Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 10:34pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
makkitush: hahahahahahahaha. I'm shocked, missberrypop5 is giving us the trophy. This calls for a celebration. As for manure, u guys will not see 5th this season.:-P shellshit too deh shiu! I'll wound you o |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 10:36pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
cristweeezy: lol. Fenks. Cn u do me a favour?
Which is? |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by M4gunners: 10:44pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
maestroferddi: Na wa for you o!
How can you attribute the loss to Swansea to anything besides tactical inanity?
Whose call was it to make substitutions and reorganise the formation to protect the lead and score more? How many times would Arsenal come unstuck just because Wenger chooses to be tardy in applying common sense? For ur mind o,old finish Drogba who play only 3mints added time or Remy mr bench u are calling quality striker? Walcot just come back from injury, needs time b4 introducing him on time or even starting he.I continue to blame the players. You had all the time to introduce Walcott so as to stretch the opposition defence and restrict them to their core job description but what did you do? A reactive dilly-dallied and was caught napping.
Garry Monk outcoached Wenger fair and square. He pulled out Emnes (MF) and Taylor and
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Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by makkitush: 10:46pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: What is paining me. That you guys are on top the table. Every season, there are four titles to compete for.
So we are still in three. So what is pain?
What you should note is that, it is not yet over. There are still 27 games left.
Last season, by march, you guys were on top the table. We were second, Liverpool were third. The season ended with Man City first, Liverpool second and Chelsea third. ok, we will see abt that cos talk is cheap. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by 1025: 10:51pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
abfan: Dear Arsene, I find myself writing this letter not out of anger but out of frustration. As a fan (not customer, fan) of the Arsenal I find it hard to get angry with the team’s performances these days because to be frank, nothing surprises me anymore. I have seen it all before. Arsenal are, to some extent, masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. So why am I writing this? As I have touched upon above, it is a letter borne out of frustration. Frustration that the club, run by you Mr Wenger is in a never ending cycle of mediocrity when things can be so much better given the resources at our disposal. If you love Arsenal as much as you say you do, please do the best for the club and accept you have taken it as far as you can, resign and allow another manager to take the club forward. You can enjoy your legacy of revolutionising English Football and enjoy the fact you had a hugely successful first 10 years at Arsenal. No doubt you will read this and think “what does he know? he hasn’t worked 2 minutes in football or won the FA cup” and you are quite right, I haven’t. That doesn’t make my opinion any less valid, nor does it prevent me from having one. I am a pragmatist, to me, to flourish is to adapt, to be questioned, to be challenged and in top level sport, to win. Since you have managed the club your style and philosophy hasn’t changed, hasn’t evolved but English Football has. Failure to adapt is costing us dear. Failure to address obvious weaknesses within the squad, the failure to bring in adequate or superior replacements for those players departing. Failure to address the lack of discipline in the team, not from a fouling perspective but from a tactical one, 3-2 up at home and we have 5 players in an advanced position against a team who by your own admission are excellent on the counter attack. It isn’t just this week’s capitulation against Anderlecht that prompts this letter it is a culmination of events throughout your tenure. The team do not learn lessons; the defence still make elementary mistakes. Blaming the players is the easy option but was the back four the same as last night when we conceded 4 against Newcastle at St James Park, 8 against Manchester United, 6 against Manchester City, 4 against Tottenham at home in 2008. No they weren’t, was the manager the same. Yes. That isn’t bad luck; it’s a trend, one you haven’t addressed over the years. There is no doubt you are stubborn, can that work to one’s advantage? Absolutely but it can also be detrimental if left unchecked, unfortunately it seems the latter is true. So you won’t resign, what is next? How do we change things? How can we ensure mistakes are not repeated? May I suggest the following? * If Steve Bould isn’t coaching the defence, let him, if he is then perhaps it’s time to delegate that away from him or bring in some ex- players who know a thing or two about defending, Messer’s Keown & Adams would be a good starting point. * Address the team’s obvious defensive weaknesses, accept the Wenger way may not be what’s best for Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC and purchase accordingly. There is a good reason the saying “you get what you pay for” exists and in most cases, rings true. There are some excellent defenders in the Premiership who would love to represent such a prestigious club like the Arsenal. Winston Reid was a good example. * Bring in a tactician who can be a pragmatist as an assistant manager, someone who can offer a different opinion, challenge you and can set up a team according to the opponent. That’s not to say attacking football to which we are known for is compromised, it’s a pragmatic approach to ensure a good solid defensive foundation is built enabling the attacking players to express themselves. * Bring in an external party to evaluate the training methods & playing surfaces in order to better understand why so many of the players suffer muscular injuries. Shad Forsythe is an excellent addition; let’s focus on prevention rather than cure / rehabilitation. * Play players in their natural position, this sounds simple and it is, a number 10 (Ozil) is played as a number 10, not as a winger players who aren’t performing are taken out of the limelight to regain form (Ramsey) and players who are in form are played regularly not because they are a favourite of the manager. (Sanogo over Joel Campbell / Lukas Podolski) Now that may not be the case, but looking from the outside in, that’s the impression we get. * Make substitutions based on the needs of the game. If a player isn’t performing, be a manager, break your loyalty to that player and take him off at half time rather than the 70th minute. Be pragmatic, again, using Anderlecht as an example, if we are 3-2 up, don’t bring on attacking players, get on the touch line, organise 2 banks of 4 and if you absolutely have to have an attacking player on, use Walcott to hit them on the break and / or run into the channels to hold the ball up and keep possession. * Have a plan and listen to counsel – Identify the teams weaknesses, identify replacements and start doing the ground work as much as you can (within the rules of course) before the transfer window opens. Pay the asking price, using the Arsenal brand to sell to the player, get the deal done, the player settled well in time for pre- season as Manchester City & Chelsea have done in the past to their benefit. As a manager it is your job to identify the players you and your coaching staff think we need, not to negotiate fee’s or argue on what you think a player is worth. That is for the Chief Executive and Finance Director to worry about. I have decided not to mention the issues at board level, I wanted this letter to focus on what can be changed on the field and training pitches. This is not a personal attack; it is to raise concerns, to point out flaws, offer constructive solutions. It may not always seem obvious but the fans criticise because they care. We like you Arsene, love Arsenal FC. Let’s either see a change of manager or a change in approach. Being challenged and admitting mistakes isn’t a weakness it’s a sign you are prepared to change, prepared to evolve and hopefully be as successful as you were in the first 10 years as manager of this great club. oga, am sorry i was unable to continue with ur poem because of my time. i understand u are pained. is not by force to be an arsenal fan. players coaches do change clubs. my dear, pls change ur club if u no see wetin u find come there. 2 Likes |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by makkitush: 10:52pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
missberrypop5: shellshit too deh shiu! I'll wound you o ok no vex my dear. I'll not disturb u,for now ooo.:-D. But just bear it in mind that'll be waiting for u in the assnal manure thread.:-D see u then dearie nd wishing u a fablous break.;-) |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by keandre: 11:21pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
Samunique: This arsenal jersey heh! I no know whether clothes don finish for market? Horribly tight!!!! Make them look like................... hmm their jersey tight pass their defense |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 11:31pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
macjireh:
Mourinho still remains d best Coach in Epl as it stands, give him dat same Mcity team and he will do wonders, even d current Chelsea are not as strong as Citey Shut up there. Why didn't he win trophies for two straight years despite having good squads? 1 Like |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Samunique(m): 11:32pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
keandre:
their jersey tight pass their defense Very true. 1 Like |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by cristweeezy(m): 11:44pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
missberrypop5: Which is? cn u gv me ur email? Or to make it private,can u mail me? Wanna av friends lyk u. Lol |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Strydermanz(m): 12:25am On Nov 10, 2014 |
am jus pas by!!!!!!hahahahah lmao |
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Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 5:40am On Nov 10, 2014 |
They are always losing |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by olayinkaj2(m): 5:58am On Nov 10, 2014 |
Arsenal can't just seems not to disappoint. The match you expect them to win, they lose and the one you expect them to lose, they win. losing points at this stage will count come may. Instead for us to be battling to win the league, it will now be battle to survive forth position. Forget the fact that swansea defeated man u in the opening season, they are still not a top four material. I see only chelsea grinding out result whether by hook or by crook. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by PLEXPLEX(m): 6:19am On Nov 10, 2014 |
....And them wan catch CHELSEA... |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by macjireh: 6:41am On Nov 10, 2014 |
ollah1:
Shut up there. Why didn't he win trophies for two straight years despite having good squads? whoz talking about d past here, i mean Presently or u have a problem with comprehension 2 Likes |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 6:43am On Nov 10, 2014 |
Wenger kêèp$ vindicating the Special One. #S.I.F |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by onyeomaonyeoma(m): 6:53am On Nov 10, 2014 |
abfan: Dear Arsene, I find myself writing this letter not out of anger but out of frustration. As a fan (not customer, fan) of the Arsenal I find it hard to get angry with the team’s performances these days because to be frank, nothing surprises me anymore. I have seen it all before. Arsenal are, to some extent, masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. So why am I writing this? As I have touched upon above, it is a letter borne out of frustration. Frustration that the club, run by you Mr Wenger is in a never ending cycle of mediocrity when things can be so much better given the resources at our disposal. If you love Arsenal as much as you say you do, please do the best for the club and accept you have taken it as far as you can, resign and allow another manager to take the club forward. You can enjoy your legacy of revolutionising English Football and enjoy the fact you had a hugely successful first 10 years at Arsenal. No doubt you will read this and think “what does he know? he hasn’t worked 2 minutes in football or won the FA cup” and you are quite right, I haven’t. That doesn’t make my opinion any less valid, nor does it prevent me from having one. I am a pragmatist, to me, to flourish is to adapt, to be questioned, to be challenged and in top level sport, to win. Since you have managed the club your style and philosophy hasn’t changed, hasn’t evolved but English Football has. Failure to adapt is costing us dear. Failure to address obvious weaknesses within the squad, the failure to bring in adequate or superior replacements for those players departing. Failure to address the lack of discipline in the team, not from a fouling perspective but from a tactical one, 3-2 up at home and we have 5 players in an advanced position against a team who by your own admission are excellent on the counter attack. It isn’t just this week’s capitulation against Anderlecht that prompts this letter it is a culmination of events throughout your tenure. The team do not learn lessons; the defence still make elementary mistakes. Blaming the players is the easy option but was the back four the same as last night when we conceded 4 against Newcastle at St James Park, 8 against Manchester United, 6 against Manchester City, 4 against Tottenham at home in 2008. No they weren’t, was the manager the same. Yes. That isn’t bad luck; it’s a trend, one you haven’t addressed over the years. There is no doubt you are stubborn, can that work to one’s advantage? Absolutely but it can also be detrimental if left unchecked, unfortunately it seems the latter is true. So you won’t resign, what is next? How do we change things? How can we ensure mistakes are not repeated? May I suggest the following? * If Steve Bould isn’t coaching the defence, let him, if he is then perhaps it’s time to delegate that away from him or bring in some ex- players who know a thing or two about defending, Messer’s Keown & Adams would be a good starting point. * Address the team’s obvious defensive weaknesses, accept the Wenger way may not be what’s best for Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC and purchase accordingly. There is a good reason the saying “you get what you pay for” exists and in most cases, rings true. There are some excellent defenders in the Premiership who would love to represent such a prestigious club like the Arsenal. Winston Reid was a good example. * Bring in a tactician who can be a pragmatist as an assistant manager, someone who can offer a different opinion, challenge you and can set up a team according to the opponent. That’s not to say attacking football to which we are known for is compromised, it’s a pragmatic approach to ensure a good solid defensive foundation is built enabling the attacking players to express themselves. * Bring in an external party to evaluate the training methods & playing surfaces in order to better understand why so many of the players suffer muscular injuries. Shad Forsythe is an excellent addition; let’s focus on prevention rather than cure / rehabilitation. * Play players in their natural position, this sounds simple and it is, a number 10 (Ozil) is played as a number 10, not as a winger players who aren’t performing are taken out of the limelight to regain form (Ramsey) and players who are in form are played regularly not because they are a favourite of the manager. (Sanogo over Joel Campbell / Lukas Podolski) Now that may not be the case, but looking from the outside in, that’s the impression we get. * Make substitutions based on the needs of the game. If a player isn’t performing, be a manager, break your loyalty to that player and take him off at half time rather than the 70th minute. Be pragmatic, again, using Anderlecht as an example, if we are 3-2 up, don’t bring on attacking players, get on the touch line, organise 2 banks of 4 and if you absolutely have to have an attacking player on, use Walcott to hit them on the break and / or run into the channels to hold the ball up and keep possession. * Have a plan and listen to counsel – Identify the teams weaknesses, identify replacements and start doing the ground work as much as you can (within the rules of course) before the transfer window opens. Pay the asking price, using the Arsenal brand to sell to the player, get the deal done, the player settled well in time for pre- season as Manchester City & Chelsea have done in the past to their benefit. As a manager it is your job to identify the players you and your coaching staff think we need, not to negotiate fee’s or argue on what you think a player is worth. That is for the Chief Executive and Finance Director to worry about. I have decided not to mention the issues at board level, I wanted this letter to focus on what can be changed on the field and training pitches. This is not a personal attack; it is to raise concerns, to point out flaws, offer constructive solutions. It may not always seem obvious but the fans criticise because they care. We like you Arsene, love Arsenal FC. Let’s either see a change of manager or a change in approach. Being challenged and admitting mistakes isn’t a weakness it’s a sign you are prepared to change, prepared to evolve and hopefully be as successful as you were in the first 10 years as manager of this great club. CHAII see lamentation......bros sorry ooo but to support arsenal no b by force na. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Ologunjude(m): 9:49am On Nov 10, 2014 |
Sold vermalen to barca. He needed to replace him no he won't. Thought he should have even taken Alex Song on loan, no he won't. Fabrigas wanted to come back, no I don't want him cos I have Ozil, play Ozil in his preferred position, no he wouldn't. You needed goals to at least leave there with a draw, whom do you bring in, inexperienced Sanogo. Leaving better strikers out. He has lost it completely Mr. Wenger. Just go cos I believe age has caught up with him. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by hotwax: 10:54am On Nov 10, 2014 |
Chelsea should go for Montero. He is a good replacement for Hazard.
Or is Chamber too poor.
Montero suddenly look like hazard |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by hotwax: 10:56am On Nov 10, 2014 |
ollah1:
Shut up there. Why didn't he win trophies for two straight years despite having good squads? He is in second year. Where is the 2 years coming from ? 1 Like |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by hotwax: 11:07am On Nov 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: Southampton is going to get better. Remember they are a new team after losing a lot of players under a new management. They will gel and play better with time. They are a threat for the title.
Coach Ronald Koeman has done well so far. Southampton is the only team that can challenge chelsea. Arsenal, CIty, Manu are loosers already |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 11:20am On Nov 10, 2014 |
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Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 12:32pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
hotwax:
Southampton is the only team that can challenge chelsea.
Arsenal, CIty, Manu are loosers already Time will decide. Not mouth. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 1:24pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
makkitush: hahahahahahahaha. I'm shocked, missberrypop5 is giving us the trophy. This calls for a celebration. As for manure, u guys will not see 5th this season.:-P come on we wont be 5th cause we would be at 3rd and above |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 1:47pm On Nov 10, 2014 |
hotwax:
He is in second year. Where is the 2 years coming from ? Hmm so fast. What did he win in his last year at Madrid? |
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Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by 1025: 12:48pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
ollah1:
Hmm so fast. What did he win in his last year at Madrid? oga, why are u fighting mourinho? is he the swansea coach that won u abi na swansea fans dey here? pls channel ur anger to wenger for betraying ur trust. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 1:06pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
1025:
oga, why are u fighting mourinho? is he the swansea coach that won u abi na swansea fans dey here? pls channel ur anger to wenger for betraying ur trust. Ignorance is a disease. It's now a fight for saying the truth? Typical shit fans. Why did you conclude am an arsenal fan? |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by 1025: 2:13pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
ollah1:
Ignorance is a disease. It's now a fight for saying the truth? Typical shit fans. Why did you conclude am an arsenal fan? if going two seasons without a trophy makes Mourinho not better than wenger, what happens to a wenger that could go trophy-less for 8 straight seasons? u see how easy it is for u to call me ignorant? well, it doesn't take a prophet to know an arsenal fan especially when they make comments. Mourinho is still the best if u like insult the whole world. facts and figures are there to speak for him. what is the difference between what u have done in insulting me now and what ur coach(wenger) did when Mourinho won him 2-0? u ppl like pushing others looking for who will kill u and go in for murder case. |
Re: Swansea Vs Arsenal (2 - 1) ON 9th November 2014 by Nobody: 4:46pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
1025:
if going two seasons without a trophy makes Mourinho not better than wenger, what happens to a wenger that could go trophy-less for 8 straight seasons? u see how easy it is for u to call me ignorant? well, it doesn't take a prophet to know an arsenal fan especially when they make comments. Mourinho is still the best if u like insult the whole world. facts and figures are there to speak for him.
what is the difference between what u have done in insulting me now and what ur coach(wenger) did when Mourinho won him 2-0? u ppl like pushing others looking for who will kill u and go in for murder case. Funny how some people make conclusions. It's now an argument Btw Mourinho and Wenger? Go and re read what initiated these convo? When was be awarded the best Coach? Well he the best ur club ever produced so it's understandable. |