Abeem:

@ davidylan and KunleOshob,
Can you guys and most especially, Davidylan, refrain from vituperations and personal attacks and[b] just reply with well-reasoned and intelligent arguments?[/b]

That is assuming your own post was "well reasoned and intelligent" . . . sorry it wasnt.

Abeem:

Cherry-picking of the so-called inconsistencies is not what is called for but a wholesale rebuff of each argument is what is desired.

wholesale rebuff of what? There are 33 claims outlined, each contains AT LEAST 3 bible verses . . . that is 99 bible verses that have to be looked into and thoroughly explained . . . even if we had no other jobs to do but to be rebuffing every foolish muslim who copies and pastes arguments from other websites that he doesnt understand.

Only 1 or rebuttals was enough to completely destroy the legitimacy of your copy/paste job.

Abeem:

I am still at a loss as to why the published sayings/teachings of Jesus are asymmetrical from those of Paul since Paul too received divine inspirations from God.

You're not at a loss, you really HAVE NO IDEA if the list you copied is true or not because IT IS NOT YOUR OWN . . .

Abeem:

Okay, if one on one rebuff might be unnecessary and a drain on your precious time, can you please explain what is meant by . Is this a testimony that Jesus is not God? Please explain and also try to refrain from abuse and name calling.

The above question makes no sense. What is the context in which that question is asked?

Abeem:

Let make it an intelligent discussion/argument. Promise.

Sorry, your own posts clearly lack intelligence. Learn to reason your own arguments instead of copy/pasting before anyone will take you seriously.

Davidylan
I can't be exchanging vituperations with a bum.

Abeem:

Davidylan
I can't be exchanging vituperations with a bum.

There was no vituperations at all in my post, just a frank analysis of the nonsense you copied and pasted with no knowledge

We've seen this type of excuse before.

@Davidlyan,common, why are u acting as if what Abeem posted is false?or u wanna deny that the content is not true,even a primary school child who reads it would know st paul is against christ teachings cos he is an anti-christ

uplawal:

@Davidlyan,common, [b]why are u acting as if what Abeem posted is false?[/b]or u wanna deny that the content is not true,even a primary school child who reads it would know st paul is against christ teachings cos he is an anti-christ

Neither you nor Abeem has shown us why it is false. I pointed randomly to only 2 and they turned out to be completely brainless lies. How about you SHOW US JUST ONE THAT PROVES YOUR POINT CLEARLY first before whining.

Or are you claiming they are true because a fellow muslim posted them?

I also pointed out last night that you both are satanic hypocrites . . . if indeed Paul was going against Christ's teachings . . . ARE YOU SLAVES OF ALLAH FOLLOWING THOSE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST?

Are you also in support of baptism of the Holy Ghost (one of the points on the thread against paul)?

Abeem:

Jesus himself was circumcised (Lk 2:21); but Paul says if we are circumcised we would be estranged from Christ (Gal 5:2-4)

As i said earlier your source quoted out of context and since youhave graciously conceded to us making an example of just one of the 33 scriptural manipulations by your source i would do justice to it. Firstly i would reproduce the verses here so everybody can make informed judgements
Luke 2:21:
21 Eight days later, when the baby was circumcised, he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel even before he was conceived
Galatians 5:2-4:
2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses. 4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

It is quite clear form the above passage what paul was saying, and that is that contrary to the jewish law it is not compulsary for christians to be circumcised to be right with God. He never said it was wrong for one to be circumcised. I know you guys would jump at any opportunity to quote the bible out of context but I must mention it is poor scholarship and it smirks of deceitfulness to take that approach. You should learn to be more honest in your submissions and not just regurgitate what an ill informed muslim pastor with ulterior motives posted on the internet without you actually verifying it whether it is true or not.

@KunleOshob and Kola Oloye: Was Paul himself not heretic to what Jesus preached, if we take into account that Jesus warned that "no abolition of laws and Prophets?" Men, please help me out here, am trying to beat down this dude called noetics with the Bible.

KunleOshob:

As i said earlier your source quoted out of context and since youhave graciously conceded to us making an example of just one of the 33 scriptural manipulations by your source i would do justice to it. Firstly i would reproduce the verses here so everybody can make informed judgements
Luke 2:21:
21 Eight days later, when the baby was circumcised, he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel even before he was conceived
Galatians 5:2-4:
2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses. 4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

It is quite clear form the above passage what paul was saying, and that is that contrary to the jewish law it is not compulsary for christians to be circumcised to be right with God. He never said it was wrong for one to be circumcised. I know you guys would jump at any opportunity to quote the bible out of context but I must mention it is poor scholarship and it smirks of deceitfulness to take that approach. You should learn to be more honest in your submissions and not just regurgitate what an ill informed muslim pastor with ulterior motives posted on the internet without you actually verifying it whether it is true or not.

KunleOshob,
You sounded more refined and convincing than some bum who is not schooled in the ethics of engaging people of divergent opinion.  But just that you may know, I was only interested in knowing why there were irregularities in the messages conveyed by both arrow heads of Chistianity, Jesus and Paul, not to disparage your religion because I wouldn't like you to insult my religion, since you were always in the forefront fending off attacks on your religion. Also know that the man who pointed out the inconsistencies was a never a Muslim. His name is a Femi Aribisala, a pastor. I am doing research on the Church he attends. Meanwhile, he has another bombshell: David did not kill goliath! Check it out in Next - What say you?
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5451614-146/David_did_not_kill_Goliath_.csp

olabowale:

@KunleOshob and Kola Oloye: Was Paul himself not heretic to what Jesus preached, if we take into account that Jesus warned that "no abolition of laws and Prophets?" Men, please help me out here, am trying to beat down this dude called noetics with the Bible.

Alhaji, Jesus came to fufill the law. The law was fufilled by his death being the final sacrifice. Apart from Paul all the other apostles who worked under the direct supervision of Jesus agreed that the law was not applicable to christian converts. If you are in doubt, go and read about the first church council as recorded in Acrts 15.

@Abeem
If the Femi aribisala is truely a christian, he won't go out of his way to distort the scriptures and quoting it out of context with the objective of discrediting it's authenticity. He would at least be objective and rationa in his submissions.

Is John from London the same guy as John from Manchester?

How many philistines called Goliath would there be?

So now, Goliath the Gittite is the same person as Goliath of Gath.

davidylan:

You're not fasting my dear, you eat a very heavy breakfast albeit earlier than us . . . skip lunch until 7pm when you then eat it combined with another heavy dinner.

Its funny how muslims spend more on food during fasting periods than any other time.

Sure' you're all "fasting".

Hey man, do you know the meaning of fasting? you might need the services of a medical student or a biochemistry student if you have one as friend. Fasting starts from two hours after meal until 12 hours after. Anything beyond this is Starvation. And so, muslims have been fasting while you have been starving yourselves thinking you were fasting.

@ davidylan, your brother in christ should have been specific. His use of the words 'inappropriate' and 'girls' do not refer to the prophet (S.A.W). He married Aisha with her consent, her father's and paid her dowry. She was the only one he married @ this age who are the other girls? Muslims do not shy away from this.So, what is your point.

Hmm, na wa o,so because you starved yourself between d hrs of 4am-5:30am to 6pm in the evening,you consider that fasting, that means i must have been fasting everyday since i usually take dinner around 7pm and dont get to eat the following day until around 9am-10am abi

timmy7:

Hmm, na wa o,so because you starved yourself between d hrs of 4am-5:30am to 6pm in the evening,you consider that fasting, that means i must have been fasting everyday since i usually take dinner around 7pm and dont get to eat the following day until around 9am-10am abi

I do not frequent this site because i just cannot contain arguing with unintelligent people. i gave you a medical fact and your fanaticism is still clouding your thoughts? what then would you accept? absolutely nothing except if told by your local pastor?

Go and sit somewhere my friend medical fact my foot,is my own analogy not a medical fact too Mohammadins like you do not know what fasting imply and only observe it because one anobi asked you to and because it has medical significance,little wonder most muslims go back to their normal way of life after breaking d fast by 6pm and you are here forming intelligent muslim because you gave a medical definition of fasting. Tseeeeew

deols:

Hey man, do you know the meaning of fasting? you might need the services of a medical student or a biochemistry student if you have one as friend. Fasting starts from two hours after meal until 12 hours after. Anything beyond this is Starvation. And so, muslims have been fasting while you have been starving yourselves thinking you were fasting.

@ Deols,
             you are quite wrong there! Fasting and starvation are two entirely different things. Starvation sets in when the body is depleted of its reserves ie both nutritional and calorific. An obese person can stay without food for up to 50days and that isn't starvation because he still has some reserves for his body to function. However,someone of a lean body frame may not stay that long without untoward effects on his body because his reserves initially were less than the obese person, and would be considerately depleted in the period without food. Look at children in war-torn regions, and you will see STARVATION and it can ultimately lead to death if not corrected. It's not even prolonged fasting.
 
   In fasting, the body still has reserves to help in its function, and these reserves are 'topped up' when the person breaks his fast with food/drink of nutritional and calorific values. Whether one goes without food for 2hrs or even 96 hrs, it is still a FAST because of the body reserves and the fact that the body adjusts to these changes and makes up for it. When the body can no longer adjust and starts to break down its tissues etc, then, STARVATION, has set in.

 Whether you engorge yourself on food @ 5am and @ 7pm, you are still fasting, which isn't different from the person who decides to eat @ 6am and eats again @6pm.

The fact that tithes had been paid for centuries, does not make it right. Believe me there is case before God if you dont pay your tothe, cos God isnt even expecting it in the first place. I heard someone say tithe is needed for the work of the ministry, No to that. How can the gospel thrive on fraud. God has a plan for financing his work here on earth and thats through free-will offering. I prefer to give 20% of my money as offering that 10% as tithe, I came across an interesting ebook check it out here, just scroll to where you have the tithe issue
http://www.freelygive-n.com/Free_Christian_Ebook_Home.html

deols:

@ davidylan, your brother in christ should have been specific. His use of the words 'inappropriate' and 'girls' do not refer to the prophet (S.A.W). He married Aisha with her consent, her father's and paid her dowry. She was the only one he married @ this age who are the other girls? Muslims do not shy away from this.So, what is your point.

So a 6yr old can give consent to a marriage? And here i was thinking you were smart.

deols:

Hey man, do you know the meaning of fasting? you might need the services of a medical student or a biochemistry student if you have one as friend. Fasting starts from two hours after meal until 12 hours after. Anything beyond this is Starvation. And so, muslims have been fasting while you have been starving yourselves thinking you were fasting.

This is frankly stupid and a lie.

1. You dont digest your meal until at least 3-5 hours after eating (usually 4) so how can you be said to be "fasting" a mere 2 hours after a meal when it hasnt even been properly digested?

2. The medical definition of fasting from wikipedia - In a medical context fasting may refer to (1) the metabolic status of a person who has not eaten overnight, (2) to the metabolic state achieved after complete digestion and absorption of a meal, or (3) an unusually extended period of starvation. Several metabolic adjustments occur during fasting, and many medical diagnostic tests are standardized for fasting conditions. For most ordinary diagnostic purposes a person is assumed to be fasting after 8–12 hours. Many of the metabolic shifts of fasting begin as absorption of a meal is complete (typically 3–5 hours after a meal); "post-absorptive state" is synonymous with this usage, in contrast to the "post-prandial" state of ongoing digestion. A diagnostic fast refers to prolonged fasting (from 8–72 hours depending on age) conducted under medical observation for investigation of a problem, usually hypoglycemia.

Note that it defines a fast for diagnostic reasons as not having eaten 8-12 hours AFTER the last meal! When will you muslims stop lying? Most people eat lunch at 2pm and then diner perhaps around 8pm, so you mean they've been fasting all along and didnt know?

deols:

I do not frequent this site because i just cannot contain arguing with unintelligent people. i gave you a medical fact and your fanaticism is still clouding your thoughts? what then would you accept? absolutely nothing except if told by your local pastor?

1. you dont frequent this site because you cant contain the truth . . . frankly i havent seen any intelligence in your posts. How can a 6yr old child give an informed consent to marriage? why dont we give 7 yr olds driving licenses then?

2. You gave us a lie NOT a medical fact and i'm glad JaguaNana also straightened you out on the diff between fasting and starvation. To claim that one is starving for going without food for more than 12hrs is elementary stupidity.

HMMMMMM

what a great deed it was before this wonderful post got turned into battle ground of words turning Paul against Christ. One thing is certain :
ANYONE that claims Paul opposes Christ's teachings is self-deluded and has not read the Bible at all. I will even be right to doubt such a person's salvation from SIN.
Paul was the apostle that Christ used to expound the Mysteries surrounding our victory from sin (Romans 5,6,7,8 Colosians 3, Ephesians 1). It is sad that People who have no interest of CHRIST in heart even try to reason out HIS WORD; (impossible) the word of God is veiled to you even as it happened to the Israelites in the wilderness when Moses covered his face.
You just cannot understand the mysteries and deep truths, they are not ordinary words. Even the Jews(his disciples too) didn't understand His Parables unless he explained them. Just tell me why you will understand THESE WORDS!!!!
I'll advice you to look at your lives critically and see if you align with HIM or not.
Tithe giving is an elective course that does not vilify you in the new testament, however the way to give in the New covenant is beyond 10%, God requires all, evident in the test Jesus gave the rich young ruler and so many instances to raise here.
But know this ANYONE THAT FAILS THE CORE COURSES WILL NOT ESCAPE IT

EVERY INSTRUCTION THAT CARRIES VERILY, TRULLY, MOST ASSUREDLY ARE KEY WORDS THAT HINGE ON WHAT MATTERS MOST EVEN IN THE HEART OF GOD.

I'm using this medium to plead with everyone to stop arguing on the Word of God but rather Live to Obey what It says.

Once again, giving is biblical but tithing is the lowest level of sacrificial giving, Tithing was not preached in the New Covenant but generous giving was preached well which far outways 10%.
How do we then go about it, seek God's direction before dispensing or even spending whatever resources He brings our way. But as for me I tithe because it doesn't cost me to do so and I attend a church that instructs me to do so. Remember I said Tithing is an elective course that can't stop anyone from making it to heaven if you obey or not but been greedy and stingy with your Resources shows Mammon has a strong grip on you and God must help you urgently!!!!

xploits777
Whilst i agree with most of your submissions i would like to point out to you that the emphaisis of christian giving in the bible was directed towards the poor and the needy and NOT the church as most christians have been errornously led to believe. If you really want to do the will of God you must direct your resources towards helping the poor and the needy, the church is secondary to that in the scheme of things, even biblically most church collections were used to help the poor and needy unlike what obtains today. So to ensure these poor folk get what God has ordained for them i suggest we give it directly to them as the church leadersgip can no longer be entrusted to keep this divine mandate Judging from their conduct which we see today.

Bump!

The bible, the word of God is open to all to read and not only that, to study. I tell you the truth, when people start to sit and study their bible, many of these false teachings will crumble by the knowledge of the word of God. Great job

Thanx bro, the bible is there for all to read and loaded with knowledge and power for those who seek genuinely. It is only when people learn to study the word properly and understand it for themselves that they would be freed from the oppression of certain groups of 'christian' leaders.

E don tay wey we don dey fight this good fight of faith. Bumper harvest thread. Great job, @ OP.

Goshen360: E don tay wey we don dey fight this good fight of faith. Bumper harvest thread. Great job, @ OP.

Thanx bro

Bump.

Please see the following. The word of God is clear but we let others tell us what it says instead of reading for ourselves


The Truth about Tithing by Pastor Antonio Thomas of Freedom Christian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wiZovdpl0

The truth about tithing - Malachi 3:10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8hf5vD4Hc

Tithing & New Testament Giving - Tithes & Offerings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHXs5lKCiVQ

No More Tithing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeDi5E16P0

What you will not here from the pulpit unless you study the word day and night:

Eat your tithes:
Deuteronomy 14:23

God Required No Tithe from the Farmland Every Seventh Year and Every Fiftieth Jubilee Year to Allow the Holy Land to Rest

Exod. 23:11 But the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie still; that the poor of your people may eat; and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner you shall deal with your vineyard, and with your olive yard.

The Second Tithe Could Only Be Eaten in Jerusalem

14:23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the first offspring of your herds and of your flocks, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

The Second Tithe Could Be Exchanged for Money and Then Be Used to Buy Strong Drink

14:24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry it; or, if the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD your God has blessed you,


http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id30.html

Paul wrote many books and talked about giving, healing and whole host of topics but he never mentioned us paying tithes to him or that he pays tithes (to who, the pharisees)

Everyone quotes Malachi but they don't read the ending of that chapter, which talks about the Law (which is dead and gone including tithing that was part of it)

Naijastuv:
Please see the following. The word of God is clear but we let others tell us what it says instead of reading for ourselves


The Truth about Tithing by Pastor Antonio Thomas of Freedom Christian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wiZovdpl0

The truth about tithing - Malachi 3:10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8hf5vD4Hc

Tithing & New Testament Giving - Tithes & Offerings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHXs5lKCiVQ

No More Tithing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeDi5E16P0

Thanx for these wonderful contributions