Nihilist:


Read that article I posted again very well.

The article is based on whoscored rating. Whoscored rating also factors in red cards, and goals scored.

I'm making my decision on raw performance numbers.

Attached are the performances of the players this season vs Last season. focus on defensive players and core defence attributes

Look at those numbers and tell which of the defensive players have covered themselves in glory? for us to single out Ivanovic

Why are teams who barely get 4 shots vs Chelsea last season suddenly getting almost double digits now?

Pataki:


LMAO! I knew you this weyrey boy go post very soon. Igbakeji raumdeuter.

Asewo oshi. Sho shi dobo kiri ni South London abi?

You really think I'm debosky abi?

Meanwhile, Chelsea is having their rough patch early in season which all the EPL teams would go through at some point. We will be back up above le asses by the end of the season

raumdeuter:


Attached are the performances of the players this season vs Last season. focus on defensive players and core defence attributes

Look at those numbers and tell which of the defensive players have covered themselves in glory? for us to single out Ivanovic

Why are teams who barely get 4 shots vs Chelsea last season suddenly getting almost double digits now?

I don't know why you are so desperate to prove that Ivanovic is not the weakest link in that defence.

Your stats are focusing on what Ivanovic did...the problem is the weakness on his wing stems from what he didn't do

Can you tackle someone you can't catch? Ivanovic has gone from being dribbled 0.4 times per game to being dribbled 1.8 times per game.

The only person that has been dribbled more this season is Fabregas.

Ivanovic is tackling 2.2 times per game, yet has conceded 28 chances in 5 games.

Naismith's second goal is a fantastic example of Ivanovic not what he should be doing. Naismith was shooting and Ivanovic turned his back....Sqwuaka won't show you that

No amount of intercaption stats can mask the fact that opposing wingers and fullbacks were able to cross the ball over 60 times from Ivanovic's position in just 5 games.

I don't know why you just don't seem to understand that even if 1 million people are rubbish, there is always least rubbish and a last egbe

Ivanovic is that number 1 million.

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wonlasewonimi:


You really think I'm debosky abi?

Meanwhile, Chelsea is having their rough patch early in season which all the EPL teams would go through at some point. We will be back up above le asses by the end of the season

debosky is now born again. Na when you go leave all these dobo-dobo-debe-debe moves?

Long may the rough patch Chelsea is going through continue! May it lead to the relegation of your team sef. Meanwhile, have you donated your balls to naijababe as you promised?

Chelseafan1:
Airbournelacer vs Raumdeuter.

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Mismatch don't you think?

Nihilist:

I don't know why you are so desperate to prove that Ivanovic is not the weakest link in that defence.

Your stats are focusing on what Ivanovic did...the problem is the weakness on his wing stems from what he didn't do

Can you tackle someone you can't catch? Ivanovic has gone from being dribbled 0.4 times per game to being dribbled 1.8 times per game.

The only person that has been dribbled more this season is Fabregas.

Ivanovic is tackling 2.2 times per game, yet has conceded 28 chances in 5 games.

Naismith's second goal is a fantastic example of Ivanovic not what he should be doing. Naismith was shooting and Ivanovic turned his back....Sqwuaka won't show you that

No amount of intercaption stats can mask the fact that opposing wingers and fullbacks were able to cross the ball over 60 times from Ivanovic's position in just 5 games.

I don't know why you just don't seem to understand that even if 1 million people are rubbish, there is always least rubbish and a last egbe

Ivanovic is that number 1 million.

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because it doesn't make sense to me that just 1 player would be responsible for a club to collapse defensively. What makes a defence work or fail goes beyond just one player

Do you think replacing Ivanovic in those games would have meant a better result?

I hope he gets injured or benched so we can put this theory to test

Nihilist:
Chelsea's Start - The Five Biggest Culprits

Opta-powered fantasy football game www.oulala.com have taken a detailed look at our opening five games this season to the start that we enjoyed last term, to fully emphasis the extent of the difficult situation that we find ourselves in.

Defensively we have conceded 12 goals in our first 5 games, a rate of 2.4 goals per game. Last season the 7 goals scored against us in our opening five fixtures came at a rate of just 1.4 per game.

Sticking with defending, our tackling numbers have dropped dramatically. Last season we won 51% of tackles in the first 5 games, this season is is down to just 38%.

Offensively, it's just as bad. Last year we netted an impressive 16 goals in the first 5 games, a rate of 3.2 goals per game. This season that is down to just 7 goals, an average of only 1.4 goals per game.

Our drop in shot accuracy will be a concern for Mourinho. Last season it sat at a respectable 53%. This season Chelsea's shooting accuracy is down to a less impressive 42%.

Surprisingly we are actually enjoying more possession this season, from 51% last year to 54% this year. Furthermore, our passing accuracy sits at 84% this term, just as it was in their first 5 games last season.

The numbers show that we are enjoying as much of the ball as we did last season. However, the lack of firepower in attack and defensive frailties have taken us from 13 points in 5 games last season to just 4 this season and in-turn dropping 16 league places from top last year to now just one place above the relegation zone this year.

raumdeuter:
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because it doesn't make sense to me that just 1 player would be responsible for a club to collapse defensively. What makes a defence work or fail goes beyond just one player

Do you think replacing Ivanovic in those games would have meant a better result?

I hope he gets injured or benched so we can put this theory to test

If you put Azpilicueta there....traffic on that lane will slow down considerably.

Nihilist:


If you put Azpilicueta there....traffic on that lane will slow down considerably.

I dont agree and follow me on this. I saw this on a website and I am copying. I find the analysis more concise and descriptive than the usual cross came from Ivanovic side The game vs Everton

In the first scene Costa is isolated in trying to apply pressure from the front, Everton easily outnumber him and progress the play. Barry then has acres of space to move forwards into although this is not problematic for Chelsea at the moment as the midfield line is quite well positioned. He thus decides to play the ball wide to Galloway in an attempt to weaken Chelsea’s central focus



Matic and Mikel have to screen the all-important 10 space (white rectangle) to avoid being penetrated centrally. As Everton play the ball wide they will have to move as a pair to prevent the 10 space opening up. However their movements lacked co-ordination as Mikel pushed up ever so slightly to the right, while Matic remained still, this created the slightest space for Naismith to receive the ball between the lines.



Both Matic and Mikel begin to apply backwards pressure but Naismith loses them with a quick step over, fooling them into thinking he was passing backwards. This bought him a crucial second to provoke the situation and commit Ivanovic by holding onto the ball. This in turn gave Galloway time to pick out his cross into the box and Naismith managed to ghost in escaping the attentions of Matic, Terry and Zouma. From a Chelsea point of view this was a shocking goal to concede, Matic and Zouma were drawn towards the ball too easily when it was played to Galloway and failed to track the run of Naismith. From the outside there appears to have been a lack of communication, it is difficult in such a short space of time but one of Matic or Zouma needed to track Naismith with the other moving out wide to reduce the distance to Ivanovic.

Now read this tell me why Ivanovic is the most culpable of Chelsea defensive players

Pick out any thing you dont agree with before we move to the second goal

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My observation.

1. The ineffective pressing from Costa and Chelsea. Its either you want to press or not. sending one person uptop is a waste of energy. WHat was the coaching instruction on pressing?

2. Barry carried the ball for acres of space unchallenged. Defence doesnt start in your box, Its starts from the top. what were the midfielders doing to allow Barry that much space?

3. Mikel and Matic were wasted by a Naismith move and he approached the defence forcing the entire defence to move out of shape. Naismith move meant Kone, Lukaku Galloway and Naismith faced 3 Chelsea defenders. 2 central and Ivanovic who had to shift his attention to the middle and thus leaving Galloway free. If 2 DM's in Mikel and Matic are going to be wasted in a move then you have more problems to look at

4. Galloway had time to pick the cross because Ivanovic had to attend to the danger in the middle. (A symptom of bigger issues in the build up play

5. Naismith ghosted past 2 Chelsea CB and Matic who has now recovered to score an unchallenged header

WHich of these do you disagree with and how is Ivanovic to blame here

I'm not exactly sure what your point is Dayo...

It seems like you dont seem to understand the idea 'Ivanovic being the weakest link' and 'Chelsea's backline being abit rubbish' are not mutually exclusive.

Mikel was useless against Everton, hence he was the first to be hooked.

But the 1st 2 goals came from Ivanovic's flank.

Even the website you're quoting has this to say

'With no danger directly behind him, Ivanovic could and should have closed Naismith down quicker to try and prevent the shot.'

Nihilist:
I'm not exactly sure what your point is Dayo...

It seems like you dont seem to understand the idea 'Ivanovic being the weakest link' and 'Chelsea's backline being abit rubbish' are not mutually exclusive.

Mikel was useless against Everton, hence he was the first to be hooked.

But the 1st 2 goals came from Ivanovic's flank.

Even the website you're quoting has this to say

'With no danger directly behind him, Ivanovic could and should have closed Naismith down quicker to try and prevent the shot.'

That was just 1 of 3 goals. Ivanovic was partly responsible for that second goal and I am asking, How is he more culpable than Matic, Mikel, the 2 CB Fabregas and others who had defensive duties

The goal came from his flank why? The first goal he had to leave his flank to cover for 2 DM who were taken out by Naismith

SHould Iva just stay on his flank and say "No be me Naismith dribble"? If the 2 DM had done their job on Naismith there wont be a pass to Galloway, And Naismith getting a free header between 3 defenders goes beyond Ivanovic

Analysis galore. Anyway, this our problem done pass tactics. It is spiritual, which is why I'm taking a trip home to sacrifice 2 white goats to Fenibeso.

raumdeuter:


That was just 1 of 3 goals. Ivanovic was partly responsible for that second goal and I am asking, How is he more culpable than Matic, Mikel, the 2 CB Fabregas and others who had defensive duties

Bros I'm talking about 5 games, you're trying to focus on one game.

The question you should be asking is, why did Everton chose to focus their attacks on the right flank for the first two goals?

In the description for the the first goal you posted, you can see that Naismith commited Ivanovic, and allowed his Full back to score. Look at the picture again and ask yourself what Ivanovic is doing so far in field, he's practically at Centre Back.

This thing is very simple to see. When your defender is the 2nd most dribbled player in the team, when the majority of the opponents chances and crosses keep coming from the area he's supposed to be defending....you have to ask what he is doing...and why?

raumdeuter:


That was just 1 of 3 goals. Ivanovic was partly responsible for that second goal and I am asking, How is he more culpable than Matic, Mikel, the 2 CB Fabregas and others who had defensive duties

The goal came from his flank why? The first goal he had to leave his flank to cover for 2 DM who were taken out by Naismith

SHould Iva just stay on his flank and say "No be me Naismith dribble"? If the 2 DM had done their job on Naismith there wont be a pass to Galloway, And Naismith getting a free header between 3 defenders goes beyond Ivanovic

Look at the picture again, and go and watch it again. Ivanovic has no business following Naismith to the middle of the park. It is the place that he was supposed to be guarding that the Assister is actually standing in.

This is footy 101.

I dont need a 17 year old blogger to interpret what I can see with my korokoro eyes.

Nihilist:


Bros I'm talking about 5 games, you're trying to focus on one game.

The question you should be asking is, why did Everton chose to focus their attacks on the right flank for the first two goals?

In the description for the the first goal you posted, you can see that Naismith commited Ivanovic, and allowed his Full back to score. Look at the picture again and ask yourself what Ivanovic is doing so far in field, he's practically at Centre Back.

This thing is very simple to see. When your defender is the 2nd most dribbled player in the team, when the majority of the opponents chances and crosses keep coming from the area he's supposed to be defending....you have to ask what he is doing...and why?

When Naismith has taken out 2 DM with Kone and Lukaku 1vs 1 with the 2 CB, what should Iva do?

Stay in his flank and allow Naismith run on goal? EVen Azpi had to tuck in to try and match Evertons superior number.

That goal came from the failure in midfield mainly and some from defenders

Nihilist:


Look at the picture again, and go and watch it again. Ivanovic has no business following Naismith to the middle of the park. It is the place that he was supposed to be guarding that the Assister is actually standing in.

This is footy 101.

I dont need a 17 year old blogger to interpret what I can see with my korokoro eyes.

After Naismith had taken out the 2 CM and running towards goal what should the 3 defenders do? leave him to run ?

raumdeuter:


After Naismith had taken out the 2 CM and running towards goal what should the 3 defenders do? leave him to run ?

Naismith only had the ball once in that area. It's not like he checked inside with the ball at his feet.

Ivanovic can see the overlapping fullback

Pass the man to your DM and stick to your opposing number

This is the movement for the 3rd goal, Barkley was running freely on goal after leaving Matic and Azpi behind, Should Terry wait in the box since Barkley isnt his man?

Nihilist:


Naismith only had the ball once in that area. It's not like he checked inside with the ball at his feet.

Ivanovic can see the overlapping fullback

Pass the man to your DM and stick to your opposing number

Watch again. Naismith touched the ball at least 3 times after he had gone behind Matic and Mikel.

raumdeuter:
This is the movement for the 3rd goal, Barkley was running freely on goal after leaving Matic and Azpi behind, Should Terry wait in the box since Barkley isnt his man?

Is that not a central area? Is Terry not a central defender?

Do you think the word 'central' is just a nick name?

This is a video from Neville on the difference between Chelsea of last season . ANd the emphasis was on the midfield who failed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jhIqRX7Da0

raumdeuter:


Watch again. Naismith touched the ball at least 3 times after he had gone behind Matic and Mikel.

He wasn't running with the ball, he wasn't checking inside.

I agree that Mikel was just an ediot, but surely you can see that the fact that Ivanovic stepped inside left the Galloway free to cross one of the 60+ crosses that have come from Ivanovic's wing?

Surely the fact that a goal was scored, shows that Ivanovic's decision was ultimately the wrong one?

Pay attention Dayo.

raumdeuter:


I run a discrimination policy based on intelligence. If you understand what that means then you'll know I don't and won't respond to everyone.

Glorify them with a response and they would consider that month a success. Ignore them and let them face the reality that their reach isn't long enough, their wits ain't strong enough. They remain inconsequential

You two shouldn't take this too serious, ds una beef nawa oh.

Chelseafan1:


You two shouldn't take this too serious, ds una beef nawa oh.

Asin!!!

Nihilist you still think Ivanovic is the problem?

From that Neville clip I would paraphrase the 3 goals last Saturday

Neville: I believe goals was as a result of the midfield. If you look at what Matic and Mikel did there its so poor, very poor. Matic gets the run of Naismith he lets it go. Thats not the Matic we know from last season

Second goal: Theres no way in my mind, Nemanja Matic would have let someone out of that space last season. Get in that tackle, get his foot in, being aggresive. Mikel should be here, the midfield is now all at sea. This Chelsea back who were protected briliantly last season are now more exposed than ever.

Third goal: For some reason Willian stops moving with his midfield partners, the ball is played to Barkley, Matic again should win the tackle, rather he gets one-twoed and suddenly the nightmare scenario of John Tery facing 2 players happen, how many times did we see Terry facing 2 on 1 last season

Thats from Neville o, Not a 17yr old blogger

One of the goals that came from Ivanovic wing, shows it was Zouma marking the crosser

raumdeuter:
One of the goals that came from Ivanovic wing, shows it was Zouma marking the crosser

I remember the goal clearly.. It was a counter, then Bolasie slowed down and Iva was Walking, the whole hostel was screaming for the guy to run down and Mark,as if everyone knew what was coming... Zouma had to do the marking for him

If Iva wasn't lazy, we wouldn't be talking about that goal
When was the last time he played a pinpoint cross
The whole Chelsea fan base is blaming Iva,we can't be stupid......

Chelsea team tonight: Begovic; Azpilicueta, Zouma, Cahill (c), Baba Rahman; Loftus-Cheek, Fabregas; Willian, Oscar, Hazard; Remy. #CFC

Ibime:
Analysis galore. Anyway, this our problem done pass tactics. It is spiritual, which is why I'm taking a trip home to sacrifice 2 white goats to Fenibeso.

Exactlyyyyyyy
Before that community shield game, I told my Chelsea friend that Mourinho will be embarrassed this season! I told him that all those coaches(Wenger and pellegrini) that mourinho insulted last season will defeat him this season! It has started - Wenger will still beat Mou again this season! His cries have reached Heaven!