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chocolateme:
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delishpot:
Intro intro, welcone o



Choco baby I see you too o

True talk OP. Many people are managing to be nice because of hell fire not because they love humanity

chocolateme:
Nne I see you too.. wetin you carry come?

fearlesschicken:
Nice topic! Deserving of front page!
I don't even know why someone would ask that kinda question, it is very silly and beyond human reasoning. It just shows the low mentality they have.

Cc:lalasticlala

frank317:
Nice one there John.
Unfortunately Christians will purposely misunderstand all you wrote. They will tell you your goodness is like a filty rag to their vengeful and murderous God.
They don't want to see any reason not to classify others as sinners and see themselves as the only ones going to a fake heaven.
Once they agree with you, pastors stop getting mugus and mugus (who are too lazy to use their brains) will be faced with the burden of feeling responsible for their actions.
No! They will reject it. Do u want devil to stop being responsible for their inadequacies? Do u want them to live with their guilt when religion has provided them an invisible being to ask for forgiveness when ever they behave badly?
They will come here and tell you you can never be good if you don't join them in their delusion.
Watch out.

johnydon22:
Actually people ask this question all the time. . . Its not silly but just shows the level the reasoning and independent thinking ability of that person is which is really low..

Looking out how many times i have heard it this question and have tried teaching otherwise, most people trail this line of thought

frank317:
Nice one there John.
Unfortunately Christians will purposely misunderstand all you wrote. They will tell you your goodness is like a filty rag to their vengeful and murderous God.

CaptainJune:
Johnnydon22, God does not condemn or reward on the basis of your goodness or wickedness. Faith in the death of Jesus on the cross is the basis of salvation, not morality.

You can be the kindest, meekest, humblest person in the world but still end up in hell because your spirit is still dead because of sin. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash the sins away, make your spirit alive, make you righteous through belief in Him, not through your works of goodness.

Religions of the world strive to attain righteousness through good deeds, but to God, man's righteousness is filthy rags before Him. The righteousness that qualifies one for heaven is simple belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As you can see, that righteousness is not ours, it belongs to God. It is not of works of goodness but by grace. That is the message of the Gospel.

frank317:
Nice one there John.
Unfortunately Christians will purposely misunderstand all you wrote. They will tell you your goodness is like a filty rag to their vengeful and murderous God.
They don't want to see any reason not to classify others as sinners and see themselves as the only ones going to a fake heaven.
Once they agree with you, pastors stop getting mugus and mugus (who are too lazy to use their brains) will be faced with the burden of feeling responsible for their actions.
No! They will reject it. Do u want devil to stop being responsible for their inadequacies? Do u want them to live with their guilt when religion has provided them an invisible being to ask for forgiveness when ever they behave badly?
They will come here and tell you you can never be good if you don't join them in their delusion.
Watch out.

CaptainJune:
Johnnydon22, God does not condemn or reward on the basis of your goodness or wickedness. Faith in the death of Jesus on the cross is the basis of salvation, not morality.

You can be the kindest, meekest, humblest person in the world but still end up in hell because your spirit is still dead because of sin. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash the sins away, make your spirit alive, make you righteous through belief in Him, not through your works of goodness.

Religions of the world strive to attain righteousness through good deeds, but to God, man's righteousness is filthy rags before Him. The righteousness that qualifies one for heaven is simple belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As you can see, that righteousness is not ours, it belongs to God. It is not of works of goodness but by grace. That is the message of the Gospel.

herald9:
John Locke, the author and 'finisher' of this thread, permit me to salute you!

hahn:
John, you have started again o

These religious people's matter just tire me abeg

johnydon22:

I need not even add or say anything on this... Your post says it all...

You can now read the post again to understand what it really says because clearly you are lost to the topic..

johnydon22:

The idea of it from the questioners perspective is

"Since you have no God who will burn you in hell or reward you in heaven then why do you bother being good?



"So without the idea of religion coming up with the concept of a God who is willing to roast you in a literal fire forever these people won't bother to be good?"





Before i proceed on why an atheist, agnostic, deist or pantheist are good without adhering to the idea of threats to do so


e.g1
If you are good because you want to make heaven, you are not good because you want to be good but because you want to earn a reward after all, you only are good for your own gain... We call that selfishness... Is that goodness in entirety??

e.g2
If you are good because you fear hell, you want to escape hell. You are only good because you want to escape punishment, you just want to save your own skin after all..
that still is a selfish reason... is that goodness in entirety??

e.g3
One that is good not because they want a heaven or fear a hell but because they want good to happen, because they care and because they are empathic and compassionate towards others?

Anybody reading this wouldn't want me to go any further to see that One be it a believer or an unbeliever do not need the promise of a heaven or the threat of a hell to be good..One can be good for goodness sake.


If you are good to others because of the promise of heaven, it shows how little you think of others.

if you are good because of hell, it shows how little you think of yourself. . .


I have once told a pastor "You cannot tell me about morality until you and i agree on what we think is moral, because subjecting a little child to the psychological abuse and fear by threatening with a horrifying burning flames in order to instill morality is horrifying, disturbing, wrong, wicked and immoral to me..."

johnydon22:

And captainjune just proved you to be very very very right.!!!

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha Only needed to set some things straight and clear to people..

CaptainJune:


While I addressed your underlying theme of morality as the basis of eternity, you'll do well to expunge the following from your article to avoid misleading
your readers.

CaptainJune:


Lol. The truth has to be said even if it has been repeated over and over like a national anthem.

johnydon22:

I am responsible for what i write, what you understand is totally your responsibility

johnydon22:
I think it is obvious the mistake rests on you for not knowing when a post implies or the difference between..

Morality being the basis of eternity and Reward or Punishment being the basis of morality...

So why don't you educate yourself to have a better cognitive ability so as not to always swim in your own mistakes..

My post implied people taking Reward and punishment as basis for their morality..and this includes every branch of theism every religion and not addressing one.

I am responsible for what i write, what you understand is totally your responsibility

Weah96:


How do u know who a believer is as opposed to a non believer?

Well, let's see if the much vaunted bible has anything to say:

Mark 16:15-17



Can you perform any of these signs? Say the truth.

CaptainJune:


Here you go again. Reward and punishment in heaven or hell, are they not eternal?

johnydon22:
Pheeew ok i think there is need for me to break it down since obviously my choice of words confuses you entirely..

There is a difference between:

Morality is the basis of eternity and
Eternity is the basis of morality..

Just like there is a difference between "Gold is the source of silver and silver is the source of Gold"

I believe you can now correct yourself accordingly and stop rubbing your own confusions on someone's assertions. . Alas it all boils down to what you choose to understand