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Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 10:04pm On Oct 25, 2014 |
asalimpo: Dude, your target is at the centre, but you keep shooting in all 360 cardinal directions. Let's focus on one thing at a time to make the conversation manageable for us both. Our focus is evolution for now. When we're done, we can talk more about god.
I made no such argument. In fact, by trying to engage with you, I'm doing the exact opposite of dismissing your argument. Askg me to not mention evolution, is like sayg i shud stay hush about an absurdity.Au contraire, I'm not asking you to hush about evolution, I'm actually quite interested in what you have to say about it, which is why I'm engaging you. So please, spell out the supposed "absurdities".
Yes, the same way people (and especially the church) initially reacted to Galileo Galilei's heliocentric argument. Their reactions were, of course "from the heart"...except he was right and they were wrong! So much for genuine unadulterated reactions, eh? My question is not barren at all (I don't even know what that means...lol). I really want to know why you think evolution cannot account for morality. 'Morality' is a beneficial behaviour that ensures the continued survival of the homo-sapient species. Of course, other animals have been suggested to exhibit apparently moral behaviours too, the homo sapient species is unique in its ability to abstractify morality and, as a result, adopt excess moral baggage (like religion) as long as it believes there's some kind of benefit to be gained. Although, in a very interesting 1967 study, "Cultural acquisition of a specific learned response among rhesus monkeys" by G.R. Stephenson, other primates were shown to acquire excess "moral" baggage even when they didn't know why. What this proves is that morality is not a 0/1 attribute, it is actually a spectrum, with humans having the highest degree of it, and (co)incidentally, the highest capacity for destruction too, as a result. Yes, I agree that randomness/chance cannot explain man's intellect, or the diversity of life for that matter. But whence comes the presumption that evolution is a random, chance dictated process? It is far from. While mutations may occur by chance, evolution doesn't. It favours the mutations that prove beneficial to the organism, and if such a mutation doesn't prove beneficial, the organism might still keep it provided the organism has other mutations that provide net benefit. Otherwise, the organism would do away with it or die out eventually. As a result, you'll find a lot of unnecessary complexities in organisms (no intelligent designer makes things unnecessarily complex). Imagine you made a t-shirt, and sewed another t-shirt to that t-shirt for no reason. This is the sort of complexity we find in biological organisms, and this is consistent with evolution, which forces organisms to shed harmful mutations or die out (dormant mutations, e.g male nip.ples and wisdom teeth may needlessly remain). I hope, from my previous explanation, we can now agree that evolution is not chance/random process. For more information on this, click HERE Another misconception you seem to have is what constitutes scientific theory. Scientific theories aren't conjectures at all. They are explanations built upon experimentally demonstrated facts. Actually, attaining the status of 'theory' in science is the highest possible scientific acknowledgement any proposition can achieve after extensive, rigorous scrutiny (e.g. electromagnetic theory which has provided us with mobile phones, internet, GPS and so on). And contrary to your false assertion, evolution has actually been witnessed on small scale in labs here's an example. I hope you change your stance on that. It is a lot more difficult to witness it on macroscale as this takes several thousands of years to manifest, which is beyond the timescale of a human's lifetime. Finally, while basic lifeforms may evolve and change their methods of adaptation, they do not always have to evolve into complex lifeforms. In fact, this hardly happens, as it does seem there are more unicellular organisms than multicelullar ones in existence. This supposition is difficult to confirm mainly because we don't have a full list of the more readily observable multicelullar organisms, talk less of unicellular ones.
I don't know what you mean. 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Oduduwaboy(m): 7:02am On Oct 26, 2014 |
mazaje:Dr Eben Alexander only reminds one of people like Rebecca Brown & Robert Liardon. Rebecca Brown was a doctor in the United States who claimed she was having a spiritual battle with witches in her area; she sold many books; she was later found to be schizophrenic. Her medical licence got revoked because of unethical claims & practices. Robert Liardon wrote a book ' I saw heaven'. Today he has lost all the reverence he had because he was found to be homosexual( got nothing against gays anyway). Lesson: any body can write any book to make wild claims. A non- peer reviewed manuscript holds no value in the modern world! 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by BraveGuy: 7:37pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
abdulwastecx: Who told you that I agree with what goes on in the TB Joshua's Synagogue? For all you know, I might be more disagreeable as to his beliefs than you. However, that is another topic entirely. I guess you want to tell me that Dr Eben said he was testifying as a Christian, isn't it? No, he wasn't. I cited his (and the little boy's) case to prove that there is a SPIRITUAL WORLD. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by mazaje(m): 8:21pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
BraveGuy: So people's unverifiable claims are what you call evidence. eh?. . .Will you accept the same claims about people that claim to have reincarnated as evidence for reincarnation?. . .There are countless videos of people on the internet claimging to have reincarnated. . .Does that count as evidence for you?. . .You are just too ridiculous. . . 2 Likes |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by BraveGuy: 9:33pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
mazaje: That is their prerogative. It's YOUR problem if you want to disbelieve there is a spiritual world or not. Continue to claim your foolishness that there is no God in the face of facts. I am yet to see any of you so-called atheist prove there is no God; in fact, how many of you carry a mobile phone device around (I am sure all of you), which of you has ever seen the wireless frequencies connecting you to the Internet? None! Yet you try to argue about a spiritual world someone claims to see because you have not seen it? Continue in your foolishness (Psalm 14:1). 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 11:16pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
BraveGuy:What facts? No atheist can prove there is no god any more than you can prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster. It is simply impossible to prove a negative.
Errr..I have seen the frequency. With an oscilloscope, you can as well. No, it was YOU who tried to ram the existence of an ever elusive spiritual world down our throats without evidence. Check the title of your thread. Alright clever guy. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by BraveGuy: 11:21pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: Go and look in the mirror..... the person you see is a living FACT/PROOF that you are creation not an accident. Ask that person how you got there? Ask the mirror, too.... how it got there? That is the most minimal fact/proof that you need. 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 11:36pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
BraveGuy:Actually, my mum told me how I came to be. Apparently, I was an accidental discharge Huh?? So you talk to images? And you also talk to mirrors? SMFHFY!!! Pfft. Your religious delusions know no bounds! |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Weah96: 1:23am On Oct 27, 2014 |
BraveGuy: Funny, I haven't seen any of you prove his existence either. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by mazaje(m): 5:36am On Oct 27, 2014 |
BraveGuy: What facts have you provided?. . .all you have done so far is throw ideas of others that have not been verified as facts. . . You are a joker. . |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Oduduwaboy(m): 5:57am On Oct 27, 2014 |
Life is simpler for me these days because i stopped debating religious folks. @ Plaetton please take note. Anybody who chooses to practice religion for more than 20years and does not see the intense lies in it should be left to himself/herself. Summary: its a waste of time and effort debating 99.9% of religious people. They do not operate with reason but with an 'imaginary' faith in an 'imaginary' daddy. Parallel lines do not meet. 2 Likes |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Misogynist2014(m): 7:48am On Oct 27, 2014 |
mazaje:Let me educate you. Claiming an all-knowing God doesn't exist means u are all-knowing. Tell me the address of where I am 4 a start. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by mazaje(m): 9:33am On Oct 27, 2014 |
Misogynist2014: Who claimed that an all knowing god exist?. . .Can you show me when and where the god made the claim himself, don't point to writings of men, just show me when where the god made the claim himsel, only then will I know that you have an idea of what you are talking about . . |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 11:56am On Oct 27, 2014 |
Misogynist2014: Now, let me educate you. Claiming an all knowing flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist means you're all-knowing. Tell me the band gap of an AlGaN multi-quantum well semiconductor material with well width of 3nm and 65%Al concentration for a start. 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Nobody: 12:00pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
In PEJ's voice ; that man must surely be made in China. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 12:08pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: The debate is worth it, if only for the 0.1% that may become reasonable. By "Law of large numbers", regression to the mean will always assume preponderance. 2 Likes |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Oduduwaboy(m): 3:00pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:I will agree with you. But after two or three exchanges with some people we must quickly determine whether they lie within the 'hopeful' 0.1% or the 'hopeless' 99.9%. I discovered that most of the entities we debate in this section of nairaland sadly fall into the 99.9% and often times they drag one into the mud-pit of hauling insults & invectives. It may not be worth it you know. Anyway, on a lighter note,why your moniker? If Ayatollah Khomeini were still alive , am sure a price would be on your head. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 4:14pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: I literally used to be an agent of Allah...I'm now a rogue agent though. 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Misogynist2014(m): 4:44pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:Even flying monster has not claimed it exist. So to me its a fiction until proven otherwise. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 5:11pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Misogynist2014: Good man, now substitute "flying monster" with "yahweh", and presto! We now understand each other In a sense, you're an atheist to all the gods whose existence you deny, yes, including flying spaghetti monster. The only difference between us both is that I deny one extra god, yours. |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by Oduduwaboy(m): 5:56pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:Okay. i now understand where you are coming from; you were in the 0.1%...you were won over by Reason! 1 Like |
Re: Read This & Claim Atheism! by AgentOfAllah: 6:18pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: There you go. |
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