All modern societies evolved out of agrarian societies. Before the Industrial Revolution, the male endurance value and physical strength translated directly to political power. Men fought in wars, hunted beasts, erected buildings, and plowed fields PRECISELY because they possessed the physical stamina to do so at a far greater degree than females.

I'm a HUGE fan of saying, "History does not occur in a vacuum." Which is a fancy way of saying, "S**t throughout human history happens for VERY good reasons." Back before the Industrial Revolution, human fertility was the highest premium factor in existence. People lived to have babies, and babies were the most important thing men and women brought into the world. The female role in reproduction—shall we say—involves a lot more time, effort, and pain (and before recently, a hell of a lot of death). Every moment women spent pregnant (which was a LOT of time) was time that she would have been taken away from power-playing.
This was for a very good reason, reasons that no longer exist (and a reality we now live in that we take for granted). More than half of all human beings died before their second birthday. Life was largely physically challenging, oftentimes painful, and disease was relatively rampant. Life wasn't quite as short as most people make it out to be (mean life expectancy was around 38 years because of child mortality, but only another 10 years is added once we factor in those who make it to their teens, meaning that life expectancy hovered around 48—still awfully short).
So, to put it plainly, women had a place in society that wasn't just dictated by male prejudice (while it certainly existed); it was dictated by the needs of society. Gestating was (and is) a very time-consuming affair. Rearing children could not be done in day-care centers or public facilities. There were no public schools, no social safety nets, no labor laws: All that existed was family and church/temple/mosque (and religious organizations weren't in the business of providing much in the way of social safety nets). Women were needed at home because the lack of sophistication in society basically relegated most men and women into the roles that they had: men = physical power / social manager
and women = home power / child-bearer.
We may want to say it was because of "those prejudiced men who kept women down!" but that's just a bit too simplistic. Even women back then didn't question their role; even women in power (queens) believed in those roles. Nobody knew any different! There were very real reasons rooted all the way back into the dawn of humanity, lost to the obscurity of the ages. But we know, most definitely, that the gender roles played by men and women were necessary for society to continue because life was physical, generally short, and dependent upon those roles.
Now, with the advent of the industrial and medical revolutions, suddenly there was surplus wealth (to pay for schools, social programs, safety nets), machines that equalized strength, education to give both genders a chance at contributing to society and longer human lives to fill our cities. With this, the necessity of having babies to preserve society diminished. The need for strong and durable men to work in fields, factories, and in war began to diminish because machines did the "equalizing" work. This has continued apace even to today, in places where machines do ALL of the heavy lifting and all that matters is brain power. Now, there may remain a few select jobs where brute physical strength is at a premium (front-line soldiers, miners, construction, etc.) and those are likely to continue to be dominated by men for obvious reasons.
And so the equalizing of the genders is not something that "men granted" but which society needed and women rightly demanded. We know now that no organization can prosper without tapping into the full mental and emotional potential of both genders (anything less is both a horrible waste and a recipe for failure). In fact, we're reaching a point in development where if we do not demand that everybody contribute to their full potential, then we notice a massive creative lag in that society. More importantly, as a growing world of humanists, we understand that no society can truly be free until every citizen has the same rights; to deny even the least of its members carries the potential to deny all of its members freedom and liberty.

By FREEMAN DAVID.

It is from the Genesis, God created Man before woman

Baawaa:
It is from the Genesis, God created Man before woman

Coming first doesn't Mean you should be above someone when it comes to values and culture...

America came after Britain as a nation... But America is a bigger and better nation in all standard... So your logic won't apply here Mate.

osile2012:
Not these types of ladies below .

Funny thing is even as wealthy as They are, society still see them as an inferior specie.... Like men still controls them...

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Probably because we are weaker vessel in nature.
7 to 9 bones no be small thing!
That's why we have to learn to stand tall and be independent. #

Omotayor123:
Probably because we are weaker vessel in nature.
7 to 9 bones no be small thing!
That's why we have to learn to stand tall and be independent. #

Nature is a bytch

Omotayor123:
Probably because we are weaker vessel in nature.
7 to 9 bones no be small thing!
That's why we have to learn to stand tall and be independent. #

that's a myth. Humans have waaayyy more than 9 bones(ribs)
Even up to twelve!

Teempakguy:
that's a myth. Humans have waaayyy more than 9 bones(ribs)
Even up to twelve!

Hmmm...tell me more

Quite an article you've got here, freemanan.

I've always thought along similar lines. The reason men think women are inferior to them is because of the yardsticks used! Strength, intelligence, bravery, honor, and even humor!
Men surpass women in these yardsticks!

However, if other yardsticks were to be used, such as patience, intuition, love, and resilience, the women would win. So, men only accept women to be inferior in CERTAIN gender roles. However, women who dispute this and argue for equality believe that the genders are equal in ALL ramifications! Something that is of course impossible!

Anyway, I totally love this thread.
Waiting for people to come and dispute! I am dying for some debates!

CLeAtHead:

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standd

Omotayor123:

Hmmm...tell me more

both men and women have EXACTLY the same number of ribs. 12. I don't know where the fake myth came from though. Perhaps someone dissected a woman and found seven solid ribs there, (because the remaining five are floating ribs. It's is the same way in both genders. ) and he, using flawed logic, calculated that for women to possess the flexibility they did, their ribs must have been two less than that of men's . . . and everybody else believed.

Teempakguy:
both men and women have EXACTLY the same number of ribs. 12. I don't know where the fake myth came from though. Perhaps someone dissected a woman and found seven solid ribs there, (because the remaining five are floating ribs. It's is the same way in both genders. ) and he, using flawed logic, calculated that for women to possess the flexibility they did, their ribs must have been two less than that of men's . . . and everybody else believed.

"he" here is?

Freemanan:

"he" here is?

it's most likely to be Hippocrates.
I'm not really sure.

Freemanan:

Funny thing is even as wealthy as They are, society still see them as an inferior specie.... Like men still controls them...

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Not all society, the European and American, women do have major rule and saying. Is just that the environment determine how we see things, Africa and Arab for example, do things in a tradition an religious way and when you subject this two things into the society or rather the environment. You will find out that both the religion and traditional aspect put less value on women.

Teempakguy:
it's most likely to be Hippocrates. I'm not really sure.

Okay. I thought you meant God

Teempakguy:
both men and women have EXACTLY the same number of ribs. 12. I don't know where the fake myth came from though. Perhaps someone dissected a woman and found seven solid ribs there, (because the remaining five are floating ribs. It's is the same way in both genders. ) and he, using flawed logic, calculated that for women to possess the flexibility they did, their ribs must have been two less than that of men's . . . and everybody else believed.

So why men come get power pass women That's number 1 thing that makes them see us as inferior.

sonofananimal:
Not all society, the European and American, women do have major rule and saying. Is just that the environment determine how we see things, Africa and Arab for example, do things in a tradition an religious way and when you subject this two things into the society or rather the environment. You will find out that both the religion and traditional aspect put less value on women.

Even in Europe and America, women are still seen as the inferior specie... Hillary Clinton made this a subject of debate in her recent speech.... It's a global disease that can't be cured....

Freemanan:

Even in Europe and America, women are still seen as the inferior specie... Hillary Clinton made this a subject of debate in her recent speech.... It's a global disease that can't be cured....

we have to learn how to live with that disease if that's the case, nobody can just stop it,

sonofananimal:
we have to learn how to live with that disease if that's the case, nobody can just stop it,

Nobody wants to... Most men are Cool with it... Most women don't care so long their material needs are met.

Freemanan:

Nobody wants to... Most men are Cool with it... Most women don't care so long their material needs are met.

I keep on imagining why a man can organize hundred to thousands of men to follow his leadership but a woman can hardly organize her fellow women!! This is to show that women are also enemy of themselves, and we use this opportunity to deprive them.

sonofananimal:
I keep on imagining why a man can organize hundred to thousands of men to follow his leadership but a woman can hardly organize her fellow women!! This is to show that women are also enemy of themselves, and we use this opportunity to deprive them.

Unless It's KEEPING UP WITH THE KARDESIANS of course...

Men and women are equal,but we both have different roles to play and that what most females won't wanna hear

Freemanan:

Unless It's KEEPING UP WITH THE KARDESIANS of course...

you forget to mention telemundo!!
But shall, even the women themselves cost it, no one voice among themselves

sonofananimal:
you forget to mention telemundo!!
But shall, even the women themselves cost it, no one voice among themselves

Too bad.

sonofananimal:
Not all society, the European and American, women do have major rule and saying. Is just that the environment determine how we see things, Africa and Arab for example, do things in a tradition an religious way and when you subject this two things into the society or rather the environment. You will find out that both the religion and traditional aspect put less value on women.

You said my mind........it really determines on hw d society see tins........d prblm wit Africa n some under developed continents is dat they r too religious and traditional.......fortunately our society is becoming flexible and wit tym society will accept dat men n women r equal

BlissB:
You said my mind........it really determines on hw d society see tins........d prblm wit Africa n some under developed continents is dat they r too religious and traditional.......fortunately our society is becoming flexible and wit tym society will accept dat men n women r equal

is a gradual process, but even with this generation and next, I can't see it happening in Africa, we are still in a developing process.

sonofananimal:
is a gradual process, but even with this generation and next, I can't see it happening in Africa, we are still in a developing process.

Dear......dats y I said TIME

BlissB:
Dear......dats y I said TIME

I know, I am just bringing some light into what you said

Y the comparison between man and woman? It's not a matter of inferiority or superiority, the two genders have different roles to play in the society. We just need to respect each others role.