Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven; the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws: Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws? They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.

Jesus teaches the unity of Allah; the oneness of God. In the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of ll commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most christians says Jesus is God. It’s an amazing situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the messege of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. Infact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being. The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says listen everybody: I am god!
He never make such claims. Infact, he rebukes such claims. In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him:
“Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want to be called good much less god. But did the christians follow this insruction? Not at all! Infact, they called him god. I wonder if jesus was present today how he is gonna react to this blasphemy. Propably too tense.

As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah, Jesus explicitly declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message. The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3, and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed (numbers 20:6) and jesus fell on his face and prayed mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really tryin to imitate jesus? Christians or muslims?

And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of jesus; it’s the religion consructed about jesus.
The message of jesus is islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.

Infact even his diet isnt christian, jesus’ diet is islamic as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message. Its like a dialectic between the 2billion christians and jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play. You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from where it comes from.
Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.

Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense. Watch my videos:

www.youtube.com/Sohyb09

it seems islam needs Jesus and the bible by force

@davidylan The responsibility of Islam is to tell you the truth and confirm your scripture. For sure we love Jesus. No Muslim is a Muslim if he didn't believe in Jesus.

Can you answer me this questons:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCUHAGa8rtQ

Waiting for your answers, sir.

i'm not watching youtube videos. Post your questions here.

AND I MUST WARN YOU . . . DO NOT GO AHEAD AND ASK THE THREAD TO BE DELETED SHOULD YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE.

^^weak spine. i have read many of your entries obviously taken from wikipedia. youtube is a sister to it, so why the arrogance against it?

You have rilly forgotten that Jesus was a jew and practiced judaism or are islam and judaism the same

davidylan:

i'm not watching youtube videos. Post your questions here.

AND I MUST WARN YOU . . . DO NOT GO AHEAD AND ASK THE THREAD TO BE DELETED SHOULD YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE.

this got me laffin really hard

^^^I can’t find anything laughable there; it’s obviously one of the lame ways use by the guy and his folks to run away.

muhsin:

^^^I can’t find anything laughable there; it’s obviously one of the lame ways use by the guy and his folks to run away.

you obviously know those who "run away", it seems to be a muslim pastime.

nopuqeater:

^^weak spine. i have read many of your entries obviously taken from wikipedia. youtube is a sister to it, so why the arrogance against it?

you obviously knew what i was talking about. Jesus is a well recognised historical fellow . . . if you need wikipedia to "prove" that he was muslim then there is something seriously wrong with islam.

Suhaibu:

Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven; the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws: Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

i am sorry but i think you seem to have your wires crossed here,its really bemusing to me that on one hand muslims reject the totality of the new testament preffering the old testament,however i guess someone must have read and re read the bible and realised that they can get away with a small part of the new testament,dont worry i predict many years from now,muslims worldwide will see the futility of islam and just agree to be christians and believe the whole bible its easier for you if you think about it  
of course he has not come to destroy the older laws,the question you should ask is
what exactly is he trying to fulfill? remember it takes a "fore-telling" for him to "fulfill"? so what exactly is he fullfilling,what has been foretold about him by prophets in the old testament notably john the baptist.
he has come to fullfill his sole mission on earth which is to reconsile us with the ultimate goal of his father, which was sidetracked by adam and eve committing a sin, the notion is  that it wouldnt be fair for us to suffer condemnation for a sin we did not take part in committing hence jesus came to wash the old sins away and then leave on a clean slate so we will have no excuse on the day of judgement
to prove to you that jesus christ meant being born again let us look at the righteousness of the pharisees and the saducees,and the similarities and differences with islam?
the difference is that they are both different religions,including different doctrines e.t.c the similarities however is in the ritualistic mode of worship,intolerance,you both dont believe in jesus christ,you both dont believe in uncondittional love,you are both governed by the law rather than the lord's righteousness,you both spread the falsehood that jesus christ was equated with GOD the purpose of doing so for the saducees and pharisees was to discredic the man and the religion while for muslims mohammad spitting out his bib like a spoilt 2 years old baby because he was not recognised as a prophet e.t.c while being born again entails giving up every single thing and most importantly exceeds the righteousness of the adore mentioned religions

Suhaibu:

These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws? They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.

you are quite right and we christians thank you for highlighting this pertinent biblical verse,but he has already fullfilled the foretold,he is not fullfilling a law but a prophecy or"fore telling"

Suhaibu:

Jesus teaches the unity of Allah; the oneness of God.

jesus christ never taught the unity of allah sire,that is not only erroneous fabrication the likes of which can only be found in the quran,its funny yopu guys never use buhddism, and other religions to validate your islam just shows the sneaking admiration you have deep down for christianity.like the popular saying the greatest form of complementing is counterfeiting

Suhaibu:

In the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of ll commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”

you are right,the bible even says prior that a christian must never worship or associate any GOD will the almighty,this is why we advise you muslims to stop bowing down to the sun,the moon and the kaaba e.t.c
you are right,"my own GOD almighty is one GOD,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON is a smaller GOD to him and the holy spirit which is leading,encouraging and empowering us contemporary christians in the abscense of the apostles and jesus christ makes the third,yopu can call the holy spirit the managing director

Suhaibu:

Yet, most christians says Jesus is God. It’s an amazing situation.

sire,it is totally unfair to blame your crass ignorance of the scriptures on chrisatians "jesus the SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SMALLER GOD COMPARED TO HIS FATHER, is paddy adenuga not a general manager same as his father but with less powers??you get the analogy?remember abacha's son using the presidential jet by virture of being the president's son he might be wielding his father's power but he will never contest the fact that he is under the influence of his father

Suhaibu:

Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the messege of Jesus.

again,do you derive some macabre enjoyment in all these blantant lies and falsehoods?how can you make such a blanket statement of falsehood??
we believe we have ONE GOD,the almighty,his son the fact that we believe jesus is the son and the fact that the same son,declared that he has come on earth "TO FULLFILL THE WILL OR THE COMMANDMENT OF HIS FATHER" HE TOLD US IN ANOTHER VERSE THAT HE CAN "INTERCEDE ON OUR BEHALF WITH HIS FATHER, he never said he can command his partner GOD almighty interceding means that he will plead on our behalf, you dont plead with someone you are on equal footing with do you?exactly,

Suhaibu:

Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity!

i will show you trinity once you show me where mohammad or allah was mentioned in the bible fair? he did say he and his father are one,
john 10;30---30I and the Father are one."
john 10;38--38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
that has proved to you that he believed in the one ness of him and his father now i will show you the bible verse where he reffers to the 3rd in the triune the holy spirit,
i just had to quickly show you this verse and how your suicide bombers are killing christians with the hope of fulfilling a religious duty---1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt  in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

now check these verses and show me which of these functions the holy spirit has not been performing in the contemporary church

Suhaibu:

And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. Infact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being. The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says listen everybody: I am god!
He never make such claims. Infact, he rebukes such claims. In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him:
“Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want to be called good much less god. But did the christians follow this insruction? Not at all! Infact, they called him god. I wonder if jesus was present today how he is gonna react to this blasphemy. Propably too tense.

1st corinthians 10;4----4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ who was christ if he was not reffering to himself

56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
note that he never said "OUR FATHER" ABRAHAM but look at verse 58, how could he have been before abraham if he was not christ,now you tell me what that means sire
i have many you just ask for it and i will oblige you

Suhaibu:

As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah, Jesus explicitly declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

i thank GOD that you have just shot yourself in the foot,so now it is totally obvious that while he reffered to himself as GOD as you can see from the verses posted he acknowledged the supremacy of his father.so what is your point

Suhaibu:

The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message. The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3, and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed (numbers 20:6) and jesus fell on his face and prayed mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really tryin to imitate jesus? Christians or muslims?

again i put it to you sire that you are not correct,first of all prostrating to pray is a sign of acknowledging the pre eminence of whoever you were talking to,are the pre colonial yorubas then muslims or got their inspiration from islam for prostrating to their king and elders?prostrating cuts across all cultures,religions e.t.c secondly why dont you show us jesus christ prostrating to pray EVERYTIME he had to pray, like the confusionists that you muslims are,you look for a random place where he prostrated and tried to over blow it to suit your nefarious purpose.

41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,

so what is your point?? is prostration the exclusive preserve of muslimssire you are hillarious maybe the yorubas should send copyright royalties to saudi arabia each time they prostrate.

there are different ways of praying because the bible says there is liberty in worship here is another form of prayer in 1st timothy,
8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

lastly, modern men of GOD,when overwhelmed by the holy spirit either in worship or intercession prostrate and even roll on the floor does it automaticvally make them muslims? that means pastor adeboye must be a muslim in disguise

Suhaibu:

And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of jesus; it’s the religion consructed about jesus.
The message of jesus is islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.

im sorry but i will still reiterate that in your haste and earnest wish to validate your fake religion with the truth of jesus christ,you have sought to sacrifice truth for falsehood,but we christians will not allow you to tarnish and turn our bible on its head.
the same way he didnt use the word trinity is the same way he never mentions allah or mohammad or makes any reference to them save ambiguous reference you muslims have sought to make, i have shown you bible verses up there where he explains the notion of trinity and i challenge you to disprove them.he is all of the above and more,

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

i hope i have suceeded in curbing your ignorance of the scriptures sire as all you have written is total falsehood apart from the bible verses you have helpfully posted

Suhaibu:

Infact even his diet isnt christian, jesus’ diet is islamic as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.

again what the yorubas call "awawi" na today the demonic spirits begged him to send them into the pigs sire there was nowhere he ever enjoins anyone not to eat pig in fact apostle peter was specifically told never to call anything his GOD created unclean in view of my retorts i earnestly believe that jesus christ was never and will never have any association with islam,save the fact that he associated with everybody pharisees,saducees,gentiles,muslims buddists e.t.c
by the way-his message is not only for us christians,it is for islam as well babalawos satanists e.t.c we want you all to give your life to christ as jesus christ himself said the only way to enter into the kingdom of his father is TO BE BORN AGAIN

Suhaibu:

Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message. Its like a dialectic between the 2billion christians and jesus.

i would have been abusing and cursing you now if i was a muslim,but i will just patronisingly say that you are sadly mistaken and wrong my friend looool he was making a clear and unambiguous refference to fake prophets and teachers not christians what do you have to say about his assertion that except a m,an be born again,he shall not see the kingdom of GOD BY THE WAY""
IS BEING BORN AGAIN IN THE QURAN?

Suhaibu:

Christians are more concerned with the one who did the preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger.

WE SHOULD BE,CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT APART FROM HIS GRET WORKS,teachings signs and wonders e.t.c his moral uprightness,the frugal austere life he led,intolerance and live full of uncondittional love and devoid of luxurious is worthy of emulation i cannot find any single man of GOD who has being a ble to match living the kind of life jesus christ led.i really feel for you and i understand why you dont see that as important considering that the only single individual you can speak of or look up to namely mohammad,was a man who indulged in serial hedonism,boderline paedophilia,snatched his own step-son's wife loved perfumes food, he robbed and st5ole from innocent maccan traders,he plotted assasinations he killed in cold blood he was intolerant and objectified women so in view of that kind of moral record i understand why you dont seem much to emulate in his life

Suhaibu:

And when this kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play. You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from where it comes from.

again sire i disagree with this falsehood,racial pride and nationalism was never an issue because even though he was born a jew,he said that he came for both gentiles and every single person he never discriminated against anybody and he even consorted with prostitutes remember the parable of the good samaritan,who was thew samaritan that helped the jew?a gentile he was preaching and re iterating the importance of mutual tolerance,peaceful co existence unlike mohammad who preached hatred intolerance and bloodshed that has been plaguing the world ever since, we not only value the message a.k.a the good news we value the man it came from because of his exemplary life both spiritually and morally
quote author=Suhaibu link=topic=410631.msg5658677#msg5658677 date=1268154023]
Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.

[/quote]
yes,he prayed to GOD while on earth,and then ascended to meet his father in heaven as soon as he did the same day the holy spirit came like a tongue of fire(the comforter) and descended on the first christians the christians now pray to GOD and if they have to rebuke any unclean or demonic spirit they do it in jesus name l;ike he has said we should do clearly written in the bible
it is the muslims deifying of mohammad that i am at a loss of,if not can you show us a picture of mohammad
why not if you dont see him as your god??it is only GOD who is unseen,so how come you have ascribed that honour to a mere human being mohammad?
hwy do you muslims kill and blow people up when they critisize mohammad,is he not an ordinary prophet?so why kill in his name if you dont see him as a GOD?
you canno9t mention his name without saying (s.a.w)in reverence i can say jesus christ from now till tmorrow without any fear even though i totally respect and acknowledge his pre eminence over me so who exactly is deifying the other? jerry springer potrayed our own jesus christ as gay and wearing nappies,we founf it offensive but we didnt fight or kill because of our convictions that he is perfectly capable to prove himself GOD what do you do when people simply name a teddy bear mohammad in a nursery school?
you call for the woman to be beheaded
[quote author=Suhaibu link=topic=410631.msg5658677#msg5658677 date=1268154023]
Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense. Watch my videos:

www.youtube.com/Sohyb09

im sorry sire jesus was never a muslim and could never have been you are on about my own pale,jehovah el shadai,king of kings the rose of sharon,the i am that i am,beginning and the end algbada ina alawotele oorun my king of kings who is onderful,two deful threedeful in fact uncountabledaful abeg o re package mohammad if you are looking for a new role model no one forced him to live the kind of life that he ledxxshalom

If Muhammed were to be alive when Jesus was ministering in palestine, he would have sent suicide bombers to go and kill him because Jesus will call him a false prophet working for the devil to steal people from God by forcing them at gun point nay sword point to deny God. How then was Jesus a muslim?

this poster is a retard

God bless u Godson2009! For thoroughly enlightening this muslim brother, u r blessed! Shalom

are u kidding open ur eyes u so called christian its true dat truth is always bitter

AND I MUST WARN YOU . . . DO NOT GO AHEAD AND ASK THE THREAD TO BE DELETED SHOULD YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE.[/quote]

“And I will pray
the Father, and
He will give you
another Helper,
that He may abide
with you forever
(John 14:16).”

abdullahi4allah: “And I will pray
the Father, and
He will give you
another Helper,
that He may abide
with you forever
(John 14:16).”

Do you now accept that God is also called the father, using your quote as a reference? Do you now accept that Jesus called God his father, which is entirely against your quran?

Guy you need another reference to prove that Jesus is a muslim. Jesus, and all other biblical prophets, are all Jews. Judaism had been in existence thousands of years before Islam and 80% of the contents of your quran are lifted from the Judeo-christian scriptures.

abdullahi4allah: “And I will pray
the Father, and
He will give you
another Helper,
that He may abide
with you forever
(John 14:16).”

And that helper is the HOLY SPIRIT...... The Holy Spirit is revelation, vision, prophecies, miracle, inspirations, wisdom, knowledge and Understanding.....

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The Bible showed how the helper came, the helper is the Holy Spirit. He came upon the believers on the day of pentecost some few weeks after Jesus ascended to Heaven...

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Jesus said that the Helper will come upon His disciples.....
Reasons why Muhammad is not the helper.....
1) He never dwelled with us forever. He died around 623 A.D(1400yrs ago).,
2) Jesus left this world around 33 A.D, but Muhammad was in this world around 600A.D(550yrs later).
Even the 10th generation of Jesus disciples has died and Christianity had SPREAD across many nations.

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Reasons Jesus was not a Muslim..
1)He was born a Jew.. He observed the Jewish law... He was a great Rabbi(Jewish teacher)
2) He existed before Islam...
3) He was baptised.... Muslims are not baptised.
Jesus was baptism of water by John(son of Zachariah).
Jesus lives with GOD ALMIGHTY His FATHER in Heaven as the Lamb of God and the word of God before He came down by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT into the womb of A virgin named Mary....

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NOTE: Jesus Christ is not a Christian, but He is the CHRIST in Christ ian ....
Christian means followers of Christ...
Shalom!!! Stay blessed!

Snh for all these ignorant born agains...
Laaila illa lhau
Muhammad rasululah sallalah alehi wsalam
Jesus will come back and deny ur lies against him
Saying he compares himself to God (u called him a small God)
Saying he preached trinity
Saying he preached against the former holy books that he met

@ op,you are a big liar. Ok, let me come to your level by agree with you that Jesus is a Muslim according to the definition you people gave to the word Muslim. But, if Jesus was a Muslim we Christians are Muslims because Christian mean "people like Christ" Christians were called Christian Because their behavious is like that of Jesus Christ.

If Jesus was a Muslim, he was not a Muslim in Islam and we Christian are not a Muslim is Islam but in Christ.

The reason i said you are a big liar is that, all you wrote up there are lies. In your last statement you said " Jesus is a Muslim in Islam" contradicting the word of Muhammed. Muhammed said and i quote
" and Iam command to be the first of those who submit to Allah in Islam" Sura Companies 2: 12 .Can you see that you are a liar?

Now that you have realized your fault, you need to tell the people on this thread that you have fabricated a word against Muhammed or Allah warever as Muhammed said when he fabricates Satanic verses against Allah and close this useless thread of yours asap.

Concerning all the Bible verses you quoted above, we can only talk on that if you agree that Bible is not corrupted as Muhammed says in Quran. If you can tell us that Bible been corrupted is a fabrication also on the part of Muhammed, i will address that. If not, i think you don't need to delude us with corrupted book.

Its interesting to talk about our different faith. Nevertheless, mind the use of words that appear insulting and inappropriate. we are only to convince with reason and evidence, remember, others are watching your posts. Maintain focus on convincing someone about your faith no insults please. Christian brother, be mindful of the use of "you are a liar" and the likes. Just argue out your points in a respectful and godly manner. Thanks.

@Adullahi4Allah. why not focus your effort on preaching Islam if you think Islam has a solution for the world. my concern about Islam is the spate of killings that is said to be for the cause of Allah. If Allah in Islam is truly God. The world over where ever Islam is practiced you have all kinds of unrest from terrorism to uninformed wastes of lives and property. What is your explanation for all of those?

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why is everyone here missing the point ?

there are some excellent points in these arguments. on both sides.

fact is, jesus christ was a muslim; he obeyed the will of God. that's all that means. can a jew be a christian? can a jew be a muslim? can a christian be a jew? they're all the same religion. why would God create three different religions if (He) wants us to worship (Him), and that's all that (He) wants ?

another fact is that jesus was relentless concerning the misuse of dogma. he told the pharisees they were hypocrites. and who were the pharisees exactly ? they are the leaders of the church; the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the dogma.

isn't anyone familiar with the parable of the good samaritan ?
the point of that parable is that the samaritan wasn't a jew, nor a christian, nor a muslim, but he obeyed the will of God / Allah.

are we going to love one another, or are we going to use dogma for a reason to hate one another? that's the question you have to ask yourself.

love one another, and everything that God has entrusted to us - this earth. that's our responsibility, and to do otherwise is to be a servant of the devil / satan.

i want to be a servant of God / Allah. i pray every day for God / Allah to teach me how to think, show me what to do, and tell me what to say.

peace,
hamid mazuji

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true2god:
Do you now accept that God is also called the father, using your quote as a reference? Do you now accept that Jesus called God his father, which is entirely against your quran?

Guy you need another reference to prove that Jesus is a muslim. Jesus, and all other biblical prophets, are all Jews. Judaism had been in existence thousands of years before Islam and 80% of the contents of your quran are lifted from the Judeo-christian scriptures.

bro should we debate on this ur post that
1 GOD did not give birth
2 jesus adress everybody as son of GOD
3QURAN IS NOT COPIED FROM BIBLE
4 MUSIM FOLLOW JESUS MORE THAN THE CHRISTIAN
5 ALL PROPHET IN THE BIBLE PRAY AS MUSLIM PRAY
6 ALL CHISTIAN NOWADAYS ARE ANTICHRIST
7 MUHAMMAD IS PROPHESISED IN THE BIBLE
8 BIBLE IS NO MORE WORD OF GOD IT HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH QURAN IS THE HOLY BOOK
9 JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD HE IS A PROPHET
IF YOU ARE READY ANSWER YES OR NO PLSSSSSS
BUT PROMISE YOU WONT RUN AWAY

I have just been reading the posts of brother Suhaib and his replier. I am a female muslim convert and I just wanted to re-assure brother Suhaib that what he is trying to remind the replier of is one of the reasons I converted to Islam alhamdullilah. I also wanted to urge the replier to stop looking at this discussion as a contest and realize that brother Suhaib has not spoken once of his own lips but Jesus and the bible's lips only therefore the replier is really having an argument with Jesus and the bible and hence brother Suhaib's eminent composure which is one of the most apparent features and differences between a muslim and non muslim man.

ALHAMDU LILLAHI WAHDAH,
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME OF HAVING CONTACT WITH THIS FORUM. I SALUTE ALL FOLLOWRS,
MA'ASSALAM

Macelliot:

And that helper is the HOLY SPIRIT...... The Holy Spirit is revelation, vision, prophecies, miracle, inspirations, wisdom, knowledge and Understanding.....

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The Bible showed how the helper came, the helper is the Holy Spirit. He came upon the believers on the day of pentecost some few weeks after Jesus ascended to Heaven...

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Jesus said that the Helper will come upon His disciples.....
Reasons why Muhammad is not the helper.....
1) He never dwelled with us forever. He died around 623 A.D(1400yrs ago).,
2) Jesus left this world around 33 A.D, but Muhammad was in this world around 600A.D(550yrs later).
Even the 10th generation of Jesus disciples has died and Christianity had SPREAD across many nations.

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Reasons Jesus was not a Muslim..
1)He was born a Jew.. He observed the Jewish law... He was a great Rabbi(Jewish teacher)
2) He existed before Islam...
3) He was baptised.... Muslims are not baptised.
Jesus was baptism of water by John(son of Zachariah).
Jesus lives with GOD ALMIGHTY His FATHER in Heaven as the Lamb of God and the word of God before
He came down by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT into the womb of A virgin named Mary....

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MATTHEW 24:34
"......This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

pls which generation is Jesus refering to here or Jesus is lying?

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i am sorry but i think you seem to have your wires crossed here,its really bemusing to me that on one hand muslims reject the totality of the new testament preffering the old testament,however i guess someone must have read and re read the bible and realised that they can get away with a small part of the new testament,dont worry i predict many years from now,muslims worldwide will see the futility of islam and just agree to be christians and believe the whole bible its easier for you if you think about it  
of course he has not come to destroy the older laws,the question you should ask is
what exactly is he trying to fulfill? remember it takes a "fore-telling" for him to "fulfill"? so what exactly is he fullfilling,what has been foretold about him by prophets in the old testament notably john the baptist.
he has come to fullfill his sole mission on earth which is to reconsile us with the ultimate goal of his father, which was sidetracked by adam and eve committing a sin, the notion is  that it wouldnt be fair for us to suffer condemnation for a sin we did not take part in committing hence jesus came to wash the old sins away and then leave on a clean slate so we will have no excuse on the day of judgement
to prove to you that jesus christ meant being born again let us look at the righteousness of the pharisees and the saducees,and the similarities and differences with islam?
the difference is that they are both different religions,including different doctrines e.t.c the similarities however is in the ritualistic mode of worship,intolerance,you both dont believe in jesus christ,you both dont believe in uncondittional love,you are both governed by the law rather than the lord's righteousness,you both spread the falsehood that jesus christ was equated with GOD the purpose of doing so for the saducees and pharisees was to discredic the man and the religion while for muslims mohammad spitting out his bib like a spoilt 2 years old baby because he was not recognised as a prophet e.t.c while being born again entails giving up every single thing and most importantly exceeds the righteousness of the adore mentioned religions

you are quite right and we christians thank you for highlighting this pertinent biblical verse,but he has already fullfilled the foretold,he is not fullfilling a law but a prophecy or"fore telling"

jesus christ never taught the unity of allah sire,that is not only erroneous fabrication the likes of which can only be found in the quran,its funny yopu guys never use buhddism, and other religions to validate your islam just shows the sneaking admiration you have deep down for christianity.like the popular saying the greatest form of complementing is counterfeiting

you are right,the bible even says prior that a christian must never worship or associate any GOD will the almighty,this is why we advise you muslims to stop bowing down to the sun,the moon and the kaaba e.t.c
you are right,"my own GOD almighty is one GOD,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON is a smaller GOD to him and the holy spirit which is leading,encouraging and empowering us contemporary christians in the abscense of the apostles and jesus christ makes the third,yopu can call the holy spirit the managing director

sire,it is totally unfair to blame your crass ignorance of the scriptures on chrisatians "jesus the SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SMALLER GOD COMPARED TO HIS FATHER, is paddy adenuga not a general manager same as his father but with less powers??you get the analogy?remember abacha's son using the presidential jet by virture of being the president's son he might be wielding his father's power but he will never contest the fact that he is under the influence of his father

again,do you derive some macabre enjoyment in all these blantant lies and falsehoods?how can you make such a blanket statement of falsehood??
we believe we have ONE GOD,the almighty,his son the fact that we believe jesus is the son and the fact that the same son,declared that he has come on earth "TO FULLFILL THE WILL OR THE COMMANDMENT OF HIS FATHER" HE TOLD US IN ANOTHER VERSE THAT HE CAN "INTERCEDE ON OUR BEHALF WITH HIS FATHER, he never said he can command his partner GOD almighty interceding means that he will plead on our behalf, you dont plead with someone you are on equal footing with do you?exactly,

i will show you trinity once you show me where mohammad or allah was mentioned in the bible fair? he did say he and his father are one,
john 10;30---30I and the Father are one."
john 10;38--38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
that has proved to you that he believed in the one ness of him and his father now i will show you the bible verse where he reffers to the 3rd in the triune the holy spirit,
i just had to quickly show you this verse and how your suicide bombers are killing christians with the hope of fulfilling a religious duty---1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt  in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

now check these verses and show me which of these functions the holy spirit has not been performing in the contemporary church

1st corinthians 10;4----4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ who was christ if he was not reffering to himself

56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
note that he never said "OUR FATHER" ABRAHAM but look at verse 58, how could he have been before abraham if he was not christ,now you tell me what that means sire
i have many you just ask for it and i will oblige you

i thank GOD that you have just shot yourself in the foot,so now it is totally obvious that while he reffered to himself as GOD as you can see from the verses posted he acknowledged the supremacy of his father.so what is your point

again i put it to you sire that you are not correct,first of all prostrating to pray is a sign of acknowledging the pre eminence of whoever you were talking to,are the pre colonial yorubas then muslims or got their inspiration from islam for prostrating to their king and elders?prostrating cuts across all cultures,religions e.t.c secondly why dont you show us jesus christ prostrating to pray EVERYTIME he had to pray, like the confusionists that you muslims are,you look for a random place where he prostrated and tried to over blow it to suit your nefarious purpose.

41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,

so what is your point?? is prostration the exclusive preserve of muslimssire you are hillarious maybe the yorubas should send copyright royalties to saudi arabia each time they prostrate.

there are different ways of praying because the bible says there is liberty in worship here is another form of prayer in 1st timothy,
8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

lastly, modern men of GOD,when overwhelmed by the holy spirit either in worship or intercession prostrate and even roll on the floor does it automaticvally make them muslims? that means pastor adeboye must be a muslim in disguise

im sorry but i will still reiterate that in your haste and earnest wish to validate your fake religion with the truth of jesus christ,you have sought to sacrifice truth for falsehood,but we christians will not allow you to tarnish and turn our bible on its head.
the same way he didnt use the word trinity is the same way he never mentions allah or mohammad or makes any reference to them save ambiguous reference you muslims have sought to make, i have shown you bible verses up there where he explains the notion of trinity and i challenge you to disprove them.he is all of the above and more,

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

i hope i have suceeded in curbing your ignorance of the scriptures sire as all you have written is total falsehood apart from the bible verses you have helpfully posted

again what the yorubas call "awawi" na today the demonic spirits begged him to send them into the pigs sire there was nowhere he ever enjoins anyone not to eat pig in fact apostle peter was specifically told never to call anything his GOD created unclean in view of my retorts i earnestly believe that jesus christ was never and will never have any association with islam,save the fact that he associated with everybody pharisees,saducees,gentiles,muslims buddists e.t.c
by the way-his message is not only for us christians,it is for islam as well babalawos satanists e.t.c we want you all to give your life to christ as jesus christ himself said the only way to enter into the kingdom of his father is TO BE BORN AGAIN

i would have been abusing and cursing you now if i was a muslim,but i will just patronisingly say that you are sadly mistaken and wrong my friend looool he was making a clear and unambiguous refference to fake prophets and teachers not christians what do you have to say about his assertion that except a m,an be born again,he shall not see the kingdom of GOD BY THE WAY""
IS BEING BORN AGAIN IN THE QURAN?

WE SHOULD BE,CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT APART FROM HIS GRET WORKS,teachings signs and wonders e.t.c his moral uprightness,the frugal austere life he led,intolerance and live full of uncondittional love and devoid of luxurious is worthy of emulation i cannot find any single man of GOD who has being a ble to match living the kind of life jesus christ led.i really feel for you and i understand why you dont see that as important considering that the only single individual you can speak of or look up to namely mohammad,was a man who indulged in serial hedonism,boderline paedophilia,snatched his own step-son's wife loved perfumes food, he robbed and st5ole from innocent maccan traders,he plotted assasinations he killed in cold blood he was intolerant and objectified women so in view of that kind of moral record i understand why you dont seem much to emulate in his life

again sire i disagree with this falsehood,racial pride and nationalism was never an issue because even though he was born a jew,he said that he came for both gentiles and every single person he never discriminated against anybody and he even consorted with prostitutes remember the parable of the good samaritan,who was thew samaritan that helped the jew?a gentile he was preaching and re iterating the importance of mutual tolerance,peaceful co existence unlike mohammad who preached hatred intolerance and bloodshed that has been plaguing the world ever since, we not only value the message a.k.a the good news we value the man it came from because of his exemplary life both spiritually and morally
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Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.

yes,he prayed to GOD while on earth,and then ascended to meet his father in heaven as soon as he did the same day the holy spirit came like a tongue of fire(the comforter) and descended on the first christians the christians now pray to GOD and if they have to rebuke any unclean or demonic spirit they do it in jesus name l;ike he has said we should do clearly written in the bible
it is the muslims deifying of mohammad that i am at a loss of,if not can you show us a picture of mohammad
why not if you dont see him as your god??it is only GOD who is unseen,so how come you have ascribed that honour to a mere human being mohammad?
hwy do you muslims kill and blow people up when they critisize mohammad,is he not an ordinary prophet?so why kill in his name if you dont see him as a GOD?
you canno9t mention his name without saying (s.a.w)in reverence i can say jesus christ from now till tmorrow without any fear even though i totally respect and acknowledge his pre eminence over me so who exactly is deifying the other? jerry springer potrayed our own jesus christ as gay and wearing nappies,we founf it offensive but we didnt fight or kill because of our convictions that he is perfectly capable to prove himself GOD what do you do when people simply name a teddy bear mohammad in a nursery school?
you call for the woman to be beheaded

im sorry sire jesus was never a muslim and could never have been you are on about my own pale,jehovah el shadai,king of kings the rose of sharon,the i am that i am,beginning and the end algbada ina alawotele oorun my king of kings who is onderful,two deful threedeful in fact uncountabledaful abeg o re package mohammad if you are looking for a new role model no one forced him to live the kind of life that he ledxxshalom

Sir I hope you will treat this issue with utmost respect.
1. Can you research for yourself the meaning of Islam
2. Can you identify for us the core teachings of Jesus Christ (AS) and all the Prophet before him?

Please if you can do these two things, then reply with your answers.

Thank You

queenhalimah:
are u kidding open ur eyes u so called christian its true dat truth is always bitter

AND I MUST WARN YOU . . . DO NOT GO AHEAD AND ASK THE THREAD TO BE DELETED SHOULD YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE.

Wetin this one dey talk about?

abdullahi4allah:
“And I will pray
the Father, and
He will give you
another Helper,
that He may abide
with you forever
(John 14:16).”

Let me guess, the comforter is Mohammed?

hmazuji:
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why is everyone here missing the point ?

there are some excellent points in these arguments. on both sides.

fact is, jesus christ was a muslim; he obeyed the will of God. that's all that means. can a jew be a christian? can a jew be a muslim? can a christian be a jew? they're all the same religion. why would God create three different religions if (He) wants us to worship (Him), and that's all that (He) wants ?

another fact is that jesus was relentless concerning the misuse of dogma. he told the pharisees they were hypocrites. and who were the pharisees exactly ? they are the leaders of the church; the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the dogma.

isn't anyone familiar with the parable of the good samaritan ?
the point of that parable is that the samaritan wasn't a jew, nor a christian, nor a muslim, but he obeyed the will of God / Allah.

are we going to love one another, or are we going to use dogma for a reason to hate one another? that's the question you have to ask yourself.

love one another, and everything that God has entrusted to us - this earth. that's our responsibility, and to do otherwise is to be a servant of the devil / satan.

i want to be a servant of God / Allah. i pray every day for God / Allah to teach me how to think, show me what to do, and tell me what to say.

peace,
hamid mazuji

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What makes one a muslim? To be a muslim, you recite the Shahada! There was no Shahada when Jesus was born. Mohammad was born 600 years later. The logic that everyone is somehow born a muslim without even realizing it doesn't make historical sense and is an insult to Islam and muslims that support such views.

ummtaqiya:
I have just been reading the posts of brother Suhaib and his replier. I am a female muslim convert and I just wanted to re-assure brother Suhaib that what he is trying to remind the replier of is one of the reasons I converted to Islam alhamdullilah. I also wanted to urge the replier to stop looking at this discussion as a contest and realize that brother Suhaib has not spoken once of his own lips but Jesus and the bible's lips only therefore the replier is really having an argument with Jesus and the bible and hence brother Suhaib's eminent composure which is one of the most apparent features and differences between a muslim and non muslim man.

Thanks for your sentiments but you or the poster haven't provided any historical proof of how Jesus became a muslim. A good example is yourself, you are a muslim convert - how did you become a muslim. I am certain you weren't born a muslim but at one point DECIDED to become one.

That is the premise here: To become a Muslim, you must recite the Shahada! The Bible, which predated the Quran and Hadith by over 600 years never recorded Jesus or any prophet as reciting the Shahada. Can you enlighten us with historical references and proof beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus was a muslim?

alexis:


Thanks for your sentiments but you or the poster haven't provided any historical proof of how Jesus became a muslim. A good example is yourself, you are a muslim convert - how did you become a muslim. I am certain you weren't born a muslim but at one point DECIDED to become one.

That is the premise here: To become a Muslim, you must recite the Shahada! The Bible, which predated the Quran and Hadith by over 600 years never recorded Jesus or any prophet as reciting the Shahada. Can you enlighten us with historical references and proof beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus was a muslim?

Jesus and all prophets were Muslims for they attested to the oneness of Allah (God )