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Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Nobody: 7:42pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
johnydon22: What is "good"?.... How do you know that something/someone is "good"? Because "good" as you know it might be different from how I know it. Can you then say I'm not "good" or not doing something "good" because it's not "good" as you know it.... What makes you think you can tell me what's "good" and what's not? Because, what I consider to be "good" is definitely different from what you know as "good" So, when I ask 'why be good as an unbeliever' why conclude that I meant "good" as you know it? 2 Likes |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
Thoniameek:Good one. you learn quick. |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 8:00pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
Thoniameek:I personally think you have no idea what the Op was all about, I think you need to read the Op because tho your questions are ill placed or in no connection to my assertions i believe the Op have the answer to some of the relevant ones, so go read it.. I have never implied it, you are committing a logical fallacy known as straw man by misrepresenting someone's assertion with your own assumptions. . . I in no way in my post tried telling anyone what should be good, so please do not heap your own fallaciously employed assumptions on me... I am pretty sure this was in the Op where i said "What religions consider to be moral are in fact opposite of what secular or independent moral basis consider to be moral" So evidently i recognize morality to be subjective and know that what you may consider moral maybe different from mine This shows you didn't read the Op before rushing into it . . One problem with humans: Listening half, understanding less and talking double..Next time please read the subject before rushing to make points I am pretty sure the Good (morality) the Op implied was a clear one. So maybe i will need you to make known your own version of goodness... But before that; read the Op i am pretty sure you didn't 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Nobody: 8:22pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
johnydon22: Got me! I didn't read all of it but scheme through. I considered most if it unimportant and gibberish..... Am just trying to say the question on your topic is as valid as you asking me to prove the existence of God, because only God is good and any form of goodness comes from Him. BTW; You writ too long mehn! C'mon, why don't you paraphrase a bit 1 Like |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 8:39pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
Thoniameek:Lol.. Actually i like making points clear, i knew you didn't read it and so was totally lost to the point of it.. The kind of morality i was implying was "The ability to lead ethical lives" And i was addressing only to the people that trail the mindset that "someone needs a sort of belief and a concept of punishment and reward in order to strive to live an ethical life" I only corrected that naive impression. I only affirmed that "without the concept of religions and Gods, one can certainly live an ethical life of personal fulfillment and aspire for the greater good of humanity.. And what i recognize to be GOOD OR BAD are ACTIONS towards others and nothing more. About the bolded; Very good sentiment tho i am very sure you know i don't share that line of belief with you. . so we are good then .. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:25pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
Assuming the fine question was answered I would leveled the op ... hahaha ... the fool davien saved your ass |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by TheDauraMallam: 9:34pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
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Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 4:36pm On Aug 18, 2015 |
TheDauraMallam:Lol.. Calm down guys!!! 1 Like |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by fearlesschicken: 9:27pm On Aug 18, 2015 |
Passing by.... |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 8:30am On Aug 21, 2015 |
fearlesschicken:Passer by 1 Like |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 11:56am On Sep 05, 2015 |
So many people don't even know what morality means ... 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 6:19pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
johnydon22:If u would like to know, Morality is part & parcel of religion; You can't detach Morality from Religion and vice versa. It's religion that introduced Morality into the society, before it now becomes part of our life. And since it has become part of human life, atheist may act according to the moral obligations of his society. Therefore, "Morality" for atheists (that have it) is an inherited quality which actually stems from "Religion". |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 7:05pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
maverickboy:[b]Morality is a product of religion What type of people do i really have to deal with everyday on nairaland exactly. Religion is a product of the society and not the other way round. . . Before man started settling together into a community everyone lived in autonomy. When these people began settling close to each other, there was need for ethics and mutual behaviours towards each other, that is the advent of morality. Religion and Politics were later additions to human society and these two emanated from the need to ensure people conform to the expected norms of the new society which was vital for mutual coexistence. That is how Morality and order beget Politics (Law of state) and religion (Alleged law of God to make sure people obeyed) And these development led to the emergence of Civilizations and leadership which culminated into monarchs. . History 101 Asserting Religion beget morality is like asserting Politics beget morality or you beget your mother.... I think you need a lesson down historical antiquities so you would stop making such ludicrous naive assertions next time. Morality is neither Islamic anymore than it is Hindu or christian, Morality is human. It belongs to no ism and is not dependent on any book, creed or supernatural claims for foundation because morality itself is a foundation [/b] 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 8:23am On Sep 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:There's one thing I got to know from ur response to my post, That's "the hearing of religion is the opium of atheists". I think I'll have to let go of this, so as not to waste time on "never ending argument". |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 8:29am On Sep 06, 2015 |
maverickboy:No there is one thing you should learn from my post and that is "You need a basic lesson in history" When someone does not know that Politics and Religion are products of organized society, what then can that person assert correctly as regard these premises.. I personally have no problem with religion unless you are in jupiter only then can you claim you are not seeing the effects these religious brouhaha are having on everybody including atheists. So that an atheists retaliates by placing such absurd ideologies under scrutiny is very much in order. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 8:50am On Sep 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:And the fact that there could be two answers to a question is something necessary for u to understand. Once u have made up ur mind never to look into what others perspective is, u will continue to make a terrible mistake that there's nothing they can offer u. Of course, we can go into history to clarify our differences but how deep should we go. Don't forget history starts somewhere but has no end; tomorrow will be history. so, when u go into its depth, and history itself has nothing else to offer how do u explain the rest of the issue? |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 8:59am On Sep 06, 2015 |
maverickboy:For the single fact that you have asserted Religions beget morality when the other way round is the case shows i personally have nothing more to discuss with you based on the development of human societal ethics and morality. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 9:05am On Sep 06, 2015 |
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Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 9:06am On Sep 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:I'd have like to explain something here but it won't just be acceptable to you. And mind u, u are to haste on ur conclusion! |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 9:12am On Sep 06, 2015 |
maverickboy:Conclusion on what exactly? That i should watch you to maul history by making assertions based on your religious tilt.. You can go ahead and bring on your explanations but be sure to get a proper rebuttal if it goes contrary to what is... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by maverickboy: 9:12am On Sep 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:Lastly, My assertion could be to u, but not totally wrong as far as I'm concerned. It's a matter of perspective. |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 9:18am On Sep 06, 2015 |
maverickboy:Its a matter of trying to tilt historical facts to match your religious perspectives. For you to make such assertions you have to show us if; Religion is a product of the society or the society is a product of religion. . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 1:39pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Image123(m): 8:49pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
Don't BOTHER to be good duh, there's none good but God. |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by hahn(m): 11:06pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
Image123: God doesn't exist. By your analogy, good doesn't exist either |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by johnydon22(m): 11:16pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
Image123:Good and bad are actions meted towards another and these actions i have seen in humans and other life forms in this planet.. I do not particularly see murdering ones son to appease one's ego good.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by hahn(m): 11:27pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
johnydon22: He oviously didn't read the first write up. He is only concerned about defending his belief. I don't understand how these people think. Just go to the politics section and see how theists insult themselves and then they'll come here and act all holy. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by neocortex: 1:20am On Oct 09, 2015 |
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Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Image123(m): 4:56pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
hahn: Okay. But you believe He killed His Son right? |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Image123(m): 4:59pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
johnydon22: Your thread topic/title says why bother to be good, remember? Many millions can also claim to have seen good actions meted towards them and others by God. |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by Image123(m): 5:02pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
hahn: Of course i read the boring OP. You certainly haven't read the link on my Signature Profile, it coincidentally addresses the thread perfectly. |
Re: Unbeliever Why Bother Be Good? by hahn(m): 5:06pm On Oct 09, 2015 |
Image123: I don't believe in god. Period. Those stories are only products of primitive barbaric people. If he did then it only proves how evil god is. Why kill your son to prove a point? Pure nonsense. Will you kill your son just to prove a point? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
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