bigfrancis21:





My post wasn't meant for you actually. The person it is intended for knows himself/herself.

I am surprised at the so-called 'analysis' you people are giving on this thread.

Most of what you wrote up there is half true. I never advocated for any thread name change at all. Please re-read my post.

This thread was opened to hide facts and glorify a certain part which the op wanted to be shown to the world. No rule on nairaland said nobody cannot comment anywhere. Wulfruna came in to correct facts and state facts as they were. Personally up till now I never knew Stella was half Igbo or part Yoruba until I came across this thread and Wulfruna mentioned her Igbo side I did not even know.

It is surprising you would regard someone who cannot maturely hold an argument but rather resort to profanity as 'winner' while the more objective person void of subjectivity whatsoever is the 'loser'. I guess it is the Nigerian way of reasoning.

If you follow the very first page, you'll notice I challenged him intellectually and rather than respond in an intellectual manner expectant of someone mature, or so i assumed until he showed me otherwise, he instead began raining abuses on Wulfruna and I who chose to remain objective in the debate. Clearly seeing that he had lost the argument with no other proof to back up his banal intent of creating this thread, he resorts to abuse. This is clearly the sine qua non of most nairalanders on this forum when they lose out on an argument.

I couldn't care a second about this thread had the objective truth been stated. I would just skim through as usual and pass.

Nothing stops me from flooding the thread with counter images and posts. If I am out to do something i would do it but there are things which I just would not even think of doing. I wouldn't stoop to his level to ignore the debate at hand to be exchanging irrelevant pictures.

Only a few members on this forum are capable of sustaining an intellectual debate without taking it personal. The op, just like many others, took it personal seeing that he lost the argument.

Nothing substantial about the debate is missing. The hidden posts are the op's posts of irrelevant pictures and abuses.

okay that's good to know - I was wondering where that came from. So bigfrancis I see your point but to be fair Emilok did not resort to his insulting pics strategy (with you) until you made the claim:Dr. Stella's Igbo blood is the driving force behind her success as a doctor Then he told you (indirectly) that he would start using his gutter strategy since you made such a tribalistic claim. I think that was where the whole thing descended to the gutters between both of you. I half expected you would have discontinued at that point but you told him to 'bring it' and boy did he LOL . Anyway, like I said both of you are good in my books and Emilok is actually quite a nice and intelligent guy when he is not doing the gutter fights Anyway one love, bro.

Moreover, being familiar with the fields of genetics, Stella or her sister, Kate Aniadi, could simply do the Y-DNA and MtDNA tests and both would come out to be Ghanaian and Igbo respectively.

Being a woman, she has passed down the same MtDNA she inherited from her mother to her own son and her son's MtDNA test will equally come out to be Igbo and his Y-DNA test result will point to where his father (Stella's husband) is from. However, her son will not pass down the MtDNA to the next generation being a male that he is as the MtDNA is only passed down to generations by females.

YungMillionaire:


okay that's good to know - I was wondering where that came from. So bigfrancis I see your point but to be fair Emilok did not resort to his insulting pics strategy (with you) until you made the claim:Dr. Stella's Igbo blood is the driving force behind her success as a doctor Then he told you (indirectly) that he would start using his gutter strategy since you made such a tribalistic claim. I think that was where the whole thing descended to the gutters between both of you. I half expected you would have discontinued at that point but you told him to 'bring it' and boy did he LOL . Anyway, like I said both of you are good in my books and Emilok is actually quite a nice and intelligent guy when he is not doing the gutter fights Anyway one love, bro.

That statement was intended to be a humorous joke to be an opposite mirror to the very stance he had taken. I mean the title of the thread is tribalistic, intended only to glorify a certain part of the woman over her other side. Had the thread been Igbo-Ghanaian..., then the OP would be labelled 'land grabber' and whatnot. It is funny how certain Yorubas who are bigoted would want to lay sole claims to places and people and expect to be overlooked on it but attack the Igbos for the very same thing which they love to do. Double standard is the bane of Nigerian culture.

What is tribalistic about the joke in the first place? Had he said 'her Yoruba blood was responsible for her success', would you regard the statement as tribalistic? Of course, you would see nothing wrong with that, it is only wrong if the statement involves 'Igbo' or any of its derivative. Isn't it funny how he had been tribalistic on the thread right from the very first post and he turns around to claim I am tribalistic for stating a harmless joke intended to mirror his very bigoted mindset?

When I said 'bring it on boy', of course I expected counter intellectual debates from him but he was incapable of such and rather went against nairaland's rules and had to be sanctioned.

Anyway, I am done with all of this. Being a moderator, I will continue to do my job to rid nairaland of trolls. I have long experience dealing with trolls on this forum. The debate can continue unabated so far as nobody goes against the rules.

bigfrancis21:


If you are not ready for the truth don't start something you cannot handle. Stella is half Igbo, 35% Ghanaian, 15% Yoruba. There is no gain-saying the fact. She is more of Igbo than she is Yoruba. Learn to handle the truth as a mature adult with capable sensibilities.

That is not the point.
PATERNALLY what is she?

bigfrancis21:


That statement was intended to be a humorous joke to be an opposite mirror to the very stance he had taken. I mean the title of the thread is tribalistic, intended only to glorify a certain part of the woman over her other side. Had the thread been Igbo-Ghanaian..., then the OP would be labelled 'land grabber' and whatnot. It is funny how certain Yorubas who are bigoted would want to lay sole claims to places and people and expect to be overlooked on it but attack the Igbos for the very same thing which they love to do. Double standard is the bane of Nigerian culture.

What is tribalistic about the joke in the first place? Had he said 'her Yoruba blood was responsible for her success', would you regard the statement as tribalistic? Of course, you would see nothing wrong with that, it is only wrong if the statement involves 'Igbo' or any of its derivative. Isn't it funny how he had been tribalistic on the thread right from the very first post and he turns around to claim I am tribalistic for stating a harmless joke intended to mirror his very bigoted mindset?

When I said 'bring it on boy', of course I expected counter intellectual debates from him but he was incapable of such and rather went against nairaland's rules and had to be sanctioned.

Anyway, I am done with all of this. Being a moderator, I will continue to do my job to rid nairaland of trolls. The debate can continue unabated so far as nobody goes against the rules.

Indeed I see your point of view. But is it not possible that Emilok was not even aware of her Igbo connections and only knew about her Yoruba connection? In that case it would be wrong to ascribe tribalistic intentions to his OP. However, if he had made the claim that Dr. Adevoh's Yoruba blood is the driving force behind her success I would see that as clearly tribalistic just as I said about your claim.

Anyway bro keep doing your thing 1 love. Peace.

PS: I seriously think you and Emilok would probably make good buddies - just my hunch

bigfrancis21 is abusing his moderator powers
smh ....

YungMillionaire:



Indeed I see your point of view. But is it not possible that Emilok was not even aware of her Igbo connections and only knew about her Yoruba connection? In that case it would be wrong to ascribe tribalistic intentions to his OP. However, if he had made the claim that Dr. Adevoh's Yoruba blood is the driving force behind her success I would see that as clearly tribalistic just as I said about your claim.

Anyway bro keep doing your thing 1 love. Peace.

PS: I seriously think you and Emilok would probably make good buddies - just my hunch

We can assume for a second he wasn't 'aware' of her Igbo part, however after Wulfruna educated him on Stella's Igbo side he turned around to rain abuses on her. That behaviour clearly isn't reflective of someone who can be said to not be tribalistic.

The title of the thread is tribalistic and it is surprising you see nothing wrong with that.

I have modified the title accordingly, in the spirit of one Nigeria, fairness and equality.

bigfrancis21:


We can assume for a second he wasn't 'aware' of her Igbo part, however after Wulfruna educated him on Stella's Igbo side he turned around to rain abuses on her. That behaviour clearly isn't reflective of someone who can be said to not be tribalistic.

The title of the thread is tribalistic and it is surprising you see nothing wrong with that.

I have modified the title accordingly, let us assume from now on that we should all be one Nigeria.

bigfrancis while I am not championing Emilok's strategy of debate I do not think changing the title is entirely ethical if you see what I mean. Just my two cents.

YungMillionaire:


bigfrancis while I am not championing Emilok's strategy of debate I do not think changing the title is entirely ethical if you see what I mean. Just my two cents.

When moderators move threads to the front page, they often modify thread titles when necessary, especially if the original title is offensive or intended to be tribalistic, which the former title of this thread was.

Thanks for the 2 cents though.

bigfrancis21:


When moderators move threads to the front page, they often modify thread titles when necessary, especially if the original title is offensive or intended to be tribalistic, which the former title of this thread was.

Thanks for the 2 cents though.

Her paternal Line (The side that matters throughout most of Africa) is Yoruba Nigerian and Akan-Ghanaian.
That is why she has a Yoruba Name, but no Igbo name.
Although I agree, the thread title was wrong.... It should have been Nigerian-Ghanaian. Remove all the tribal shit innit.

scholes0:


Her paternal Line (The side that matters throughout most of Africa) is Yoruba Nigerian and Akan-Ghanaian.
Although I agree, the thread title was wrong.

Actually, she is Akan-Ghanaian on her father's side.

Her paternal side is Akan-Ghanaian. Her grandfather was Akan Ghanaian who married a Yoruba woman to give birth to her father. Following, the african pattern of inheritance for most tribes, Stella is Akan on her father's side and Igbo on her mother's side.

You would be regarded as Yoruba today if your grandfather was Yoruba even if his wife, your grandmother, was Ijaw. The same for Stella Ameyo Adadevoh. Your last name would be Yoruba in line with your paternal pattern of inheritance.

Several Yoruba men have married Igbo women in the past and their offsprings (children and grandhildren) today are regarded as just Yoruba even though these offsprings have half-Igbo blood running in them. Some don't even have Igbo names. The story should not be different for Stella.

@bold...it is good to see that you admit to the honest truth.

bigfrancis21:


Actually, Akan-Ghanaian and Yoruba-Nigerian on her father's side.

Her paternal side is Akan-Ghanaian. Her grandfather was Akan Ghanaian who married a Yoruba woman to give birth to her father. Following, the african pattern of inheritance for most tribes, Stella is Akan on her father's side and Igbo on her mother's side.

You would be regarded as Yoruba today if your grandfather was Yoruba even his wife, your grandmother was Ijaw. The same for Stella Ameyo Adadevoh. Your last name would be Yoruba in line with your paternal pattern of inheritance.

@bold...it is good to see that you admit to the honest truth.

So where does Herbert Macaulay come in?

scholes0:


So where does Herbert Macaulay come in?

Herbert Macaulay's daughter, Idowu Macaulay, is the grandmother of Stella, who married Stella's Akan grandfather to give birth to Stella's father, Kwaku Adadevoh who gave birth to Stella Ameyo Adadevoh.

bigfrancis21:


Herbert Macaulay's daughter, Idowu Macaulay, is the grandmother of Stella, who married Stella's Akan grandfather to give birth to Stella's father, Kwaku Adadevoh who gave birth to Stella Ameyo Adadevoh.

Wow. That's news

I don't understand what her ancestry/tribe has to do with her achievements. It is this kind of mentality that make the Europeans call us monkeys.

Ishilove:
I don't understand what her ancestry/tribe has to do with her achievements. It is this kind of mentality that make the Europeans call us monkeys.

Exactly! I think the op didn't get my humour intended to be a mirror effect.

I don't even care where any successful black person is from. Any black person can be successful regardless of their origins. At the end, it is contributes to the collective uplift of the black race.

macof:
Ok am not interested in ur silly arguments... I skipped most of them
Bigotry is bad for my system


@Wulfruna
Did her mother's mother marry Nnamdi Azikiwe's son?

Oh no. Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt (that is, Zik's father's sister) was Dr Ameyo's great grandmother maternally.

@ Bigfrancis, changing the thread's title - in my own opinion - isn't necessary at all. It made it look like this whole thing is a big deal and it's not.

And left to me, all those posts where she was yelling ashewo at me would be unhidden. Especially the one where I was raped by four (or is it five?) German shepherds. I like to see people embarras themselves with such childishness.

Oh, I just saw what you wrote about titles sometimes getting changed when they get on frontpage. *shrugs*

Isn't "Ghanaian-Yoruba-Igbo" clumsy and superfluous and crowded? "Nigerian-Ghanaian" would have been a lot neater.

Hello bigfrancis, they said two wrongs don't make a right, if you have to change the thread title, let it praise and honour Adadevoh, a West African Amazon. She was a saviour, in the likes of Moremi and Kudirat Abiola in contemporary history and Aladi of the Igala folks. All that happened at 19, Odunlami street was to save us long after the founding fathers of NCNC had gone. Just do the needful for the memory of my grandfather, who was a friend with Macauley and often keep his company whenever he travel back to his countryhome at Ado. A birdie told me he owe my grandpa a favour, I wouldn't mind if that is paid back in kind.

Dr Ameyo's Ghanaian background is actually Ewe, not Akan. The Adadevohs are a well-known Ewe royal family in the Volta Region of Ghana. Her 'Nigerianized' dad (Dr Kwaku Babatunde Adadevoh) was once UNILAG's VC.

It's staggering how one person could descend from so many prominent families.

Wulfruna:


Oh no. Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt (that is, Zik's father's sister) was Dr Ameyo's great grandmother maternally.

@ Bigfrancis, changing the thread's title - in my own opinion - isn't necessary at all. It made it look like this whole thing is a big deal and it's not.

And left to me, all those posts where she was yelling ashewo at me would be unhidden. Especially the one where I was raped by four (or is it five?) German shepherds. I like to see people embarras themselves with such childishness.

Oh I see, and so what's this whole argument about her being igbo or yoruba...I'll probably read it all later tho

She's clearly Ghanaian ... either Akan, Ewe or Ga-Adagbe

Radoillo:
Dr Ameyo's Ghanaian background is actually Ewe, not Akan. The Adadevohs are a well-known Ewe royal family in the Volta Region of Ghana. Her 'Nigerianized' dad (Dr Kwaku Babatunde Adadevoh) was once UNILAG's VC.

It's staggering how one person could descend from so many prominent families.

Thanks for the information. I had earlier searched to find out what tribe the Adadevoh family comes from in Ghana but was unable to find something useful.

So that makes Stella Ewe-Igbo-Yoruba then!

bigfrancis21:


Thanks for the information. I had earlier searched to find out what tribe the Adadevoh family comes from in Ghana but was unable to find something useful.

So that makes Stella Ewe-Igbo-Yoruba then!

No that makes her Nigerian-Ewe

Her igbo and yoruba ancestry is to far behind in my opinion, her paternal grandmother was the last yoruba person in her ancestry and maternal great grandmother the last igbo

If families as prominent as Hebert Macaulay and Nnamdi Azikiwe weren't involved will anybody take note of her far igbo and yoruba connection?

Please re-read the story again to get her full maternal ancestral gist.

bigfrancis21:
Please re-read the story again to get her full maternal ancestral gist.

Wulfruna has explained her igbo connection
So u think that makes her igbo?

Her mother's grandmother

do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

macof:


Wulfruna has explained her igbo connection
So u think that makes her igbo?

Her mother's grandmother

do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

Family inconsolable
“I have reached the mother, Deborah, who is somewhat managing under this tragic circumstances.I spoke to Mrs Kate Aniadi, nee MacIntosh, Deborah’s sister and Ameyo’s aunt who had not stopped wailing and screaming up to the time I put off my phone. I am in regular contact with Dr Andrew MacIntosh, Deborah’s brother and Ameyo’s uncle.”
Family relationship
“Her mother, Mrs Deborah Adadevoh, is my cousin. Deborah’s grandmother, Okwuegbunam (nee Azikiwe) is the immediate senior sister, same father same mother, of Obed Azikiwe, Zik’s father”.
- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/08/ebola-immortalise-adadevoh-says-azikiwe/#sthash.2WOtwnmV.dpuf

--Chukwuma Azikiwe

I totally understand that you cannot read and comprehend a passage. That is fine by me.

bigfrancis21:


I totally understand that you cannot read and comprehend a passage. That is fine.

I deliberately skipped all those posts of in previous pages cus I wasn't expecting any sincerity from all of you


Look at the article you quoted. ..unless you cannot read and comprehend. . You would see how far her Igbo connection is = her mother's grandmother
the article gives the impression that Deborah Adadevoh's Mother was the daughter of Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt. ..and it would be a shocker to find out that Mr. Macintosh( Deborah's father) was Igbo
just imagine the length.

The only igbo claim here could arise if she assimilated into igbo culture and identity

I ask you:
do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

I don't think any of us here fully realises how complicated Dr Ameyo's genealogy is. Like, I've literally never seen anything like it! Her ancestors were just busy marrying all across West Africa, and even Western Europe.

I couldn't find who exactly Okwuegbunam Azikiwe married, but apparently her grand daughter Deborah Regina McIntosh (Dr Ameyo's mum) had Scottish and Itsekiri ancestry. It's just overwhelming.

macof:


I deliberately skipped all those posts of in previous pages cus I wasn't expecting any sincerity from all of you


Look at the article you quoted. ..unless you cannot read and comprehend. . You would see how far her Igbo connection is = her mother's grandmother
the article gives the impression that Deborah Adadevoh's Mother was the daughter of Nnamdi Azikiwe's aunt. ..and it would be a shocker to find out that Mr. Macintosh( Deborah's father) was Igbo
just imagine the length.

The only igbo claim here could arise if she assimilated into igbo culture and identity

I ask you:
do you know if your mother's grandmother was Igbo? Let's imagine she was Edo... does that make you Igbo - Edo?

Lol. By Mitochondrial DNA transmission, Stella Adadevoh inherited Igbo MtDNA and her MtDNA test would come out to be Igbo.

Radoillo:
I don't think any of us here fully realises how complicated Dr Ameyo's genealogy is. Like, I've literally never seen anything like it! Her ancestors were just busy marrying all across West Africa, and even Western Europe.

I couldn't find who exactly Okwuegbunam Azikiwe married, but apparently her grand daughter Deborah Regina McIntosh (Dr Ameyo's mum) had Scottish and Itsekiri ancestry. It's just overwhelming.

Man, how did you dig out all these?! I've been doing some research myself but was unable to myself.

bigfrancis21:


Man, how did you dig out all these?! I've been doing some research myself but was unable to myself.

Yea, there are hopelessly tiny pieces of information on the net. I had to connect slivers of information from here and there, and make some deductions. I started looking up 'Deborah Regina McIntosh' and her father 'Chief Andrew McIntosh' and her brother 'Dr Andrew Omashogowa McIntosh', connecting the dots as I go along.