Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

Olorun means "Lord or Master of the Heavens".
Eledumare means "The Lord of the Creation and the Universe and all that is in it."
Oluwa means "Our Lord"
All the three can be simply translated as God in the English Language from Yoruba. They are not names but titles, since God itself is not a name but a title, just like King is also a title.
When Yoruba Christians sing and praise Olorun, they are praising God. They are praising God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are praising Yahweh.

Yahweh is the name of God the Father in Hebrew. His name is not even pronounced by Jews out of reverence. So you it is not easy to see any song of praise by Jews with Yahweh's name being directly called due to the high revrence for the name.

Your conclusion is wrong because it is based on faulty foundations and erroneous premises. Most religions only have titles for the Supreme God and not direct names. Allah for example is not the name of the Muslim God but rather a title that translates to God in English. And it is understandable because it is difficult for you to ascribe a direct name to someone who is far removed from you like the Supreme God and with whom you have no direct interaction.

Jews historically have a level of direct interaction and affinity with their Supreme God in Judaism in a way that is absent in most religions particularly traditional religions in Africa. So drawing parallels is very difficult.

But it is not just a matter of title vs name. We see that what the Yoruba traditionally refer to as Eledumare is different in character, bearing and conduct from what the christians call God. When they are conflated it creates plenty of room for misunderstanding which is quite irksome to those who originally called their Source of creation Eledumare.

If you say it is all just a name for the source then would you be happy if scientific atheist equated yahweh to Big Bang. After all they are both the source.

There is much about Big Bang besides being the source that makes it unsuitable for equating with yahweh.

Similarly there is much about yahweh which makes him unsuitable and in fact utter irritating when equated with Eledumare.

Babinski:


Olorun means "Lord or Master of the Heavens".
Eledumare means "The Lord of the Creation and the Universe and all that is in it."
Oluwa means "Our Lord"
All the three can be simply translated as God in the English Language from Yoruba. They are not names but titles, since God itself is not a name but a title, just like King is also a title.
When Yoruba Christians sing and praise Olorun, they are praising God. They are praising God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are praising Yahweh.

Yahweh is the name of God the Father in Hebrew. His name is not even pronounced by Jews out of reverence. So you it is not easy to see any song of praise by Jews with Yahweh's name being directly called due to the high revrence for the name.

Your conclusion is wrong because it is based on faulty foundations and erroneous premises. Most religions only have titles for the Supreme God and not direct names. Allah for example is not the name of the Muslim God but rather a title that translates to God in English. And it is understandable because it is difficult for you to ascribe a direct name to someone who is far removed from you like the Supreme God and with whom you have no direct interaction.

Jews historically have a level of direct interaction and affinity with their Supreme God in Judaism in a way that is absent in most religions particularly traditional religions in Africa. So drawing parallels is very difficult.

solid3:
So what's the Yoruba name for Yahweh?

What is the English name for Bolaji?

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

Olodo. Enslaved, mindless, robotic, colomental capital olodo.

DeepSight:


Olodo. Enslaved, mindless, robotic, colomental capital olodo.

kilo fa gbogbo eyi nisin?
mindless lohun lohun

YORUBAS KNOW BETTER WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN OLUWA OLORUN.
"OLUWO" IS A PROPHET.

Obatala and Yahweh is The same Person. Yahweh is a mispronunciation, The right one is - Ya Ba Hwehu. It is an Ancient African language. Allah is also Obatala, or Yahweh - And They are not personal names, They are Titles. Olorun - Ruler of Sirius Star. Sirius Star is the first star in the present universe. Our Sun/Star is also in Orun, if You were to be viewing it from another star system. If You were to study The Yoruba Cosmology, and genealogy, You will find the it was Obatala with Other People(Orisha), created a people. Obatala and These Orishas are called Elohim/or Allah.

Lord of Creation is not Eledumare/Olodumare. Lord of Creation in Yoruba Language - Akamara which is also - Amma, Amin, Amen-ra, Agmo, Agemo, Amon, Amun etc. Olodumare - Lord of Our Star System in Yoruba language.

PastorAIO:
But it is not just a matter of title vs name. We see that what the Yoruba traditionally refer to as Eledumare is different in character, bearing and conduct from what the christians call God. When they are conflated it creates plenty of room for misunderstanding which is quite irksome to those who originally called their Source of creation Eledumare.

If you say it is all just a name for the source then would you be happy if scientific atheist equated yahweh to Big Bang. After all they are both the source.

There is much about Big Bang besides being the source that makes it unsuitable for equating with yahweh.

Similarly there is much about yahweh which makes him unsuitable and in fact utter irritating when equated with Eledumare.

PastorAIO:
But it is not just a matter of title vs name. We see that what the Yoruba traditionally refer to as Eledumare is different in character, bearing and conduct from what the christians call God. When they are conflated it creates plenty of room for misunderstanding which is quite irksome to those who originally called their Source of creation Eledumare.

If you say it is all just a name for the source then would you be happy if scientific atheist equated yahweh to Big Bang. After all they are both the source.

There is much about Big Bang besides being the source that makes it unsuitable for equating with yahweh.

Similarly there is much about yahweh which makes him unsuitable and in fact utter irritating when equated with Eledumare.

Eledumare or Olodumare comes from the phrase "O ní odù mà rè" meaning "the owner of the source of creation that does not become empty," "or the All Sufficient". It is clearly a descriptive title and not a specific name for the Supreme God.

Historically, the Yoruba worship Olodumare through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olodumare, who is more or less aloof from the people. As such there is hardly any specific characterization of Olodumare by the Yoruba people.

It is easy to translate Olodumare or Olorun into the Christian God for the Yoruba without much confusion albeit the Christian God brings God much closer to the people with a hand in the affairs of the people as opposed to the removed afar concept of Olodumare being aloof from the people in Yoruba belief system.

Yahweh is a specific name and not a descriptive name or title. I do not see how anyone can equate God much less Yahweh to the Big Bang. The Big Bang is an event and not an entity.

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

OLORUN is a direct equivalence of Elohim or Allah. It's a TITLE for the Creator.
OLORUN is a compressed form of OLU-ORUN: meaning literally "the Chief or King of Heaven".

It is a TITLE, the question is when we call OLORUN who are we calling because there could be hundreds if not thousands of OLORUN. Just like there could be thousands of PRESIDENTS but which one is your own or which one do you refer to!?

When a Christian call OLORUN, he refers to no one other than YAHWEH!

Purerealist:


So what you are saying is that I can worship the Christian god by saying praise Zeus or praise Jupiter because they have the same attributes?

Zeus or Jupiter are specific names like Yahweh and NOT titles like ELOHIM, ALLAH or OLORUN

what nonsense! Tokunbo is a name. It is descriptive too. Bolaji is a name. it is descriptive too.

Yahweh is a name. It is descriptive too. it means "I am who I am".

There is a reason why there is no shrine or ritual worship of Edumare. Such worship is accorded only to Orisha and lesser beings.

Lesser beings such as Yhwh who requires sacrifice, has rituals, has a priesthood just like any other lesser deity.

In meeting superior religion the Hebrews later tried to separate yhwh from these lower rituals hence they later developed ideas such as the Ein Soph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Sof

The Yoruba in fact do worship and address Edumare but not ritualistically. It brings me to tears to see how far my people have come from any knowledge of themselves and of their spiritual knowledge.

Traditionally when we wake up we make Iba. That is obeisance.

For example:

Traditional Mojuba


Iba Se Olodumare Oba a rere "k" aye (Reverence to God that spreads all over the universe)

Iba Se atiyo ojo (Reverence to the dawn of the day)

Iba Se atiwo oorun (Reverence to sunset)

Iba Se ile ogeere a f' oko ye ri (Reverence to Mother Earth)

https://sites.google.com/site/theyorubareligiousconcepts/suyere-prayers/mo-juba-iba

The link is in case you think I'm. making it up. Yoruba don't do anything without praying to Edumare, without acknowledging without making Iba.

Everything you do should be done in praise of Eledumare, he is above ritual and formula and cultic worship. Live your life in worship of Edumare.

Stop equating that stupid ghoul with anything in Yoruba religion.

Babinski:


Eledumare or Olodumare comes from the phrase "O ní odù mà rè" meaning "the owner of the source of creation that does not become empty," "or the All Sufficient". It is clearly a descriptive title and not a specific name for the Supreme God.

Historically, the Yoruba worship Olodumare through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olodumare, who is more or less aloof from the people. As such there is hardly any specific characterization of Olodumare by the Yoruba people.

It is easy to translate Olodumare or Olorun into the Christian God for the Yoruba without much confusion albeit the Christian God brings God much closer to the people with a hand in the affairs of the people as opposed to the removed afar concept of Olodumare being aloof from the people in Yoruba belief system.

Yahweh is a specific name and not a descriptive name or title. I do not see how anyone can equate God much less Yahweh to the Big Bang. The Big Bang is an event and not an entity.

Babinski:


Eledumare or Olodumare comes from the phrase "O ní odù mà rè" meaning "the owner of the source of creation that does not become empty," "or the All Sufficient". It is clearly a descriptive title and not a specific name for the Supreme
y.

What is Odu in Christianity? Does it exist? Is it not an Ifa concept?
Does Christianity also have 16 Odu?

Of course, Olorun is a distinct entity from Jehovah and from Allah.

Christians worship Jehovah, not Olorun, while Muslims worship Allah, and not Olorun.

Only the traditionalists worship Olorun through the lesser deities (who are past beings of Yorubaland) such as Ogun, Sango, Yemoja, and the likes.

It's only ignorance of history that would make a Yoruba worship the foreign deities like Yahweh and Allah as Olorun.

Calling Allah or Jehovah Olorun is like saying Messi is the same person as Ronaldo simply because they're both elite footballers in their own class.

Purerealist:
Recently I just observed that olorun or eludumare or oluwa is not the christian god "Yahweh", according to yoruba history, olorun had many sons and daughters, in fact obatala and oduduwa were his sons, but Yahweh had only one son according to the bible. Only if our christian brothers and sisters would know this when they praise olorun in churches.

"Olorun" is not a name, it's a title. It's like saying people should not call Him God because people worship some other god.

HedwigesMaduro:


"Olorun" is not a name, it's a title. It's like saying people should not call Him God because people worship some other god.

Olorun is another name for olodumare, the yoruba god.
God is a title not a name!

Don’t forget we have olokun too, is that also a title or a mythological figure in yoruba mythology?
And also esu is not the same as Devil/satan!

Maynman:

Olorun is another name for olodumare, the yoruba god.
Don’t forget we have olokun too, is that also a title or a mythological figure in yoruba mythology?

Olorun means "owner of the heavens". It's a title, not a name. It means God. Olokun is also a title that means "owner or king of the seas".

HedwigesMaduro:


Olorun means "owner of the heavens". It's a title, not a name. It means God. Olokun is also a title that means "owner or king of the seas".

Olokun and olorun are the 2 superior deities in yoruba mythology. One rules over sky, another over water!
They are mythological figures
And hope you know that olorun and olokun have children in yoruba mythology!

Maynman:


Olokun and olorun are the 2 superior deities in yoruba mythology. One rules over sky, another over water!
They are mythological figures
And hope you know that olorun and olokun have children in yoruba mythology!

Let me explain it this way; who you call Olorun depends on what you believe, because it is a title, not a name. It's like saying "landlord". That depends on whose house a tenant lives in. For instance (as per Olorun having children), the "God" in Islam says he doesn't have any child, the God in Christianity has a Son. Now, when a Muslim or a Christian talk about "God", it depends on their belief system.

HedwigesMaduro:


Let me explain it this way; who you call Olorun depends on what you believe, because it is a title, not a name. It's like saying "landlord". That depends on whose house a tenant lives in. For instance (as per Olorun having children), the "God" in Islam says he doesn't have any child, the God in Christianity has a Son. Now, when a Muslim or a Christian talk about "God", it depends on their belief system.

You lack understanding of what you are explaining.
To begin with,”God” is a title not a person.
I sent you a screenshot of olorun and olokun and you are still making the same blunders.
The god in islam is called Allah, and he has children.
The god in Hebrew bible is Yahweh and he is very different from allah or olorun.

In Yoruba mythology, olorun and olokun are Deities(ORISHAS), also it wasn’t olorun or olokun that created humans and earth in yoruba mythology.

In yoruba language, god means ORISHA not olorun or olokun!
Olorun is not same as yahweh or allah!
Olorun is not a Israelite god or arabic god

Zeus is the god of the heaven in greek mythology, is zeus and olorun or Yahweh the same?
Since you said “Olorun means owner of the heavens. It's a title, not a name. It means God.”
Zeus literally also means “owner of the heavens”

HedwigesMaduro:


"Olorun" is not a name, it's a title. It's like saying people should not call Him God because people worship some other god.

If it is just a title that means that another he can be deposed and another being can come and take over the title.

I'm waiting for them to say Jehovah is Olokun after all...

Isaiah 51:15 I am the LORD your God, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name.

Maynman:

Olorun is another name for olodumare, the yoruba god.
God is a title not a name!

Don’t forget we have olokun too, is that also a title or a mythological figure in yoruba mythology?
And also esu is not the same as Devil/satan!

HedwigesMaduro:


Olorun means "owner of the heavens". It's a title, not a name. It means God. Olokun is also a title that means "owner or king of the seas".

Yahweh means 'I am who I am'. Unless you are not who you are you too can call yourself Yahweh Abi?

Tokunbo means 'from overseas'. However would it make sense for anybody coming from abroad to call him or herself tokunbo when there are people using that as a personal name.

The fact that a name has meaning doesn't change the fact that it is a personal identifier for specific individuals. It is a very disingenuous trick these foreign invaders are playing by distorting and misappropriating the names of Yoruba deities.

Maynman:

And also esu is not the same as Devil/satan!

Certainly not.
I have always thought he is more akin to Loki though

Esu is very unique in my (admittedly limited) understanding

Maynman:


The god in islam is called Allah, and he has children.

I doubt this. Where do you get this from? This is one of the things Islam shouts most about against Christian ideas of "God the Son."

PastorAIO:


Yahweh means 'I am who I am'. Unless you are not who you are you too can call yourself Yahweh Abi?

I have always read that line as "I AM that I AM" - and considered it a reference to self-existence. In philosophical terms, a necessary as opposed to contingent being.

PS: This takes nothing away from my view of Yahweh as a tribal, vengeful, genocidal and blood-thirsty deity of the Jews.

I believe that she refers to the Satanic verses.

DeepSight:


I doubt this. Where do you get this from? This is one of the things Islam shouts most about against Christian ideas of "God the Son."

PastorAIO:
I believe that she refers to the Satanic verses.

Well that's controversial and certainly not mainstream in terms of the Islamic notions of the attributes of God.
He/ She laid it down as something undisputed.

DeepSight:


I doubt this. Where do you get this from? This is one of the things Islam shouts most about against Christian ideas of "God the Son."

Allah existed before islam was created.
Have you forgotten Christianity and Islam are worshipping Abrahamaic gods?

Maynman:


Allah existed before islam was created.
Have you forgotten Christianity and Islam are worshipping Abrahamaic gods?

Well that is not the Islamic conception of God.

DeepSight:


Well that is not the Islamic conception of God.

Allah existed before islam was created. And if you look in the Quran, it’s stated that allah has children
“Allah” is not even an arabic word.
And Allah and Elohim means same thing!
God is a title not a person.
The arabic god is called allah
The greek god is called zeus!

Maynman:


Allah existed before islam was created. And if you look in the Quran, it’s stated that allah has children

Kindly refer me to the Sura and verse, I have a Quoran right here, let me look it up