sonmvayina:

70 years
Three score and ten.

Then what happens if he didn't eat of the forbidden fruit?

MaxInDHouse:

Quote or cite the verse!

I did. How do you understand the quoted passage

Kobojunkie:
A clue is found in the meaning and application of the word "cherem/Herem" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herem_(war_or_property)

Please apply your understanding of the word to an interpretation. Thanks.

PastorAIO:
Please apply your understanding of the word to an interpretation. Thanks.

Interpretation of?
In the link provided you will find the following ....

▪︎The word is often used in the 6th and 7th chapters of the Book of Joshua, where Jericho came under herem. This meant it had to be completely destroyed, except for "the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron" which were to go into "YHWH's treasury" (Joshua 6:19). The following chapter describes how Achan pillaged an ingot of gold, a quantity of silver, and a costly garment for himself, and was executed by stoning.[1]

▪︎ Deuteronomy 20:17 also names six people groups who were to be subject to the ḥērem (using the verb): the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. This has led to the conquest of Canaan being referred to as genocide. For example, Ra'anan Boustan calls this "a thoroughly violent commandment" which "in modern terms would be characterized as genocide."[10]

▪︎In the Book of Judges, chapters 19–21, the town of Jabesh-Gilead was put under herem for not joining in battle against the Tribe of Benjamin.

▪︎King Saul put the priestly town of Nob under herem, nearly wiping out the priestly House of Eli.

▪︎Gustave Doré, The Death of Agag. Agag was executed by Samuel as part of God's command to put the Amalekites under herem (1 Samuel 15). The concept of herem also appears in 1 Samuel 15, where Saul "totally destroyed" (verse 8, NIV) the Amalekites with the sword, but spared their king, Agag, and kept "the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs—everything that was good." For this, Saul is rebuked by Samuel, who reminds him that God had commanded him to "completely destroy" the Amalekites (verse 15). Samuel "hacked Agag to pieces" himself (verse 33, ESV).

▪︎Most scholars conclude that the biblical accounts of extermination are exaggerated, fictional, or metaphorical.[11] In the archaeological community, the Battle of Jericho is very thoroughly studied, and the consensus of modern scholars is that the story of battle and the associated extermination are a pious fiction and did not happen as described in the Book of Joshua.[12] For example, the Book of Joshua arguably describes the extermination of the Canaanite tribes, yet Joshua 16:10 and Judges 1:1–2:5 both say that the extermination was not complete.[13]

▪︎The word herem is the last word of the prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible: "… lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction" (Malachi 4:6, ESV).

PastorAIO:
I did. How do you understand the quoted passage

Please come again with the verse.

Broveens42:

Lol.
There is no proof appearing suddenly and leaving unnoticed (what you call disappearing) make you less of a human. it has to do with unawareness or unconsciousness of people around... Just like the myth people sell that they do see people disappear ...but they fail to realize it was just one moment of concentration gap...
Now let's see the implication of your statement... Angels materialize into Human bodies, which means the human body can materialize back to spirit being (angels) after assignment abi ? see groove
But the character seems to be careful of this magical stuff, though He had his own fair share of "abracadabra"/miracles: I can be handled for A SPIRIT has no flesh and Bones just as YOU HAVE SEEN( don't need any other opinion asides what you have witnessed and heard)

Nothing you say here can disprove the facts that spirit beings exist.

cornelboy:

Nothing you say here can disprove the facts that spirit beings exist.

Have you seen any?

cornelboy:

Nothing you say here can disprove the facts that spirit beings exist.

Hahahaha ... Seems I hit you hard with real facts

cornelboy:

Nothing you say here can disprove the facts that spirit beings exist.

Let me give you a simple exercise..

"By this you know the SPIRIT of God: 'EVERY SPIRIT' that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the FLESH is of God, and EVERY SPIRIT that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the FLESH is not of God.” 1 John 4:2-3.

Exercise: Replace 'Spirit' with Number 1 or 2

1. Angel, Jesus, evil spirit

2. Ideology/consciousness

If you can't appreciate English language, how can you understand this things as just stories?

maybe because of the corrupted language, that's why we glory in meaningless things.

You don't even need to look for Hebrew Bible.. just read in your native language, you would discard this things. ...

Please any igbo person should read 1john in Igbo language

Broveens42:

Let me give you a simple exercise..
"By this you know the SPIRIT of God: 'EVERY SPIRIT' that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the FLESH is of God, and EVERY SPIRIT that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the FLESH is not of God.” 1 John 4:2-3.
Exercise: Replace 'Spirit' with Number 1 or 2
1. Angel, Jesus, evil spirit
2. Ideology/consciousness
If you can't appreciate English language, how can you understand this things as just stories?

Okay na.

Broveens42:

Hahahaha ... Seems I hit you hard with real facts

Whoa I didn't know you are a hitman. That's cool.

sonmvayina:

Have you seen any?

No.

cornelboy:

No.

You supposed to know the motivating factor: rebellion
He is a real atheist and the only way they fight back after hearing God's word is arguments as if they're the target of the message whereas Jesus specifically told his disciples to go in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} we all know the characteristics of this friendly and obedient pet.
So when we speak to someone and discovered he or she is the rebellious type we just allow them continue in their rebellion, the King himself will do justice at the right time! Luke 19:27

cornelboy:

No.

And you just believe because you read it from a book.

And what are you again?

sonmvayina:

And you just believe because you read it from a book.
And what are you again?

I believe because it has answers to my questions.

cornelboy:

I believe because it has answers to my questions.

Spirit materialising?

Or

sonmvayina:


Spirit materialising?

Or

Keep what you know to yourself baba.

cornelboy:

Keep what you know to yourself baba.

Lol...

That Jesus came to die for sins has no backing from the Torah..
It is a pagan concept...

MaxInDHouse:

Please come again with the verse.

Deuteronomy 18 verses. 20 to 22

20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, orf who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?’— 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.



Please can you tell me how you understand it.

Kobojunkie:
Interpretation of?
In the link provided you will find the following ....

C/Herem is a word used for 'utter destruction'. This particular form of absolute destruction is a sacrificial offering to Yhwh. This is clear from other passages, for instance....

Deuteronomy 13: verses 15 to17

15you must surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword. Devote to destruction all its people and livestock. 16And you are to gather all its plunder in the middle of the public square, and completely burn the city and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. The city must remain a mound of ruins forever, never to be rebuilt. 17Nothing devoted to destruction shall cling to your hands, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you as He swore to your fathers

Indeed there are offerings to Yhwh that involved the total destruction of the thing offered. It is Herem that is used in the Deuteronomy 13 passage.

Now if we look at. the Leviticus chapter 27:28 we find that the word Herem is used and we are also told that the Herem thing is 'most Holy to Yhwh'. This was not just a judicial execution. This was a ceremonial offering that involved utter destruction. It was done to appease yhwh.

PastorAIO:

Deuteronomy 18 verses. 20 to 22

20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, orf who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?’— 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
Please can you tell me how you understand it.

The God of Israel told His people that He will send another prophet in the manner of Moses and everything this prophet say in His name the Israelites must believe (trust) in him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

But during those days other prophets may arise among the Israelites but the only way to distinguish between the true and false prophets is end result of his such prophecies. Deuteronomy 18:20-22

After Jesus of Nazareth that era ended because the God of Israel never spoke anything through prophets anymore except through Jesus Christ {Hebrews 1:1-2} then Jesus began leading his disciples physically until he left the earth and later led them by the Spirit of God! John 14:26

So the case of true or false prophets ended with the old covenant which Moses is the mediator today true or false prophets aren't known anymore by their prophecies rather Jesus said it's by their FRUITS that we will know them:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men! Matthew 7:15-20

So by the results of their prophecies Israelites will IDENTIFY the true among false prophets that's what the Old Covenant teaches, that's what the Israelites used to distinguish between Elijah and the false prophets in Israel when he said rain will not fall for three years and it happened just so {1King 17:1} but in the New Covenant Jesus said "by their FRUITS" not by their prophecies!

MaxInDHouse:



After Jesus of Nazareth that era ended because the God of Israel never spoke anything through prophets anymore except through Jesus Christ {Hebrews 1:1-2} then Jesus began leading his disciples physically until he left the earth and later led them by the Spirit of God! John 14:26

So that is why your fake prophets from Watchtower are always. making nonsense. prophecies that fail.

PastorAIO:

So that is why your fake prophets from Watchtower are always. making nonsense. prophecies that fail.

Oh that's what you're thinking!

Well the false prophets in the Old Covenant will be identified by their false prophecies because God will not allow their prophecies to come true. But now it's not by prophecy but by their FRUITS! Matthew 7:15-16

All you need is knowledge not pigheadedness Sir! Hosea 4:6

PastorAIO:
Now if we look at. the Leviticus chapter 27:28 we find that the word Herem is used and we are also told that the Herem thing is 'most Holy to Yhwh'. This was not just a judicial execution. This was a ceremonial offering that involved utter destruction. It was done to appease yhwh.

"appease" him in what sense?

If He commanded the cherem, how does the carrying out of his commandment amount to an appeasing of Him?

If God commands A and I do exactly A, does that also amount to my appeasing God in my obedience of His commandment? Or is there some sort of difference here?

Kobojunkie:
"appease" him in what sense?

If He commanded the cherem, how does the carrying out of his commandment amount to an appeasing of Him?

If God commands A and I do exactly A, does that also amount to my appeasing God in my obedience of His commandment? Or is there some sort of difference here?

Appease him I the sense that the Leviticus passage says ….

, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you

Unless you don’t know what appeasement means.

MaxInDHouse:


Oh that's what you're thinking!

Well the false prophets in the Old Covenant will be identified by their false prophecies because God will not allow their prophecies to come true. But now it's not by prophecy but by their FRUITS! Matthew 7:15-16

All you need is knowledge not pigheadedness Sir! Hosea 4:6

So that is why he now fills the mouths of his prophets with lies. Fake prophecies that fall to the ground like poo from a goats backside.

So when he made those promises in Joel 28:

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.

Instead of a blessing the ghoul was cursing you with horrendously false prophecies and false dreams and visions. Actually that is so typical of it that I agree with you. You’re a true follower of the monstrosity.

PastorAIO:

So that is why he now fills the mouths of his prophets with lies. Fake prophecies that fall to the ground like poo from a goats backside.
So when he made those promises in Joel 28:
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.
Instead of a blessing the ghoul was cursing you with horrendously false prophecies and false dreams and visions. Actually that is so typical of it that I agree with you. You’re a true follower of the monstrosity.

The prophecy God gave Joel was fulfilled in the first century with Jesus' disciples {Act 2:18} it is not to extend beyond that period so Paul told the first century Christians that all such gifts will cease {1Corinthians 13:8} and towards the time of the end there will be spiritual darkness {Joel 2:31} meaning people can only wait until Bible prophecies are coming to fulfilment because God will no longer give anyone such gifts again! Revelations 22:18-19

So if you think people anticipating the Kingdom's birth are lying that's your own PERSONAL interpretation because this is what the true God told His worshipers regarding the day of judgement:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! Habakkuk 2:3

Do you think true believers anticipating God's Kingdom are lying when their expectation delay?

MaxInDHouse:


The prophecy God gave Joel was fulfilled in the first century with Jesus' disciples {Act 2:18} it is not to extend beyond that period so Paul told the first century Christians that all such gifts will cease {1Corinthians 13:8} and towards the time of the end there will be spiritual darkness {Joel 2:31} meaning people can only wait until Bible prophecies are coming to fulfilment because God will no longer give anyone such gifts again! Revelations 22:18-19

So if you think people anticipating the Kingdom's birth are lying that's your own PERSONAL interpretation because this is what the true God told His worshipers regarding the day of judgement:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! Habakkuk 2:3

Do you think true believers anticipating God's Kingdom are lying when their expectation delay?

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now.

First you say that prophecy was until Jesus but then you say Joel was talking of prophecy at Pentecost which occurred after Jesus.

Meanwhile your cult gurus in watchtower continue to fail in their prophetic claims.
You can excuse them all you want but a god whose people cannot understand or make accurate prophecy is a useless god.

PastorAIO:
Appease him I the sense that the Leviticus passage says ….

, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you

Unless you don’t know what appeasement means.

So basically very much the same appeasement achieved by pretty much anyone who obeys God's other laws?

PastorAIO:

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now.
First you say that prophecy was until Jesus but then you say Joel was talking of prophecy at Pentecost which occurred after Jesus.

Let those having insight understand God's word. God only inspired Israelites regarding the coming of Christ and whatever has to do with the kingdom of God. So when Christ came no prophecy is given to anyone again except through Jesus' disciples who must get what we need because the Bible was only from Genesis to Malachi during Jesus' time. The completion must come through Jesus' disciples that's why God's Holy Spirit will work with them until the message is complete! 1Corinthians 13:8-10
After the completion of the Bible there will be no more supernatural gifts!

PastorAIO:

Meanwhile your cult gurus in watchtower continue to fail in their prophetic claims.
You can excuse them all you want but a god whose people cannot understand or make accurate prophecy is a useless god.

Call them whatever you like i wasn't born in their midst i saw the light by considering the FRUIT Jesus asked me to watch out for {Matthew 7:16-18} not prophecy because the God of Israel never promised gentiles the gift of prophecy!