asalimpo:



tb joshua's buildg collapsed leavg casualties. Dyu blame God for that?
Was the buildg constructed in strict accordance with required buildg codes and government regulations? If it wasnt and the buildg toppled because of errors on man's part how and why blame God for it?
Or just because it was used for religious services God shud now be d culprit. Your engineers construct bridges that collapse taking lives with them and you explain it away. Science and engineering studies dont bcome outlawed in higher institutions.
Rockets blow up takg lives with them yet rocket science isnt scrapped but a buildg collapses and your logcal mind,so called, concludes God is non existent!
Atheism is greater insanity.
Besides, 115 people wouldnt leave their country to visit tb joshua,if they werent sufficiently persuaded tht there was hope for them. Y dont u investigate cases of those who claimed to hav had their problems solved by visitg him?

Gosh! Just look at the amount of contradictions and cognitive dissonance in your post.
You blame human error for the horrible deaths of 115 Christian pilgrims who came to worship and beseech omni omni skydaddy, yet you don't blame super omni omni skydaddy for not doing anything, any miracle, any exercise of his divine power to prevent, or at the least, to save the lives of 115 faithful from the collapse?
Then WTF is an omni omni loving god ever good for?
Doesn't this event prove, once again, that god is scam, whether he exists or not?

plaetton:


Gosh! Just look at the amount of contradictions and cognitive dissonance in your post.
You blame human error for the horrible deaths of 115 Christian pilgrims who came to worship and beseech omni omni skydaddy, yet you don't blame super omni omni skydaddy for not doing anything, any miracle, any exercise of his divine power to prevent, or at the least, to save the lives of 115 faithful from the collapse?
Then WTF is an omni omni loving god ever good for?
Doesn't this event prove, once again, that god is scam, whether he exists or not?

Your thinking is laughable, even though you cite a serious matter. So everything that has the name of God attached to it should be supported by Him even though human being made errors with them?

Why not go and start your own synagogue and call it by God's name and see Him come and dance there just because you added His Name to it? Honestly, your thinking is seriously laughable .....

BraveGuy:


Your thinking is laughable, even though you cite a serious matter. So everything that has the name of God attached to it should be supported by Him even though human being made errors with them?

Why not go and start your own synagogue and call it by God's name and see Him come and dance there just because you added His Name to it? Honestly, your thinking is seriously laughable .....

So are you insinuating that synagogue Joshua is a scam that uses God's name?

plaetton:


Gosh! Just look at the amount of contradictions and cognitive dissonance in your post.
You blame human error for the horrible deaths of 115 Christian pilgrims who came to worship and beseech omni omni skydaddy, yet you don't blame super omni omni skydaddy for not doing anything, any miracle, any exercise of his divine power to prevent, or at the least, to save the lives of 115 faithful from the collapse?
Then WTF is an omni omni loving god ever good for?
Doesn't this event prove, once again, that god is scam, whether he exists or not?

your thinkg is skewed really.
I had addressed ur lop sided logc in the post. Besides, evolution is ridiculous. If u wanted to b honest,you'd admit it's tattered broken logic.
For 1,assuming God prevented the collpse what difference wud it make to the atheists viewpoint?

asalimpo:


your thinkg is skewed really.
I had addressed ur lop sided logc in the post. Besides, evolution is ridiculous. If u wanted to b honest,you'd admit it's tattered broken logic.
For 1,assuming God prevented the collpse what difference wud it make to the atheists viewpoint?

You keep bringing in the evolution straw man out of desperation, as if accepting the postulates of evolution is a prerequisite for being an atheist.

Allow me to indulge your desperation and take you up on your straw man. What do you understand of evolution? And what do you disagree with, regarding the theory?

asalimpo:

this question veers into anoda dimension. The issue here is whether God exists or not?
A wicked God or a senile one is not non existing? Infact,it's a logical error to deny the existence of God because His character trait don't align with your ideals.

Bro, all i'm saying is: if your god is for real, let him come and do REAL things. I am not inconvertible

BraveGuy:


You still don't get it!

How can you be blaming God for the evils of mankind?

Have you ever tried to check some of the genesis of these problems? Ever heard of the NWO? Which planet are you living on?
Maybe you can check this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1955870/open-eyes-war

So, God created man to do all that is evil? He made them invent the Atomic Bomb that destroyed Nagasaki & Hiroshima? Why do we always look for excuses perpetrated by the evil of mankind and blame it on God? Why are we so proud and always try to deflect blame and responsibility?

According to your worldview, god initiated and anchors this whole charade. Yes, it's all a charade since the omniscient knew and scripted it all.

Why shouldn't we demand responsibility from him?

Besides, whats'up with all the stuff you wrote up there? are you saying man is the cause of: tsunamis; Malaria; cancer; hurricane; babies born with congenital deformities?
So much mishap for an omni-perfect god!

These guys just don't get it... When evil is mentioned, god becomes little helpless purring kitten (awww so cute). Not one paragraph after painting the image of a defenseless powerless god, it suddenly morphs into an omni-everything.

qstar:



According to your worldview, god initiated and anchors this whole charade. Yes, it's all a charade since the omniscient knew and scripted it all.

Why shouldn't we demand responsibility from him?

Besides, whats'up with all the stuff you wrote up there? are you saying man is the cause of: tsunamis; Malaria; cancer; hurricane; babies born with congenital deformities?
So much mishap for an omni-perfect god!

are tsunami's,malaria,deformed births all the evils in d world?
How did u even jump to that conclusion?

If life is a charade, why do so many,you inclusive crave a bit of it?

asalimpo:


your thinkg is skewed really.
I had addressed ur lop sided logc in the post. Besides, evolution is ridiculous. If u wanted to b honest,you'd admit it's tattered broken logic.
For 1,assuming God prevented the collpse what difference wud it make to the atheists viewpoint?

Is this about evolution?

Before any engages you on theory of evolution, kindly tells your level of scientific literacy.
Is it primary school level, bible school level, junior or senior secondary school level? I know for sure it cannot be university level.

We have debated evolution extensively with far brighter minds than a bloke that depends on a 4 yr old for description of what Jesus really looks like.
I would be insulting myself by discussing evolution with you.

qstar:



Bro, all i'm saying is: if your god is for real, let him come and do REAL things. I am not inconvertible

And all God is sayg is tht the problem of humanity surpasses immediate quick answers like God is a genie in a lamp. Tht the fundamental problem tht put the world in its present state is sin and man's fallen nature.
What has God done about the main issue?
He fixed it. By sendg His Son to die for man's sins. With the main problem fixed the lesser problems are trivial.
Priority first. God provided the solution to man's problem millenias ago. God has done somthg. The ball is in man's court.

As for signs and wonders- He does them too but the sceptic will still doubt.
You want God to tap u on the shoulder before you believe?

^^^
What a load of cow dung.

God fixed what?
And we still have greater problems in world.

What an Incompetent workman your omni omni omniness really is, huh?

plaetton:

Is this about evolution?

Before any engages you on theory of evolution, kindly tells your level of scientific literacy.
Is it primary school level, bible school level, junior or senior secondary school level? I know for sure it cannot be university level.

We have debated evolution extensively with far brighter minds than a bloke that depends on a 4 yr old for description of what Jesus really looks like.
I would be insulting myself by discussing evolution with you.

the theory of relativity which you could never conjecture on ur own can b explained in simple terms.
Stop pulling d jargon card.
The most complicated subjects in the sciences are explained in simple terms to lay audience.
because in essence,they are simple.

If you need higher knowledge to understand a concept, then by the same vein you are not qualified to question God's judgement in the bible or why He does things the way he does.

A four year old's account of a situation would b more credible than an older person's because, that four year old would b unschooled in all the hypocrisy and reserves tht would taint an adults versions.
Besides, at wat age were ur brains mature enuff to distinguish a man's face in a picture? 10?
15? If so this kid is a prodigy!!

plaetton:
Dear op,
You might as well say that LSD hallucinations or other narcotics- induced highs and hallucinations are also proof of god's existence.
Can you honestly say that?

That is SO on point! That's pretty much what happens during these near-death experiences, just that the body itself releases loads of substances.

BraveGuy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

Neurosurgeon Dr Eben Alexander was convinced out-of-body experiences were hallucinations — until he went into a coma himself and had what he now believes was a glimpse of heaven.

Do you have to get into a coma before you believe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

I am a GOD. I exist outside and within this reality. Dr Eben Alexander experienced himself in a parallel world. Nothing to do with a creator or supreme dog

BraveGuy:



To be honest, the arguments presented as a debunk to Dr Eben Alexander's experience are just arguments against his experience, they do not hold water.

Who else would like to debunk the story of the boy upon which the movie, "Heaven Is Real" was based?

I am looking forward to that now.

You always seem to be shooting at all directions from Dr Eben to the story of a boy who went to heaven. . .Pls stay on topic. . .
Now back to Dr Eben Alexander. . .The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Do you believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. .

BraveGuy:


Your thinking is laughable, even though you cite a serious matter. So everything that has the name of God attached to it should be supported by Him even though human being made errors with them?

Why not go and start your own synagogue and call it by God's name and see Him come and dance there just because you added His Name to it? Honestly, your thinking is seriously laughable .....

The ugly truth is cave men creates God in their own image becauae they couldn't provide answer to many things around them.

cave men want answer to why we have the sun, moon, where we came from, where we are going, why it rains, why human dies etc...they find it diffucult to phantom the fact that these could just happen without a designer which must be some pale skin daddy living in the sky ( since all the known prophet of God religion are Caucasians).

Synagogue church is a business venture with a strong marketing strategies... lot of staged performed miracles to attract gullible minded poor and needing Africans.

A man of God that needed a television station to show is miracle....smh

mazaje:


You always seem to be shooting at all directions from Dr Eben to the story of a boy who went to heaven. . .Pls stay on topic. . .
Now back to Dr Eben Alexander. . .The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Do you believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. .

I am not subjected to his experiences, I have a stronger basis, which is the Bible. I can believe in his claim to a point and that is up to where an established precedence has been (in the Bible), beyond this, I can't argue against or support his claim. However, we have a common belief in that there is more to life beyond our physical realities, especially in the notion of heaven.

The reason I pulled up the post is to affirm the claim that there is a spiritual world, and if there is a spiritual world, then as an atheist, you should rethink your belief system and relearn what you think you know, and that would not be complete without acknowledging the existence of a God who sits atop of spiritual realities.

asalimpo:

And all God is sayg is tht the problem of humanity surpasses immediate quick answers like God is a genie in a lamp. Tht the fundamental problem tht put the world in its present state is sin and man's fallen nature.
What has God done about the main issue?
He fixed it. By sendg His Son to die for man's sins. With the main problem fixed the lesser problems are trivial.
Priority first. God provided the solution to man's problem millenias ago. God has done somthg. The ball is in man's court.

God never fixes any man's problem. man fixes man's problems. You know what god does? he sits on a throne, amused by all the miseries he's put man into and then promises more miseries for those who refuse to align with Israel/Arab.

As for signs and wonders- He does them too but the sceptic will still doubt.
You want God to tap u on the shoulder before you believe?

He doesn't necessarily need to come tap me on the shoulder. He should come and do real stuff, not giving dreams, poems and comic books to some 'set of people'. It was so easy for him to say "let there be light, and there was light" in the book of Genesis, why can't he speak "peace" into being?

You know what? the day god reveals itself, there would be no more atheism, no more religion... wouldn't it be great of god, huh?

qstar:


God never fixes any man's problem. man fixes man's problems. You know what god does? he sits on a throne, amused by all the miseries he's put man into and then promises more miseries for those who refuse to align with Israel/Arab.

He doesn't necessarily need to come tap me on the shoulder. He should come and do real stuff, not giving dreams, poems and comic books to some 'set of people'. It was so easy for him to say "let there be light, and there was light" in the book of Genesis, why can't he speak "peace" into being?

You know what? the day god reveals itself, there would be no more atheism, no more religion... wouldn't it be great of god, huh?

#1. God has revealed Himself by His Son, yet you refused to believe.
#2. I am a living proof that He fixes lives. He fixed mine!
And He's fixed so many others who chose to put their trust in Him.
#3. He's method of bringing peace is through individuals who would acknowledge Him in their lives .... "The Kingdom of God is not about partying and revelries, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

I guess you're a very angry man, angry at God and the world. You must accept that as agents of free choice and not preprogrammed robots, we are responsible for the evil we have caused the world. God did not make atomic or nuclear bombs; God did not make Bill Clinton cheat on his wife by committing adultery; and God did not invent Las Vegas; and certainly not Ebola!

But I can tell you that He has inspired not a few people to help humanity in no small way:
George Washington Carver was inspired by God to give us peanut butter
Sir Isaac Newton was a man of God who brought untold development to science and technology.
Gary Keith Starkweather was inspired through the Bible to invent the Laser Printer
(Listen to him in this short interview about another unique invention God helped him with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eFLQoBXMHI#t=116)

I will conclude with the words of Abdus Salam, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work in electroweak theory. He is here quoted in his article entitled Science and Religion: “A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

BraveGuy:


#1. God has revealed Himself by His Son, yet you refused to believe.
#2. I am a living proof that He fixes lives. He fixed mine!
And He's fixed so many others who chose to put their trust in Him.
#3. He's method of bringing peace is through individuals who would acknowledge Him in their lives .... "The Kingdom of God is not about partying and revelries, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

I guess you're a very angry man, angry at God and the world. You must accept that as agents of free choice and not preprogrammed robots, we are responsible for the evil we have caused the world. God did not make atomic or nuclear bombs; God did not make Bill Clinton cheat on his wife by committing adultery; and God did not invent Las Vegas; and certainly not Ebola!

But I can tell you that He has inspired not a few people to help humanity in no small way:
George Washington Carver was inspired by God to give us peanut butter
Sir Isaac Newton was a man of God who brought untold development to science and technology.
Gary Keith Starkweather was inspired through the Bible to invent the Laser Printer
(Listen to him in this short interview about another unique invention God helped him with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eFLQoBXMHI#t=116)

I will conclude with the words of Abdus Salam, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work in electroweak theory. He is here quoted in his article entitled Science and Religion: “A scientific discovery is also a religious discovery. There is no conflict between science and religion. Our knowledge of God is made larger with every discovery we make about the world.”

Don't you agree with the adage that "Evil happens because good men sit still and do nothing about?"

BraveGuy:


I am not subjected to his experiences, I have a stronger basis, which is the Bible. I can believe in his claim to a point and that is up to where an established precedence has been (in the Bible), beyond this, I can't argue against or support his claim. However, we have a common belief in that there is more to life beyond our physical realities, especially in the notion of heaven.

The reason I pulled up the post is to affirm the claim that there is a spiritual world, and if there is a spiritual world, then as an atheist, you should rethink your belief system and relearn what you think you know, and that would not be complete without acknowledging the existence of a God who sits atop of spiritual realities.

But you didn't demonstrate nor describe the spiritual world you are trying to prove. Because nobody on Nairaland has been able to intelligible talk about spiritual realities. I read your OP and saw that it was not the doctor's place to claim he was brain dead and somehow conscious of that fact. It is not just plausible.

Thank you exposed your thinly veiled agenda of trying to authenticate the mysteries of the Bible.

qstar:


God never fixes any man's problem. man fixes man's problems. You know what god does? he sits on a throne, amused by all the miseries he's put man into and then promises more miseries for those who refuse to align with Israel/Arab.



He doesn't necessarily need to come tap me on the shoulder. He should come and do real stuff, not giving dreams, poems and comic books to some 'set of people'. It was so easy for him to say "let there be light, and there was light" in the book of Genesis, why can't he speak "peace" into being?

You know what? the day god reveals itself, there would be no more atheism, no more religion... wouldn't it be great of god, huh?

wat actually suprises me is how your atheistic mind cannot explain and proffer solutions to the situation you speak of.
As an evolutionist you hav no business talkg of peace. because, morality is pointless. Life is pointless. Livg is aimless.
It's all just an endless meaningless cycle. Animals prey on others, to satisfy their cravgs, the violence is necessary to achieve the objective - quench hunger for one. One falls victim. The carnivore dies to become manure which nourishes the grass another victim will feed fat on to bcome prey for anoda carnivore .... Process brgins ad infinitum.
No moral element,no lastg peace,just survival.
Corporate greed is all survival.
Stealg is all survival.
By the theory of evolution and the atheistic perspectve,it is out of sync and hypocritcal to crave , higher states like morality,peace, fairness.

asalimpo:


wat actually suprises me is how your atheistic mind cannot explain and proffer solutions to the situation you speak of.
As an evolutionist you hav no business talkg of peace. because, morality is pointless. Life is pointless. Livg is aimless.
It's all just an endless meaningless cycle. Animals prey on others, to satisfy their cravgs, the violence is necessary to achieve the objective - quench hunger for one. One falls victim. The carnivore dies to become manure which nourishes the grass another victim will feed fat on to bcome prey for anoda carnivore .... Process brgins ad infinitum.
No moral element,no lastg peace,just survival.
Corporate greed is all survival.
Stealg is all survival.
By the theory of evolution and the atheistic perspectve,it is out of sync and hypocritcal to crave , higher states like morality,peace, fairness.

Get off your evolution-disgust-mantra-horse. Trash out your issue on evolution with them evolutionist atheists.

asalimpo:

As an evolutionist you hav no business talkg of peace. because, morality is pointless. Life is pointless. Livg is aimless.
It's all just an endless meaningless cycle. Animals prey on others, to satisfy their cravgs, the violence is necessary to achieve the objective - quench hunger for one. One falls victim. The carnivore dies to become manure which nourishes the grass another victim will feed fat on to bcome prey for anoda carnivore .... Process brgins ad infinitum.
No moral element,no lastg peace,just survival.
Corporate greed is all survival.
Stealg is all survival.
By the theory of evolution and the atheistic perspectve,it is out of sync and hypocritcal to crave , higher states like morality,peace, fairness.

To start with, let's clarify a few of your crude conceptions of evolution.

1) Evolution is NOT a way of life or a religion, it is a theory that attempts to explain natural phenomena in living organisms.

2) It states that nature will only reward those species with a good survival strategy, and eliminate those without. This explains why around 90% of species that ever lived have gone extinct. They couldn't cope beneficially!


3) Evolution is not a linear, one size fits all process. It postulates that the diversity of needs in the kingdom of the living is as vast as the various environmental conditions. For this very reason, the theory of evolution cannot prescribe the elixir of survival to any species, rather it tries to understand, and subsequently describe their survival strategy.

4) The ultimate goal of all evolutionary processes is survival. In other words, evolution is long term adaptation. Hence, if morality aids survival of any species, it will necessarily be adopted as part of their behavioral template.

5) While evolution has many practical applications, like mastering how to conquer the evolutional paths of living things and making them more useful (eg in antibiotics, antiviruses, manure, disease resistant food crops etc), evolution is a fundamental science at its core, only driven by a need to know. Fortunately, this fact about evolution means it can be discussed, debated and discarded for a more comprehensive theory.

Now, you seem to have something against evolution, yet you're having difficulty articulating yourself. Let me make it easy for you by asking questions systematically.

So, my first question to you is why you think evolution precludes morality?

^^^
Ha ha.
Case closed. There is nothing better than a sound education,. and by education I also mean informal self-education.

The saddest thing is that people who have not benefited from a sound formal or self-education are proud to wax loud against issues of which they have no iota of knowledge.
Sad indeed.

BraveGuy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

Neurosurgeon Dr Eben Alexander was convinced out-of-body experiences were hallucinations — until he went into a coma himself and had what he now believes was a glimpse of heaven.

Do you have to get into a coma before you believe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799385/glimpses-life-brain-surgeon-told-saw-heaven-coma-today-reveals-stories-say-ve-similar-life-changing-experiences.html

Endogenous DMT. Terence McKenna once said that "magic IS real," that was what he meant.

AgentOfAllah:


To start with, let's clarify a few of your crude conceptions of evolution.

1) Evolution is NOT a way of life or a religion, it is a theory that attempts to explain natural phenomena in living organisms.

2) It states that nature will only reward those species with a good survival strategy, and eliminate those without. This explains why around 90% of species that ever lived have gone extinct. They couldn't cope beneficially!


3) Evolution is not a linear, one size fits all process. It postulates that the diversity of needs in the kingdom of the living is as vast as the various environmental conditions. For this very reason, the theory of evolution cannot prescribe the elixir of survival to any species, rather it tries to understand, and subsequently describe their survival strategy.

4) The ultimate goal of all evolutionary processes is survival. In other words, evolution is long term adaptation. Hence, if morality aids survival of any species, it will necessarily be adopted as part of their behavioral template.

5) While evolution has many practical applications, like mastering how to conquer the evolutional paths of living things and making them more useful (eg in antibiotics, antiviruses, manure, disease resistant food crops etc), evolution is a fundamental science at its core, only driven by a need to know. Fortunately, this fact about evolution means it can be discussed, debated and discarded for a more comprehensive theory.

Now, you seem to have something against evolution, yet you're having difficulty articulating yourself. Let me make it easy for you by asking questions systematically.

So, my first question to you is why you think evolution precludes morality?

issues about the existence or non existence of God will eventually bother on some core questions which if couched in lay logic,common sense, would disqualify certain absurdities pushed by science and atheists.
Like, where did man come from?
How did this world come to be?
Why is there evil in the world?
Why does man die?
Etc

some questions are more fundamental than others.
The bible view is more complete and persuasive than the materialistc world view.
Wat's more is the real life corroborations of the bible (amidst fakes) tht cannot b objectively disqualified by any rational argument.
Added together, there's no case for sayg God doesnt exist.

Your arguments about, requirg substantial education to understand evolution is a smoke screen ur usg to dismiss an argument.
The basic,truths of d bible are comprehensible to any sane thinkg person. The illustrations in d bible are couched in simple terms.

Askg me to not mention evolution, is like sayg i shud stay hush about an absurdity.
An absurdity, strongly presented can bcome acceptable, but the initial reaction to it ,is usually geniune and unadulterated.from the heart. Remember how people initially reacted to instances of homosexuality?

Your question on evolution and morality is barren at most . You are are sayg, evolution imputed this trait in man,how? By juxtaposition of man's genetics (since its a materialistc world view) but this defies the very nature of randomness, which shud have distributed varyg quantities of the same trait in other species!
There shud be other species rivalling and/or surpassing man in intellect. That's how randomness and chance work.
That man only has the highest and non-negligible concentration of a developed intellect destroys any argumnt for chance/accidental design but to purposeful design.

Attributg purposeful design from chance, by injectg the element of time is hogwash. Even, scientists know this. It's only supported because of course nobody can go back in time to observe the process - to prove it. So it's a theory (a conjecture).
On a small scale, evolution is scientifcally unreplicable. E.g,
take basic life forms, suspend them in an observable medium for a long time, say 50yrs, will they morph into higher more advanced life forms? No.
Assumg, by fluke of chance they did, are u sayg, there's a law that basic life forms+time = progressive more advanced life forms?
Wat injected the element of progressiveness into the trend? Time?
Theyre only 3 states those organisms cudve sunk into:
no progress, retrogression/decay,
advancement.

I dont even want to talk about the assumed multiplicity from a singularity, evolution glides over.

BraveGuy:


Did you read the article before making a comment? I doubt it.
Your argument is completely out-of-sync with the article.

Let me quote the man again:
"What is unique in my case is that I am, as far as scientific records show, the only person to have travelled to this heavenly dimension with the cortex in complete shut-down, while under minute observation throughout.

There are medical records for every minute of my coma, and none of them show any indication of brain activity. In other words, as far as neuroscience can say, my journey was not something happening inside my head.

Plenty of scientists have a lot of difficulty with this statement. My experience undermines their whole belief system." - Dr Eben Alexander.

How does this prove that the god that exists is the christian god? Also , whatever branch of medicine you specialise in does not make you a know-all even in that sub-specialization! ...i know this for sure. This guys testimony is risible, null& void.

asalimpo:

issues about the existence or non existence of God will eventually bother on some core questions which if couched in lay logic,common sense, would disqualify certain absurdities pushed by science and atheists.
Like, where did man come from?
How did this world come to be?
Why is there evil in the world?
Why does man die?
Etc

some questions are more fundamental than others.
The bible view is more complete and persuasive than the materialistc world view.
Wat's more is the real life corroborations of the bible (amidst fakes) tht cannot b objectively disqualified by any rational argument.
Added together, there's no case for sayg God doesnt exist.

Your arguments about, requirg substantial education to understand evolution is a smoke screen ur usg to dismiss an argument.
The basic,truths of d bible are comprehensible to any sane thinkg person. The illustrations in d bible are couched in simple terms.

Askg me to not mention evolution, is like sayg i shud stay hush about an absurdity.
An absurdity, strongly presented can bcome acceptable, but the initial reaction to it ,is usually geniune and unadulterated.from the heart. Remember how people initially reacted to instances of homosexuality?

Your question on evolution and morality is barren at most . You are are sayg, evolution imputed this trait in man,how? By juxtaposition of man's genetics (since its a materialistc world view) but this defies the very nature of randomness, which shud have distributed varyg quantities of the same trait in other species!
There shud be other species rivalling and/or surpassing man in intellect. That's how randomness and chance work.
That man only has the highest and non-negligible concentration of a developed intellect destroys any argumnt for chance/accidental design but to purposeful design.

Attributg purposeful design from chance, by injectg the element of time is hogwash. Even, scientists know this. It's only supported because of course nobody can go back in time to observe the process - to prove it. So it's a theory (a conjecture).
On a small scale, evolution is scientifcally unreplicable. E.g,
take basic life forms, suspend them in an observable medium for a long time, say 50yrs, will they morph into higher more advanced life forms? No.
Assumg, by fluke of chance they did, are u sayg, there's a law that basic life forms+time = progressive more advanced life forms?
Wat injected the element of progressiveness into the trend? Time?
Theyre only 3 states those organisms cudve sunk into:
no progress, retrogression/decay,
advancement.

I dont even want to talk about the assumed multiplicity from a singularity, evolution glides over.

where did god come from too?

Kay17:


But you didn't demonstrate nor describe the spiritual world you are trying to prove. Because nobody on Nairaland has been able to intelligible talk about spiritual realities. I read your OP and saw that it was not the doctor's place to claim he was brain dead and somehow conscious of that fact. It is not just plausible.

Thank you exposed your thinly veiled agenda of trying to authenticate the mysteries of the Bible.

There is nothing for me to authenticate. The Bible authenticates itself.

BraveGuy:


There is nothing for me to authenticate. The Bible authenticates itself.

Do you consider all the scientific and literary commentaries on the Bible all false?