Ukutsgp:
those practicing tithing at this time needs to check the scriptures.

Truth is, some people will NEVER agree with the abolishment of tithing; they are more willing to continue paying than take some time and discipline to study it for themselves. It's human nature! Very few people have the temerity to question the validity of teachings held sacrosanct for centuries. It's human nature.

I have tried to educate some people, and I was shocked to see people are willing to defend ordinances that can't the litmus test of the Scriptures.

I'm still digging deep into a lot of issues I have held so dear to myself. This is the era when everybody MUST study God's Word for themselves.

I used to feel guilty whenever I skipped paying my tithe; not any more.

I started studying the tithe issue when I discovered none of the Apostles sanctioned it in their epistles.

Ukutsgp:
Churches that:
1. Pay tithes

2. Pay firstfruits

3. Keep the sabaath.

4. Forbids ladies from wearing trousers(decent ones)

5. Still offer animal sacrifices.(white garment churches)

6. Do penance and confess sins to human priest.(catholic)

7. Keep the feast of passovers and all kinds of feast.


pls, we are under grace and not under the law of moses. We are under the new covenant and not under the old. Christians who follow the laws of moses have fallen from grace. Take note of this.

normaly,i dont like to go into this type of discussion because everyone has his or her own interpretation of the bible, i will just make it clear to you that the law stand and it is only a righteous judge that can judge me, the bible make it clear that our God is a righteous judge.
Take forinstance the adulterous woman,the teachers of the law bring the woman to jesus for judgment,meaning jesus is the righteous judge,when jesus say"he that is without sin shuld cast the first stone" it mean the law stand and only a righteous judge are to judge, which is God, " as her acusser left one by one until it remain jesus and the woman"it mean jesus take full control of the law,he has the option to condemn the woman but instead he gave her a second chance which is grace. jesus say "go and sin no more" mean he gave her the grace to repent, if she genuely ask for mercy.so the LAW STAND. Thank you.

dein77:


Truth is, some people will NEVER agree with the abolishment of tithing; they are more willing to continue paying than take some time and discipline to study it for themselves. It's human nature! Very few people have the temerity to question the validity of teachings held sacrosanct for centuries. It's human nature.

I have tried to educate some people, and I was shocked to see people are willing to defend ordinances that can't the litmus test of the Scriptures.

I'm still digging deep into a lot of issues I have held so dear to myself. This is the era when everybody MUST study God's Word for themselves.

I used to feel guilty whenever I skipped paying my tithe; not any more.

I started studying the tithe issue when I discovered none of the Apostles sanctioned it in their epistles.

u have spoken well.

malvisguy212:
normaly,i dont like to go into this type of discussion because everyone has his or her own interpretation of the bible, i will just make it clear to you that the law stand and it is only a righteous judge that can judge me, the bible make it clear that our God is a righteous judge.
Take forinstance the adulterous woman,the teachers of the law bring the woman to jesus for judgment,meaning jesus is the righteous judge,when jesus say"he that is without sin shuld cast the first stone" it mean the law stand and only a righteous judge are to judge, which is God, " as her acusser left one by one until it remain jesus and the woman"it mean jesus take full control of the law,he has the option to condemn the woman but instead he gave her a second chance which is grace. jesus say "go and sin no more" mean he gave her the grace to repent, if she genuely ask for mercy.so the LAW STAND. Thank you.

if the law stands, are u following it? Are u doing what the law says?

Ukutsgp:
if the law stands, are u following it? Are u doing what the law says?

i live by the divine law of God.

Divine law is any law that comes directly from the will of God, in contrast to man-made law. Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who
cannot change it. However it may be revealed or not, so it may change
in human perception in time through new revelation. Divine law is commonly equated with eternal law, meaning that if God is infinite, then his law must also be infinite and eternal.
Remember this,it is not the will of God for mankined to parish,the natural law condemn man(sinner) but the divine law of God gives man the grace to repent in christ jesus. Thank you.

malvisguy212:
i live by the divine law of God.

Divine law is any law that comes directly from the will of God, in contrast to man-made law. Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who
cannot change it. However it may be revealed or not, so it may change
in human perception in time through new revelation. Divine law is commonly equated with eternal law, meaning that if God is infinite, then his law must also be infinite and eternal.
Remember this,it is not the will of God for mankined to parish,the natural law condemn man(sinner) but the divine law of God gives man the grace to repent in christ jesus. Thank you.

do u know that u are not even keeping 10% of the mosaic law? u nid to understand that the law is no more functional anymore. it is grace and grace only.

Ukutsgp:
do u know that u are not even keeping 10% of the mosaic law? u nid to understand that the law is no more functional anymore. it is grace and grace only.

it seem's that you take pride in agueing about the bible, i came to nairaland to preach the gospel. Thank you for your time.

Boomark:


Yes it is. So is the Sabbath.

Why do you say the Sabbath is the law of Moses. Could u point out scriptural evidence to support your claim?

Ukutsgp:
what i'm telling u is that the sabaath commandment doesn't hold after the resurrection of christ.

I am not presently contending if the Sabbath holds water or not. My confusion is who did the Sabbath originate from. Who gave the commandment to keep the Sabbath, God or Moses.

malvisguy212:
it seem's that you take pride in agueing about the bible, i came to nairaland to preach the gospel. Thank you for your time.

why do u say the law stands when u know that we are not under the law but under grace? pls, try to be preaching the truth.

olire:
I am not presently contending if the Sabbath holds water or not. My confusion is who did the Sabbath originate from. Who gave the commandment to keep the Sabbath, God or Moses.

God through Moses.

Ukutsgp:
why do u say the law stands when u know that we are not under the law but under grace? pls, try to be preaching the truth.

how do you defined grace? What lead to grace? Is it not when you break the law that is were grace comes in? Can a sinless man need the grace?

ukutsgp.dont get me wrong, i undderstand you very well,but still the law stand,the muslims live by the natural law of man which enable a sinner to judge a sinner. But we the christians live by the divine law of God where we are giving the grace of God through christ jesus.

malvisguy212:
how do you defined grace? What lead to grace? Is it not when you break the law that is were grace comes in? Can a sinless man need the grace?

what i'm saying is that grace has nothing to do with keeping the mosaic law which has been fulfilled in christ. we dnt have to break the law before grace comes in because we are not observing the law again. grace is always there.

Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

malvisguy212:
ukutsgp.dont get me wrong, i undderstand you very well,but still the law stand,the muslims live by the natural law of man which enable a sinner to judge a sinner. But we the christians live by the divine law of God where we are giving the grace of God through christ jesus.

what are the divine laws u are talking about? let's get it simple. u could mention them.

Ukutsgp:
what i'm saying is that grace has nothing to do with keeping the mosaic law which has been fulfilled in christ. we dnt have to break the law before grace comes in because we are not observing the law again. grace is always there.

Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

for by grace you have been saved,saved from what?is it not sin? When you sin,is not because you break the law?

Ukutsgp:
what are the divine laws u are talking about? let's get it simple. u could mention them.

you are making a very very big mistake,without the law,how can you reavel sin?According to Scripture the PRIMARY PURPOSE of the law of God is to “reveal sin” and to “convince us that we are sinners” in need of a Savior (Rom 5:20; 7:7-11; Gal 3:19, 24), , love your neigbour as your self and worship God with all your heart,THIS ARE THE LAW JESUS STATE.

Ukutsgp,

John 2:21-23 (NKJV)

21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”

22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Jesus himself instituted the sacrament of Reconcilliaion in the above verse. No?


Rom 3:31 (NKJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

What law is St Paul talking about in the above quote?

Yeh, I agree with you, I have spoken the truth to many of our fellow Christians, and still they argue the point, I say what point? The truth is right in front of them, all they need to do is open the bible.

dein77:


Truth is, some people will NEVER agree with the abolishment of tithing; they are more willing to continue paying than take some time and discipline to study it for themselves. It's human nature! Very few people have the temerity to question the validity of teachings held sacrosanct for centuries. It's human nature.

I have tried to educate some people, and I was shocked to see people are willing to defend ordinances that can't the litmus test of the Scriptures.

I'm still digging deep into a lot of issues I have held so dear to myself. This is the era when everybody MUST study God's Word for themselves.

I used to feel guilty whenever I skipped paying my tithe; not any more.

I started studying the tithe issue when I discovered none of the Apostles sanctioned it in their epistles.

Ukutsgp:
God through Moses.

So... U are saying that it originated from God?

olire:
So... U are saying that it originated from God?

God gave it through moses just like many other laws then to the nation of israel.

jnrbayano:
Ukutsgp,

John 2:21-23 (NKJV)

21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”

22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Jesus himself instituted the sacrament of Reconcilliaion in the above verse. No?


Rom 3:31 (NKJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

What law is St Paul talking about in the above quote?

i don't know the law paul is talking about? is it the mosaic law? tell me.

malvisguy212:
you are making a very very big mistake,without the law,how can you reavel sin?According to Scripture the PRIMARY PURPOSE of the law of God is to “reveal sin” and to “convince us that we are sinners” in need of a Savior (Rom 5:20; 7:7-11; Gal 3:19, 24), , love your neigbour as your self and worship God with all your heart,THIS ARE THE LAW JESUS STATE.

the law is sum up in one word in the new testament 'LOVE' but i am talking about the mosaic laws which have been abolished in christ.

Galatians 3:10-14.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree” 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:19-26

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ukutsgp:
i don't know the law paul is talking about? is it the mosaic law? tell me.

Don't tell me you didn't see both questions above. Please clear those queries.

jnrbayano:


Don't tell me you didn't see both questions above. Please clear those queries.

i dnt know what u meant by sacrament. i did nt see anything like sacrament in that scripture and u can point out the law paul was talking about since i dnt know .

Ukutsgp:
the law is sum up in one word in the new testament 'LOVE' but i am talking about the mosaic laws which have been abolished in christ.

that is why i say you dont have to abolish the law completly,the first five of the mosaic law is about worship and love God and the other five is about loving your neigbour as your self.if you sum it all is LOVE.



the Mosaic Law was to accomplish the following: (1) Reveal the holy character of the eternal God to the nation of Israel (Leviticus 19:2; 20:7–. (2) Set apart the nation of Israel as distinct from all the other nations (Exodus 19:5). (3) Reveal the sinfulness of man (cf. Galatians 3:19). Although the Law was good and holy (Romans 7:12), it did not provide salvation for the nation of Israel. “No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin” (Romans 3:20; cf. Acts 13:38–39). (4) Provide forgiveness through the sacrifice/offerings (Leviticus 1—7) for the people who had faith in the Lord in the nation of Israel. (5) Provide a way of worship for the community of faith through the yearly feasts (Leviticus 23). (6) Provide God’s direction for the physical and spiritual health of the nation (Exodus 21—23; Deuteronomy 6:4–19; Psalm 119:97–104). (7) Cause people, after Christ came, to see that they couldn’t keep the Law but needed to accept Christ as personal Savior, for He had fulfilled the Law in His life and paid the penalty for our breaking it in His death, burial, and bodily resurrection (Galatians 3:24; Romans 10:4). The believer in Christ has the very righteousness of the Law fulfilled in him as he obeys the Holy Spirit who lives within him ( Romans 8:4). The purpose of the Mosaic Law raises these questions: “Are you trusting in yourself to keep all the Ten Commandments all the time (which you can’t do)?” OR “Have you made the choice to accept Jesus as your Savior, realizing that He has fulfilled all the commandments all the time for you, even paying your penalty for breaking them?” The choice is yours.

Ukutsgp:
God gave it through moses just like many other laws then to the nation of israel.

Do you agree with me that it is only the ten Commandments that God wrote with his own hands?

@malvisguy212
but how do u see churches doing the things i listed in my first post?

olire:
Do you agree with me that it is only the ten Commandments that God wrote with his own hands?

God spoke and moses wrote. Exodus 34:27-28.

olire:
Do you agree with me that it is only the ten Commandments that God wrote with his own hands?

moses wrote it.