https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfl8_ugrtVo

F-35 and F-22 are the most sophisticated fighter jets

Because they are written in English

God1000:
F-35 and F-22 are the most sophisticated fighter jets

The most useless expensive military gear you mean.

They are no match to Russian 5G stealth fighters.

The Russians already cracked their radar signal and have upgraded their radar detection and deterrence systems to deal with them.

5 years ago

RevDesm0ndJuju:


The most useless expensive military gear you mean.

They are no match to Russian 5G stealth fighters.

The Russians already cracked their radar signal and have upgraded their radar detection and deference systems to deal with them.

yet they still don't have air superiority in Ukraine...boss forget all these your Grammar,when it comes to air combat superiority America is ahead of everyone...what Russian and China is doing is catch up

Obainoneandonly:
yet they still don't have air superiority in Ukraine...boss forget all these your Grammar,when it comes to air combat superiority America is ahead of everyone...what Russian and China is doing is catch up

The same Ukrainian govt that is begging the US to impose a no fly zone ?

Why did the US not heed that call and send their F35s?

Russian stealth fighters have not been deployed to Ukraine because there is no Ukrainian air force left and sending them without a major air threat will see the US acquire much needed radar signals on them to be cracked .

The current air support deployed by Russians are concentrated on mostly ground support and taking out Ukrainian choppers and drones. Even the Russian missile systems are more than capable to deal with whatever air threat the Ukrainians still have.

Just last week , Russian missile system took out 27 Ukrainian choppers and over 30 drones in the battle for Snake Island.

With hypersonic missiles, Russian stealth fighters don't even need to operate within Ukraine as their missile range and speed can reach any target in near real time over Ukraine.

RevDesm0ndJuju:


The same Ukrainian govt that is begging the US to impose a no fly zone ?

Why did the US not heed that call and send their F35s?

Russian stealth fighters have not been deployed to Ukraine because there is no Ukrainian air force left and sending them without a major air threat will see the US acquire much needed radar signals on them to be cracked .

The current air support deployed by Russians are concentrated on mostly ground support and taking out Ukrainian choppers and drones. Even the Russian missile systems are more than capable to deal with whatever air threat the Ukrainians still have.

Just last week , Russian missile system took out 27 Ukrainian choppers and over 30 drones in the battle for Snake Island.

With hypersonic missiles, Russian stealth fighters don't even need to operate within Ukraine as their missile range and speed can reach any target in near real time over Ukraine.

Ukraine scouts will run away from these thread no skin left

RevDesm0ndJuju:


The most useless expensive military gear you mean.

They are no match to Russian 5G stealth fighters.

The Russians already cracked their radar signal and have upgraded their radar detection and deterrence systems to deal with them.

You guys will just open your mouth and be Typing anyhow. Learn you won't. The leading Shealth technology Aircraft is US.

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BritishNaija:


You guys will just open your mouth and be Typing anyhow. Learn you won't. The leading Shealth technology Aircraft is US.

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Stealth is obsolete.

You can only use it once when fighting an advanced military like Russia.

So let's say Americans deploy their stealth fighters and are successful in their air raids over Russia. The Russians will simply go back to their radar board and analyze the signature of the radar during the strike and update and fine tune their radar to be able to detect the F35s.

But who needs manned stealth fighters when you have hypersonic ramjet powered missiles that produce a plasma shield when cruising to a target and thus has stealth capabilities .

These sane hypersonic missiles are too fast and highly mannueverable than any manned fighters that they US has no solution to.

A Russian stealth fighter will take off within the arctic circle without existing Russian airspace and triggering US radar systems, launch its hypersonic missiles to strike targets in the US and be back to its Arctic base in time to watch the news of his attack on CNN.

The era of dogfights is over since Russia launched their hypersonic missiles. Do they US have such capabilities or deterrence to Russian hypersonic missiles ?/NO! And is for that reason they will not be sending any useless overpriced MIC junk to the skies of Jewkraine.

The thread has been derailed and now the western and American apologists would avoid this thread like a plague!! Ehya.. [s][/s]

RevDesm0ndJuju:
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Stealth is obsolete.

You can only use it once when fighting an advanced military like Russia.

So let's say Americans deploy their stealth fighters and are successful in their air raids over Russia. The Russians will simply go back to their radar board and analyze the signature of the radar during the strike and update and fine tune their radar to be able to detect the F35s.

But who needs manned stealth fighters when you have hypersonic ramjet powered missiles that produce a plasma shield when cruising to a target and thus has stealth capabilities .

These sane hypersonic missiles are too fast and highly mannueverable than any manned fighters that they US has no solution to.

A Russian stealth fighter will take off within the arctic circle without existing Russian airspace and triggering US radar systems, launch its hypersonic missiles to strike targets in the US and be back to its Arctic base in time to watch the news of his attack on CNN.

The era of dogfights is over since Russia launched their hypersonic missiles. Do they US have such capabilities or deterrence to Russian hypersonic missiles ?/NO! And is for that reason they will not be sending any useless overpriced MIC junk to the skies of Jewkraine.

I do not know Why you are bitter over US Air superiority matters, you also messed your writeup by saying Shealth is obsolete, Chai.

To start with, you do not even know how radar works, you exposed yourself about that by saying Fine tunning An engagement radar to detect a shealth Aircraft as if you are tunning radio band. Damn!
This shows you do not know how Shealth Aircraft works. The US Shealth Aircraft like F-35 radar cross section is 0.0015 sqm, I Hope you know how small that is, Radar can not detect it, and even if you can detect it, there is no way way you can paint and engage what is as small as golf ball with missiles through radar.

Example is Israel Airforce flying sorties during raids Inside Syria and Russia S-400 failed to detect hem, talkless of engaging.

You went ahead again to say the Era of dog Fight is over, and no need for manned jets. Another place you are dead wrong.
Manned fighter planes are still and will remain the best for accuracy and effectiveness.

The Reason Russia failed woefully in Ukraine and are still battling to seize Ukraine is lack of Air power superiority, assuming Russia have vast number of Shealth Aircraft like F-35 ( Let me not bring in the more deadly F-22raptor and B-2spirit) comparison, all Ukraine S-300 and Fighter jets would have been wiped out by now and Kyiv crumbled from precision bombing from Russia.

Again you went ahead to mention Hypersonic missiles, Hypersonic missiles first of all have range, Maybe like 1200miles, and only Good for fix targets and not moving targets. And again It's not cheap for Russia to produce.
And again, hypersonic missles are Useless without a lunch platform,(Specific Jet fighters).
Reason Russia have not used more hypersonic messiles, not only that It's expensive to use, and not all target you do use it on, the plaftform( Aircraft) to lunch it from are restricted to fly freely due to Ukraine S-300 and Airforce are still active, and you don't use such weapons against Tanks.

Forget about the self hype deceit from Russia, the only leverage Russia have is Nuclear weapons, when it comes to conventional war, They are zero with a Modern Army.

BritishNaija:


I do not know Why you are bitter over US Air superiority matters, you also messed your writeup by saying Shealth is obsolete, Chai.

To start with, you do not even know how radar works, you exposed yourself about that by saying Fine tunning An engagement radar to detect a shealth Aircraft as if you are tunning radio band. Damn!
This shows you do not know how Shealth Aircraft works. The US Shealth Aircraft like F-35 radar cross section is 0.0015 sqm, I Hope you know how small that is, Radar can not detect it, and even if you can detect it, there is no way way you can paint and engage what is as small as golf ball with missiles through radar.

Example is Israel Airforce flying sorties during raids Inside Syria and Russia S-400 failed to detect hem, talkless of engaging.

You went ahead again to say the Era of dog Fight is over, and no need for manned jets. Another place you are dead wrong.
Manned fighter planes are still and will remain the best for accuracy and effectiveness.

The Reason Russia failed woefully in Ukraine and are still battling to seize Ukraine is lack of Air power superiority, assuming Russia have vast number of Shealth Aircraft like F-35 ( Let me not bring in the more deadly F-22raptor and B-2spirit) comparison, all Ukraine S-300 and Fighter jets would have been wiped out by now and Kyiv crumbled from precision bombing from Russia.

Again you went ahead to mention Hypersonic missiles, Hypersonic missiles first of all have range, Maybe like 1200miles, and only Good for fix targets and not moving targets. And again It's not cheap for Russia to produce.
And again, hypersonic missles are Useless without a lunch platform,(Specific Jet fighters).
Reason Russia have not used more hypersonic messiles, not only that It's expensive to use, and not all target you do use it on, the plaftform( Aircraft) to lunch it from are restricted to fly freely due to Ukraine S-300 and Airforce are still active, and you don't use such weapons against Tanks.

Forget about the self hype deceit from Russia, the only leverage Russia have is Nuclear weapons, when it comes to conventional war, They are zero with a Modern Army.

You assume that Radar technology is still stuck on WW2 mode.

Stealth feature only attempts to deflect radar pings or at best minimize radar signature.

The reason US stealth B-2 bomber movements are highly classified is to prevent their flight being analyzed by Radar.

As I said once a stealth bomber is known to be in the air, radar technicians will scramble the signature to get a compatible resonance to be used in detecting same aircraft in future.

Think of it as a crime scene with finger prints all over the place. The police will take the prints and running it into a database. Where there is no match, they will not discard the print but keep it and compare it to a suspect's .

There are radar technology that can identify a single bird in the air.

As I said, the US will not risk sending F35s or any stealth aircraft in their arsenal because once it gets into the hot zone of Ukraine with all the ground , ship and missile radar network, it will eventually make useless the stealth capabilities of the stealth aircraft.

Stealth aircrafts are best used in a one of all out nuclear strike. Even when used in airspaces with old radar systems, the Russians and Chinese will scramble to get the data captured by ground radar.

RevDesm0ndJuju:


The same Ukrainian govt that is begging the US to impose a no fly zone ?

Why did the US not heed that call and send their F35s?

Russian stealth fighters have not been deployed to Ukraine because there is no Ukrainian air force left and sending them without a major air threat will see the US acquire much needed radar signals on them to be cracked .

The current air support deployed by Russians are concentrated on mostly ground support and taking out Ukrainian choppers and drones. Even the Russian missile systems are more than capable to deal with whatever air threat the Ukrainians still have.

Just last week , Russian missile system took out 27 Ukrainian choppers and over 30 drones in the battle for Snake Island.

With hypersonic missiles, Russian stealth fighters don't even need to operate within Ukraine as their missile range and speed can reach any target in near real time over Ukraine.

How many drone and choppers does Ukraine have?
And I believe that Russia controls the snake island, so where is the pictorial evidence of the drone that got shot down?

TabletMan:
How many drone and choppers does Ukraine have?
And I believe that Russia controls the snake island, so where is the pictorial evidence of the drone that got shot down?

Over 30 Turkish drones where shot down during the battle to retake snake island.

27 Su-25s, and 14 choppers.

The US is now redirecting MIGs and helicopters meant for the Afghan govt to jewkraine and has signed a lend lease agreement to supply Ukraine with more weapons. Just yesterday $40bn was approved by US Congress as aid to Ukraine.

If they are not losing their gear to the Russians why will the US and NATO be passing the offering tray round themselves for Jewkraine?

If this is what winning looks like them I don't want to be winning .

God1000:
F-35 and F-22 are the most sophisticated fighter jets

S500 says hello

TabletMan:
How many drone and choppers does Ukraine have?
And I believe that Russia controls the snake island, so where is the pictorial evidence of the drone that got shot down?

Ukraine tried to take back Snake island.
They lost a lot trying.
Russia acted like they were leaving snake island.
It’s was posted by many pro Ukraine account and they even blamed it on UK and Ukraine president, for not listening to his military officers according to those pro Ukraine, Russia already knew about all the plan and acted like no Russia defence in place.
It’s was massacre as none of the Ukraine troops survive and all the aircrafts were down.

BritishNaija:


You guys will just open your mouth and be Typing anyhow. Learn you won't. The leading Shealth technology Aircraft is US.

There's no stealth technology...at least not now

F35 is as stealth as Russian Air defence are not involve

Not with its radar signature now known

But I will like you to argue this so i can make my point better

RevDesm0ndJuju:


You assume that Radar technology is still stuck on WW2 mode.

Stealth feature only attempts to deflect radar pings or at best minimize radar signature.

The reason US stealth B-2 bomber movements are highly classified is to prevent their flight being analyzed by Radar.

As I said once a stealth bomber is known to be in the air, radar technicians will scramble the signature to get a compatible resonance to be used in detecting same aircraft in future.

Think of it as a crime scene with finger prints all over the place. The police will take the prints and running it into a database. Where there is no match, they will not discard the print but keep it and compare it to a suspect's .

There are radar technology that can identify a single bird in the air.

As I said, the US will not risk sending F35s or any stealth aircraft in their arsenal because once it gets into the hot zone of Ukraine with all the ground , ship and missile radar network, it will eventually make useless the stealth capabilities of the stealth aircraft.

Stealth aircrafts are best used in a one of all out nuclear strike. Even when used in airspaces with old radar systems, the Russians and Chinese will scramble to get the data captured by ground radar.

Firtst if all, If Any Country that has Shealth Aircraft wants to attack you, They will not be announcing it, Secondary, Fine tunning of Any radar if need be is done automatically.

Another thing is, you can never Fine tune a radar wave to the point of seeing things the size of bird, otherwise you will have your radar screen full of the images of anyflying birds and that will create a confusion.

Again, if you lets assume you are able to set your radar to detect bird, it will not still be able to detect F-35 As It's cross section is same as golfball.
Then lets also assume you were able to reduce the wave to detect golfball size objects, not only you will have you screen full of clusters of unidentifiable objects, you can never ever tell which one is shealth.
Then lets assume you were lucky to identify the F-35, Radar is not design to paint such size of object. That is just my point.

seunny4lif:

Ukraine tried to take back Snake island.
They lost a lot trying.
Russia acted like they were leaving snake island.
It’s was posted by many pro Ukraine account and they even blamed it on UK and Ukraine president, for not listening to his military officers according to those pro Ukraine, Russia already knew about all the plan and acted like no Russia defence in place.
It’s was massacre as none of the Ukraine troops survive and all the aircrafts were down.

Russia has taken pospana and are heading towards the Soledar-Bakmut direction

In the last 48 hours Russia has taken full control of Voivodivka and Zarya and are heading towards Pavlorah in a wedgelike formation to cut off Lysichansk from Severedonesk

Recall that Ukraine forces fighting in Donbas are concentrated in Kramatorsk-Slavyansk-Severedonesk-Bakmut area

There will be many cauldron like mauripol very soon where Ukrainian forces will be cut off

Svlla:


There's no stealth technology...at least not now

F35 is as stealth as Russian Air defence are not involve

Not with its radar signature now known

But I will like you to argue this so i can make my point better

Please there is Shealth techology, Proven in Syria already; F-35 vs Russian S-400.

BritishNaija:

Firtst if all, If Any Country that has Shealth Aircraft wants to attack you, They will not be announcing it, Secondary, Fine tunning of Any radar if need be is done automatically.

Another thing is, you can never Fine tune a radar wave to the point of seeing things the size of bird, otherwise you will have your radar screen full of the images of anyflying birds and that will create a confusion.

Again, if you lets assume you are able to set your radar to detect bird, it will not still be able to detect F-35 As It's cross section is same as golfball.
Then lets also assume you were able to reduce the wave to detect golfball size objects, not only you will have you screen full of clusters of unidentifiable objects, you can never ever tell which one is shealth.
Then lets assume you were lucky to identify the F-35, Radar is not design to paint such size of object. That is just my point.

Once an attack occurs, nobody will tell the Russians it was a stealth bomber since their radar will not warn them of it .

They will just go back and pore over the data and find a signature that best describes the flight path of the stealth aircraft.

Look, this angle I am towing about the obsolescent nature of stealth aircrafts as a one time weapon is even adopted by NATO and Russia .

What both NATO , Russia and now China are concentrating on is cyber warfare towards disrupting and intercepting communication lines .

You can simply google "stealth bomber obsolete" for more info.

BritishNaija:


Please there is Shealth techology, Proven in Syria already; F-35 vs Russian S-400.

There are no S400 battalions in Syria.

They only got the S300 from the Russians .

BritishNaija:


Please there is Shealth techology, Proven in Syria already; F-35 vs Russian S-400.

F35 vs S400 in Syria? When?
S400 is operate by Russia military alone and even the S300 are not even handled over to Syria military till now because of Former PM of Israel who traveled to Russia then.

I have been following Syria since I was in Libya in 2011

RevDesm0ndJuju:


There are no S400 battalions in Syria.

They only got the S300 from the Russians .

Please Always be Sure Before you comment.

Help yourself https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/amp/

seunny4lif:

F35 vs S400 in Syria? When?
S400 is operate by Russia military alone and even the S300 are not even handled over to Syria military till now because of Former PM of Israel who traveled to Russia then.

I have been following Syria since I was in Libya in 2011

Then you have not been following the syria war. Russia setup and control the S-400 in syria.

BritishNaija:


I do not know Why you are bitter over US Air superiority matters, you also messed your writeup by saying Shealth is obsolete, Chai.

To start with, you do not even know how radar works, you exposed yourself about that by saying Fine tunning An engagement radar to detect a shealth Aircraft as if you are tunning radio band. Damn!
This shows you do not know how Shealth Aircraft works. The US Shealth Aircraft like F-35 radar cross section is 0.0015 sqm, I Hope you know how small that is, Radar can not detect it, and even if you can detect it, there is no way way you can paint and engage what is as small as golf ball with missiles through radar.

Example is Israel Airforce flying sorties during raids Inside Syria and Russia S-400 failed to detect hem, talkless of engaging.

You went ahead again to say the Era of dog Fight is over, and no need for manned jets. Another place you are dead wrong.
Manned fighter planes are still and will remain the best for accuracy and effectiveness.

The Reason Russia failed woefully in Ukraine and are still battling to seize Ukraine is lack of Air power superiority, assuming Russia have vast number of Shealth Aircraft like F-35 ( Let me not bring in the more deadly F-22raptor and B-2spirit) comparison, all Ukraine S-300 and Fighter jets would have been wiped out by now and Kyiv crumbled from precision bombing from Russia.

Again you went ahead to mention Hypersonic missiles, Hypersonic missiles first of all have range, Maybe like 1200miles, and only Good for fix targets and not moving targets. And again It's not cheap for Russia to produce.
And again, hypersonic missles are Useless without a lunch platform,(Specific Jet fighters).
Reason Russia have not used more hypersonic messiles, not only that It's expensive to use, and not all target you do use it on, the plaftform( Aircraft) to lunch it from are restricted to fly freely due to Ukraine S-300 and Airforce are still active, and you don't use such weapons against Tanks.

Forget about the self hype deceit from Russia, the only leverage Russia have is Nuclear weapons, when it comes to conventional war, They are zero with a Modern Army.

Russia has the air platform to launch its hypersonic ballistic missile (Khinzal). There are two aircrafts dedicated for this role. The mig-31K interceptor & the TU-22M bomber.

The Khinzal Hypersonic missile (Kh-47M2) range is 2,000 km (1,200 mi; 1,100 nmi) when carried by the MiG-31K and 3,000 km (1,900 mi; 1,600 nmi) when carried by the Tu-22M3. The aircrafts don't need to enter enemy airspace to hit target. The missile has been tested in Ukraine. The Pentagon has confirmed that it was used effectively.

There are two Sea platforms for the sea based Russian Hypersonic Cruise Missile (Zircon). It can be launched from Submarine and Warship. The Zircon is a top secret weapon. Unlike the Khinzal Hypersonic Missile. The world knows it existence but no one knows what it looks like.

BritishNaija:


Please Always be Sure Before you comment.

Help yourself https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/unanswered-israeli-air-strikes-against-syria-raise-s-400-questions/amp/

IDF propaganda .

.
The S400 will obliterate any bird or missile NATO has in their arsenal.

But fact still remains that Russia only deployed S300 to Syria to tackle Turkish and Israeli F16s.

RevDesm0ndJuju:


Once an attack occurs, nobody will tell the Russians it was a stealth bomber since their radar will not warn them of it .

They will just go back and pore over the data and find a signature that best describes the flight path of the stealth aircraft.

Look, this angle I am towing about the obsolescent nature of stealth aircrafts as a one time weapon is even adopted by NATO and Russia .

What both NATO , Russia and now China are concentrating on is cyber warfare towards disrupting and intercepting communication lines .

You can simply google "stealth bomber obsolete" for more info.

Shealth Bomber is not absolete if so US will not be building to introduce more upgraded Shealth bombers, If so Russia will not be fighting to get as many as possible, the only thing keeping Russia from Having more than one operational Shealth fightee is not only the problems they were facing techically, But cash for it, coupled with corruption.

BritishNaija:


I do not know Why you are bitter over US Air superiority matters, you also messed your writeup by saying Shealth is obsolete, Chai.

To start with, you do not even know how radar works, you exposed yourself about that by saying Fine tunning An engagement radar to detect a shealth Aircraft as if you are tunning radio band. Damn!
This shows you do not know how Shealth Aircraft works. The US Shealth Aircraft like F-35 radar cross section is 0.0015 sqm, I Hope you know how small that is, Radar can not detect it, and even if you can detect it, there is no way way you can paint and engage what is as small as golf ball with missiles through radar.

Example is Israel Airforce flying sorties during raids Inside Syria and Russia S-400 failed to detect hem, talkless of engaging.

You went ahead again to say the Era of dog Fight is over, and no need for manned jets. Another place you are dead wrong.
Manned fighter planes are still and will remain the best for accuracy and effectiveness.

The Reason Russia failed woefully in Ukraine and are still battling to seize Ukraine is lack of Air power superiority, assuming Russia have vast number of Shealth Aircraft like F-35 ( Let me not bring in the more deadly F-22raptor and B-2spirit) comparison, all Ukraine S-300 and Fighter jets would have been wiped out by now and Kyiv crumbled from precision bombing from Russia.

Again you went ahead to mention Hypersonic missiles, Hypersonic missiles first of all have range, Maybe like 1200miles, and only Good for fix targets and not moving targets. And again It's not cheap for Russia to produce.
And again, hypersonic missles are Useless without a lunch platform,(Specific Jet fighters).
Reason Russia have not used more hypersonic messiles, not only that It's expensive to use, and not all target you do use it on, the plaftform( Aircraft) to lunch it from are restricted to fly freely due to Ukraine S-300 and Airforce are still active, and you don't use such weapons against Tanks.

Forget about the self hype deceit from Russia, the only leverage Russia have is Nuclear weapons, when it comes to conventional war, They are zero with a Modern Army.

First let me correct the bolded

Every rocket weapon needs a platform for launch but thinking the Russian hypersonic missiles are only launched from aircraft is false

Do your research and be open minded. you don't have to be hidebound about it


Zircon is Russian hypersonic cruise missiles launched from Surface Ships and Submarines and also have a group base launcher
It is hypersonic and have and operation range of 1000km and maximum 1500km

S400 still remains the best anti aircraft anti missile system in the world although not deployed in Ukraine because there's no need for it yet.

You mentioned stationary target, well Khinzal is a surface to ground missile but YES It can hit a moving target. It was designed to hit enemies surface vessels and ships are moving targets

Like I said before there's no stealth technology yet...Is it stealth if the moment it opens its cargo bay or attempts to drop tactical load its radar signature is pick up by all known radar installations?
That's why these stealth jets like the B2 bombers are best used for carrying Nuclear load

BritishNaija:

Shealth Bomber is not absolete if so US will not be building to introduce more upgraded Shealth bombers, If so Russia will not be fighting to get as many as possible, the only thing keeping Russia from Having more than one operational Shealth fightee is not only the problems they were facing techically, But cash for it, coupled with corruption.

You give these yanks too much credit .

Was it not in the Bikini Islands that a naval flotilla was demonstrated to be obsolete with the nuclear bomb?

But that hasn't stopped the crooked Pentagon from expending money on acquiring more naval air carriers .

You must understand that American MIC is geared towards profit and graft and their response is only targeting third world nations or non state actors like the Taliban .

The US military model can not compete with a second rate military force talk more of the likes of Russia or China.

It is at best an agbaya military with a bullying mentality .

RevDesm0ndJuju:


IDF propaganda .

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The S400 will obliterate any bird or missile NATO has in their arsenal.

But fact still remains that Russia only deployed S300 to Syria to tackle Turkish and Israeli F16s.

Why do you guys like saying propaganda to facts? S-400 was deployed to syria and manned by Russia troops. It was propaganda and yet Erdogan made reference to it? It was propaganda, and yet Syria Army created a website criticizing it? Read before you spit.