SirWere:
Another post like this again


Ok, for the sake of argument, let us accept evolution is false. Can you provide me with evidence for Creationism Do mention me when you feel free.

Splinz:

For real, SirWere. The evidence is why we're here!

Splinz:
The Most Perfect Clock

You probably have a watch. Without it, you would be lost in a world that demands that people “be on time.”

Some watches are more accurate than others. How accurate is yours? How long before it loses a second? When this happens, you adjust it by reckoning from a more accurate source. That source, whatever it is, is also imperfect and has to be regularly updated, though not as often, to be in accord with the Master Clock of the United States at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

For many years, until 1967, Naval Observatory astronomers “observed” the motion of the earth, in relation to the heavens, to accurately measure time. All clocks in this country were set in relation to these very precise measurements. It was God who made this Master Clock of the Universe! He set the heavens in motion and mankind learned how to use its wonderful accuracy. As marvelous as this Great Clock is, the story does not end here.

In 1967, scientists built an “Atomic Clock.” It uses Cesium 133 atoms because they oscillate (vibrate) at the rate of 9,192,631,770 times per second. This produces accuracy within ONE SECOND EVERY 30 MILLION YEARS! Wouldn’t you love a watch that accurate? Cesium 133 atoms never vary a single vibration. They are steady—constant—reliable—and cannot be an accident of nature that just “happens” to always turn out exactly the same. God had to design the complexity and reliability of these atoms. No honest mind can believe otherwise. Men merely learned how to capture what God designed, for use in time measurement. Again, the story continues.

Doubters, consider this! Scientists in Boulder, Colorado, at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, have built an optical clock that is even more accurate. How? By measuring time with light. Time is now measured in what are called femtoseconds—or a million-billionth of a second. These clocks use mercury ions at their “heart” to count the number of times they vibrate in a second.
Optical frequencies regularly oscillate at one million-billion (1,000,000,000,000,000—one quadrillion) times per second. By using lasers and “cooled down” mercury ions, scientists have harnessed God’s precision to better measure time. Optical clocks only slip by ONE SECOND EVERY 30 BILLION YEARS! This is 1,000 times more accurate than atomic clocks!

All human watchmakers use extraordinary precision in their work. Quartz watches measure time by counting the exact number of oscillations of a quartz crystal through use of a digital counter. Digital clocks use the oscillations of quartz crystals or power lines (60 cycles per second in the United States), but may also count through use of digital counters. Grandfather clocks use the swing of a pendulum, once every second and recorded by metal gears inside the clock, to keep time.

As with the movement of the heavens, men have learned to capture the reliability of Cesium 133 atoms and the movement of cooled mercury ions to count time. Their number of oscillations per second never varies. Could this perfect order be the product of an accident?
In summary, only with great time and effort, the finest watchmakers in the world can, at best, devise several kinds of relatively imprecise clocks. Can any honest, fair-minded person then believe that the three highly precise clocks—the heavens, atomic and optical clocks—came about by accident? In other words, are we to believe that while very sophisticated, humanly devised watches required the effort and ingenuity of skilled, intelligent men to create them, clocks of far greater sophistication, precision and design developed on their own? How utterly ridiculous!

You have seen ABSOLUTE PROOF that only the “Greatest Watchmaker” could have devised these “greatest watches.”

Go nowhere! It is only getting started............. I'll be back with more shortly.

ValentineMary
SirWere
HardMirror
Cloudgoddess, etc. Lets trash it out!

SirWere:
Another post like this again


Ok, for the sake of argument, let us accept evolution is false. Can you provide me with evidence for Creationism Do mention me when you feel free.

HardMirror:

Applause!
Beautiful write-up and a good read.

The only problem I have is how you hastily concluded God is Responsible for this precision.

I have always said, I believe in God as a Nomenclature for whatever originated matter, energy and time. So yeah, You have a right to claim God is responsible for these. Now the question is What is this God?

Splinz:

Hard mirror- the roller! Relax, man. I said we're just getting started.

SirWere:
. I see where you're leading to, but do go on; I'm gonna let you land


However, I have to adress your misconception here. You see, time has no solid definiton. Infact, it so befuddles classical physicists that they can not yet put an accurate defintion on the word time.

Your definiton of time here can be used interchangeably for rate; a way to put a definite mark on the season and the sun's rising and falling. The "rate" at which the earth rotates round its axis is called a "day" and revolves round the sun is called a "year". No doubt, if we lived in a solar system where we had 3 suns; our definiton of "time" and "day" will vary greatly.

Now, you have the misconception that "God" ( a personoid, deity, energy, the universe itself?) created "time". Well, I really, really, think you need to read up more on time and it's wonderful perplexities.


But no bother, do continue, the show is kickstarting.

HardMirror:

You made a lot of hasty conclusions, but I appreciate the fact that u took time to do a little research and I see the Time analogy leading us somewhere. There is a gapping hole there and the question is "what is responsible for the order and disorder in the multi-verses?
The second question which you can't do away with will be, "how did you know the force responsible for this order".

(I am sure you know quoting bible or any religious book does not count and I am sure you know why) let's make this intellectual and not bring our sentiments into it.

Let's roll

SirWere:
. I see where you're leading to, but do go on; I'm gonna let you land


However, I have to adress your misconception here. You see, time has no solid definiton. Infact, it so befuddles classical physicists that they can not yet put an accurate defintion on the word time.

Your definiton of time here can be used interchangeably for rate; a way to put a definite mark on the season and the sun's rising and falling. The "rate" at which the earth rotates round its axis is called a "day" and revolves round the sun is called a "year". No doubt, if we lived in a solar system where we had 3 suns; our definiton of "time" and "day" will vary greatly.

Now, you have the misconception that "God" ( a personoid, deity, energy, the universe itself?) created "time". Well, I really, really, think you need to read up more on time and it's wonderful perplexities.


But no bother, do continue, the show is kickstarting.

HardMirror:

Time is only exists because of the reletive position of matter from each other.

Take away matter and time cannot exist.
Take away energy and time does not exist.

I will keep this simple.

Imagine if only 2 tennis balls exists. These 2 balls are at a certain distance from each other.
If this balls remain absolutely static and there is nothing else in the whole existence except this 2 balls. With what shall we make reference to time?
But immediate these balls begin to move, direction does not matter, then time exists, because now we can measure how soon the balls will collide if they are moving towards each other or what distance they will cover in certain units of time.
For the balls to move, there must be energy. For energy to have effect, there must be matter, only then does time exist.

To understand creation we have to first unravel the origin of matter. This is why the Big Bang theory is very interesting. It makes sense that the big bang actually happened, but is it the origin of all matter and energy? Then comes the Big Crunch theory which also makes perfect sense. We will end up with an infinite loop of Crunches and Bangs which makes it impossible to know the actual origin of Matter.

HardMirror:

Time is only exists because of the reletive position of matter from each other.

Take away matter and time cannot exist.
Take away energy and time does not exist.

I will keep this simple.

Imagine if only 2 tennis balls exists. These 2 balls are at a certain distance from each other.
If this balls remain absolutely static and there is nothing else in the whole existence except this 2 balls. With what shall we make reference to time?
But immediate these balls begin to move, direction does not matter, then time exists, because now we can measure how soon the balls will collide if they are moving towards each other or what distance they will cover in certain units of time.
For the balls to move, there must be energy. For energy to have effect, there must be matter, only then does time exist.

To understand creation we have to first unravel the origin of matter. This is why the Big Bang theory is very interesting. It makes sense that the big bang actually happened, but is it the origin of all matter and energy? Then comes the Big Crunch theory which also makes perfect sense. We will end up with an infinite loop of Crunches and Bangs which makes it impossible to know the actual origin of Matter.

Splinz:
The Most Perfect Clock

You probably have a watch. Without it, you would be lost in a world that demands that people “be on time.”

Some watches are more accurate than others. How accurate is yours? How long before it loses a second? When this happens, you adjust it by reckoning from a more accurate source. That source, whatever it is, is also imperfect and has to be regularly updated, though not as often, to be in accord with the Master Clock of the United States at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

For many years, until 1967, Naval Observatory astronomers “observed” the motion of the earth, in relation to the heavens, to accurately measure time. All clocks in this country were set in relation to these very precise measurements. It was God who made this Master Clock of the Universe! He set the heavens in motion and mankind learned how to use its wonderful accuracy. As marvelous as this Great Clock is, the story does not end here.

In 1967, scientists built an “Atomic Clock.” It uses Cesium 133 atoms because they oscillate (vibrate) at the rate of 9,192,631,770 times per second. This produces accuracy within ONE SECOND EVERY 30 MILLION YEARS! Wouldn’t you love a watch that accurate? Cesium 133 atoms never vary a single vibration. They are steady—constant—reliable—and cannot be an accident of nature that just “happens” to always turn out exactly the same. God had to design the complexity and reliability of these atoms. No honest mind can believe otherwise. Men merely learned how to capture what God designed, for use in time measurement. Again, the story continues.

Doubters, consider this! Scientists in Boulder, Colorado, at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, have built an optical clock that is even more accurate. How? By measuring time with light. Time is now measured in what are called femtoseconds—or a million-billionth of a second. These clocks use mercury ions at their “heart” to count the number of times they vibrate in a second.
Optical frequencies regularly oscillate at one million-billion (1,000,000,000,000,000—one quadrillion) times per second. By using lasers and “cooled down” mercury ions, scientists have harnessed God’s precision to better measure time. Optical clocks only slip by ONE SECOND EVERY 30 BILLION YEARS! This is 1,000 times more accurate than atomic clocks!

All human watchmakers use extraordinary precision in their work. Quartz watches measure time by counting the exact number of oscillations of a quartz crystal through use of a digital counter. Digital clocks use the oscillations of quartz crystals or power lines (60 cycles per second in the United States), but may also count through use of digital counters. Grandfather clocks use the swing of a pendulum, once every second and recorded by metal gears inside the clock, to keep time.

As with the movement of the heavens, men have learned to capture the reliability of Cesium 133 atoms and the movement of cooled mercury ions to count time. Their number of oscillations per second never varies. Could this perfect order be the product of an accident?
In summary, only with great time and effort, the finest watchmakers in the world can, at best, devise several kinds of relatively imprecise clocks. Can any honest, fair-minded person then believe that the three highly precise clocks—the heavens, atomic and optical clocks—came about by accident? In other words, are we to believe that while very sophisticated, humanly devised watches required the effort and ingenuity of skilled, intelligent men to create them, clocks of far greater sophistication, precision and design developed on their own? How utterly ridiculous!

You have seen ABSOLUTE PROOF that only the “Greatest Watchmaker” could have devised these “greatest watches.”

Go nowhere! It is only getting started............. I'll be back with more shortly.

ValentineMary
SirWere
HardMirror
Decker
Urahata
Edybleketara
Weah96
JackBizzle
Sonoflucifer
Plaetton
Sarassin
Alfamann
Oluwaseytiano
Kaboninc
Dazzlingd
Lepasharon
Calliope
Santori
Purerealist
Simplex2
Deepsight
Thehomer
Ifenes
Juststardust
Immorttal
Muttleylaff
Gatiano
Holocron
Cloudgoddess, etc. Lets trash it out!

Splinz:
The First Law of Thermodynamics

What is the truth of modern science regarding the origin of all matter in the universe? Do scientists tell us that it has always existed? Or have they determined that there was a moment in time in which all matter came into existence? The answer to the second question is, yes! But what is the proof that this is true?

The FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS is stated as follows: Matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. There are no natural processes that can alter either matter or energy in this way. This means that there is no new matter or energy coming into existence and there is no new matter or energy passing out of existence. All who state that the universe came into existence from nothing violate the first law of thermodynamics, which was established by the very scientific community who now seem willing to ignore it. In summary, this law plainly demonstrates that the universe, and all matter and energy within it, must have had a divine origin—a specific moment in which it was created by someone who was all-powerful.

With the coming of the Atomic Age, beginning with the discovery of radium in 1898 by Madame Curie, came the knowledge that all radioactive elements continually give off radiation. Consider! Uranium has an atomic weight of 238.0. As it decomposes, it releases a helium atom three times. Each helium atom has a weight of 4. With the new weight of 226.0, uranium becomes radium. Radium continues to give off additional atoms until eventually the end product becomes the heavy inert element called lead. This takes a tremendous amount of time. While the process of uranium turning into radium is very long, the radium turns into lead in 1,590 years.

What are we saying? There was a point in time when the uranium could not have existed, because it always breaks down in a highly systematic, controlled way. It is not stable like lead or other elements. It breaks down. This means there was a specific moment in time when all radioactive elements came into existence. Remember, all of them—uranium, radium, thorium, radon, polonium, francium, protactinium and others—have not existed forever. This represents absolute proof that matter came into existence or, in other words, matter has not always existed!

This flies directly in the face of evolutionary thought—that everything gradually evolved into something else. Here is the problem. You cannot have something slowly come into existence from nothing! Matter could not have come into existence by itself. No rational person could believe that the entire universe—including all of the radioactive elements that prove there was a specific time of beginning—gradually came into existence BY ITSELF!

Through your own efforts, try to build something—anything—from nothing. Even with your creative power engaged in the effort, you would never be able to do it. You will not be able—in a hundred lifetimes of trying—to produce a single thing from NOTHING! Then, can any doubter believe that everything in the entirety of the universe, in all of its exquisite detail, came into existence completely by itself? Be honest. Accept facts. This is proof that the existing natural realm demands the existence of a Great Creator!

Alright guys, lets see what you have to say. Again, it is only starting.......... Go nowhere! Meanwhile, where are the rest of the people naa

ValentineMary:
I ain't gonna argue evolution on NL again. I don do that wan tire. If u no sabi evolution, go buy text book

ValentineMary:

Okay following the theory of quantum fluctuation, we can get matter out of nothing following Heseinberg uncertainty principle. Dude be current in ur science. Or rather tell ur mentor to be.

Splinz:

Aint you forgetting something? Here, it is no longer "theory" but FACTS/PROOFS! Have you created Matter out of nothing yet?

csamii:
If God truly exist, I don't know but what I do know is that both the bible and science haven't been able to convince folks like me about the origin of man. Charles Darwin evolution theory is just bullsh!t. I'm sure even Darwin himself had doubted his theory before he died.
Now the bible. The bible tells us that man originated from the garden of Eden. Adam the first man and Eve the first woman. If I should agree with this, how did other race come in existence? I mean was Adam white, black, brown or Asian?
I just don't know what to believe.

Splinz:

Aint you forgetting something? Here, it is no longer "theory" but FACTS/PROOFS! Have you created Matter out of nothing yet?

Splinz:

Don't forget why we're here is to PROVE the existence of God- One who created all things. And that is exactly what we're doing.

As was stated earlier, don't assume anything, don't just accept it by faith or theory. We'll only stand on FACTS AND PROOFS! So I urge everyone not to reach conclusions yet, for this is just the beginning.

ValentineMary:
Time is not as real as we perceive it to be. At least time dilation and twin paradox tells us that. No wonder Einstein said "There is nothing constant, not even time. Only speed of light.

Splinz:

Don't forget why we're here is to PROVE the existence of God- One who created all things. And that is exactly what we're doing.
As was stated earlier, don't assume anything, don't just accept it by faith or theory. We'll only stand on FACTS AND PROOFS! So I urge everyone not to reach conclusions yet, for this is just the beginning.