling on their creator in Arabic language or reciting the Quran in Arabic or Pray in Arabic so as not to alter meanings....


There is no god/illah but Allah... I'm sure you must have seen this before.

Allah is not God but an idol. This is the reason he did not know how baby is formed in the womb :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَّآءٍ دَافِقٍ
"He was created from a fluid, ejected,"
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 6)
يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
"Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 7)

Let me ask you this; Is your sperm ejected from your backbone?
Do women have sperms coming from their ribs ?
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by dangoteinlaw: 11:51am On Apr 22, 2022
Breadandpeppers:

You are just obsessed with Christianity and Christians nothing else

Maybe it's jealousy that you can't convert peacefully or it's fear of loosing your imaginary 7 vrigins grin
Muslims are full of trouble and conflicts. If they are not busy throwing bombs, impregnating 7yo girls or sleeping with animals they come on nairaland to create senseless threads with no argument basis. They poison everything they touch.

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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 11:56am On Apr 22, 2022
enilove:


Allah is not God but an idol. This is the reason he did not know how baby is formed in the womb :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَّآءٍ دَافِقٍ
"He was created from a fluid, ejected,"
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 6)
يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
"Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 7)

Let me ask you this; Is your sperm ejected from your backbone?
Do women have sperms coming from their ribs ?


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَّآءٍ دَافِقٍ
"He was created from a fluid, ejected,"
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 6)
يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
"Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 7)

Please where did you see sperm in that verse, bro you saw fluid and not sperm.

Since the Qur’an never says that sperm is made between the ribs and backbone all debate is futile.

“khuliqa minm Maina Dafiq” which is translated by a fluid . No mention of sperm here nor anywhere else or even semen.

What is in fact an error is the translation (or understanding) of fluid as sperm. The fluid consists of only 2.5% of sperms and 97 to 98% of prostaglandins, Zinc, lipids, steroid hormones, enzymes, amino acids, and minerals not produced by the testes.

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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 12:00pm On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Unfortunately, The Quran is not only about christians, Jews but idol worshippers.

Allah was talking about the different religions that exist. Some religion beleives Allah has daughters, Some religion beleives Allah has a wife, some beleive Allah has a son.

So Allah was not responding to the Christians in this scenerio, but those who believe Allah has a wife/daughters.


Allah is passing a message that he is the only one.

Then Allah revealed the following, when they said that the angels are Allah's daughters: (If We had wished to find a pastime) if We wished to have daughters; and it is said that this means: if We wished to have a wife; and it is also said that this means: if We wished to have children, (We could have found it in Our presence) from Us from among the maidens of Paradise (if We ever did) and We will never do this.


Us: is referring to Angels since Allah was responding to those who claim Angels are Allah's daughters/wife and not christians e.t.c

This proves that Allah is not a God but an idol by thinking of marrying an angel in order to have a son.

You need to read your Quran and hadith with an open heart and then you will see clearly that Allah is an idol.
For example , the sign of Allah is worshipping idols :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَآئِرِ اللَّهِ  ۖ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا  ۚ وَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ شَاكِرٌ عَلِيمٌ
"Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 158)

WAS THIS NOT THE PRACTICE OF THE IDOLATERS?
WHY HAS IT NOW BECOME THE SYMBOL OF ALLAH?

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَاصِمٌ، قَالَ قُلْتُ لأَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَكُنْتُمْ تَكْرَهُونَ السَّعْىَ بَيْنَ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةِ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ لأَنَّهَا كَانَتْ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ، حَتَّى أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ ‏{‏إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ اللَّهِ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا‏}‏‏.‏

Narrated `Asim:

I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-Islamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka`ba, or performs `Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2:158)

Sahih al-Bukhari 1648
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 129
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 710  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 12:05pm On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَّآءٍ دَافِقٍ
"He was created from a fluid, ejected,"
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 6)
يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
"Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs."
(QS. At-Taariq 86: Verse 7)

Please where did you see sperm in that verse, bro you saw fluid and not sperm.

Since the Qur’an never says that sperm is made between the ribs and backbone all debate is futile.

“khuliqa minm Maina Dafiq” which is translated by a fluid . No mention of sperm here nor anywhere else or even semen.

What is in fact an error is the translation (or understanding) of fluid as sperm. The fluid consists of only 2.5% of sperms and 97 to 98% of prostaglandins, Zinc, lipids, steroid hormones, enzymes, amino acids, and minerals not produced by the testes.

Stop deceiving yourself .

The gushing fluid referred to is the biological name for sperm.

Why did Allah not remember that there is AN EGG from the woman which is fertilized by the sperm?
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by haekymbahd(m): 12:12pm On Apr 22, 2022
enilove:


This proves that Allah is not a God but an idol by thinking of marrying an angel in order to have a son.

You need to read your Quran and hadith with an open heart and then you will see clearly that Allah is an idol.
For example , the sign of Allah is worshipping idols :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَآئِرِ اللَّهِ  ۖ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا  ۚ وَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ شَاكِرٌ عَلِيمٌ
"Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 158)

WAS THIS NOT THE PRACTICE OF THE IDOLATERS?
WHY HAS IT NOW BECOME THE SYMBOL OF ALLAH?

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَاصِمٌ، قَالَ قُلْتُ لأَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَكُنْتُمْ تَكْرَهُونَ السَّعْىَ بَيْنَ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةِ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ لأَنَّهَا كَانَتْ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ، حَتَّى أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ ‏{‏إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ اللَّهِ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا‏}‏‏.‏

Narrated `Asim:

I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-Islamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka`ba, or performs `Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2:158)

Sahih al-Bukhari 1648
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 129
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 710  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari


Just Jumping from one thing to another.

The khaabah was built by both Abraham and Ishmael.

What was the significance of As-Safa and Al-Marwah before Islam?
The significance of As-Safa and al-Marwa originated because of the story of Hajra (AS), the wife of Ibrahim (AS).

When the son of Hajra (AS), Ismail (AS), was still a newborn, Allah commanded Ibrahim (AS) to leave the two of them near the valley of Makkah. This was a great test from Allah. Makkah was not yet a city then. It was nothing but desert.

So, leaving his son and wife there was a test of difficulty of such a magnitude that most of us would never understand. But, they both did it out of the trust of Allah.

When Hajra (AS) was left there and Ibrahim (AS) turned his mount around to go back, she called to him asking: “Ibrahim, what are you doing leaving us here where there is no one and nothing?”

He didn’t say anything. She asked him this repeatedly, and he was silent. Then, finally she asked: “Has Allah commanded you to do this?”

He said yes, and she said: “Then He will not neglect us.”

This is a story of trust in Allah even in difficulty, and this trust paid off. When her water ran out and Ismail (AS) started crying out of thirst, she tried to look for water. She ran from one hill to another hill looking for any caravan in sight or any source of water. Those two hills that she ran between were As-Safa and Al-Marwa.
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 1:12pm On Apr 22, 2022
haekymbahd:
Just Jumping from one thing to another.

The khaabah was built by both Abraham and Ishmael.

What was the significance of As-Safa and Al-Marwah before Islam?
The significance of As-Safa and al-Marwa originated because of the story of Hajra (AS), the wife of Ibrahim (AS).

When the son of Hajra (AS), Ismail (AS), was still a newborn, Allah commanded Ibrahim (AS) to leave the two of them near the valley of Makkah. This was a great test from Allah. Makkah was not yet a city then. It was nothing but desert.

So, leaving his son and wife there was a test of difficulty of such a magnitude that most of us would never understand. But, they both did it out of the trust of Allah.

When Hajra (AS) was left there and Ibrahim (AS) turned his mount around to go back, she called to him asking: “Ibrahim, what are you doing leaving us here where there is no one and nothing?”

He didn’t say anything. She asked him this repeatedly, and he was silent. Then, finally she asked: “Has Allah commanded you to do this?”

He said yes, and she said: “Then He will not neglect us.”

This is a story of trust in Allah even in difficulty, and this trust paid off. When her water ran out and Ismail (AS) started crying out of thirst, she tried to look for water. She ran from one hill to another hill looking for any caravan in sight or any source of water. Those two hills that she ran between were As-Safa and Al-Marwa.


Telling us why and how the idolaters started their idolatry does not cancel the fact that it was an idolatry ritual.

The point am making is that Islam is pure idolatry just like the pre Islamic era. Meaning Allah is satanic and not your Creator.
Muhammad stylishly made you Muslim to be worshipping the idols of his ancestors.

For example , why did Muhammad bow to the three daughters of Allah of allat , manat andl al-uzar and recited satanic verse ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ  ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

TAFSEER FOR THE ABOVE

tAsbab al-Nuzul
The commentators of the Qur'an said: "When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, saw that his people were shunning him, he was aggrieved by their rejection of the message he brought them and he secretly wished that Allah, exalted is He, reveals something to him which would bring him and his people closer to each other, keen as he was to see them accept faith. One day, he sat in one of the congregations of Quraysh which attracted a huge number of its members, and he wished that Allah, exalted is He, does not reveal to him on that day anything that might repel them from him. Allah, exalted is He, revealed to him then Surah al-Najm (By the star when it stetteth…) [Surah 53]. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, recited it but when he reached (Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other) [53:19- 20], the devil put on his tongue what he had secretly wished and hoped for and said: 'These are the mighty cranes (gharaniq) and their intercession is hoped for'. When the Quraysh heard this, they were very pleased. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, carried on reciting until the end of the Surah and then prostrated. All the Muslims followed suit and prostrated, and all the idolaters who were present prostrated too. All those who were present, whether Muslim or disbeliever, prostrated except al-Walid ibn al- Mughirah and Abu Uhyahah Sa'id ibn al-'As who were too advanced in age and could not prostrate, but they both grabbed a handful of dust and put their foreheads on it. The Quraysh then dispersed, happy with what they heard. They said: 'Muhammad has mentioned our idols with complimentary terms. We know that Allah gives life and takes it away, He creates and provides sustenance, but these idols of ours will intercede for us with Him. Now that Muhammad has associated them, we are all with him'. That evening, Gabriel, peace be upon him, went to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: 'What have you done? You recited to people that

Was Muhammad ignorant of these idols or was it during the time he was bewitched that made him to bow to idols?

No , he was doing the will of Allah
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Broveens42(m): 5:14pm On Apr 22, 2022
AntiChristian:


Since you said Children imitates father so did Jesus imitate his father by dying?

How did Satan imitate his father Jehovah?


This question was dodged grin
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Alaefulu(m): 5:47pm On Apr 22, 2022
You Christian folks should focus more on answering question directly not bringing irrelevant issues.

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Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 2:24am On Apr 23, 2022
Alaefulu:
You Christian folks should focus more on answering question directly not bringing irrelevant issues.

Haven't you read it in ur Qur'an that irrelevant answers are okay even if nobody understands it but the person giving the answer only ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

هُوَ الَّذِىٓ أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايٰتٌ مُّحْكَمٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشٰبِهٰتٌ  ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَآءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ  ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا اللَّهُ  ۗ وَالرّٰسِخُونَ فِى الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا  ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُولُوا الْأَلْبٰبِ
"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 7)
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by AntiChristian: 8:46am On Apr 23, 2022
enilove:


Haven't you read it in ur Qur'an that irrelevant answers are okay even if nobody understands it but the person giving the answer only ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

هُوَ الَّذِىٓ أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايٰتٌ مُّحْكَمٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشٰبِهٰتٌ  ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَآءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ  ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا اللَّهُ  ۗ وَالرّٰسِخُونَ فِى الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا  ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُولُوا الْأَلْبٰبِ
"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."


(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 7)


Please which school did you attend?

How does the Qur'an verse you quoted relates to the sentence above in bold?
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by enilove(m): 3:14pm On Apr 23, 2022
AntiChristian:


Please which school did you attend?

How does the Qur'an verse you quoted relates to the sentence above in bold?

You can't see neither will you understand how they are related like your prophet .
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by AntiChristian: 3:58pm On Apr 23, 2022
enilove:


You can't see neither will you understand how they are related like your prophet .


Can you and all your Christian fam see? No! You all lack both sight and insight.

If so you won't believe God had son not to talk of God sending his son on a journey of death!
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by tctrills: 4:44pm On Apr 23, 2022
haekymbahd:
1. God is a title just as Man is a title if God claims to be one God how was he able to produce a Son who is also God with a different will.


2. Why did Gabriel tell Mary to name the baby Jesus instead of Yahwe as since Yahwe is said to be the name of God?

You are right, God is a title and a state. The bible teaches that man can become God.
Philippians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
as children of God, we have the potential to be like the Father, that is basic biology. Jesus Christ was able to achieve this and he came to teach us how.
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by Maynman: 4:46pm On Apr 23, 2022
tctrills:

You are right, God is a title and a state. The bible teaches that man can become God.
Philippians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
as children of God, we have the potential to be like the Father, that is basic biology. Jesus Christ was able to achieve this and he came to teach us how.

That verse was referring to God(Theo) which means god gift. They didn’t write Bible in English language.
Re: Begotten Son (God) Of The One God How Possible? by tctrills: 4:46pm On Apr 23, 2022
AntiChristian:


Can you and all your Christian fam see? No! You all lack both sight and insight.

If so you won't believe God had son not to talk of God sending his son on a journey of death!
God sent his son on a journey of death. Dont forget that we all must die. Verily, verily, I say unto you, еxcept a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
death has a purpose in the plan of God.

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