coogar:


so hazard is better than neymar, david silva and alexi sanchez?

mention one season in the last 10 years that hazard outperformed those 3 players.
i have thrown down the gauntlet......take the challenge.

Last ten years? How old was Neymar, Sanchez n hazard last ten years? Or you mean to say last 5 years. Where were you last season when hazard was running riot on epl defenders that awarded him epl POTY, show me Neymar n Sanchez individual award last season?

coogar:


PFA player is a popularity contest.....
paul scholes never won the PFA player at any point in his life....he's the greatest English midfielder in history.

put the raw statistics on the floor and let's analyse one season hazard was better than david silva.
we would look at goals scored, assists made, open goals, awoof penalties, etc.

oya....start researching!

Oh,we should look at goals scored,assist made,open goals and penalties.... and in the same comment I can see Scholes >Lampard and Gerrard........How is he better
You are special

Mourinholic:

Oh,we should look at goals scored,assist made,open goals and penalties.... and in the same comment I can see Scholes >Lampard and Gerrard........How is he better
You are special

you are a late comer to this thread.
i have already used stats to prove scholes scored more open goals, made more open play
assists per minute than any of gerrard/lampard. if you remove lampard's 100 penalties and gerrard's
200 penalties for liverpool, they are nowhere near paul scholes as far as productivity is concerned.

biko, stop mentioning lampard where scholes is concerned.
there's a difference between maybach benz and VW passat.
scholes na world class player. lampard/gerrard are just great players.

Mourinholic:

Oh,we should look at goals scored,assist made,open goals and penalties.... and in the same comment I can see Scholes >Lampard and Gerrard........How is he better
You are special

Scholes is better than Gerrard.

Lampard though? Never! But we had this argument on Manyoo thread last year. Or was it 2 years ago sef?

coogar:


you are a late comer to this thread.
i have already used stats to prove scholes scored more open goals, made more open play
assists per minute than any of gerrard/lampard. if you remove lampard's 100 penalties and gerrard's
200 penalties for liverpool, they are nowhere near paul scholes as far as productivity is concerned.

biko, stop mentioning lampard where scholes is concerned.
there's a difference between maybach benz and VW passat.
scholes na world class player. lampard/gerrard are just great players.

What are Scholes numbers in the hall of fame? Compare to Lampard.

Oya 'risashh'!

Nihilist:


Scholes is better than Gerrard.

Lampard though? Never! But we had this argument on Manyoo thread last year. Or was it 2 years ago sef?

Yup ,he is better than Gerrard...I know that

coogar:


you are a late comer to this thread.
i have already used stats to prove scholes scored more open goals, made more open play
assists per minute than any of gerrard/lampard. if you remove lampard's 100 penalties and gerrard's
200 penalties for liverpool, they are nowhere near paul scholes as far as productivity is concerned.

biko, stop mentioning lampard where scholes is concerned.
there's a difference between maybach benz and VW passat.
scholes na world class player. lampard/gerrard are just great players.

Kindly do the same for Hazard ,Silva and Sanchez

Nihilist:


What are Scholes numbers in the hall of fame? Compare to Lampard.

Oya 'risashh'!

scholes - 138 assists
120 open play + 18 set play

lampard - 173 assists
115 open play + 58 set play


lampard had 173 assists in 47,934 league minutes.......scholes had 138 assists in 36,086 league minutes for man utd.

whether open play or set play, scholes copped 1 assist in every 261 league minutes in his career. lampard copped 1 assist in every 277 league minutes in his entire career.

don't compare scholes to lampard, abeg. lampard would wish to be scholes in the after life.

Mourinholic:

Kindly do the same for Hazard ,Silva and Sanchez

silva beats hazard everyday of the week in productivity.
what puts hazard on the headlines is his awoof penalties and huge number of minutes he gets to play.
but we are statisticians.....any fool can score penalties and min/games is a better standard of looking
at player comparisons. on what planet can hazard ball than sanchez and silva?

Another Hazard hating again.

What's this popularity contest sef? What makes Hazard more popular than Silva and Sanchez for him to have won the award ahead of them? Maybe his teammates influence the voting more than Silva and Sanchez teammates? I just don't understand.

timbros:
Another Hazard hating again.

What's this popularity contest sef? What makes Hazard more popular than Silva and Sanchez for him to have won the award ahead of them? Maybe his teammates influence the voting more than Silva and Sanchez teammates? I just don't understand.

for a start.....hazard's team won the league.
secondly....hazard scored more penalties that resulted into goals that won chelsea several games.
he had his name on the headlines more than the others cos he scored more awoof penalties than
the others. if you actually look at the game input of the top players, hazard had the least productivity.

cesc and costa played more important role in chelsea's league victory than hazard.

coogar:


you are a late comer to this thread.
i have already used stats to prove scholes scored more open goals, made more open play
assists per minute than any of gerrard/lampard. if you remove lampard's 100 penalties and gerrard's
200 penalties for liverpool, they are nowhere near paul scholes as far as productivity is concerned.

biko, stop mentioning lampard where scholes is concerned.
there's a difference between maybach benz and VW passat.
scholes na world class player. lampard/gerrard are just great players.

What made scholes a world class and lampard great player? #waiting.

raumdeuter:


I disagree with the bold. There are times where there is actually a drought of talents either nationally or globally

That you are top 3 among the crap left wouldnt make you world class in my book. E.g there is a scarcity of top full backs in football currently especially under 30yrs, That wouldnt suddenly make Luke Shaw, Ricardo Rodriguez or Coentrao world class players assuming they are the top 3 left in the world when the senior ones have retired

E.g due to exuberant talents in his position when he was at his peak, someone like Totti might never get to be top 3 in his position

Thats why I think setting the bar it doesnt matter if 20 players make it now or only 1 person make it at another time

Who ever expected that 2 players Ronaldo and Messi will consistently give phenomenal performances for years which has made all believe they are world class.

So if in the future like 12 players come around to make the exploits of Ronaldo & Messi look like pub players they (Ronnie & Messi) automatically cease to become world class because it would mean there was a dearth of talent during their time?

coogar:


scholes - 138 assists
120 open play + 18 set play

lampard - 173 assists
115 open play + 58 set play


lampard had 173 assists in 47,934 league minutes.......scholes had 138 assists in 36,086 league minutes for man utd.

whether open play or set play, scholes copped 1 assist in every 261 league minutes in his career. lampard copped 1 assist in every 277 league minutes in his entire career.

don't compare scholes to lampard, abeg. lampard would wish to be scholes in the after life.



silva beats hazard everyday of the week in productivity.
what puts hazard on the headlines is his awoof penalties and huge number of minutes he gets to play.
but we are statisticians.....any fool can score penalties and min/games is a better standard of looking
at player comparisons. on what planet can hazard ball than sanchez and silva?

Your sentiment is alarming. Scholes was CM while lampard was AMF, why use only assist? What of goals scored, individual award. Lampard was 2nd best player in the world behind ronaldinho. Lampard was world class player, scholes was man united/epl great.

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coogar:


for a start.....hazard's team won the league.
secondly....hazard scored more penalties that resulted into goals that won chelsea several games.
he had his name on the headlines more than the others cos he scored more awoof penalties than
the others. if you actually look at the game input of the top players, hazard had the least productivity.

cesc and costa played more important role in chelsea's league victory than hazard.

First of all, penalty is not awoof goal. There are tons of stars that missed penalties that cost their team trophies. Baggio '94, Terry '08 are just examples.

Talking about making headlines, I don't think Hazard made headlines as much as Kane did last season. Kane should have won the award if the popularity was about making headlines.

On who played more important role in Chelsea's league victory, that is another debate all together but the way I see it, if Chelsea were to depend on just Cesc and Costa, we wouldn't have won the league.

As at January 1st, Chelsea was just ahead of Man City because of alphabetical advantage. And from that period (beginning of 2nd half of the season) Cesc's form dropped drastically. Costa went on series of bans and injury. It was only Hazard that was carrying the team, creating chances, assisting, scoring crucial goals (e.g vs Man Utd) etc..

raumdeuter:


Ferdinand is 5 levels below Puyol and Ayala

can you rank according to "levels" 1-10
Puyol
Thuram
Kuffour
Pique
Koeman
Stam
Terry
Hierro
Ramos
Vidic
Canavaro
Zanetti
Ferdinand
Boateng
Hummels

SailorXY:
can you rank according to "levels" 1-10
Puyol
Thuram
Kuffour
Pique
Koeman
Stam
Terry
Hierro
Ramos
Vidic
Canavaro
Zanetti
Ferdinand
Boateng
Hummels

Why bother?
You already know the answer is:

Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng
Boateng

Mourinholic:
Boateng is above Ferdinand and Terry......
Honestly its high time we admitted Boateng is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand, I mean damn,give boateng some credit....he singlehandedly won Germany the world cup........

He is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand and TERRY G,you guys are just hating on Boateng

My belle o.

Mourinholic:
Boateng is above Ferdinand and Terry......
Honestly its high time we admitted Boateng is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand, I mean damn,give boateng some credit....he singlehandedly won Germany the world cup........

He is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand and TERRY G,you guys are just hating on Boateng

Someone archive this post, it's got to be the finest sarcasm I've read in eons.

coogar:


PFA player is a popularity contest.....
paul scholes never won the PFA player at any point in his life....he's the greatest English midfielder in history.

put the raw statistics on the floor and let's analyse one season hazard was better than david silva.
we would look at goals scored, assists made, open goals, awoof penalties, etc.

oya....start researching!

Do elucidate this your ''popularity contest'' theory.

When JT won the PFA award in 2004/05 he wasn't scoring awoof pens that could have easily had him making the headlines yet he won it. What then coulda won him the award?

I'm guessing you'd pick ''overall performance'' - the sole criterion that also won it for Hazard. So what are you not telling this house?

SailorXY:
can you rank according to "levels" 1-10
Puyol
Thuram
Kuffour
Pique
Koeman
Stam
Terry
Hierro
Ramos
Vidic
Canavaro
Zanetti
Ferdinand
Boateng
Hummels

Puyol 9
Thuram
Kuffour 6
Pique 7
Koeman 7
Stam 8
Terry 5
Hierro 6
Ramos 7
Vidic 8
Canavaro 11
Zanetti Not a central defender
Ferdinand 4.5
Boateng 7
Hummels 6

Nesta 12
Maldini 13
Sammer 13

codedguy1:


Who ever expected that 2 players Ronaldo and Messi will consistently give phenomenal performances for years which has made all believe they are world class.

So if in the future like 12 players come around to make the exploits of Ronaldo & Messi look like pub players they (Ronnie & Messi) automatically cease to become world class because it would mean there was a dearth of talent during their time?

I am not sure you understand
Ronaldo and Messi already crossed the bar and they are already world class

If in the future 12 players come and make Messi look like pub players then logic dictates that they would also be World class players.
Michael Owen won ballon D or but to me he was never world class

Kaka Rivaldo Figo Owen Shevchenko all won Ballon D or but no one would tell you they are below Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo Lima and Ronaldinho in talent

Mourinho: "I think in this country, only one
manager is not under pressure. Steve-under
pressure, I am under pressure, Brendan,
Pellegrini'

Mourinho: "There is only one who manager not on this list. Good for him. Can speak about referees, can push in technical area, he can not achieve, keep his job, still be the king."

Wenger don suffer.......I will sell my dad property just to be in mourinho press conference!!!

Mourinholic:
Mourinho: "There is only one who manager
not on this list. Good for him. Can speak
about referees, can push in technical area, he can not achieve, keep his job,
still be the king."

Arsene Wenger Will Resign Just because of Mou if care is not taken......

AirborneLacer:


Do elucidate this your ''popularity contest'' theory.

When JT won the PFA award in 2004/05 he wasn't scoring awoof pens that could have easily had him making the headlines yet he won it. What then coulda won him the award?

I'm guessing you'd pick ''overall performance'' - the sole criterion that also won it for Hazard. So what are you not telling this house?

Maybe Terry won because he was nyanshing the Wags.
Coogar would say anything to win an argument. If hazard was playing for Man United, he would have facts to back up hazard being better than neymar et Al.

If he can defend Anderson and falcao, bro you have no case.

I said on a scale of 1-10 recalculated thus

raumdeuter:


Puyol 6
Thuram ?? ??
Kuffour 3
Pique 4
Koeman 4
Stam 5
Terry 2
Hierro 3
Ramos 4
Vidic 5
Canavaro 9
Zanetti Not a central defender
Ferdinand 1.5
Boateng 4
Hummels 3

Nesta 9
Maldini 10
Sammer 10 I didn't see this fellow, how does Bobby Moore compare to him anyway? Maybe 0.5 for being British

just 2 simple questions from your ratings... I know you like to talk about trophies & whatnots
How is Ramos better than Ferdinand?
& how is Vidic better than Pique

SailorXY:
I said on a scale of 1-10 recalculated thus
just 2 simple questions from your ratings... I know you like to talk about trophies & whatnots
How is Ramos better than Ferdinand?
& how is Vidic better than Pique

I see you modified my ratings? Why would you do that? you can as well rate on yours

Sergio Ramos performance in the CL final 2014, Rio has never done that at any final in his career, World cup winner, euro cup winner. In the next 2 yrs If he keeps performance up he would be a 8-9. Just like Boateng

Just like in 2 yrs I see Pique reaching Vidics level

You didnt see Sammer but you saw Koeman? How did that happen

If na 1-10 strictly

Puyol 8
Thuram
Kuffour 6
Pique 7
Koeman
Stam 8
Terry 4
Hierro 5
Ramos 7
Vidic 8
Canavaro 9
Zanetti
Ferdinand 3
Boateng 7
Hummels 6

Maldini 10
Nesta 9
Sammer 10

Thuram was also a full back for majority of his career

Endless Arguments

Spits

raumdeuter:


I see you modified my ratings? Why would you do that? you can as well rate on yours

Sergio Ramos performance in the CL final 2014, Rio has never done that at any final in his career, World cup winner, euro cup winner. In the next 2 yrs If he keeps performance up he would be a 10. Just like Boateng

Just like in 2 yrs I see Pique reaching Vidics level

You didnt see Sammer but you saw Koeman? How did that happen

I recalculated to squeeze it into 1-10. I didn't see Koeman live, I saw enough old Barca clips to know his strengths & weaknesses.

You are now seeing futures, make we no disturb this thread
Ramos 'performance' would be scoring a goal in UCL final, no? can we also say Sol Campbell is a 4?
Yes or No question

Ferdinand is five levels below Puyol. Comdey on Mt-45.