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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Chelseafan1: 8:47am On Oct 01, 2015
Mourinholic:
The same Maccabi that defeated Basel.......Even Abraham, the father of faith will give up on some idiots on this thread regaining their sense

You dey mind doz animals looking for cheap ways to run their mouths.
Awon oloshi, alainironu.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 8:54am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:


That's because he doesn't influence games enough....

Aside his goals & assists, mata has been anonymous in many of our matches this season.

I wouldn't drop him from the starting 11 though..
How many players in Europe even influence matches that much?. Bar Silva in EPL I'm still thinking of anyone else.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Caveatemptor(m): 8:57am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:


That's because he doesn't influence games enough....

Aside his goals & assists, mata has been anonymous in many of our matches this season.

I wouldn't drop him from the starting 11 though..

Mata has improved this season.
The back heeled flick for Smalling and Uniteds second goal last night was audacious and the sign of a player coming to terms with his role in the team as well as his responsibility.
The fact that Van Gaal has got him taking penalties for the team ahead of Rooney shows that Van Gaal believes and trusts in him.
Now if Van Gaal could just grow an extra pair and drop Rooney to the bench and play Mata in his natural role...............
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 8:59am On Oct 01, 2015
Leyqute:


You wan start argument this morning grin grin
they've become even ashamed of trying to defend him. No one yesterday to score for him or push him to score.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:05am On Oct 01, 2015
chrisley024:
they've become even ashamed of trying to defend him. No one yesterday to score for him or push him to score.

Yeah, true. Imagine if Rooney scored a brace yesterday... we'd have had 5 pages of quotes from articles dated years ago from a certain guy who has affinity for pace and power.

However White Pele gave a little bit more effort yesterday. So little such that you can only detect it with the aid of a microscope. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:08am On Oct 01, 2015
Pataki, elfemeno1 (or whatever his ashewo monicker is) are you guys ready for the weekend?

The disgrace wey Cech miss for Tuesday na dis weekend e go get am grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 9:08am On Oct 01, 2015
chrisley024:
How many players in Europe even influence matches that much?. Bar Silva in EPL I'm still thinking of anyone else.


• Carzola (last season)
• James Rodriguez
• Isco
• Coutihno

Ps : they aren't on the same level with silva but they still influence games (to a very considerable extent) for their respective clubs.

Mata is becoming an inzaghi-esque #10 - scoring chance goals & providing assists without necessarily pulling his weight as an attacker.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 9:32am On Oct 01, 2015
chrisley024:
keep it up Mata cool

funny we don't hear people singing his praise but some here would've filled pages with long writeups if he was the white Pele.
I've given up on understanding Mata's role in our team.
To us fans he doesn't look like he is the right fit or even playing well from that position but come match ending he go don score goal and grab plenty assist join.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 9:41am On Oct 01, 2015
Caveatemptor:


Mata has improved this season.
The back heeled flick for Smalling and Uniteds second goal last night was audacious and the sign of a player coming to terms with his role in the team as well as his responsibility.

Mata's talent & technique has never been in doubt - some of the breathtaking goals he scored even at Chelsea, allude to this fact.

However, as regards this "responsibility" you're talking about, I'm yet to see a dominant performance from mata.

Caveatemptor:


The fact that Van Gaal has got him taking penalties for the team ahead of Rooney shows that Van Gaal believes and trusts in him.
Now if Van Gaal could just grow an extra pair and drop Rooney to the bench and play Mata in his natural role...............

You might be correct but let's be sincere with ourselves ...considering the duties & attributes of a natural #10, has mata actually shown that he's ready to take up that role & thrive there??

#timewilltell#
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pamcode(m): 9:56am On Oct 01, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Rooney:

1 shot
0 on target
0 dribbles completed
0 assists
0 goals

Disgusting stats for a striker meant to be our captain!!
Am telling you the title 'Captain' has suffered no more leadership by example, it like just anybody can just pull the band because he is the oldest or one of the oldest member reminds me of a certain captain of ours whose side of the field is one of the reasons we are where we are.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:13am On Oct 01, 2015
SIRcumalot:

I've given up on understanding Mata's role in our team.
To us fans he doesn't look like he is the right fit or even playing well from that position but come match ending he go don score goal and grab plenty assist join.
haha! Me Confuse sef. More interested in the goals and assists though while our 2 CM should control the game.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 10:17am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:



• Carzola (last season)
• James Rodriguez
• Isco
• Coutihno

Ps : they aren't on the same level with silva but they still influence games (to a very considerable extent) for their respective clubs.

Mata is becoming an inzaghi-esque #10 - scoring chance goals & providing assists without necessarily pulling his weight as an attacker.
Apart from James Rodriguez, the other players you mentioned are not on same level as Mata when it comes to creativity. In the EPL alone, the most creative players are Silva, Mata and Ozil in a distant 3rd.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:20am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:



• Carzola (last season)
• James Rodriguez
• Isco
• Coutihno

Ps : they aren't on the same level with silva but they still influence games (to a very considerable extent) for their respective clubs.

Mata is becoming an inzaghi-esque #10 - scoring chance goals & providing assists without necessarily pulling his weight as an attacker.
Is he actually our no.10 cos you see him more in the box finding spaces than the player playing behind the CF eg. Rooney.

Dude creates the most chances in this team and has the most intelligent movement off the ball to find spaces in the box.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 10:24am On Oct 01, 2015
BTW, Schneiderlin was lucky to escape a red card yesterday. Only God knows how he escaped that second yellow card offence when i was already shouting "red card". But i really like what he did, we gave the ball away on the attack, they went on the counter which might have resulted to a goal but schneiderlin threw himself on the line and brought the player down. Meanwhile, as all these took place, Rooney was watching from afar confused. Who Rooney help self? Attack 0 defence 0 Midfield 0.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mourinholic(m): 10:40am On Oct 01, 2015
You don't want Rooney? Try having Ivanovic as a captain
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 10:42am On Oct 01, 2015
All the Rooney talk dey outdated now, e dey scratch for ear!

Besides I see some tadpoles wriggled in murky waters when we concede grin

Is the bad belle now so bad they can't even wait for United to lose first?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 10:43am On Oct 01, 2015
UniqueGem:
BTW, Schneiderlin was lucky to escape a red card yesterday. Only God knows how he escaped that second yellow card offence when i was already shouting "red card". But i really like what he did, we gave the ball away on the attack, they went on the counter which might have resulted to a goal but schneiderlin threw himself on the line and brought the player down. Meanwhile, as all these took place, Rooney was watching from afar confused. Who Rooney help self? Attack 0 defence 0 Midfield 0.
Rooney Blocked a goal bound shot.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 10:46am On Oct 01, 2015
UniqueGem:
Apart from James Rodriguez, the other players you mentioned are not on same level as Mata when it comes to creativity. In the EPL alone, the most creativeplayers are Silva, Mata and Ozil in a distant 3rd.

Dadehmola:

• Carzola (last season)
• James Rodriguez
• Isco
• Coutihno
Ps : they aren't on the same level with silva but they still influence games (to a very considerable extent) for their respective clubs.
Mata is becoming an inzaghi-esque #10 - scoring chance goals & providing assists without necessarily pulling his weight as an attacker.


chrisley024:
Is he actually our no.10 cos you see him more in the box finding spaces than the player playing behind the CF eg. Rooney.
Dude creates the most chances in this team and has the most intelligent movement off the ball to find spaces in the box.

That's why the two bolded words(creative & influence ) cannot be used interchangeably (at least in this context)..

David silva is actually a combination of both - he dictates play for his team majorly because he does wonderful things with the ball even in tight spaces.

Though an intelligent player, Mata on the other hand cannot protect the ball, draw fouls from the opponents & delay a key pass till the right moment when marked closely (the basic things I look out for in a #10).
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 10:48am On Oct 01, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Rooney Blocked a goal bound shot.
Rooney fluffed a shot destined for the back of the net. There was a certain time Rooney could move from being our last man in defense to finisher of a counter move all in 27sec. But now, the ball even evades him.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 10:54am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:






That's why the two bolded words(creative & influence ) cannot be used interchangeably (at least in this context)..

David silva is actually a combination of both - he dictates play for his team majorly because he does wonderful things with the ball even in tight spaces.

Though an intelligent player, [Mata on the other hand cannot protect the ball, draw fouls from the opponents & delay a key pass till the right moment when marked closely (the basic things I look out for in a #10).
No matter the area you want to look at attributes from, Cazorla, more especially Coutinho shouldn't be grouped with Mata.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 10:57am On Oct 01, 2015
UniqueGem:
No matter the area you want to look at attributes from, Cazorla, more especially Coutinho shouldn't be grouped with Mata.

I think my explanation is apt & clear enough.

I have underlined the areas in which these players are better than Mata & I have also pointed out Mata's strengths..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:57am On Oct 01, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Rooney Blocked a goal bound shot.
Oh! Congrats to him. He missed a sitter in the first half but blocked a goal bound shot so all is forgiving!! undecided
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 11:00am On Oct 01, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Oh! Congrats to him. He missed a sitter in the first half but blocked a goal bound shot so all is forgiving!! undecided
Yeah it is !!
UniqueGem
Said he had no contribution on both the offense and defense. I just pointed that out to say it isn't so.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by funlord(m): 11:04am On Oct 01, 2015
cool

Am I the only 1 who was glad that van gaal told rooney not to take that penalty yesterday? Based on his current form na 4 parking lot dem 4 pick the ball!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 11:20am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:


That's because he doesn't influence games enough....

Aside his goals & assists, mata has been anonymous in many of our matches this season.

I wouldn't drop him from the starting 11 though..

I concur.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:24am On Oct 01, 2015
funlord:
cool

Am I the only 1 who was glad that van gaal told rooney not to take that penalty yesterday? Based on his current form na 4 parking lot dem 4 pick the ball!
Rooney has been dropped as our PK taker since he missed at Anfield last season. Mata has been our number 1 Spot kick taker ever since. Followed by Herrera i guess....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:24am On Oct 01, 2015
UniqueGem:
Rooney fluffed a shot destined for the back of the net. There was a certain time Rooney could move from being our last man in defense to finisher of a counter move all in 27sec. But now, the ball even evades him.

Which incidence was this?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:26am On Oct 01, 2015
sinizia:


Congrats on wasting your time arguing with Dayo. At least you've learnt about his post-shifting skills.
Lool! I swear, the tin tire me
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:27am On Oct 01, 2015
chrisley024:
they've become even ashamed of trying to defend him. No one yesterday to score for him or push him to score.

He has 5 goals. Who scored them, opposition?

.... No one to defend him but Scholes defended him. Scholes his great critic.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 11:28am On Oct 01, 2015
elampiro:


Which incidence was this?

The shameful miss, I guess..

Elampiro, that chance was a clear sitter but your fat idol skied it towards Mars.

Rooney is a disgrace to the club!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 11:30am On Oct 01, 2015
elampiro:

Which incidence was this?
You watch match?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:34am On Oct 01, 2015
Dadehmola:


The shameful miss, I guess..

Elampiro, that chance was a clear sitter but your fat idol skied it towards Mars.

Rooney is a disgrace to the club!!

I thought they meant he blocked a ball going into the net.

Well, it can happen when one is low in confidence. He has been criticized too often of not hitting the ball first time, so he didn't want to stop it. Gaal must have hammered him at half time which probably resulted in him getting low in the second half.

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