rinzylee:






I say again...No One has forced you to TITHE £$€¥

Those "if you don't tithe, your life will be tight " messages that some pastors preach nko? All that teaching about the devourer?

Awww....I just wanna hug you and tell you it will be alright..

Being 'alone' is not easy... Indeed we all need someone special to do life with. .Don't worry, God will give you the right woman just as your heart desires...she will even born ejima for you

Wish you good success in your search.

mintyx:
Hello everyone!

Thanks for all the contributions to this page which I have benefitted from a lot.

My own problem here is that I need a wife!

Yeah I'm not ashamed to ask. I have tried and maybe I haven't been lucky

I will be 39 by October. I'm 6'1, from Imo state and work with the NHS.

I don't know what handsome means to you. I might be your definition of handsome but if I'm not, trust me, I'm not bad looking.

I will prefer someone already in England. Not ruling out someone in Nigeria if it's by recommendation.

I'm looking for a good soul who knows what she wants in life and reciprocates efforts. I love a good looking lady, who smells nice, good communicator, kind and empathetic between 26-34 years of age. I will do all these as well.

I prefer from the south east, south south, some parts of the North(as long as you are a Christian).

I am Catholic (Christian) and I try as much as possible to be the best person I can. We can start from friendship/relationship and work towards settling soon.

Pls if you are or can recommend someone, pls help a brother out. Almost all the Nigerian ladies around me here are all married

I can be reached via this email: glucocareng@gmail.com

rinzylee:


Mmm....interesting

First of all..Jesus didn't say it wasn't important. He was reprimanding them for paying TITHES yet being evil hearted hypocritical people.

Truth is I can't convince anyone to pay or not to pay TITHES. It is a revelation that dawns on you. Trust me, man by nature is selfish and has more tendency to withhold than to give. Tithing is one such ordinance that helps us constantly show who is Lord of our finances.

While I am against amassing wealth and focusing on self gratification as against advancing the real reason Jesus came, I can also categorically tell you with all boldness that PROSPERITY and WEALTH is one SUCH reasons why JESUS died.

When you really understand missions and are actively involved, you will understand that private Jet is a toy and tool of missions.

Have you had to connect 7 countries in 3 days

Have you ever gone to the interior villages to see how much of the funds go into crusades that also involve medical, social, educational projects?

It will be very hard to convince you if you have not experienced these first-hand.


Who told you we were not asked to build places of worship?? Come on man, check your bible well nah.

Have you ever evaluated the cost of the temple solomon built?? Do the research , you would marvel.

So when we win souls , where do we disciple them??

I don't know sha the church you attend, but I am a product of a very rigorous training system.

We don't just save a man's soul, He must be trained and then deployed. Church is not just about praying and shouting, the man must be developed SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY. So where will these development of his mind and soul happen? In the Bush??...SMH



I am sorry for the models of ministry you guys may have experienced, but trust me...Ministry and Pastoring is a huge task, especially genuine pastoring. And , boy it is costly!!!

You make some good points about why the tithe is important, as long as it is not practised as a law, but as a personal sacrifice to honour God and support the work of His church.

However you also mention the need for private jets and other luxuries. And let's face it, these are luxuries, but are they justifiable when many communities have so little to live on? Furthermore, how many private jets do you see landing in remote forests and villages in Nigeria and beyond, bringing medical and food supplies and the gospel? (Where would they land even?) I might be wrong, but these private jets seem to love to fly to "missions" in comfortable parts of the world, to preach to and delight the converted and collect love offerings afterwards. That's not what the tithe was for - it was to feed the orphans , widows and poor in their midst , not to buy 3 private jets that most of the Church is not able to access.

I sometimes wonder if Jesus were on earth today, would He be flying everywhere by private jet, flanked by bodyguards to prevent the people from coming close, with people shouting "Man of God" from afar only because they are not significant enough for the Master to want to have a personal meeting with them

dustydee:

Brother, I think you are mistaken. First, what is tithe? Then what does the bible say about "paying" tithe. Was the instruction to pay tithes made to christians or the Jews? That passage you quoted, Christ was talking to Jews (The Pharisees) not Christians. What about parts of the scriptures that says you should use your tithe to buy alcohol and drink?
You mentioned "essence", if tithing was essential, why did Christ say it was not important?
If you choose tithing as one of the laws to obey, why are you not obeying the other 600+ laws?
I agree that giving is essential and good but why do we use it to build edifices and buy private jets. Christ said "Go ye into the world . . ." not build me palacial places of worship. Since I realised the truth about tithing, I have refrained from "paying" it. I concentrate more on my giving.
It is not recorded that the disciples paid tithe or ordered people to pay tithes.

So many selahs and solid points in your comment. I especially like the bolded, because when some pastors compel paying tithe as a law, they conveniently forget that the Bible says that if you live by one law then you are no longer under grace and you have to keep all the laws.

Zahra29:


You make some good points about why the tithe is important, as long as it is practised as a law, but as a sacrificial giving to honour God and support the work of His church.

However you also mention the need for private jets and other luxuries. And let's face it, these are luxuries, but are they justifiable when many communities have so little to live on? Furthermore, how many private jets do you see landing in remote forests and villages in Nigeria and beyond, bringing medical supplies, food and the gospel? (Where would they land even?) I might be wrong, but these private jets seem to love to fly to "missions" in comfortable parts of the world, to preach to and delight the converted and collect love offerings afterwards. That's not what the tithe was for - it was to feed the orphans , widows and poor in their midst , not to buy 3 private jets that most of the Church is not able to access.

I often wonder if Jesus were on earth today, would He be flying everywhere by private jet, flanked by bodyguards to prevent the people from coming close, with people shouting "Man of God" from afar only because they are not significant enough for the Master to want to have a personal meeting with them

I admit that a lot of excesses have been practised in the Church.

I also admit that some pastors have not given believers the right perspective to missions.

Trust me, when I say PJ is a tool and not luxury, I know what I am saying. Especially if the ministry is very evangelistic.

Coursing across the globe is no small matter o.. I don't want to blow any man's trumpet, but I know some men who are in 1 crusade or the other every week and have had to miss some because flights were either unavailable or delayed.


Away from the PJ matter, I don't also support the MAN worship. It is actually a cultural thing. We are monarchical in nature. We have taken it into any sphere of leadership, including the church. So people most times want to "adore" their leaders. With success, comes fame and prosperity and they may not have control over some kind of protocols put in place for them.

Personally, I like simplicity.



What would you say if people stampede a popular MOG because he wanted to be simple

iyatrustee:


Those "if you don't tithe, your life will be tight " messages that some pastors preach nko? All that teaching about the devourer?

Haha.....pheeew...huge sigh ... well.. God doesn't judge like man. Forget about the excesses. Just obey and try to be consistent as much as you can.

I'd tell you my own experience... it wasn't easy when I moved over here. I think I missed 1 or 2 times this year, I didn't die, but I recognised I needed to sort things out with God. He has given me wisdom to manage what I earn and still remain consistent with my Tithes.


My sister... just focus on God and not man.


God is 70% pro mercy than Judgement.


But ...... Trust me.. Tithing is a sacred ordinance, trust God for GRACE to keep on.

Osa0:
Been on house chase over a month now here in Dunstable,Luton to no avail. Am in search of a room and parlour or 2 bd budget of 1k monthly. All have seen is either my annual gross is low or Landlord gave somebody else.. a brother needs help . E dakun

Offer them 6 months upfront you will get it very fast

@justwise, If this Tithe and Church argument was done by some other people, you would have deleted it all and said it was derailing the thread and off-topic.

Please, you guys can create another thread for this and share your thoughts there. It doesn't concern our conversation here.

Solumtoya:
@justwise, If this Tithe and Church argument was done bg some other people, you would have deleted it all and said it was derailing the thread and off-topic.

Please, you guys can create another thread for this and share your thoughts there. It doesn't concern our conversation here.

I agree o. Oya we hereby end this topic 😂

rinzylee:


😂 😂.... na Lebara I dey use o.


Baba you abandon me o


First direct approved £5K loan for 5yrs for me o

You borrowed 5k to pay back 7800 in 5 years and you are happy. Chai interest money as said by islam

Solumtoya:
@justwise, If this Tithe and Church argument was done by some other people, you would have deleted it all and said it was derailing the thread and off-topic.

Please, you guys can create another thread for this and share your thoughts there. It doesn't concern our conversation here.

rinzylee:


I agree o. Oya we hereby end this topic 😂

Awww! you two are feeling uncomfortable now? I totally understand.

If this topic does not concern you then look away and answer some other questions people asked here.

autologic:

If I were you I would take more time to increase my budget to around 2.5-3k to get a good petrol car with low mileage .As you will pay more for road tax and insurance for a vehicle of 550£ due to emissions issue and high parts failure rate. ...

Hehe... the fear of 'parts and labour'

Can't overestimate the need to have a car you take to the workshop once a year for MOT and perhaps tyre change. Would cost more though

abuhusna1:

You borrowed 5k to pay back 7800 in 5 years and you are happy. Chai interest money as said by islam

1) I didn't say I have borrowed - they only found me worthy of the loan.

2) I am not sure on the exact repayment

3) I invest in a business and in 5 years it has yielded £10,000 and I pay back £7,800 over same period, isn't it a huge win??
Loan £5,000
Interest £2,800
Profit over 5 years £10,000 asides Loan capital and interest.

justwise:




Awww! you two are feeling uncomfortable now? I totally understand.

If this topic does not concern you then look away and answer some other questions people asked here.

Man sometimes the way you understand amazes me o. I expect better from you. I am not in any way shying away from topic or feeling uncomfortable in any way.

If you can't understand simple jokes, wahala dey.


The OP threw a very valid point, because Justwise would have shut down or deleted any post that starts to derail original intent of the thread, but as usual because it is a matter concerning Church and Pastors, you are very happy to let it stand.


Admit your fault baba and quit these type of behaviour.



I tire sha

rinzylee:


Man sometimes the way you understand amazes me o. I expect better from you. I am not in any way shying away from topic or feeling uncomfortable in any way.

If you can't understand simple jokes, wahala dey.


The OP threw a very valid point, because Justwise would have shut down or deleted any post that starts to derail original intent of the thread, but as usual because it is a matter concerning Church and Pastors, you are very happy to let it stand.


Admit your fault baba and quit these type of behaviour.



I tire sha

Of course you are lying, are there no Nigerian churches in the UK here taking advantage of Nigerians? How is this not related to the purpose of this thread? Oh yeah! i got it, lets stop talking about the lies about Tithes and offering because it makes some people very uncomfortable.

justwise:


Of course you are lying, are there no Nigerian churches in the UK here taking advantage of Nigerians? How is this not related to the purpose of this thread? Oh yeah! i got it, lets stop talking about the lies about Tithes and offering because it makes some people very uncomfortable.

Wail ..... I will TITHE till I am no more.


The more I engage you , the more I see doubts to the placement I accord you sha.

So rather than lose more of that value, I'd stop here.


The CHURCH will keep marching on and prospering whether you Justwise brings a farthing or not. Know this and know peace nwannem.

If a crazy folk wronged you in church, forgive and forget and stop acting like Paul of Tarsus before he met Jesus.



Enjoy my man!!!

rinzylee:


Wail ..... I will TITHE till I am no more.


The more I engage you , the more I see doubts to the placement I accord you sha.

So rather than lose more of that value, I'd stop here.


The CHURCH will keep marching on and prospering whether you Justwise brings a farthing or not. Know this and know peace nwannem.

If a crazy folk wronged you in church, forgive and forget and stop acting like Paul of Tarsus before he met Jesus.



Enjoy my man!!!

lol you see that section in bold? If i'm to get £1 each people say that just because i disagree with them i will be bloody rich by now.

Listen, look for bin anywhere around you and do the needful with respect you have for me before, i couldn't care less.

Tithing is a scam by crooks running those churches and people like you are victims even though you pretend here

justwise:


lol you see that section in bold? If i'm to get £1 each people say that just because i disagree with them i will be bloody rich by now.

Listen, look for bin anywhere around you and do the needful with respect you have for me before, i couldn't care less.

Tithing is a scam by crooks running those churches and people like you are victims even though you pretend here

The SCAM I Will willingly keep falling for 😂.


Nwanne enjoy PEACE ....

You will stay on this campaign till forever 😁

Please how long does it take to get transit Visa approval

rinzylee:



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If the church he pays it to abuses or mismanages it, it is left for God to deal with the erring priests.
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I'm not against tithing. It's a decision for every adult Christian to make.

But then, this your statement supports a culture of non-accountability thats rampant. Even charities should be open and held to standards.

It's the reason why a doctor/nurse in Nigeria can treat patients in a less appropriate manner, it's the reason why a gospel preacher can slap a child in public, its the reason why our police collect bribe in daylight, it's the reason why people have to bribe some government workers to go to work and do a job they're being paid for, its the reason why our politicians steal us dry. The reason is simple- nothing will happen.
When next you defend that culture, remember it cuts across- you can't have one and avoid the other.

rinzylee:


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Have you ever gone to the interior villages to see how much of the funds go into crusades that also involve medical, social, educational projects?
...

All said, our pentecostal churches in Nigeria need to learn a thing or two from orthodox churches.
I remember asking folks here who were keen to demand Nigerian health workers offer free health services why their mega rich pentecostal churches have keenly avoided building hospitals but focus on profitable schools and universities.

justwise:




Awww! you two are feeling uncomfortable now? I totally understand.

If this topic does not concern you then look away and answer some other questions people asked here.

This is bullying and display of unnecessary ego. The guy was right in fact I was going to post the same thing but got busy with other things. Leadership should be by example

rinzylee:


1) I didn't say I have borrowed - they only found me worthy of the loan.

2) I am not sure on the exact repayment

3) I invest in a business and in 5 years it has yielded £10,000 and I pay back £7,800 over same period, isn't it a huge win??
Loan £5,000
Interest £2,800
Profit over 5 years £10,000 asides Loan capital and interest.

Is it the avocado, sesame or cassava farming/production you are planning to invest in? For investments in Nigeria, worth factoring in devaluation.

justwise:


lol you see that section in bold? If i'm to get £1 each people say that just because i disagree with them i will be bloody rich by now.

Listen, look for bin anywhere around you and do the needful with respect you have for me before, i couldn't care less.

Tithing is a scam by crooks running those churches and people like you are victims even though you pretend here

You sound pained even to the extent of breaking rules.
Not too long ago, you said you were forced to pay tithe. Was it with a gun you were forced?
Even though you regret it today, you should take responsibility for your actions.

babajeje123:

This is bullying and display of unnecessary ego. The guy was right in fact I was going to post the same thing but got busy with other things. Leadership should be by example

Bullying? You must be joking right?

jedisco:


You sound pained even to the extent of breaking rules.
Not too long ago, you said you were forced to pay tithe. Was it with a gun you were forced?
Even though you regret it today, you should take responsibility for your actions.

Tell me the rule I broke?

Yes I regretted paying the tithe and I blamed myself.
Pained? No rather I was disappointed with myself for not standing my ground because it took me months before I started paying.

Zahra29:


So many selahs and solid points in your comment. I especially like the bolded, because when some pastors compel paying tithe as a law, they conveniently forget that the Bible says that if you live by one law then you are no longer under grace and you have to keep all the laws.

My sister if we talk now they will say we do not understand the the bible. Christians are not under the law but we tend to pick and choose which part of the law to project if it favours us. I am seriously unlearning a lot of things taught to us erroneously in the past. The sad part is that some of the information is in plain sight but we only see it through our tinted glasses.
@rinzylee:
If they do not own private jets, will the gospel not be spread? I dare say it might even spread faster. Why can't they charter for example, if they must fly one? Will God be angry if they get to their destinations a day later? Why can't those inviting them fly them there? By all means pay your tithe but know that there is a curse on those who do not uphold the law Galatians 3

10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.

but let's move this topic to the appropriate section, we have derailed enough.

justwise:


Bullying? You must be joking right?

Not at all, cos that's what you do most time. Using you moderation privileges to intimidate others. Very similar to what bullies do.

Guys electric blanket or portable electric heater which do you recommend?

babajeje123:

Not at all, cos that's what you do most time. Using you moderation privileges to intimidate others. Very similar to what bullies do.

You making things up as you go without no shame at all, tell me how i used my moderation privileges to intimidate him? Did i threaten to ban him? Did tell him not to post? Did i remove his previous comment on this topic?

mintyx:
Hello everyone!

Thanks for all the contributions to this page which I have benefitted from a lot.

My own problem here is that I need a wife!

Yeah I'm not ashamed to ask. I have tried and maybe I haven't been lucky

I will be 39 by October. I'm 6'1, from Imo state and work with the NHS.

I don't know what handsome means to you. I might be your definition of handsome but if I'm not, trust me, I'm not bad looking.

I will prefer someone already in England. Not ruling out someone in Nigeria if it's by recommendation.

I'm looking for a good soul who knows what she wants in life and reciprocates efforts. I love a good looking lady, who smells nice, good communicator, kind and empathetic between 26-34 years of age. I will do all these as well.

I prefer from the south east, south south, some parts of the North(as long as you are a Christian).

I am Catholic (Christian) and I try as much as possible to be the best person I can. We can start from friendship/relationship and work towards settling soon.

Pls if you are or can recommend someone, pls help a brother out. Almost all the Nigerian ladies around me here are all married

I can be reached via this email: glucocareng@gmail.com

So many of our sisters here too Dey find husband so e no suppose hard, should I say you should be more open minded? You are in uk and you are narrowing your search to only Nigerians and to even particular regions, yes it’s your choice but if you are in need urgently then you may need to expand your scope, be more friendly and be in or go to places where you can mix up with more diverse people. I pray you find your desire soon but please don’t put yourself under too much pressure, it’s well

Correct! Cedarcrest is good, I assisted in spine surgeries for a year before leaving Nigeria. If you don't want a Nigeria trained spine surgeon, you can request for a UK trained spine surgeon for the procedure if it's an elective surgery . Spine surgeons comes from the UK every 3 months to operate in the hospital.
By the way, I go Sabi you be that

rinzylee:



Go to Cedarcrest Abuja. I worked there for 2 years and some of my Team members are still there. Save that travel money and get great care too. Make we dey believe naija too nah bikonu. My mum had her spine surgery multilevel decompression in Enugu sef. I didn't want her to go all the way to Abuja. We have great hands back home too.

You no fit see who Sapa Dey hold or still dey naija Dey follow them argue tithe matter😆😆. Who Dey naija still need God, who don comot naija feel say him no need God again.