Are Edo peeps the same as Yorubas? Or are they the same as Urhobo, Itsekiri, etc.

None... One of the many minority tribes in nigeria. Just share a common boundary with many other ethnic groups around d country

PAGAN 9JA:
Are Edo peeps the same as Yorubas? Or are they the same as Urhobo, Itsekiri, etc.

Edos are closer to Urhobos and Itsekiris are closer to Yoruba...

Personally, Urhobo and Edos are the same people to me...

They are not yorubas.

They used to be the same state with urhobos, itsekiris, etc.

Itsekiris are also closer to edo but they speak a yoruboid dialect.

ah i see now I get it. Thank you very much, the 3 of you, for clearing my confusion.

Urhobos and edos have the same ancestry... closer.....especially the benin and esan speaking part of edos...the Auchis i dont think have d same origin..with urhobos....

PAGAN 9JA:
ah i see now I get it. Thank you very much, the 3 of you, for clearing my confusion.

Itsekiris are most Ijebus, they belong to our commonwealth...

shymexx:

Itsekiris are most Ijebus, they belong to our commonwealth...

Linguistically yes, culturally no.

itsekiris, Igalas, are languages with yorubaiod character that means they are close to youruba in language....but culturally itsekiri is with their urohobo and isoko clan and igalas are also close to idomas culturally...and igbos a bit....also culturally.. and in diety....so that mean we are all one in Africa

valena_23:

Linguistically yes, culturally no.

How do you mean??

I was messing about when I posted the comment... However, I'll like to know how they're cultural different when "olokun"(an Ijebu/Yoruba deity) is also an Itsekiri deity... Can you explain further, sis.. Cheers...

shymexx:

How do you mean??

I was messing about when I posted the comment... However, I'll like to know how they're cultural different when "olokun"(an Ijebu/Yoruba deity) is also an Itsekiri deity... Can you explain further, sis.. Cheers...

Yh I clocked you were joking lol . The Yoruba have had significant influences on the culture and the traditions of the Itsekiri especially the ijebu as you rightly said, but they have also been significantly influenced by other groups such as the Urhobo, Igala, Edo and Ijaw. They've all left a mark on the Itsekiri but due to the proximity of the Urhobos to the Itsekiris for centuries and their many inter-tribal marriages, I would say they're more culturally linked to the Urhobos.
As for the olukun deity worship you mentioned, it's probably just one of the lesser influences the Yoruba had on them since it's not full Ifa worship.

valena_23:
Yh I clocked you were joking lol . The Yoruba have had significant influences on the culture and the traditions of the Itsekiri especially the ijebu as you rightly said, but they have also been significantly influenced by other groups such as the Urhobo, Igala, Edo and Ijaw. They've all left a mark on the Itsekiri but due to the proximity of the Urhobos to the Itsekiris for centuries and their many inter-tribal marriages, I would say they're more culturally linked to the Urhobos.
As for the olukun deity worship you mentioned, it's probably just one of the lesser influences the Yoruba had on them since it's not full Ifa worship.

Interesting post, Valena... Anyway, are you Itsekiri?? I read somewhere that some Itsekiri families still maintain their Ijebu lineage family lineage, how true is that And what's the Itsekiri religion(s)

Also, since they have culturally been assimilated by these other ethnic groups that are in close proximity to them, why's there so much inter-tribals among them? - Itsekiri vs. Urhobo and Itsekiri vs. Ijaw?? And also the struggle for the ownership of Warri... I know they don't really have problems with Edo people and their royal crown is an Edo crown... Perhaps, Itsekiris should be carved out of Delta and added to Edo state - what do you think??

Anyway, Itsekiri is now a distinct ethnic group and they should be respected... Oritsebunmi...

shymexx:

Interesting post, Valena... Anyway, are you Itsekiri?? I read somewhere that some Itsekiri families still maintain their Ijebu lineage family lineage, how true is that And what's the Itsekiri religion(s)

Also, since they have culturally been assimilated by these other ethnic groups that are in close proximity to them, why's there so much inter-tribals among them? - Itsekiri vs. Urhobo and Itsekiri vs. Ijaw?? And also the struggle for the ownership of Warri... I know they don't really have problems with Edo people and their royal crown is an Edo crown... Perhaps, Itsekiris should be carved out of Delta and added to Edo state - what do you think??

Anyway, Itsekiri is now a distinct ethnic group and they should be respected... Oritsebunmi...

This might be quite controversial but I read somewhere that the scramble for Warri has something to do with Obafemi Awolowo. Though both groups claim to have founded Warri (Itsekiri and Urhobo), the Olu of Itsekiri didn't move in there until the 1950s, when Awolowo established an Itsekiri communal land trust over Warri and changed the Olu's title from the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri, much to the displeasure of the Urhobos. They challenged this in court and apparently have been arguing about it till this day. I can't remember where I read this but I'm gonna try find it again....

As for the Itsekiris being added to Edo state I personally don't think that's a good idea as it might probably cause ethnic tensions. I'm going to keep my opinion on this limited before I start getting attacked by the political and cultural Nazis on this forum lol.

Itsekiris who still keep their Ijebu lineage? Interesting. Never heard of that...enlighten me and no I'm not Itsekiri...I'm actually Yoruba but have a very strong interest in west African history

valena_23:
This might be quite controversial but I read somewhere that the scramble for Warri has something to do with Obafemi Awolowo. Though both groups claim to have founded Warri (Itsekiri and Urhobo), the Olu of Itsekiri didn't move in there until the 1950s, when Awolowo established an Itsekiri communal land trust over Warri and changed the Olu's title from the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri, much to the displeasure of the Urhobos. They challenged this in court and apparently have been arguing about it till this day. I can't remember where I read this but I'm gonna try find it again....

As for the Itsekiris being added to Edo state I personally don't think that's a good idea as it might probably cause ethnic tensions. I'm going to keep my opinion on this limited before I start getting attacked by the political and cultural Nazis on this forum lol.

Itsekiris who still keep their Ijebu lineage? Interesting. Never heard of that...enlighten me and no I'm not Itsekiri...I'm actually Yoruba but have a very strong interest in west African history

So, Valena is yoruba - interesting.. Anyway, I don't really know much about the politics and I honestly haven't taken time out to read extensively about it - I was just alluding to the endless cycle of violence among all the groups who lay claim to the place...

However, I suggested Edo state because it seems they have more in common with Benin people than all the other ethnic groups they live with in Delta... and since their crown is a Benin crown, and Benin people are peace loving and cultured people - they shouldn't have any problems co-existing with them... Itsekiri seems to be the odd group in the Delta state and it's kind of reminiscent of the colonial boundaries.. Heck, the only group they get along with perfectly in the state are the few Ilajes there... But hey, what do I know? - nada

I also have a strong interest in African history, hence why I joined this forum.....

Read this:

According to John O. Sagay, “…we are told that the people of Ugborodo, Omadino and Ureju migrated from Ode in Ijebu. This should explain some affinity between the Itsekiri Language and Ijebu; if we accept this, then there may have been some Yoruba settlements along the Benin and Escravos Rivers, but it was unlikely that they were found before then, there may have been small fishing settlements. The people of Ugborodo and Ogidigben still describe themselves a descendants of their immortalised ancestor named Olaja-Oriwu.Those of Omadino claim to be descendants of Lenuwa, the title of the ruler of Ode.”

From the above account, we can see that some communities in the kingdom still believe in their ancestral descents before their settlement. Nevertheless, they are still bonafide citizen of the kingdom in view of the monarch's dominance over all the communities in the kingdom. Of all the movements for a safe haven by these migrant groups, one that is most instrumental to the carving out of a race that is today known as the Itsekiri tribe is that conducted by one Mr. Itsekiri and his family. The journey, which started from Ode in Ijebu, saw them migrating to Kerenmu. From Kerenmu, the horde moves to Ijalosan and then finally to Okoyitemi (Okotomu) presently called Ode-Itsekiri.

From the foregoing text, it can be seen that the word Itsekiri which was corrupted by these variants: Jakri, Jekri by various Europeans who had contact with the tribe is not an interpretation of cowardice or a man who could not fight as surmised by Granville and Roth; but rather a word adopted from the name of the founder of a place. Culling from J.O.Sayay's book, The Warri Kingdom, the picture becomes clearer.
“…while Yorba settlements were maturing along Escravous and Benin Rivers, the children of one Ijenekun called Fifan Wandobo and Itsekiri were migrating from Kerenmu to Ijalosan and later from Ijalosan to Okoyitemi: Itsekiri led the migration to Okoyitemi (Okolomu). He was thus head of the settlement of Okolomu when the migrants from Benin arrived.
http://www.warrimirrornet.com/history_of_warri_kingdom.html

^^^^The Ugborodo and Ogidigben people of Itsekiri land still maintain their Ijebu ode ancestry - and there also a few other families like that in Itsekiri land...

Please, I'm not claiming that they're Yoruba, I'm just answering your questions...

Oh wow that's really interesting...you learn something new everyday. Well since some of them still maintain their Ijebu ancestry, I guess I can allow you to add them to the "Ijebu commonwealth" then lol

^^^Lmao... I was just messing about with the "commonwealth" thing - they're a different ethnic group now, and they should be respected for that... However, I just want the best for them because some of them might be from my extended bloodline....

Are you the one your profile? You've got a proper Yoruba face and the Afrocentric hairstyle looks like 18th century Yoruba hairstyle - me likey...

You should come on here more often...

hmm interesting convo. In my opinion, most of these riverrine Delta tribes share common ancestry. though now they are separate and developing/developed into their own distinct groups.

shymexx: ^^^Lmao... I was just messing about with the "commonwealth" thing - they're a different ethnic group now, and they should be respected for that... However, I just want the best for them because some of them might be from my extended bloodline....

Are you the one your profile? You've got a proper Yoruba face and the Afrocentric hairstyle looks like 18th century Yoruba hairstyle - me likey...

You should come on here more often...

Proper Yoruba face you know! Loool literally everyone I meet thinks I'm Ghanaian!

valena_23:

Proper Yoruba face you know! Loool literally everyone I meet thinks I'm Ghanaian!

Lmao... You don't look Ghanaian at all... You've got a quintessential Yoruba face and eyes... Perhaps, the Ghanaian thing has to do with your body and the curves...

Anyway, this is my new handle - the old "shymexx" is now on a sabbatical/hiatus...

Question for you:

- Do you know anything about the historical relationship between the Benin, Urhobo, and Yoruba? I'll like you to educate me on what you know - books/articles suggestions won't be a bad idea...

PAGAN 9JA:
hmm interesting convo. In my opinion, most of these riverrine Delta tribes share common ancestry. though now they are separate and developing/developed into their own distinct groups.

that's possible.

tpia5:
They are not yorubas.

They used to be the same state with urhobos, itsekiris, etc.

Itsekiris are also closer to edo but they speak a yoruboid dialect.

itsekiris pple were yorubas been rule over by a benin prince iginua

How do you mean??

I was messing about when I posted the comment... However, I'll like to know how they're cultural different when "olokun"(an Ijebu/Yoruba deity) is also an Itsekiri deity... Can you explain further, sis.. Cheers...

itsekiris re yoruba been rule over by a benin prince. but their dressin is dat of Portuguese origin. ligiunstically (language) culturally(mode of dressin)

valena23:


Yh I clocked you were joking lol . The Yoruba have had significant influences on the culture and the traditions of the Itsekiri especially the ijebu as you rightly said, but they have also been significantly influenced by other groups such as the Urhobo, Igala, Edo and Ijaw. They've all left a mark on the Itsekiri but due to the proximity of the Urhobos to the Itsekiris for centuries and their many inter-tribal marriages, I would say they're more culturally linked to the Urhobos.
As for the olukun deity worship you mentioned, it's probably just one of the lesser influences the Yoruba had on them since it's not full Ifa worship.

dnt get tins wrong itsekiris dnt copy urhobo mode of dressin rather urhobo and d rest of dem copy itsekiri cos itsekiri first came in contact wit d Portuguese were dat style of dressin(d cowboy hat wrapper longsleeve and walkin stick) was gotteen frm. dats y today itsekiris re d lord of dressin in d region.in itsekiri it call ife worship.even though itsekiris re small but they overlord urhobo in history even to slavery cos itsekiris were opportune to posses fire power arms frm d white like d benin dat is most reason d urhobo and ijaw hate itsekiri till date.warri kingdom is a daughter kingdom to benin. dat y they never fought in history.

Interesting discussion

The only confusion about them is that some of them bear yoruba names, but they will tell you they are from Edo state

missKiffy:
The only confusion about them is that some of them bear yoruba names, but they will tell you they are from Edo state

True, I agree