KingEbukasBlog:


Know one knows how the words of God clearly brought forth life . The idea of the smart house was the simplest explanation - you know considering your level of understanding .

Issuing commands using Siri of the iPhone gets your needs done . Its a design and it obeys your command .

An eternal non-material - spirit- entity who spoke light into being because of the power he possesses is beyond your comprehension ? No offense but I can understand why tho

You are ridiculous. So because the writer of the passage in genesis thought some God idea he imagined spoke some elusive light into being makes it true, right? I keep telling you that the God you speak about are the writers of the bible for without them you will have no God or be worshiping some other God idea invented by some other people. God is non material yet the bible describes him as having body parts(Moses allegedly saw his back parts) and some of the writers say that he sits on a throne in heaven(Book of revelation). is a throne a non material thing? How does a non material being have body parts and sit on a throne?

cloudgoddess:

Yes, I did. How else would I have gone about finding those links? Am I supposed to have memorized the URL's in my head?

Is there another way to access information online & share it, other than typing it into a search bar and copying the link? If so, please inform me on these methods.

He does not realize when he easily fools himself just defending an imaginary being. I dont taken him seriously. He is obviously half educated.

KingEbukasBlog:


Mtcheew . Please go back to school .I cant be repeating the same thing all over again . Your hate for this "non-existent" God is clouding your sense of reasoning .

Evolution has been debunked all over and all over again . Its gets more hilarious when evolutionists now turn their backs on the theory when it became glaring that most holes in theory were patched with assumptions

Sometimes you should learn to just shut up. She has got you begging for mercy hasn't she? Who debunked evolution? What has that got to do With responding to her like a gentle man.

frank317:


Sometimes you should learn to just shut up. She has got you begging for mercy hasn't she? Who debunked evolution? What has that got to do With responding to her like a gentle man.

Idiot .I kept explaining that there are evolutionists who are Christians and the even the Catholic Church have concluded that the genesis account of creation is allegorical , accepting evolution and she keeps insinuating that evolution still rules out God . She seems angry because she thought evolution meant bye bye God

Then to continue the interesting argument and to annoy her the way she annoyed me, I said evolution has been debunked

KingEbukasBlog:


This fool , you just went to each website and typed 'evolution' in the search box and pasted articles' links . Even my school - a christian university , Covenant University - teaches or lectures students on evolution

Ergo, it is false information?

dalaman:


You are ridiculous. So because the writer of the passage in genesis thought some God idea he imagined spoke some elusive light into being makes it true, right? I keep telling you that the God you speak about are the writers of the bible for without them you will have no God or be worshiping some other God idea invented by some other people. God is non material yet the bible describes him as having body parts(Moses allegedly saw his back parts) and some of the writers say that he sits on a throne in heaven(Book of revelation). is a throne a non material thing? How does a non material being have body parts and sit on a throne?

And again more non sense . This article should answer your questions ---> http://www.gotquestions.org/throne-of-God.html

Kay17:


Ergo, it is false information?

I mean even Christian Universities teach evolution the same way it is taught anywhere .

cloudgoddess:

The existence of the biblical god is irrational no matter how you spin it. But being open to the possibility of a god outside of all known doctrines is not necessarily irrational, no.

What makes specific gods irrational is the claims they make. Christianity makes unique claims about it's god that have not been validated consistently by outside sources and that have been invalidated by many independent sources. That's what makes the Christian god a myth. Same goes for the other thousands (or hundreds, whichever suits you) of gods.

If I say there could be a god, but make no claims about what he/she does, looks like, wants us to do, etc, then I'm not being irrational. If a scientist, me, or anyone else who does not believe in a god decided to one day say, "perhaps there is a god that got the big bang started then fell off the map", it would not add validity to any Christian doctrines, including the idea we are meant to worship or pray in the first place.

Lol . I asked you a simple question and you started attacking God .

What sources invalidate a creator ? Can you state these sources ?

KingEbukasBlog:


I mean even Christian Universities teach evolution the same way it is taught anywhere .

They wouldn't have much of a choice if they are to teach science. That aside, aren't there grave implications evolution has against Christianity? You admitted posts ago that The Catholic Church has to adopt a stance it has not always held. That is the Creation story is an allegory.

Kay17:


They wouldn't have much of a choice if they are to teach science. That aside, aren't there grave implications evolution has against Christianity? You admitted posts ago that The Catholic Church has to adopt a stance it has not always held. That is the Creation story is an allegory.

Oh not all . If you believe God did it through evolution , good for you . Because evolution makes more sense with someone on the driving seat . Instead of crediting it to serendipity , we can say this designer was trying out different possibilities - trial and error - and through gradual change He can achieve that design .

There are new earth creationists and there are old earth creationists - which ever you are - it does not tamper with your faith . Because whichever side you wish to take , only through your salvation that life after death with Christ is assured .

That's why I danced through new earth creationism , evolution and then to old earth creationism . It just broadens your knowledge on different possibilities of how the universe and life came into being off course with God as being in charge . Its fun

I think some people fail to understand how good is our God. Just imagine God takes immediate measure to punish you when you sin? Those same people will say ooohhh what kind of God is this, not a patient God no mercy at all. We need to understand how He works, good people are dying everyday, bad people also. God rain to both, allows both to live, he treated them equally. I think He is a fair God and loving also.

cloudgoddess:

Hey Richi, let me ask you an honest question here.

A typical atheist might say, "There have been over 4,000 gods throughout human history, but not one of them seems to have any consistent evidence, and many of them contradict eachother and make claims that sound very unrealistic. So until I see solid evidence for any one of those gods, I won't believe in one."

A Christian might say, "I believe that the God of Abraham created everything. I know this because I have faith in the holy book, which also says that snakes and donkeys have talked to humans before, a human has survived in the belly of a sea creature despite their highly acidic stomachs, a human woman was formed by the rib of a man even though bones do not contain most of the compounds needed to form a complete human, a baby was born from a woman who's egg was not fertilized, and angels come down from the heavens and talk to people. I have never seen these things happen but I know they are real because the bible says it is so. Also I know that the other 3,999 gods are all fake and mine is real, because the bible says so and I feel it in my heart."

If you were an objective observer - not Christian, not Atheist, just an impartial onlooker, which person would seem more like they believed in fairy tales? Which person would appear more superstitious to you? Please answer that. Thanks.

Lol. The Atheist believes in the great Void. That's beyond any fairytale.

KingEbukasBlog:


And again more non sense . This article should answer your questions ---> http://www.gotquestions.org/throne-of-God.html

Did Moses claim to see the bible God's back parts? Yes he according to the story. Did John in the book of revelation say he say God sitting on a throne with angles all bowing and worshiping him? Yes he did. What then am I to do with the opinion of some deluded apologist? Did the apologist write any part of the bible? No he didn't so what am I to do with his opinions on the matter?

plaetton:


Lol.

One has to acknowledge the existence of magic before one can contemplate a magician. This is the point that eludes you.
Half-thinking again, sonnyboy ?


You are a magical thinker. I am a rational thinker.
Can you spot the difference?

Shut up m0ron.
I will give you time when you show me what your fickle brains have discovered. Is it AMORC?

cloudgoddess:

T If a scientist, me, or anyone else who does not believe in a god decided to one day say, "perhaps there is a god that got the big bang started then fell off the map", it would not add validity to any Christian doctrines, including the idea we are meant to worship or pray in the first place.

God plays different roles at the same time - a Creator , a Father , a Judge .

a. A creator

In creating the universe


b. A Father

A Father figure gives that protection , guidance , love , etc

c. A Judge

Punishes sinners . A righteous God with appropriate judgement for any sinner

I'm tired of teaching you guys Sunday School basics meant for toddlers . An atheist disowns these top three roles God plays . How ?

a. A Judge

An atheist does not want to be meted a punishment he has deemed too severe and wants to live a depraved life

b. A Father

An atheist does not want to follow and live a godly life style - going astray . He fails to understand the essence of God's intervention in our turbulent material world

c. A creator

An atheist feels believing in a creator is mythical and magical . Like I said earlier , magic does not happen without a magician . He believes in the blind formation of everything in life on their own accord .

dalaman:


Did Moses claim to see the bible God's back parts? Yes he according to the story. Did John in the book of revelation say he say God sitting on a throne with angles all bowing and worshiping him? Yes he did. What then am I to do with the opinion of some deluded apologist? Did the apologist write any part of the bible? No he didn't so what am I to do with his opinions on the matter?

Apparently you didnt read the article . Holy Spirit manifested as a dove does that make Him a dove ? Because God revealed himself anthropomorphically , does that make him Human ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Idiot .I kept explaining that there are evolutionists who are Christians and the even the Catholic Church have concluded that the genesis account of creation is allegorical , accepting evolution and she keeps insinuating that evolution still rules out God . She seems angry because she thought evolution meant bye bye God

Then to continue the interesting argument and to annoy her the way she annoyed me, I said evolution has been debunked

Christians that accept evolution aren't just serious. They are actually dishonest. Evolution is not compatible with the biblical tale. Adam was made whole in the bible. The story says that Adam and Eve were the first human beings created whole by God evolution, but denies that out-rightly. There is nothing like first man or first woman, but a slow decent from a ground of hominids into the modern human race according to the theory of evolution. Which part of evolution supports woman coming from the ribs of a man?

KingEbukasBlog:


Apparently you didnt read the article . Holy Spirit manifested as a dove does that make Him a dove ? Because God revealed himself anthropomorphically , does that make him Human ?

You said God is immaterial, but Moses said he saw God's back parts. How does an immaterial being have back parts. John in revelation said he saw God sitting on a throne with angels worshiping him. How does an immaterial being sit on a thrown?

dalaman:


Christians that accept evolution aren't just serious. They are actually dishonest. Evolution is not compatible with the biblical tale. Adam was made whole in the bible. The story says that Adam and Eve were the first human beings created whole by God evolution, but denies that out-rightly. There is nothing like first man or first woman, but a slow decent from a ground of hominids into the modern human race according to the theory of evolution. Which part of evolution supports woman coming from the ribs of a man?

Please dont ask me stu.pid questions .

vooks:

Shut up m0ron.
I will give you time when you show me what your fickle brains have discovered. Is it AMORC?

Oh silly boy.

You sound like you're trying to get personal.
Are you?
Desperate?
Feeling butthurt ?

Sorry, but when you insist on running butt naked in a market place, someone has to do the dirty job.

You will thank me some day.

plaetton:


Oh silly boy.

You sound like you're trying to get personal.
Are you?
Desperate?
Feeling butthurt ?

Sorry, but when you insist on running butt naked in a market place, someone has to do the dirty job.

You will thank me some day.

You have never discovered a single thing in your life other than you are a bottom feeder lowlife primate remotely resembling a human.

vooks:


You have never discovered a single thing in your life other than you are a bottom feeder lowlife primate remotely resembling a human.

Lol.
Aahh!

The power of butthurt.

OK. I will take it a bit easy on you now.
But be a good boy.

plaetton:


Lol.
Aahh!

The power of butthurt.

OK. I will take it a busy on you now.
But be a good boy.

I'm about to take a long drive, hope by the time I get back you'll have discovered something

vooks:

I'm about to take a long drive, hope by the time I get back you'll have discovered something

Drive safe, sonnyboy.
I am working on your brain.
I don't want to be picking it from the pavement.

cloudgoddess:
Here is an excerpt from the National Geographic page I posted, since it is very likely that neither of you will click on it.

"Why are scientists certain that human evolution happened?
For a number of reasons. We share nearly 99 percent of our genetic sequence with chimpanzees and bonobos, which strongly suggests we share a common ancestor. And there are thousands of fossils documenting progressively more human-like species in the evolution of our lineage after it split from the other great apes and later from chimps and bonobos.

Biologists have actually observed evolution happening in other species, both in the field and in the lab—the recent emergence of antibiotic-resistant microbes is a form of evolution. And animal breeders make evolution happen all the time—think of the tremendous variety of dog breeds that have been created from wolves.

Is evolution at odds with the Bible?
Yes, if you think the Bible has to be interpreted literally. Evolution contradicts the Genesis story that God created all organisms in their present form. But you can believe in God without believing that the Bible is literally true."

As much as i would love to stop going back and forth with you, I see you clearly left out the lectures on intelligent design from that same site.
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/v/intelligent-design-and-evolution

I see you also cherry-picked the excerpt that supported your claims(of man descending from the ape-like) and carefully avoided this on the nat-geo site.

Why haven’t scientists found a “missing link” between apes and us?
Because there isn’t one. Chimpanzees (or other apes) didn’t evolve into humans. Both lineages descended from a common ancestor and went their separate ways. The real question here is, who was that last common ancestor, the missing progenitor of both chimps and humans? We don’t know yet.

People can go to the 2 remaining sites she posted and see if they will find anything reasonably different.

You see, Ive been referred by several atheists to several sites and most of them just end up wasting my time. I go there hoping to find something new and interesting and it all turns out to be the same stale bull.

I have a presentation to make tomorrow and again thanks so much for wasting part my precious time.

cloudgoddess:


Why are you so set on convincing yourself that the internet is an empty void with nothing to learn from - when clearly that isn't the case? There are thousands of reputable sources online - backed by highly acclaimed institutions, that provide accurate, independently supported knowledge on evolution for anyone who is willing to learn. Here are some more, since you ignored the other ones I posted:

Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/v/introduction-to-evolution-and-natural-selection

McGraw Hill
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/ecologyevolution/

Campbell Biology Online Course
http://www.pearsonmylabandmastering.com/northamerica/masteringbiology/

National Geographic
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/human-evolution-101/

Why are you set on pretending valuable information doesn't exist on the internet when millions of people successfully use the internet every day to aid in their schooling, or even to learn independently? Are you unaware of how to tell a trustworthy online source from an untrustworthy online source?

3. Do you genuinely think that Harvard, Princeton, Pubmed, and the other sites I listed are not valid sources of information? If so, why aren't they? Why would the top schools in the world be spreading false information? Why would the most widely used medical journal allow falsehoods and lies onto their database? Please answer those questions.

Show me where i said the internet is an empty void with NOTHING to learn from. Can you stop being desperate.
If you really read from any of these sources, you would find out that the highly acclaimed institutions you side with aren't as close minded as you are.

Havard, NASA, Oxford and other scientific communities all supported Nicholas copernicus and the infinite universe theory. In other words they not only funded and supported lies but also spread it and changed it later due to a more substantial contrary evidence.

Giordano Bruno, also a heavyweight in the infinite universe theory was and is still supported till date with a 22km impact crater on the far side of the Moon named in his honor, as are the main belt asteroids 5148 Giordano and 13223 Cenaceneri; the latter is named for one of his works. All these for a theory which turned out to be a lie.

Its why Sir Ambrose Flemming made the famous quote;
“We must not build on the sands of an uncertain and everchanging science…but upon the rock of inspired Scriptures.”

I didnt need to say this and sound like im against science, but really I still dont understand why you people are trying desperately to create a non existent gulf between God and science. "Lie" is a strong word, if not because of you ill rather substitute it with dis-proven theory.

I strongly believe Sir William Herschel who said that;
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

We all know this was the case when the CMB was reported.

cloudgoddess:


I'm in university right now. I have studied biology - evolutionary biology, microbiology, and intro biology. Hence why I posted the biology textbook links, which I have used, and which all cover evolution extensively. But you ignored those books. Why did you ignore them? Answer that please. Thanks.

You might be in the university but You still seem largely incapable of identifying garbage even if it hides among some trails of truth, education is far more than that girl.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

cloudgoddess:


What book, article, documentary, or other trustworthy resource on evolution has made the claim that life appeared from thin air? Please direct me to it.

Its my question to you since you seem to have found compelling evidence that there is no God and that evolution proves it all.
Even the picture you posted below starts from Origin of life. So you reaffirmed the claim already. It is now left for you to tell us how life originated from whatever you think it originated from.

"One of the main sources of confusion and ambiguity in the creation–evolution debate is the definition of evolution itself. In the context of biology, evolution is genetic changes in populations of organisms over successive generations. However, the word has a number of different meanings in different fields, from evolutionary computation to molecular evolution to sociocultural evolution to stellar and galactic evolution. It can even refer to metaphysical evolution, spiritual evolution, or any of a number of evolutionist philosophies. When biological evolution is conflated with other evolutionary processes, this can cause errors such as the claim that modern evolutionary theory says anything about abiogenesis or the Big Bang".- Source-"What is evolution"

Since you exhibit so much confidence on the scientific truths truths of life, lets hear what your version of the story of origination is.

cloudgoddess:

Cell complexity, creation of information, biological diversity, the human conscience amongst others are part of the inconsistencies that rocks the world of darwinism.
Those all sound like things that evolution has covered extensively, actually.
Here's a research paper on cell complexity and evolution that took me less than 5 seconds to find, although you probably won't read it because it's from the internet and apparently the internet has no useful information on it, except the Christian sites of course.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC341170/pdf/nar00301-0303.pdf
Biological diversity is probably the cornerstone of evolution, its the number one thing that evolution explains most eloquently. It's the entire basis for evolution.
"Evolution Accounts for the Unity and Diversity of Life"

Honestly, Someone should please read the journal and tell me something i havent already heard. And please tell her to shed more light on the origin of life as depicted in her diagram.

cloudgoddess:


The fact that you don't know that tells me that you probably have not properly learned what evolution is. Because if you had, you would not have made that statement. If you want to actually learn about evolution, click the links I have referred to you in earlier posts. If you want to ignore them, you can do that too. But don't claim you know what evolution is when you don't.

Yeah i probably havent learnt anything new from all the links you have posted here. I didnt ignore them but thanks for wasting my time

cloudgoddess:


Also, google is not a resource in itself. It is a search engine. Searching something on google does not automatically make it invalid. The validity or invalidity of a source found via google is completely dependent on the nature of the website itself. I have not posted any unsubstantiated sources on here so far, so can we please stop talking about how using google to find sources somehow makes someone unintelligent? Thanks.

LOL. You can give me some more obvious lectures on the basics na . Since i wanna become a Dr. in this age without the use of the internet.
And sources themselves are not meant to be substantiated but credible and or valid. Its the content contained in them that are meant to be substantiated.
You can read up on the bombardier beetle’s chemical weapon, Precise bird migrations, the salmon's amazing cycle, the decoy fish, symbiotic relationships between living organisms and then relate them to the theory of evolution. You can make your sincere deductions afterwards.
Once again thanks for wasting my time.

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh not all . If you believe God did it through evolution , good for you . Because evolution makes more sense with someone on the driving seat . Instead of crediting it to serendipity , we can say this designer was trying out different possibilities - trial and error - and through gradual change He can achieve that design .

There are new earth creationists and there are old earth creationists - which ever you are - it does not tamper with your faith . Because whichever side you wish to take , only through your salvation that life after death with Christ is assured .

That's why I danced through new earth creationism , evolution and then to old earth creationism . It just broadens your knowledge on different possibilities of how the universe and life came into being off course with God as being in charge . Its fun

I wasn't asking about whether it made sense with someone on the driving seat, rather the concessions Christians are forced to make. The adjustments they make in their beliefs/convictions due to an external factor like evolution.

plaetton:


Drive safe, sonnyboy.
I am working on your brain.
I don't want to be picking it from the pavement.

Negro bonobo, am back

winner01:


I strongly believe Sir William Herschel who said that;
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

Why do you keep repeating this lie all the time? I challenged you the other time and you started with your lalala tales.

Name just one human discovery in the field of geology and one in the field of genetics that confirm anything that is found in the bible or forever keep quite and stop bandying this myth and cheap lie.

winner01:
As much as i would love to stop going back and forth with you, I see you clearly left out the lectures on intelligent design from that same site.
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/v/intelligent-design-and-evolution

I see you also cherry-picked the excerpt that supported your claims(of man descending from the ape-like) and carefully avoided this on the nat-geo site.

Why haven’t scientists found a “missing link” between apes and us?
Because there isn’t one. Chimpanzees (or other apes) didn’t evolve into humans. Both lineages descended from a common ancestor and went their separate ways. The real question here is, who was that last common ancestor, the missing progenitor of both chimps and humans? We don’t know yet.

People can go to the 2 remaining sites she posted and see if they will find anything reasonably different.

You see, Ive been referred by several atheists to several sites and most of them just end up wasting my time. I go there hoping to find something new and interesting and it all turns out to be the same stale bull.

I have a presentation to make tomorrow and again thanks so much for wasting part my precious time.

Lol at stop following me @ pic . . Good luck on your presentation

cloudgoddess:

Hey Richi, let me ask you an honest question here.

A typical atheist might say, "There have been over 4,000 gods throughout human history, but not one of them seems to have any consistent evidence, and many of them contradict eachother and make claims that sound very unrealistic. So until I see solid evidence for any one of those gods, I won't believe in one."

So what about Deism? Deists also consider all religions false and they ain't saying there's no God. I don't think this is a typical atheist on nairaland, the position u describe above fits more to the agnostic not the atheists on nairaland.

Most nairaland atheists seem to think if religion is false there's no God.

cloudgoddess:

A Christian might say, "I believe that the God of Abraham created everything. I know this because I have faith in the holy book, which also says that snakes and donkeys have talked to humans before, a human has survived in the belly of a sea creature despite their highly acidic stomachs, a human woman was formed by the rib of a man even though bones do not contain most of the compounds needed to form a complete human, a baby was born from a woman who's egg was not fertilized, and angels come down from the heavens and talk to people. I have never seen these things happen but I know they are real because the bible says it is so. Also I know that the other 3,999 gods are all fake and mine is real, because the bible says so and I feel it in my heart."

That's not a typical Christian, they don't believe the supernatural are ordinary things nd normal, nor do they believe all 3,999 false gods don't exist.

cloudgoddess:

If you were an objective observer - not Christian, not Atheist, just an impartial onlooker, which person would seem more like they believed in fairy tales? Which person would appear more superstitious to you? Please answer that. Thanks.

If it's a Atheist who believes the world literally came from nothing randomly, I think the atheist looks more superstitious. That view itself is a fairly tale.

And if it's an atheist who believes the universe came from something unknown but still randomly, I still think the person would still think the atheist.

If an atheist believes the extremely complex universe came by random chance, he's likely to believe there's a chance a table in a trillion years will become conscious nd start talking. Atheist already believe some billion years ago the universe gradually began to make matter "alive" and conscious.


Here something for you:

Think for a minute of a marble table in front of you. Do you think that, given a trillion years or infinite time, this table could suddenly or gradually become conscious, aware of its surroundings, aware of its identity the way you are ?