estheragha:
1. Every human being( both Jews and Gentiles) is ist born as an unrighteous sinner

2. and needs to be born again, born a second time spiritually, as a righteous inorder to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 5:18-19
[18]Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
[19]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

1. Again, Sin is transgression of God's Law and commandments but Righteousness has to do with being right with God aka not cursed or unholy etc.

Paul's supposed claim in Romans 3 aside, the scriptures he referenced which are attributed to David - Psalm 14 vs.1-7 and Psalm 53 - never in fact posit that all are sinners. David instead spoke that Psalm in reference to non Jews aka Gentiles clazzifuing them as unrighteous, not sinners.

2. Being born-again does not bestow righteousness in Jesus Christ on anyone - man or woman. Instead what it means to be born-again, this as explained by Jesus Christ, is that one gains entry into the Kingdom of God, God's New Covenant - John 3 vs 5 - 8, either through the Broad gate that leads to Hell or the narrow gate that leads to Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. Yes, those who will end up in Hell are also born-again, this according to Jesus Christ. So unless you mean righteousness will exist in Hell, I suggest you begin digesting scripture with both eyes and mind open..

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Sin is transgression of God's Law and commandments but Righteousness has to do with being right with God aka not cursed or unholy etc.

Paul's supposed claim in Romans 3 aside, the scriptures he referenced which are attributed to David - Psalm 14 vs.1-7 and Psalm 53 - never in fact posit that all are sinners. David instead spoke that Psalm in reference to non Jews aka Gentiles clazzifuing them as unrighteous, not sinners.

2. Being born-again does not bestow righteousness in Jesus Christ on anyone - man or woman. Instead what it means to be born-again, this as explained by Jesus Christ, is that one gains entry into the Kingdom of God, God's New Covenant - John 3 vs 5 - 8, either through the Broad gate that leads to Hell or the narrow gate that leads to Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. Yes, those who will end up in Hell are also born-again, this according to Jesus Christ. So unless you mean righteousness will exist in Hell, I suggest you begin digesting scripture with both eyes and mind open..

Romans 3:22-23
For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Sinful, unrighteous, unholy, sinners all mean the same thing and Sinless, righteous, holy all mean the same thing.
The word sin, (hamartia)’ in ancient Greek, means to ‘miss the mark.’ In other words, it is to do something wrong. It is a sin to disobey God’s orders. However what’s the most serious sin? It’s to disregard/ignore the Word of God and not believe in it.


Mark 7:20-23, “And He said, ‘What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’”
Jesus said that people are DEFILED sinners because they are born with sin. Do you understand what this means? We are born as sinners because we are all Adam’s descendants. But we cannot see the truth because we neither accept nor believe in all of His Words.

Jesus said that what comes out of a human being, the sins within, defiles him/her. We are born with the seeds of sin already inside our hearts due to ADAM. That is why we bear the fruit of sin and commit sin. Just like an apple tree bear the fruit of apple, human being are likened to sinful trees that bear the fruit of sin.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—


Secondly,
Born again means ‘to be born the second time.’ A human being ist born as a sinner is born again and becomes righteous when he/she is saved spiritually by believing in the baptism of Jesus and His Cross. We can spiritually be born again by believing in the baptism and the blood of Jesus. The born-again are those who have been washed of all their sins and “who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation” (Hebrews 9:28).


To be born again and to be saved means the same thing. However, there are many who do not know this truth. To be born again means that the sin in one’s heart has been washed away through belief in the gospel of the water and the Spirit. It means to become righteous through faith in the baptism of Jesus and His sacrifice on the Cross.

Before being born again, people are sinners, but after, they are completely without sin literally, born again as a new person. They have become a child of God by believing in the gospel of salvation. Being born again means wearing the clothes of the baptism of Jesus, dying on the Cross with Jesus, and being resurrected with Him. It means that one has become righteous through the words of the baptism and the Cross of Jesus. When one is born from the womb of one’s mother, he is a sinner. But when he has heard the true gospel of being born again of water and the Spirit, he is then born again and becomes righteous.

Romans 5:19
[19]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.


Is your name written in the book of life?Do have an idea of after death where you'll go?hell or heaven?And remember that nothing defiled will enter heaven.Not even one soul will enter heaven if it is defiled/has sins.Revelation 21:27 says,Revelation 21:27
[27]But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

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estheragha:
1. Sinful, unrighteous, unholy, sinners all mean the same thing and Sinless, righteous, holy all mean the same thing.
The word sin, (hamartia)’ in ancient Greek, means to ‘miss the mark.’ In other words, it is to do something wrong. It is a sin to disobey God’s orders. However what’s the most serious sin? It’s to disregard/ignore the Word of God and not believe in it.

2. Jesus said that people are DEFILED sinners because they are born with sin. Do you understand what this means? We are born as sinners because we are all Adam’s descendants. But we cannot see the truth because we neither accept nor believe in all of His Words.

3. Jesus said that what comes out of a human being, the sins within, defiles him/her. We are born with the seeds of sin already inside our hearts due to ADAM. That is why we bear the fruit of sin and commit sin. Just like an apple tree bear the fruit of apple, human being are likened to sinful trees that bear the fruit of sin.

4. Born again means ‘to be born the second time.’ A human being ist born as a sinner is born again and becomes righteous when he/she is saved spiritually by believing in the baptism of Jesus and His Cross.

4b. We can spiritually be born again by believing in the baptism and the blood of Jesus. The born-again are those who have been washed of all their sins and “who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation” (Hebrews 9:28).


5. To be born again and to be saved means the same thing. However, there are many who do not know this truth. To be born again means that the sin in one’s heart has been washed away through belief in the gospel of the water and the Spirit. It means to become righteous through faith in the baptism of Jesus and His sacrifice on the Cross.

1. Wrong! They do not mean the same things in any way or form.

2. Jesus Christ never said what you claim there at all. Becareful to remove your personal delusions from that which was said by Jesus Christ Himself..

3. Again, we are not born with the seed of sin as you claim. A good counter to that idea is Abel. He was born of Adam yet made righteous choices.

4. Again, this does not line up with Jesus Christ's own explanation of what it means to be born-again. He is the one who used and explained the term in John 3 vs 1 - 8, isn't He?

4b. Your claims contradict scripture..

5. These claims of yours have no bearing in scripture at all.

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! They do not mean the same things in any way or form.

2. Jesus Christ never said what you claim there at all. Becareful to remove your personal delusions from that which was said by Jesus Christ Himself..

3. Again, we are not born with the seed of sin as you claim. A good counter to that idea is Abel. He was born of Adam yet made righteous choices.

4. Again, this does not line up with Jesus Christ's own explanation of what it means to be born-again. He is the one who used and explained the term in John 3 vs 1 - 8, isn't He?

4b. Your claims contradict scripture..

5. These claims of yours have no bearing in scripture at all.

If Adam is a sinner, then how can Abel not be a sinner? You know nothing. Everyone became an automatic sinner due to Adam. We inherited sin from Adam, are you so hard of hearing and so devoid of understanding?

Romans 5:12
[12]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

As described in Mark 7:21 and onwards, everyone has the same twelve sins that proceed from his heart. First of all, one’s evil thoughts are a sin before God. And murder, adultery, theft, covetousness, wickedness, pride, and foolishness are all sins as well. The evil thoughts that are in people’s hearts are the real sources of sin that offend the holiness of God. Even though God made Adam in the likeness of His image as an eternal creature, Adam sinned against God, and as a result of this, all of us Adam’s descendants were also born as sinners, unable to escape from God’s condemnation. Because we were all born as the first man Adam’s descendants, it is in our inherent nature to commit nothing but sin and offend the holiness of God, both in our thoughts and actions; and therefore we cannot help commit sin until the day we die. Indeed, all human beings are fundamentally evil in their thoughts by nature, and they are also fragile beings easily deceived by Satan who continually challenges God’s holiness. God said that nothing but evil thoughts proceed from the human heart. Every human being is indeed exposed as a depraved sinner filled with the twelve kinds of sins listed in Mark chapter 7, from murder to adultery, theft, covetousness, fornications, foolishness, and so on. Everyone’s fundamental human nature is filled with evil thoughts. And countless people are challenging the holiness of God with their own religious piety. So we all had to be condemned by God for our sins without fail.


However, just like Abraham, everyone can become righteous due to FAITH in the word of God, in the gospel of being born of water and Spirit.
Explain
Romans 4:9
"For we say that FAITH was accounted to Abraham for righteousness."

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." - Isaiah 64:6

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23

estheragha:
1. If Adam is a sinner, then how can Abel not be a sinner? You know nothing. Everyone became an automatic sinner due to Adam. We inherited sin from Adam, are you so hard of hearing and so devoid of understanding?

Romans 5:12
[12]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

2. As described in Mark 7:21 and onwards, everyone has the same twelve sins that proceed from his heart. First of all, one’s evil thoughts are a sin before God. And murder, adultery, theft, covetousness, wickedness, pride, and foolishness are all sins as well.

3. The evil thoughts that are in people’s hearts are the real sources of sin that offend the holiness of God. Even though God made Adam in the likeness of His image as an eternal creature, Adam sinned against God, and as a result of this, all of us Adam’s descendants were also born as sinners, unable to escape from God’s condemnation.

4. Because we were all born as the first man Adam’s descendants, it is in our inherent nature to commit nothing but sin and offend the holiness of God, both in our thoughts and actions; and therefore we cannot help commit sin until the day we die. Indeed, all human beings are fundamentally evil in their thoughts by nature, and they are also fragile beings easily deceived by Satan who continually challenges God’s holiness.

5. God said that nothing but evil thoughts proceed from the human heart. Every human being is indeed exposed as a depraved sinner filled with the twelve kinds of sins listed in Mark chapter 7, from murder to adultery, theft, covetousness, fornications, foolishness, and so on. Everyone’s fundamental human nature is filled with evil thoughts. And countless people are challenging the holiness of God with their own religious piety. So we all had to be condemned by God for our sins without fail.


However, just like Abraham, everyone can become righteous due to FAITH in the word of God, in the gospel of being born of water and Spirit.
Explain
Romans 4:9
"For we say that FAITH was accounted to Abraham for righteousness."

1. Adam was a sinner because Adam transgressed God's direct commandment/Law. He chose to sin against God and that is why he wss a sinner. Abel was not recorded as being as sinners because Abel instead obeyed God's Law. Abel instead chose to obey God. The only thing we all inherited from Adam is God's judgement against Adam’s sin. That we learn from Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22.

2. Mark 7 vs 21 never states that everyone has the same 12 set of sins in them. I don't know how any sane individual can read the entire passage of Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20 and Mark 7 vs 9 - 23 , only to conclude that every one has the same set of 12 sins in them. That conclusion makes no logical sense .

3. Yet beginning with Abel, men were able to escape, how?

4. Again, beginning with Abel, men were able to escape what you claim an inherent nature?

5. Since you admit here that sin is born of choice, you have pretty much thrown all your argurment that man's nature is inherently sinful into the garbage where it belongs. By acknowledging that a choice exists from birth for all men to choose either sin or faithfulness aka trust and obedience, you basically proved that your claim that all men are born sinners is hogwash.

Kobojunkie:
1. Adam was a sinner because Adam transgressed God's direct commandment/Law. He chose to sin against God and that is why he wss a sinner. Abel was not recorded as being as sinners because Abel instead obeyed God's Law. Abel instead chose to obey God. The only thing we all inherited from Adam is God's judgement against Adam’s sin. That we learn from Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22.

2. Mark 7 vs 21 never states that everyone has the same 12 set of sins in them. I don't know how any sane individual can read the entire passage of Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20 and Mark 7 vs 9 - 23 , only to conclude that every one has the same set of 12 sins in them. That conclusion makes no logical sense .

3. Yet beginning with Abel, men were able to escape, how?

4. Again, beginning with Abel, men were able to escape what you claim an inherent nature?

5. Since you admit here that sin is born of choice, you have pretty much thrown all your argurment that man's nature is inherently sinful into the garbage where it belongs. By acknowledging that a choice exists from birth for all men to choose either sin or faithfulness aka trust and obedience, you basically proved that your claim that all men are born sinners is hogwash.

Clearly you are hard of hearing and devoid of understanding . Adam became a sinner and transferred this nature of sin to all his descendants, ie, all human beings, including you and I, as well as Abel. We all INHERITED SIN from Adam. Every single human being with no exception.

Romans 5:12
[12]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

This one man is Adam, through him sin and death entered the world, ie, all all men with no exception inherited sin for all indeed commit sin. I never in any way implied that being a sinner is by choice. It is not by choice. We are born as sinners whether we like it or not, that is why we need salvation. If we were not born with sin then why do we need salvation? What did Jesus saved us from? What was His purpose of coming to this earth? Every human being is born with sin inside their heart. We commit sin because we are sinners, not for any other reason. We can't help but sin and are thus doomed to face judgement/death. Jesus our God came for salvation precisely because of that, to save us from sin and death.


Mark 7:21
[21]For from within, out of the heart of MEN, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,.....

Why would any person not read this and be able to understand that MEN refers to ALL human being in this world with no exception? It is clear even to a child. You admit we inherited judgement/condemnation/death yet you fail to realise that the reason we inherited judgement is because we inherited sin as well for it is sin that
brings about judgement/ death.

Think about this passage:
Romans 5:12
[12]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

estheragha:
1. Clearly you are hard of hearing and devoid of understanding . Adam became a sinner and transferred this nature of sin to all his descendants, ie, all human beings, including you and I, as well as Abel. We all INHERITED SIN from Adam. Every single human being with no exception.

2. This one man is Adam, through him sin and death entered the world, ie, all all men with no exception inherited sin for all indeed commit sin. I never in any way implied that being a sinner is by choice . It is not by choice.

3. We are born as sinners whether we like it or not, tha is we need salvation. Of we were not born with then why do we need salvation? What did Jesus saved us from? What was His purpose of coming to this earth? Every human being is born with sin inside their heart. We commit sin because we are sinners, not for any other reason.

4. Why would any person not read this and be able to understand that MEN refers to ALL human being in this world with no exception? It is clear even to a child.

5. You admit we inherited judgement/condemnation/death yet you fail to realise that the reason we inherited judgement is because we inherited sin as well for it is sin that
brings about judgement/ death.

Think about this passage:
Romans 5:12
[12]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

1
Again,there is no evidence to back up this claim, your personal interpretation of Paul's statement in scripture. Instead, there is an abundance of evidence against this claim - Abel, Abraham,Noah... even Jesus Christ.

2. The very definition of the word Sin - transgression/disobedience of God's direct command - already establishes it as a choice. So?

3. Redemption aka Salvation as offered by God is offered from God's curse on mankind from Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 - aka the condemnation of sin, and not from sin - John 3 vs 16 - 21

4. Because if you read and digest that verse in the context within which it was given, you immediately realize that Jesus Christ never said what He did of all men but was instead of the cause of sin common to sinners. And all men aren't sinners.

5. Wrong, the reason we inherited God's judgement against Adam is because are, all of us, descended from Adam. Adam was made Man, and we are all born sons of men. That is why we inherited God's judgement against Adam. This isn't rocket science.

Kobojunkie:
1
Again,there is no evidence to back up this claim, your personal interpretation of Paul's statement in scripture. Instead, there is an abundance of evidence against this claim - Abel, Abraham,Noah... even Jesus Christ.

2. The very definition of the word Sin - transgression/disobedience of God's direct command - already establishes it as a choice. So?

3. Redemption aka Salvation as offered by God is offered from God's curse on mankind from Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 - aka the condemnation of sin, and not from sin - John 3 vs 16 - 21

4. Because if you read and digest that verse in the context within which it was given, you immediately realize that Jesus Christ never said what He did of all men but was instead of the cause of sin common to sinners. And all men aren't sinners.

5. Wrong, the reason we inherited God's judgement against Adam is because are, all of us, descended from Adam. Adam was made Man, and we are all born sons of men. That is why we inherited God's judgement against Adam. This isn't rocket science.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Everything you are voicing is still your personal opinion and clear lack of understanding or perhaps a deliberate denial of a passage which shows the clear truth. Romans 5:12 is enough and very clear evidence which even a child can understand. ALL MEN ARE BORN SINNERS!
Romans 5:12,
[12]Therefore, just as through ONE MAN SIN ENTERED the WORLD, and death through sin, and thus death spread to ALL MEN, because all sinned—.

It’s because of one man’s offense, Adam, that you became a sinner. In other words, you became a sinner automatically because you were born as a descendant of Adam. Because Adam and Eve sinned against God, all of us became sinners by nature. We INHERITED sin and judgement because sin leads to judgement. WITHOUT SIN, THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT.
Psalms 51:5
]Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.



Adam, Abel, Abraham, Noah are all born as sinners. However they became righteous through BELIEVING, ie, FAITH in the word of God.

Romans 4:3
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

He didn't become righteous due to not transgressing. He became righteous by virtue of BELIEVING in the Word of God.
Likewise in this era, all sinners can become righteous by BELIEVING in the GOSPEL WORD of Jesus water and Spirit.
The Word, in other words, is the only benchmark of salvation. Washing away people’s sins is only achieved according to the standard set by God. This standard is the gospel of the water and the Spirit. Outside the true gospel of salvation no one can be remitted of his or her sins and receive holiness.
Just as the Word of God had power to transform Abraham into a righteous man through his believing in it, even now, the Gospel Word of what Jesus did for the salvation of mankind has power to transform all sinners into righteous people.
Romans 5:19
[19]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made RIGHTEOUS.


But you must ist realise that every human beings is born with sin inside their heart which is why everyone commits sin inevitably. It is NEVER by choice. Even if you determine not to sin, you will still commit sin inevitably. Try and see. We are all doomed to sin whether we like it or not, therefore we are all doomed to judgement. Which human never transgressed? We all transgressed because of the sinful tendency already inside us and that is why we are doomed to receive judgement without the salvation of Jesus. No one can say I will not sin and actually be able to NEVER SIN. Its an impossibility. It goes against human nature. Human nature is such that transgresses because of the sins inside them already. We sin because we have sin in us. As SINNERS we are doomed to HELL until we achieve salvation.

Salvation in Christianity means ‘deliverance from the power or penalty of sin.’ We receive salvation when we admit that we cannot but go to hell for our sins and believe that Jesus saved us from all our sins through His birth, baptism and the blood on the Cross. It also entails the remission/ forgiveness of sins. Sins are forgiven when we become CLEANSED of all sins once and for all through BELIEVING in the gospel of being born again of the water and the Spirit. The faith in the gospel of the water and the Spirit is to believe in a series of truths: Jesus Christ’s divinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His baptism and crucifixion, and His resurrection. Those who become sinless by believing in the salvation of Jesus, the baptism and blood of Jesus, are called ‘the saved, the born-again, and the righteous.’

Let me ask you , Are you a sinner or a righteous man?

Man's inherent nature of sin

estheragha:
1. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Everything you are voicing is still your personal opinion and clear lack of understanding or perhaps a deliberate denial of a passage which shows the clear truth. ....

2. It’s because of one man’s offense, Adam, that you became a sinner. In other words, you became a sinner automatically because you were born as a descendant of Adam. Because Adam and Eve sinned against God, all of us became sinners by nature. We INHERITED sin and judgement because sin leads to judgement. WITHOUT SIN, THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT.

3. Adam, Abel, Abraham, Noah are all born as sinners. However they became righteous through BELIEVING, ie, FAITH in the word of God. He didn't become righteous due to not transgressing. He became righteous by virtue of BELIEVING in the Word of God. Likewise in this era, all sinners can become righteous by BELIEVING in the GOSPEL WORD of Jesus water and Spirit.

4a. The Word, in other words, is the only benchmark of salvation. Washing away people’s sins is only achieved according to the standard set by God. This standard is the gospel of the water and the Spirit. Outside the true gospel of salvation no one can be remitted of his or her sins and receive holiness.

4b. Just as the Word of God had power to transform Abraham into a righteous man through his believing in it, even now, the Gospel Word of what Jesus did for the salvation of mankind has power to transform all sinners into righteous people.

1. Now of what I have stated so far is personal since all I have done is tell you what is instead written in scripture.

2. Again, the statement in bold is inaccurate aka a lie. What mankind instead inherited from Adam is God's judgement aka curse and that curse remains the reason why both the unbelievers and believers( even the righteous) alike suffer.

3. Do you know the proper use of the word "nature"? It is used to describe that aspect of a thing that cannot be easily gotten rid of no matter what one tries.

According to you, man has has sin nature. Yet, you believe there are also men who were able to rid themselves of this nature simply by obeying God. That alone already indicates either a lack of understanding as far as your use of the term "nature" to qualify sin in men, or that you are simply propagating an idea you don't even have a real understanding of.

God cursed mankind and that curse is what remains on all mankind - unbelievers and believers alike(even the righteous among them). The curse can be regarded of nature because nothing man does can rid Him of the curse. Only God can lift it and His redemption plan instead has man making different choices even as He continues to exist in this world that is cursed.

4a. The Old Covenant aka the Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the Children of Israel. also offered remission of sins.

4b.Transformation that you speak of happens only to those who stand faithful - living in continous submission and obedience of Jesus Christ's commandments(and teachings) - till the very end - Matthew 24 vs 13. .

Our sins are never healed in several stages❗

A woman who had been suffering from hemorrhage was healed once and for all just by touching Jesus’ garment (Mark 5:29). She was freed from not only the symptom of bleeding, but its very cause. Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Syria, was also healed from leprosy all at once (2 Kings 5:14), and a leper was immediately cleansed from his leprosy as well (Matthew 8:1-4).

The religious believe that they can receive the remission of sin through their daily repentance, even as they live everyday in sin. But for the people of faith who follow the Word, all the problems of their sins have been solved once and for all, and they live in the midst of the grace of God.

The Sadducees and the Pharisees, even as they professed to believe in God, were not the ones who were healed by Jesus, but those who were healed by Him all at once were only those who, like the hemorrhaging woman and the leper, could not do anything about their illnesses on their own.

Jesus thus fulfilled all the righteousness of God by coming to this earth, becoming our own sacrificial offering like the sacrificial lambs and goats of the Old Testament, actually accepting the iniquities of sinners onto His body through His baptism, and thereby blotting out the sins of the world. This truth was shown through the daily offerings of the Old Testament. We must realize just how Jesus Christ accepted all the sins of mankind that we commit everyday when He came to this world. Only then can we be freed from all the sins of the world.
https://www.bjnewlife.org/sub.php?newlife=mission05&bidx=2186&language1=English&page_lang=english

Kobojunkie:
1. Now of what I have stated so far is personal since all I have done is tell you what is instead written in scripture.

2. Again, the statement in bold is inaccurate aka a lie. What mankind instead inherited from Adam is God's judgement aka curse and that curse remains the reason why both the unbelievers and believers( even the righteous) alike suffer.

3. Do you know the proper use of the word "nature"? It is used to describe that aspect of a thing that cannot be easily gotten rid of no matter what one tries.

According to you, man has has sin nature. Yet, you believe there are also men who were able to rid themselves of this nature simply by obeying God. That alone already indicates either a lack of understanding as far as your use of the term "nature" to qualify sin in men, or that you are simply propagating an idea you don't even have a real understanding of.

God cursed mankind and that curse is what remains on all mankind - unbelievers and believers alike(even the righteous among them). The curse can be regarded of nature because nothing man does can rid Him of the curse. Only God can lift it and His redemption plan instead has man making different choices even as He continues to exist in this world that is cursed.

4a. The Old Covenant aka the Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the Children of Israel. also offered remission of sins.

4b.Transformation that you speak of happens only to those who stand faithful - living in continous submission and obedience of Jesus Christ's commandments(and teachings) - till the very end - Matthew 24 vs 13. .

So far you haven't told me anything written in the scripture in relation to sin. Check your past posts. What you have been saying are your personal opinions devoid of any scripture. All human beings are indeed born sinners according to scripture for all have sinned.( Romans 3:23)

In this age and time people can indeed rid themselves of the sin nature gotten through Adam through Jesus ( through believing in the original gospel of being born of water and Spirit). This is according to the scripture that says Romans 5:19
[19]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

However, according to your understanding, were Abel, Abraham etc BORN into this world AS RIGHTEOUS?

And are you a sinner or a righteous?

estheragha:
1. However, according to your understanding, were Abel, Abraham etc BORN into this world AS RIGHTEOUS?

2. And are you a sinner or a righteous?

1. Again, sin is disobedience of God's Law and commandments and disobedience is a choice made against.

Abel, & Abraham etc., were not born sinners but instead unbelievers. They then made choice to obey God rather than sin against Him leading them to righteousness eventually..

2. I, a Gentile, was born an unbeliever from my birth. I then made the choice to believe God entering under His Law by which I continue to chose to and live in continuous submission to and obedience of His commandments.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, sin is disobedience of God's Law and commandments and disobedience is a choice made against.

Abel, & Abraham etc., were not born sinners but instead unbelievers. They then made choice to obey God rather than sin against Him leading them to righteousness eventually..

2. I, a Gentile, was born an unbeliever from my birth. I then made the choice to believe God entering under His Law by which I continue to chose to and live in continuous submission to and obedience of His commandments.

To be an unbeliever also is to be a sinner.
Sin is not just transgression/ disobedience of the law but unbelief in the word of God. It is a sin not to believe. All human beings are born as unbelievers in God / sinners, until they believe in the word of God. No one was born righteous nor a believer.
Romans 3:10
[10]As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;


Before Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they had already committed the sin of unbelief by refusing to believe in the word of God that told them not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Unbelief, ie, not believing in the word God told them is the IST SIN they committed inside their hearts even before they disobeyed with their body. That's is why sin is inside the human heart. If they had believed wholly in the word God told them inside their heart, they would not have disobeyed His Word.

In the presence of God, there can either be sinners or righteous . This is shown in Psalms 1:5 that says
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

So I still ask you even as you say you are a believer, are you a sinner or a righteous person since you already know that Abraham, Abel etc were transformed into righteous though they were previously sinners?

estheragha:
1. To be an unbeliever also is to be a sinner.
Sin is not just transgression/ disobedience of the law but unbelief in the word of God. It is a sin not to believe. All human beings are born as unbelievers in God / sinners, until they believe in the word of God. No one was born a believer.

2. Before Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they had already committed the sin of unbelief by refusing to believe in the word of God that told them not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Unbelief, ie, not believing in the word God told them is the IST SIN they committed inside their hearts even before they disobeyed with their body. That's is why sin is inside the human heart. If they had believed wholly in the word God told them inside their heart, they would not have disobeyed His Word.

3. In the presence of God, there can either be sinners or righteous . This is shown in Psalms 1:5 that says Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

4. So I still ask you even as you say you are a believer, are you a sinner or a righteous person since you already know that Abraham, Abel etc were transformed into righteous though they were previously sinners?

1. So where in scripture did God say that by not believing in Him man sins against Him??

2. Yet God's punishment in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 was directly connected to their disobedience of His commandment to them in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 ? Do you notice how unscriptural your claims continue to be?

3. But unbelievers are removed from "the presence of God", this by God Himself since after Adam and Eve fell.

And if you read closely the entire content of Psalm 1 vs 1 - 6, you will find that unbelievers are addressed as the wicked - Psalm 1 vs 4 - since they have no place before God - they are like chaff that the wind blows away .

4. Stop spinning tales and begin to open your eyes to what is in fact stated by God.

Kobojunkie:
1. So where in scripture did God say that by not believing in Him man sins against Him??

2. Yet God's punishment in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 was directly connected to their disobedience of His commandment to them in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 ? Do you notice how unscriptural your claims continue to be?

3. But unbelievers are removed from "the presence of God", this by God Himself since after Adam and Eve fell.

And if you read closely the entire content of Psalm 1 vs 1 - 6, you will find that unbelievers are addressed as the wicked - Psalm 1 vs 4 - since they have no place before God - they are like chaff that the wind blows away .

4. Stop spinning tales and begin to open your eyes to what is in fact stated by God.

Unbelief is a sin.

Jesus said in John 16:8-9
[8]And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9]of sin, because they do not believe in Me;


Are you a sinner or a righteous?

estheragha:
1.Unbelief is a sin.

Jesus said in John 16:8-9
[8]And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9]of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

Are you a sinner or a righteous?

1. Those who are guilty of sin are those who are already judged and condemned by God Judgement. God judged and condemned all unbelievers guilty of sin from the beginning since Adam. That judgement is what is known as the condemnation of sin aka Death. Once a person has been condemned by a law there is no longer any hope for that person under that same law .I.e. the person is pretty much dead to the law.

A sinner, on other hand, is one who has yet to be judged guilty and as such is not condemned. He or she still has hope under the very same law .i.e. a sinner is one who is still under law.

Kobojunkie:
1. Those who are guilty of sin are those who are already judged and condemned by God Judgement. God judged and condemned all unbelievers guilty of sin from the beginning since Adam. That judgement is what is known as the condemnation of sin aka Death. Once a person has been condemned by a law there is no longer any hope for that person under that same law .I.e. the person is pretty much dead to the law.

A sinner, on other hand, is one who has yet to be judged guilty and as such is not condemned. He or she still has hope under the very same law .i.e. a sinner is one who is still under law.

The question was are you a sinner or a righteous? Have you been born of water and Spirit according to John 3:5 as a what?

An apple tree is bound to bear apples even if it doesn’t want to, and a pear tree can only yield pears when it grows no matter how desperately it might want to bear some other fruits. Human beings, too, cannot help but continue to sin, no matter how much they don’t want to and how hard they try not to sin, precisely because they were all born with sin. Everyone commits sin constantly with their thoughts, acts, and hearts. If circumstances would allow, people put into action the sins they committed only with their thought, and they even commit each and every one of the twelve kinds of sin all at once.


The secular law punishes only the sins committed in deed. However, the Law of God says that even the transgressions committed with the heart are sins, and they are to be punished also. Therefore, what people may not grasp as a sin, God still sees it all clearly. As such, the iniquities that we commit in our hearts are also counted as sins in God’s sight. This is the Godspoken Law. Just as His Word is true—that sin entered through one man, and death through this sin—the claim that human beings, who are all seeds of evildoers, can live in holiness without committing any sin is a lie. It is nothing more than a whitewashed tomb; a deception that tries to hide the fact that all human beings are sinful seeds through one man Adam.

Of course, I am not suggesting here that we should try to sin deliberately. Rather, what I mean is that it’s not because people are deliberately determined to sin that they commit sin, but they cannot help but sin because they were all born as seeds of sin. Whether people sin or not has nothing to do with their level of education or character. Everyone is a sinner who repeatedly commits sin in various forms under various circumstances.


How, then, can human beings, who can only be sinners, ever become God’s sinless children? Paul answers that just as sin entered this world through one man, it is also through one Man that everyone can receive the gift of salvation and be remitted from all his sins by believing in the righteousness of God.


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estheragha:
The question was are you a sinner or a righteous? Have you been born of water and Spirit according to John 3:5 as a what?

Being born-again does not make one righteous as only those who remain faithful to the end are saved aka guaranteed righteous - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 and Mark 13 vs 13

Those who aren't born-again and aren't under God’s Old Covenant cannot be regarded as sinners as they are instead unbelievers.

Kobojunkie:
Being born-again does not make one righteous as only those who remain faithful to the end are saved aka guaranteed righteous - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 and Mark 13 vs 13

Those who aren't born-again and aren't under God’s Old Covenant cannot be regarded as sinners as they are instead unbelievers.

What are you?

A sinner or a righteous?

estheragha:
What are you?
A sinner or a righteous?

Again .. Being born-again does not make one righteous as only those who remain faithful to the end are saved aka guaranteed righteous - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 and Mark 13 vs 13

Those who aren't born-again and aren't under God’s Old Covenant cannot be regarded as sinners as they are instead unbelievers.

Kobojunkie:
Again .. Being born-again does not make one righteous as only those who remain faithful to the end are saved aka guaranteed righteous - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 and Mark 13 vs 13

Those who aren't born-again and aren't under God’s Old Covenant cannot be regarded as sinners as they are instead unbelievers.

Psalms 1:5
[5]Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

Romans 5:19
"For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous."

Human beings can be biblically divided into 2: sinners or the righteous.

I keep asking you who don't even know your spiritual status;
Are you a sinner or a righteous?

estheragha:
■ Psalms 1:5
[5]Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
■ Romans 5:19 "For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous."
■ Human beings can be biblically divided into 2: sinners or the righteous.
■ I keep asking you who don't even know your spiritual status; Are you a sinner or a righteous?

1. Look, scripture tells you that sin is transgression of God's Law implying that one has to be under God's Law in order to commit sin against God. Psalm 1 which writes about sinners clearly speaks in reference to those who were under God's Law. At the time of the writing of that Psalm, the people in question were the people of Israel — of the Nations of Israel and the Nation of Judah(split from Israel).

2. They also happen to be the same people who are considered able to enter into the agreement that is Jesus Christ — Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34 & Matthew 15 vs 24.

3. More like unrighteous and righteous and both of these as judged by God's Law, since Sin is a transgression of God's Law.

4. Spiritual status? You are kidding, right?

xproducer:
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." - Isaiah 64:6

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:23

What Paul wrote in Romans 3 was not in reference to all humans but instead to the evil people, fools who reject God. This you can easily discover by researching the source of his many statements which are culled from various places in scripture.

■Beginning in Romans 3 vs 10 - 18, Paul quotes from various parts of scripture in his attempt to explain to his brethren that they were in fact the wicked and evil generation to the destroyed by God. Yes, at that point in time, God's plan was to destroy the rest of Israel — the Nation of Judah aka the Jews— and that plan was heralded by the coming of Jesus Christ. Below, we see that what Paul wrote in that passage was of the evil people who were against God.

■ Romans 3 vs 10 - 12 quotes Psalm 53 where David writes about the evil people who do terrible things.

1 Only fools think there is no God. People like that are evil and do terrible things. They never do what is right.
2 God looks down from heaven to see if there is anyone who is wise, anyone who looks to him for help.
3 But everyone has turned away from him. Everyone has become evil. No one does anything good. No, not one person!
4 Those who are evil treat my people like bread to be eaten. And they never ask for God’s help. Don’t they understand what they are doing? - Psalm 53 vs 1 - 3

The above passage clearly says that this prophecy was said of the evil people aka the fools who convinced themselves that God does not exist. You know this from reading verse 4 where God highlights the way evil people treat His people.
■ Romans 3 vs 13 a Paul references David's prayer against his enemies found in Psalm 5

8 Lord, show me your right way of living and make it easy for me to follow. People are looking for my weaknesses, so show me how you want me to live.
9 My enemies never tell the truth. They only want to destroy people. Their words come from mouths that are like open graves. They use their lying tongues to deceive others.[a]
10 Punish them, God! Let them be caught in their own traps. They have turned against you, so punish them for their many crimes. - Psalm 5 vs 8 - 10

■ Romans 3 vs 13 b quotes from Psalm 140 where David prays to God regarding the evil people

1 Lord, save me from people who are evil. Protect me from those who are cruel,
2 from those who plan to do evil and always cause trouble.
3 Their words are as harmful as the fangs of a snake, as deadly as its venom. Selah
4 Lord, save me from the wicked! Protect me from these cruel people who plan to hurt me.
5 These proud people are trying to trap me. They spread nets to catch me; they set traps in my path. Selah - Psalm 140 vs 1 - 5

■ Romans 13 vs 15 quotes from Proverbs 1 which is a warning against evil people

10 My son, those who love to do wrong will try to trick you. Don’t listen to them.
11 They will say, “Come with us. Let’s hide and beat to death anyone who happens to walk by.
12 We will swallow them whole, as the grave swallows the dying.
13 We will take everything they have and fill our houses with stolen goods.
14 So join us, and you can share everything we get.”
15 My son, don’t follow them. Don’t even take the first step along that path.
16 They run to do something evil, and they cannot wait to kill someone. - Proverbs 1 vs 10 - 15

■ Romans 13 vs 16 - 17 references Isaiah's writing on the state of the evil people, whose sins separate them from God

1 Look, the Lord’s power is enough to save you. He can hear you when you ask him for help.
2 It is your sins that separate you from your God. He turns away from you when he sees them.
3 That’s because your hands are covered with blood from the people you murdered. You tell lies and say evil things.
4 You can’t be trusted, even in court. You lie about each other and depend on false arguments to win your cases. You create pain and produce wickedness.
5 You hatch evil, like eggs from a poisonous snake. Anyone who eats the eggs will die. And if you break one of them open, a poisonous snake will come out. Your lies are like spider webs.
6 They cannot be used for clothes, and you cannot cover yourself with them. Your hands are always busy sinning and hurting others.
7 Your feet run toward evil. You are always ready to kill innocent people. You think of nothing but evil. Everywhere you go you cause trouble and ruin.
8 You don’t know how to live in peace. You don’t do what is right and fair. You are crooked, and anyone who lives like that will never know true peace. - Isaiah 59 vs 1 - 8

■ Romans 13 vs 18 references Psalm 18 where David writes of the evil people and the workings of their minds.

1 Deep in the hearts of the wicked a voice tells them to do wrong. They have no respect for God.
2 They lie to themselves. They don’t see their own faults, so they are not sorry for what they do.
3 Their words are wicked lies. They have stopped doing anything wise or good.
4 They make wicked plans in bed at night. They choose a way of life that does no good. And they never say no to anything evil. - Psalm 36 vs 1 - 4

As you can see, every single passage of Scripture that was quoted by Paul in that context was written in reference to people who do evil — the unrighteous. And of course, there are none righteous among the evil people for they have all sinned. After establishing his focus in the earlier verses, the evil people i.e. the unrighteous, in verses 19-20 Paul reiterates that the curse on the unrighteous cannot be removed right by the Law(of Moses) — they cannot be made righteous by following the Old Law.

In verse 21, Paul then posits that God has provided for the unrighteous(evil people) a path to redemption by which they can be made righteous and that path is the New Law(The Good News). Paul insists that God makes the unrighteous people righteous through their faith in Jesus Christ and He does so for all those who believe in Jesus Christ, verse 22. Again, Paul insists in verse 23 that all(the evil people aka unrighteous) have sinned and come short of the glory of God and can only be made righteous by following, not the old Law, but the new Law which offers the free gift of grace(Eternal Life). Paul also insists that the unrighteous are able to become righteous in God by becoming free from their sins through Jesus Christ. In verses 25-26, Paul then recapped by saying that God gave Jesus Christ a way to forgive the sins of people — the unrighteous aka sinners whom He came to call to repentance — by way of what Paul refers to as the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

In all, the primary audience or focus of Paul's writing in Roman 3 were the unrighteous sinners in the land, ignoring the righteous people who equally existed at the time. As a matter of fact, at the time of Paul's writing of this epistle, the other disciples of Jesus Christ were probably righteous given they already obtained the Spirit of Truth for a companion long before this. Paul in no way meant this to say that there were absolutely no righteous individuals in the land. Rather, he focused his message on those who were listed as unrighteous and remained under God's curse from the Old Law, and yet to be set free from slavery to sin by Jesus Christ.

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THE HEART OF EVERYONE IS NATURALLY EVIL!

When we really understand humans, we realize humans are all a mass of sin. Humans are the seeds of lewd sin that cannot but commit sin throughout the entire life. Therefore, humans commit sin filled with lewdness, pride, evil thoughts, hatred, murder, theft, and all kinds of evil sins.

Would you believe if I told you humans are beings who do such things? Do you believe that humans are beings that swindle and steal much? Would you believe if I told you that humans are beings that commit adultery? Would you believe if I told you that you were such people? All such people are humans. Do you believe in the Word of the original innate sin according to the Scriptures that says all humans are born with evil sins and commit a tremendous amount of evil sins?

Human flesh only commits sin throughout the entire life. It’s not an exaggeration to say that the body of a human is a factory producing sin. The human body lives on sin that God hates as a daily meal. The flesh of a human likes to commit sin; it enjoys committing adultery, the sin of lewdness, and going against God. And that is why it needs God's mercy to avoid its due punishment.

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estheragha:
■ Human flesh only commits sin throughout the entire life. It’s not an exaggeration to say that the body of a human is a factory producing sin. The human body lives on sin that God hates as a daily meal. The flesh of a human likes to commit sin; it enjoys committing adultery, the sin of lewdness, and going against God. And that is why it needs God's mercy to avoid its due punishment.

God's mercy DOES NOT cause humans to avoid punishment/judgment. If what you claim were even the slightest of truths, Adam and Eve should have been able to avoid due punishment but that never happened. All of their descendants live that judgment to this very day. God of Israel promised to judge and condemn the entire nation of Israel eventually and He did just as — He destroyed the Nation of Israel in 720BC and its sister nation, Judah, in 70AD— He said He would in Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 through to Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 43; the descendants of Israel continue to live under that heavy curse which God promised would utterly destroy them each wherever He scattered them to on the planet until they turned back to Him and acknowledged Him again as their God.

Adam and Eve had God's mercy right there in the garden and that did not cause them to avoid God's punishment and judgment. Israel had all the mercy of God but still chose to disobey God and incur His Wrath and punishment in the end. Those whom Jesus Christ said were dogs — the non-Israelites — and so were excluded from HIs Covenant(that which is Holy) continue to live under the curse of Adam to this day even with God's mercy poured daily to them while in it. The mercy of God does not remove or reduce God's Judgment nor does it stay His judgment. His Judgment/curse is sure even as He pours His mercy on mankind every day.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=128990240] God's mercy DOES NOT cause humans to avoid punishment/judgment.

Yes it does. The punishment here isn't talking about physical punishment as you have narrated. Instead it's talking about the eternal punishment of hell, naturally meant for all mankind born as sinners. The wages/ punishment of sin is death, death here refers to the punishment of hell.

It is only by knowing and believing in His mercy revealed through His salvation works that humans can avoid punishment. Otherwise everyone is destined for hell naturally.

HUMANS ARE A BROOD OF EVILDOERS!

A human body commits sin from birth until the moment of its death. Not only does a human body like to commit sin, but it also likes to follow only its carnal desires. Isaiah 1:4 records that humans are “a brood of evildoers,” and Isaiah 59 records that there are all kinds of filthy and disgraceful things inside a human heart. Hence, a human is a mass of sin. Then, if we could deduce conclusively from God’s Word that “A human is a mass of sin,” then, we must receive this Word of God in our heart. And we must acknowledge before the presence of God that we are such sinners and then wait for the teaching of Jesus.

Humans are lewd. When a person looks at himself clearly, he can conclude that he is lewd and that lewdness is the person himself. A person who is honest with himself would accept that a human possesses the twelve kinds of sins God speaks of. Even so, there doesn’t seem to be many persons who acknowledge that he himself is lewd, that he is a mass of sin. Many people live a life like beasts in this world because they do not think they are lewd. Humans make the culture of lewdness themselves because humans are “a brood of evildoers.” One would be embarrassed if he was the only lewd person in the world doing lewd behaviors, but they have made such a lewd culture so that they are not embarrassed because everyone else is also lewd.

However, everyone’s heart feels embarrassed in one’s conscience about his behaviors of sin. It’s because God has given conscience to humans. The human conscience is the servant of God that He has sent as His deputy. Adam and Eve hid themselves between many trees after committing sin. Many trees imply a human society that is covered with lewd culture. However, they could not hide the evil in their heart. Even now, many who are a mass of sin go in the midst of many people and hide themselves behind the culture of evil sins and go on living like a prisoner waiting for execution.

However, when one seeks to be saved from his lifetime sins and be exempted from its due punishment, then Jesus is always there waiting to receive him through His gospel of water and Spirit.

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estheragha:
■Yes it does. The punishment here isn't talking about physical punishment as you have narrated. Instead it's talking about the eternal punishment of hell, [b]naturally meant for all mankind born as sinners. The wages/ punishment of sin is death, death here refers to the punishment of hell.[/b]
■It is only by knowing and believing in His mercy revealed through His salvation works that humans can avoid punishment. Otherwise everyone is destined for hell naturally.

1. Jesus Christ instead said the punishment of eternal damnation belongs only to the goats in his flock — all of them born-agains. There is nothing natural about eternal damnation.

2. Again, Jesus Christ never said any of this is natural. Also, He said that it is instead those who do the Will of the Father in the Kingdom of God— again, all of them born-again — that can avoid eternal damnation which is, yes, not natural.


So, did Jesus Christ not get it right about how things work in His own Kingdom?