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Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by MrOlai: 5:14pm On Jul 23, 2014
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Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Nobody: 12:16pm On Jul 24, 2014
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Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by usermane(m): 8:54am On Jul 25, 2014
Arab-Isreali conflict : Origins
The Jews since 19th century always had this goal of returning to Palestine to reclaim Isreal.
Palestine originally ruled by the Ottoman Turks was captured by British with aid from the arabs during the first world war. The British had promised the arabs creation of arab states on the land. They had also made a similar promise to the zionists. Handling the land to arabs, gradual immigration of Jews started.
Palestine would later on become a heterogenous state of about 1 million Muslims, 600,000 Jews, 100,000 Christians and thus it was more of a muslim nation.
Post world war 2, Jewish population rose and developed rapidly, thanks to immigration from Hitler 's persecution in Europe. Clearly threatened, the arabs demanded cease of Jewish immigration. Clashes between the arabs and the Jews intensified that partition of the land into an arab, jewish and international state was proposed by UN. The arabs rejected the proposal, the Jews agreed and proceeded to declare the state of Isreal.



At this point in the conflict, it would be it ok to blame the Isrealis for usurping arab land after subsequent victories but at the depth comes the realisation that the arabs are just as guilty.
Many Palestinian sympathizers believe the Palestinian militants will cease fire once their land ursurped after previous war is returned by the Isrealis. Of course this should solve the dispute but Palestinian militants want everything; to them, their land include even the soil on which the state of Isreal stands on. In short, they want total elimination of Isreal from the map.
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Empiree: 12:56pm On Jul 25, 2014
usermane: Arab-Isreali conflict : Origins




At this point in the conflict, it would be it ok to blame the Isrealis for usurping arab land after subsequent victories but at the depth comes the realisation that the arabs are just as guilty.
Many Palestinian sympathizers believe the Palestinian militants will cease fire once their land ursurped after previous war is returned by the Isrealis. Of course this should solve the dispute but [b]Palestinian militants want everything; to them, their land include even the soil on which the state of Isreal stands on. [/b]In short, they want total elimination of Isreal from the map.

Do these "Israelis" look Israelis of old to you?. Are they same people of Abraham, Moses and Jesus?. Former NYC major is a white man also jewish. He just went to Israel few days ago claiming the land. Does he look Jew of the time of Jesus to you?. Did you listen to his comment after he landed in Israel saying UN (League Of Nations aka British)gave us this land and we cant leave. Israel has right to defend itself. [i]YOU DO NOT DEFEND YOURSELF ON STOLEN LAND

Oh yeah, I guess white folks could claim 9ja too and i want to see what you freaking people would do about it or just sit and watch. And since you love that racist state so much, how about you petition obama to give Israel state of Texas and that solves the problems. Then, Texas' motor is "Dont mess with Texas" would definitely teach them a lesson. Perhaps, you gonna tell me that's not possible, right? Bingo! philistine cant take yank nosense, too.

Besides, you talked about militants wanted everything. But in 2011 Israel walked out during Palestine statehood vote. Meaning Israel doesnt want independent Palestine. As for Arab nations, abeg dont involve that. Their case is with Allah. This is about land grab. Middle East doesnt belong to White people. Oriental Jews live among Arabs and they never had problems until zionists took over others property. Didn't I tell you you have problem with islam and muslims?. You just proved it again. You and those Christians fanatics on NL have no remorse for innocent babies killed by Israelis. instead they make excuses. Onus on you freaking people.

Even Jews of old were "given" the land on conditions which they violated twice and were kicked out of the Holy land twice. And a ban is placed on them and still in effect. I thought you were once orthodox muslim. Perhaps you should know this.

Maybe video below could refresh your orthodox brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1lPBc-UMI
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by usermane(m): 9:11pm On Jul 25, 2014
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Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Empiree: 9:16pm On Jul 25, 2014
usermane:
I didn't say or hint this, Isreali differs from Isrealite and i know this.

The land wasn't fully under the arabs' authority, untill the arabs' revolt, the British exercised control over it. So tell me, which is the stolen land, the parts annexed by Isreal on repeated defeats of the Palestinians or everything including the portion alloted to the Jews originally after the UN partition plan which the Palestinians have rejected till date?

@ bold, you dont get it do you?. This is Middle East NNNNNOOOOT Europe. By the way, it was said that this same Israel was to be settled in Uganda before finally seated in M.E.

Question: If they had succeeded locating Israel in Uganda, would you be able to clearly condemn British and Israel then had Uganda had same crisis philistine going through now?. Cus clearly Ugandans are Blacks. zionist Israel are White. Do you get it?. Or is it bcuz Arabs are not White enough and not Black enough got you confused?.

Well, i am personally not interested in Whether occupiers are white or black. My understanding of the region is ONLY base on Islamic point of view. That's exactly what above video details.

SORRY, BRITISH DIDN'T OWN THE LAND JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD SO CALLED AUTHORITY ON IT. This is Holy Land. And ONLY Allah has authority over it. So He explained it in His Books (Tawrah, Injil and Quran). Period
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by usermane(m): 10:30pm On Jul 25, 2014
Empiree: Oriental Jews live among Arabs and they never had problem until zionists took over others property.
They never had problem or they just chosed it to the prosecution they 'll suffer under the Roman or Byzantine Christians? You sure detest zionists but from your video, what make those Palestinians who believe that Jerusalem and Al Aqsa mosque belong to them, the Muslims and inheritor of the legacy of Abraham any better than the zionists?

Empiree: Didn't I tell you you have problem with islam and muslims? again.
oh, now i understand. When terrorists like Al shabaab hits, you are quick to absolve urself, pointing the atrocities as city crimes with no relation to being Muslim or Islam. But when some muslims are attacked, you jump the gun easily, calling it a deliberate attack on Islam aimed at the victims for being muslims. FYI, i didn't mention Islam at all in my first post and not to hurt your likes, i chosed 'arab' over 'muslim' in describing the palestinian.
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Empiree: 11:24pm On Jul 25, 2014
usermane:
They never had problem or they just chosed it to the prosecution they 'll suffer under the Roman or Byzantine Christians? You sure detest zionists but from your video, what make those Palestinians who believe that Jerusalem and Al Aqsa mosque belong to them, the Muslims and inheritor of the legacy of Abraham any better than the zionists?

Sorry man, Holy Land belongs to Muslims(i:e Arabs, Blacks, White, Chinese, Caribbeans...all races). You not that smart. Christians/jews can live side by side with them but not as authority on the Holy Land. There is no "chosen people" anymore. Only chosen Ummah exists. Bai Bai


[s]oh, now i understand. When terrorists like Al shabaab hits, you are quick to absolve urself, pointing the atrocities as city crimes with no relation to being Muslim or Islam. But when some muslims are attacked, you jump the gun easily, calling it a deliberate attack on Islam aimed at the victims for being muslims. FYI, i didn't mention Islam at all in my first post and not to hurt your likes, i chosed 'arab' over 'muslim' in describing the [/s]palestinian.

Clearly, you are comfortable with babies being killed. If it had been other way around, your other slowpokes would be demanding muslims to condemn it and they never satisfied. Little or no nigerian christians condemned israel's killings of babies. Instead they made xcuses just like you professed. So Bai Bai

"ISRAEL DEFENDS ITSELF". Same poo poo we hear all the time...

Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Nobody: 4:41am On Jul 26, 2014
MrOlai: Israel as a nation needs to be grateful to Palestine. The palestinians are just so unfortunate. All that has happened to them could have happened to Uganda or any other African country Israel rejected in 1948. During the WWII, Adolf Hitler killed more than 6 million Jews. Jews were sheltered and protected by different nations in d hand of Hitler. Palestine was one of such nations. Thousands of Israeli refugees were harboured and protected by Palestinian government. When the Israeli refugee population in Palestine was over a million, the then Palestinian leader complained that they could no longer accommodate d Israeli refugees. After the WWII, the Jews were asked where they would like to stay as a nation by the British. The countries suggested to them include Uganda, Palestine, and a few other African countries. At the end, the Jews chose Palestine. Britain and their allies supported them and used force to establish the State of Israel on Palestine land. It's so pathetic! If the Jews had chosen Nigeria in 1948, what could have been our fate today!

This is such BS;the Jews who lived in Palestine or any other Country were not being "sheltered",they lived in those Places as Citizens with the Associated Rights and Duties,and had being doing so before the onset of the Holocaust,please show us where the the Palestine Government made active Effort to safeguard Jews.

Please don't give false Facts to butress your Point,the Jews were not told to choose wherever they wanted,rather,the UN(Britain),considered Uganda and the Middle East,and then chose the current Site.

The Decision to site Israel in the Middle East was not taking by the Jews,but rather the UN,so reason dictates that whatever Antagonism be directed towards that Body,not the State of Israel,afterall it's not like all the Members of the UNSC are Friends of Israel.
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Nobody: 5:18am On Jul 26, 2014
Empiree:

@ bold, you dont get it do you?. This is Middle East NNNNNOOOOT Europe. By the way, it was said that this same Israel was to be settled in Uganda before finally seated in M.E.

Question: If they had succeeded locating Israel in Uganda, would you be able to clearly condemn British and Israel then had Uganda had same crisis philistine going through now?. Cus clearly Ugandans are Blacks. zionist Israel are White. Do you get it?. Or is it bcuz Arabs are not White enough and not Black enough got you confused?.

Well, i am personally not interested in Whether occupiers are white or black. My understanding of the region is ONLY base on Islamic point of view. That's exactly what above video details.

SORRY, BRITISH DIDN'T OWN THE LAND JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD SO CALLED AUTHORITY ON IT. This is Holy Land. And ONLY Allah has authority over it. So He explained it in His Book (Tawrah, Injil and Quran). Period
Okay,and you think Allah's Solution to the Problem would be the launching of thousands of Missiles at Civillians.

Anyway,what you and a lot other ignorant People don't understand is that other Muslim States by Britain were established around the same Period as Israel,post WW1,after the Partitioning of WW1;and some were even granted full Statehood By Britain and France just before Israel,post WW2,like Iraq,Iran,Syria,Cyprus,Lebanon,Jordan. so the legitimacy of Israel is as solid(or not solid) as that of any of those States.

I don't agree with everything Britain did or that Israel is doing,but then Britain was an imperial Power who did as they wished(as we unfortunately,can see in Nigeria),and Israel has valid Reasons for their continued Occupation;if they pull back,Hamas will just move closer and target farther Cities. Hamas does not want to co-exist,contrary to what majority of Palestinians want(according to Reports).

My understanding of the region is ONLY base on Islamic point of view.
Unfortunately,the Islamic View does not take Precedence over the Laws of the Land,even though you seem to be forgetting that that Land had been occupied before the Advent of Islam.
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Empiree: 7:14am On Jul 26, 2014
koonbey:
[s]Okay,and you think Allah's Solution to the Problem would be the launching of thousands of Missiles at Civillians.

Anyway,what you and a lot other ignorant People don't understand is that other Muslim States by Britain were established around the same Period as Israel,post WW1,after the Partitioning of WW1;and some were even granted full Statehood By Britain and France just before Israel,post WW2,like Iraq,Iran,Syria,Cyprus,Lebanon,Jordan. so the legitimacy of Israel is as solid(or not solid) as that of any of those States.
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I don't agree with everything Britain did or that Israel is doing,but then Britain was an imperial Power who did as they wished(as we unfortunately,can see in Nigeria),and Israel has valid Reasons for their continued Occupation; [s]if they pull back,Hamas will just move closer and target farther Cities. Hamas does not want to co-exist,contrary to what majority of Palestinians want(according to Reports).

Unfortunately,the Islamic View does not take Precedence over the Laws of the Land,even though you seem to be forgetting that that Land had been occupied before the Advent of Islam.
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This is definitely NOT your area of expertise

Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Nobody: 11:16am On Jul 26, 2014
Empiree:

This is definitely NOT your area of expertise
In Legal Education,one quickly learns,as your Picture up there eloquently puts it;that one is ignorant about a lot of Matters,regardless of how much research Time one puts in. The Thing however,is that I am willing to learn,so if you could be kind enough to enlighten me,share some of your Wealth of Knowledge about the the Subject Matter and pin-point exactly where the Mistakes are in my Post,I would be much obliged...I would appreciate it if you could go easy on the Religious Jingoism though.
Re: Israel's Ingratitude To Palestine by Empiree: 7:44pm On Jul 26, 2014
koonbey: In Legal Education,one quickly learns,as your Picture up there eloquently puts it;that one is ignorant about a lot of Matters,regardless of how much research Time one puts in. [b]The Thing however,is that I am willing to learn,[/b]so if you could be kind enough to enlighten me,share some of your Wealth of Knowledge about the the Subject Matter and pin-point exactly where the Mistakes are in my Post,I would be much obliged...I would appreciate it if you could go easy on the Religious Jingoism though.

@bold, not sure of that but can try. I think comprehensive single video to watch might be better cuz am sick of typing lengthy stuff. But you may have to be patient n watch video at your own pace with your ears. (Till after Ramadan). I learned by lowering my ego as well. However not saying everything you said earlier was wrong. Nope. There are some fact is therein.

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