unphilaz:


Wow so by default when I become Muslim and die... No aljanna but hell fire first .. And am promised paradise

Yes my brother, and the amazing thing is that does who die why fighting for allah will go direct to heaven, that's why we have soo many terrorist:

Surah 61:10-13: O ye who believe!
Shall I lead you to a BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah
and His Messenger, and that ye
STRIVE YOUR UTMOST IN THE CAUSE OF Allah, with your property and your
persons: That will be best for you, if
ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens
beneath which Rivers flow, and to
beautiful mansions in Gardens of
Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme
Achievement. And another favour will
He bestow, which ye do love, – help
from Allah and a speedy victory.
(Yusuf Ali)

Since all Muslims, including pious ones,
will have to spend a waiting-period in
Hell before reaching Paradise, Allah
made a bargain with Muslims. He told
them that if they die fighting for his
cause, he will forgive their sins and will
save them from the “grievous Penalty”
of Hell-fire. In other words, there is no
need to burn in Hell-fire until they are
rescued on the Day of Resurrection.
Paradise will be instant for those who die fighting for Allah.

Till today, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain of
Allah. Allah’s bargain is still in force in
the Qur’an. Islam reserves places in
Paradise for terrorists who die fighting
for Allah’s cause. He who gives his life for the Islamic cause will have his sins
forgiven and a place reserved in
Paradise.

Surah 9:88: “But the Messenger, and
those who believe with him, strive
and fight with their wealth and
their persons: for them are all good
things: and it is they who will
prosper.” (Yusuf Ali)

malvisguy212:
?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?

Because Allah is an idol god. He owns that same shrine, so he should be worshipped that way..

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Like I always tell you, you are a fool..



Tell me where Jesus told you that you can pray anywhere...

malvisguy212:
FROM FIFTY TO FIVE DAILY
PRAYERS
Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who
did take His servant for a Journey
by night from the Sacred Mosque to
the farthest Mosque, Whose
precincts We did bless, – in order that
We might show him some of Our
Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth
and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali)

According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly
took Muhammad on a journey from the
Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque
at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great
importance for the reason that this
journey determined the Islamic ritual of
praying five times a day. In other words,
Muhammad’s Night Journey has an
impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day.

Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead.

There are twenty-four hours in a day. If
Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to
pray fifty times a day, Muslims would
hardly have sufficient time left for work,
sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we
were to allow just fifteen minutes for
each of the fifty prayer rituals along with
the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5
hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not
include the time it takes to travel to the
mosque and back for those who prefer to
pray there. However, on Fridays all
Muslim males are required to pray at the
mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even
going by the very bare minimum, a
Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours.
Most employment requires a person to
work at least 8 hours a day on the
average. What about the time spent
traveling to and fro from work? If we
were to deduct an average of just 10
hours for employment, the Muslim is
now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And
humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of
sleep to remain healthy.
OUR QUESTION IS:
Does not Allah know that there are only
24 hours in a day?
Does not Allah know that his
worshippers need to work, eat, sleep
and care for their families?
Why did not Allah know that even going
by the bare minimum, Muslims will not
be able cope with his absurd demand
to pray fifty times a day?
Did not Allah know that it would be
impossible for Muslims to accomplish
this unreasonable command to stop
every 28.8 minutes for prayer?
Can Allah really then be the all
knowing God as you claim?
Since a Muslim will have to stop
working twice each hour to pray, would
any employer, in his right mind,
employ a Muslim?
Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to
pray five times a day in the first place?
Does not this show that Moses was
much wiser than Allah?
Does not this also prove that Moses was
more in tune with reality than Allah?
How could Moses – a mere human

Even the reduced number of five daily
prayers at specific times has proven to
be counter productive to the economy
growth of many Muslim nations.
Prayer works through love. In
Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion,
although this does not contradict the
fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer.

Now, on the kiblah issue.. That's what Allah commanded us to do.. And besides, in the book of Mathew, where Jesus prayed (Salah) 5 times a day, tell me which direction he's facing... Is it Jerusalem or mecca?

Every single prophet in Bible worshipped Allah bowing down (prostration).. Ask Bible which direction they faced.. It's easy.. Go read REVELATION 7:11 (angels performing salat) ask Bible the direction they faced

Nehimayah 8:4-6(they performed salat) ask Bible direction they faced



Direction they faced is kiblah..





No single prophet in Bible read Bible or attended church... Yet you keep stirring trash...


Ignorant fool


You are a fool.. You always bring up discussions you have absolutely no knowledge about

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

And on the issue of kahabah and black stone... It's all detailed in Bible..


Bible called kahbah Bacca.. Even the tawaf of kahbah is there

Do research on it.. Google is your friend..



Like I said, you are a fool.. Always do research on anything you want to post before posting

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions....



Yeah, Allah told us not to face Jerusalem as Qiblah anymore but Kahbah... And mecca has been conquered by Islam by that time... There's no single idol in the kahbah... You a pitiful soul.. Despite the fact that you following a religion Jesus knows nothing about, you dare lie against kahabah... You are a disgrace to the education world

kaakulator4:





Loool This kiri.yo boy been chasing me around with his other ID You want cookies?

Why mention me twice.I guess I'm doing something right

Yeah I gave a fvck because this thread is about Christianity right?

Another lunat.ic joins the queue You're welcome

As per the hell question, I heard your family is hosting a bash to celebrate your father's 10 years anniversary
in hell

Uuuhhm have fun oooo

lol making unnecessary observation... am not TRUTHMAN who is your nightmare... one thing i have learnt about muslim is that they are DESTINED for HELL...ITS A DECREE...AND CANNOT BE ABROGATED.

This is the greatest revelation i have gotten from Mohammed... and i will share it

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that EVERY ONE OF
YOU will be taken to HELL.”
Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall RESCUE those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

DeathStroke007:





Now, on the kiblah issue.. That's what Allah commanded us to do.. And besides, in the book of Mathew, where Jesus prayed (Salah) 5 times a day, tell me which direction he's facing... Is it Jerusalem or mecca?

Every single prophet in Bible worshipped Allah bowing down (prostration).. Ask Bible which direction they faced.. It's easy.. Go read REVELATION 7:11 (angels performing salat) ask Bible the direction they faced

Nehimayah 8:4-6(they performed salat) ask Bible direction they faced



Direction they faced is kiblah..





No single prophet in Bible read Bible or attended church... Yet you keep stirring trash...


Ignorant fool


You are a fool.. You always bring up discussions you have absolutely no knowledge about

satan is toying with your brain,muhammed founded islam, he even say he is the FIRST muslim in Surah 6:163, everything concerning muslim prayer was done during the time of muhammed, how did Jesus performed 5 daily prayer when allah wanted 50 ? Before muhammed came allah wanted 50 daily prayer. The book of revelation is a prophecy, an event yet to be fulfilled, John is seeing vision.

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

Now onto your questions..



Like I said, you are a disgrace to education world.


Black stone wasn't about paganism... It's that stupid cross of crucifix that is..


Go read about black stone in Bible and read about it in Quran..




Your number 4 question..



Black stone isn't to unify Muslims... Islam unifies Muslims..



Expanciate your point on Arabs killing each other..

malvisguy212:
satan is toying with your brain,muhammed founded islam, he even say he is the FIRST muslim in Surah 6:163, everything concerning muslim prayer was done during the time of muhammed, how did Jesus performed 5 daily prayer when allah wanted 50 ? Before muhammed came allah wanted 50 daily prayer. The book of revelation is a prophecy, an event yet to be fulfilled, John is seeing vision.

Like I said.. You are a fool.. A pure disgrace to education world..


Let me give you an advice.. Always do research on anything before you post..



How can Mohammed who is an illiterate write Quran and invent Islam? Islam has been in existence since the beginning of creation.


Submission to the will of creator is Islam
Every single prophet, including Jesus preached Islam...

DeathStroke007:





Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

I am very busy now. This thread may have hit you soo hard, hence the insult. Muhammed illiteracy does not mean he is not interlingent or is he deaf and blind ? Is muhammed not interlingent ? as if it is impossible to guess how an illiterate man could possibly plagiarize other ideas like he plagiarize the bible ... was he also deaf and/or mentally incompetent to have a discussion with somebody and come up with ideas? If he could hear a conversation and reason then being illiterate is irrelevant.
but for an illiterate man who is otherwise intelligent, who came in contact with many people because he was a caravan trader and most probably exposed to many ideas.

You say Jesus performed 5 daily prayer, I ask, how could that be possible ? Muhammed invent the 5 daily prayer, before muhammed came allah wanted 50 prayer, so it doesent make sense for Jesus to performed 5 daily prayer.

unphilaz:


lol making unnecessary observation... am not TRUTHMAN who is your nightmare... one thing i have learnt about muslim is that they are DESTINED for HELL...ITS A DECREE...AND CANNOT BE ABROGATED.

This is the greatest revelation i have gotten from Mohammed... and i will share it

I had to lmfao when I saw the emboldened .I can see you trying to forcefully boost the morale of your ho.mo partner or yourself . How did you even know Truthman is the person I'm referring to Idd1iot see how you cast yourself.I'll stll verbally slap the both of you whether Un-phag-ass or Truthboy

On Quran 17 vs 91 there are different interpretations of this verse but a typical ki.ri.yo boy like you who doesn't know sh1t about the quran will just copy and paste translation not knowing that there is something they call Tafsir Now you know why I enjoy insulting kiriyos
You people are just daft.Did you know Imam As-shinqitee wrote a book on the explanation of controversial verses in the qur'an?How many books of tafsir have you read? I want answers for all these questions.This is just a preamble

Let's look at the translations of that verse

Pickthall
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.I'm not surprised you this kiriyo boy decided to go with this translation but it doesn't matter anyway


Yusuf Ali
Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished. But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.


Hilali-Khan
There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who use to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).


Shakir
And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord. And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

As you can see from the above there is a difference of opinion on how to translate the word waariduha. There are three common opinions in regards to how one should interpret this verse but the scholars have agreed this is the most correct interpretation of the verse based on evidence that the verse is stating that all people would pass by hell and be exposed to it

Scholars (for example see Al-Tha'labi's commentary on Surah 27: who held this opinion said that waarid could mean to "see" or "come close to" according to certain verses in the Qur'an (12:19; 28:23) and could thus be linguistically and accurately applied to Surah 19:71 as well.

Let's take the example of Surah 28:23:

And when he came unto the water of Midian he found there a whole tribe of men

Walamma warada maa madyana wajada AAalayhi ommatan mina alnnasi

This verse is talking about the water source, which was a well (and the same example extends to a spring). Musa warada the water of Midian i.e., reached the side of the well, which is above the actual well where the water is (this is why they need ropes and a bucket to lift the water). He did not enter into the water, but he was standing on the piece of land that is above the mouth of the well which is below the earth, since it is a hole. So, he did wurud, but in this case it meant that he was standing on the piece of land above the well.

The same reasoning is in regards to the sirat (i.e. the bridge to cross over hell). It is above (on the upper borders) of Hell, but in this case the size of the sirat is far less in comparison to hell. So people who cross above Hell do wurud in the way one does a well, but are able to see with their eyes the horror of hell beneath their feet especially since the size of hell is unimaginably gigantic. Those who do not find its torment, i.e., they do not get tormented by it, they are Mub`adun (taken away) from it as stated in Surah 21:101, i.e., there is a distance (bu`d) between them and hell. Just as one walks on the piece of land above a well, he does wurud to it (to its borders), but he is also away from it (i.e. does not enter the well itself). So the believers will be walking on the sirat, which is at the upper border of hell, doing wurud of it without entering it (except for those Muslim sinners who are to be punished temporarily) and they will not hear the crushing sound of its burning and winds as stated in Surah 21:102, but still they will be able to see its tip. This is affirmed in the authentic hadeeths where we read that people would be crossing the bridge (sirat) and MIGHT be snatched and dragged into hell OR NOT, while some of them wouldn't be snatched. (Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577; Saheeh Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349).

The next step is determining those who are leaving the vicinity (i.e. sudur). There are those who would be leaving the vicinity, while the rest would stay. The Prophet (peace be upon him) in an authentic hadeeth reported by Al-Tirmidhi said:

Abdullah ibn Mas'ud said:

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, Mankind will yarid (i.e. do wurood) the fire and then depart from it because of their deeds, the first of them like a flash of lighting, the next like the wind, the next like a horse's gallop, the next like one riding on his pack-saddle, the next like a man's running, the next like his walking."

This hadeeth demonstrates how there will be people who would leave the vicinity of hell due to their righteous deeds, while some would remain in hell. Similarly, when there is a spring, and this is also obvious as an example, one does not actually go into the middle of the spring itself, but at the shore - making wurud - then when he is done fulfilling his need he makes sudur, i.e., he leaves its vicinity without actually entering it.

The sirat is placed above hell like its roof and the roof of the house is part of it, so if one is lifted to the roof without having to go inside the house and go up the stairs, he is still technically inside the house. He sees it bigger than him under his feet, but he does not necessarily know what the people in the rooms of the house are doing or what they are facing or feel what they are feeling. So the sirat is above hell on the top of its border and the wurud and sudur is done by walking on the sirat. One may technically claim that the sirat is in hell, for just as Shaykh Al-Albani said:


Crossing on sirat is entering into the fire.


So if one wants to claim that entering hell means crossing the sirat, which is above hell and could technically be argued to be in hell, then that is okay. However, to claim that entering hell is to go deep inside into hell then this is contrary to the evidence.

We also need to ask ourselves what the purpose of the sirat is if all people will still go inside the fire? The purpose of the sirat is that the people who are not going to be burned walk on the sirat above the fire in order to be able to see its horrors and be shielded from being burned in it because they are on the sirat and will pass it very quickly.

Further evidence that not everyone would enter hell is the following hadeeth:

Saheeh Muslim Book 031, Number 6090:

Umm Mubashshir reported that she heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying in presence of Hafsa: God willing, the people of the Tree would never enter the fire of Hell one amongst those who owed allegiance under that. She said: Allah's Messenger, why not? He scolded her. Hafsa said: And there is none amongst you but shall have to pass over that (narrow Bridge). Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, has said: We would rescue those persons who are God-conscious and we would leave the tyrants to their fate there (xix. 72).

Notice that the Prophet (peace be upon him) explicitly said that there would be those who would not enter hell. Hafsa appealed to the Qur'anic verse in question as an objection. Clearly she appeared to have understood the verse as referring to "entering". However, the Prophet (peace be upon him) quickly clarified there would be those who would be saved.

This makes complete sense in light of the hadeeth we just cited, which states that there would be those who cross the sirat with some being snatched down into hell, while others wouldn't be snatched down into hell.

However, there is one hadeeth which some of the scholars have used to prove that the Qur'anic verse is speaking about actually entering into hell from Saheeh Bukhari:Volume 8, Book 78, Number 650

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, Any Muslim who has lost three of his children will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled.

The phrase "except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled" according to the majority of scholars is in reference to Allah's promise that everyone would do wurood to hell.

Another version of this hadith found in Saheeh Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 342: as well states:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No Muslim whose three children died will go to the Fire except for Allah's oath"

So here we find that the first version states "touched by the Fire", which in Arabic transliterates to tamussuhu al naar, while the other version states "go to the fire", which in Arabic transliterates to yaliju al naar. The root derivative of yaliju is wulooj, which most commonly refers to entry.

Now if both of these phrases are indeed connected to Allah's oath then they must be understood in light of wurood in the Qu'ranic verse. However, some proponents of the view that the Qur'an is speaking about people entering hell argue that tamussuhu al naar and yaliju al naar supports their position since they linguistically mean direct contact with and entering into the fire. However, is that necessarily the case?

In regards to the "touched by the Fire" narration, the great Maliki scholar Ibn Abdul Barr says:


Feeling according to the language literally means direct contact and it's possible to extend it to mean nearness. (Ibn Abdul Barr, Al-Tamheed, Volume 6, page 353)


So as we could see, linguistically speaking "feeling" does not necessarily have to imply actual physical touching and could indicate nearness, which is in perfect harmony with the position that we have been laying out so far. Even in the English language we don't necessarily understand "feeling" as physical contract. One may feel the presence of something through intuitive awareness. One may experience the feeling of the fire by being close to it and seeing it for instance.

So that means that we could understand this Hadith as saying that one who lost his three children would not experience the feeling of hell unless Allah's oath of having it occur was fulfilled, though I personally don't favor this position.

As for the second version, which states "go to the fire", Ibn Hajar states that one of the opinions of the meaning of wulooj is:

The meaning of wulooj is wurood and that is passing by the fire. (Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, Fathul Bari, Volume 3, page 119)

Badr al-Din al-'Ayni in his commentary on Saheeh Bukhari cites Al-Khattabi as saying:

One [who is destined to be saved from hell] will not enter the fire in order to be punished in it; rather he would cross over it. This will not happen except by the decree of Allah's loyalty to His oath and the oath is implied [This (passing over hell) will only last to the extent of Allah fulfilling His oath (that all shall pass over hell); the oath is implied (i.e., not explicit)]. (Badr al-Din al-'Ayni, 'Umdat Al-Qaari', Volume 12, page 190)


Just in case one states that this is an act of desperation and violates the definition of yalij, let's take a look at this narration:


Anas ibn Malik said:

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: They will not yalij the walls of Quds (i.e. paradise) those who are addicted to alcohol, disobedient to their parents or brag about their generosity. (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith no. 12881; The word Quds technically means "blessed area", however we know that this is referring to paradise due to other narrations that we have such as the one narrated by Al-Bazzar, which states "he will not enter the gardens of Firdaws". Also see Shaykh Al-Albani, Silsila Al-Ahaadeeth Al-Saheeha, hadith no. 2161.)

Now obviously here yalij does not literally mean that one would enter inside the walls of paradise, but that one would pass through them into paradise. Shaykh Al-Albani declared the chain of this narration to be weak in his Silsila Al-Ahaadeeth Al-Saheeha, hadith no. 673, however said that it has a supporting witness from an authentic chain in Ibn Khuzayma's book Kitab Al-Tawheed.

However, the authenticity of this narration isn't really what is important here. What is important is to see that it is grammatically possible to use the word yalij to mean "pass by".

So this means that we could understand the hadith as saying that one who lost his three children would not pass by (over) hell unless Allah's oath of having it done so was fulfilled, though I again personally don't favor this position.

Scholars have had several ways of understanding this narration speaking about Allah's oath.

Ibn Abdul Barr said:

And it is possible that the Prophet's statement "except that which will render the oath fulfilled" is an interrupted exception [i.e., it does not happen to begin with]. this is something known in the language. If that is the case then his statement "will not be touched by the fire except that which will render the oath fulfilled" means that the fire won't even touch him. Then he began another statement with the phrase "except that which will render the oath fulfilled" meaning that however the fulfillment of the oath is something that is bound to occur according to Allah's statement wa inn minkum illa waariduha and it pertains to crossing over on the sirat or seeing it (i.e. of hell). (Ibn Abdul Barr, Al-Tamheed, Volume 6, page 361)


In light of this (and this is the position that I favor) we could understand the hadith as saying that one who lost his three children wouldn't feel the fire or enter into the fire at all (abiding by the literal meaning of tamassuhu and yaliju). However, Allah's oath that everyone would do wurood to hell must be fulfilled. Allah's promise of wurood as we said is referring to crossing over hell on the sirat and this is strongly supported by the following narration:

Whoever dies leaving [behind] three children who haven't reached the age of puberty wouldn't yarid the fire except as a passerby (i.e. crossing the sirat just as the narrator of this hadith clarified). (Al-Mundhiri in his Al-Targheeb wal-Tarheeb, Volume 3, no. 120 said that the isnad is okay and that it has a lot of supporting witnesses; Shaykh Al-Albani said that the hadeeth is hasan in his Saheeh Al-Targheeb, no. 2001)


Some opined that the phrase "except that which will render the oath fulfilled" is just a linguistic method of expression emphasizing the lack of severity of the whole ordeal. Al-Alusi states:

It is as if it is said: He won't see the fire except for a while, because Allah All Mighty said that everyone would do wurood to it (i.e. the fire) and that is something inevitable. If it wasn't for that, it would have been possible for him [one who is not destined to enter hell] to not see it [hell] at all. (Al-Alusi, Rooh Al-Ma'aani, Volume 12, page 43; Also see Imam Al-Subki, Tabaqaat Al-Shafi'ya, Volume 2, page 117 & Shaykh Muhammad Ameen Al-Shanqeeti, Adwaa' Al-Bayaan, Volume 4, page 39)


Furthermore, it's possible to interpret the oath as meaning that there would be people crossing the bridge and then get snatched into hell if their deeds are not good enough. That is a promise that would be fulfilled. There are certain people who could possibly avoid crossing the bridge and not get snatched into hell, however if they don't meet Allah's requirement they could end up crossing it and then getting snatched down into hell.

Finally, one may ask what the whole point of the sirat is. If there are people who are bound to enter paradise and not go into hell at all, then why doesn't Allah just automatically put these Muslims in paradise without having them become exposed to hell by passing over it and seeing it?

The answer is simple really; it brings the Muslims more joy and satisfaction that they have made the right decisions in this life for avoiding hell. It also gives them the relief that they were so craving for knowing that they have finished the whole trial and judgment ordeal. After they pass over hell, they would appreciate Allah even more for shielding them with His mercy from being punished in hell.

In conclusion, we have examined the different opinions surrounding this topic and we have demonstrated that the strongest opinion is that waariduha in the verse refers to crossing over hell on the sirat. If one wishes to say that Muslims would enter hell with the intended meaning that since the sirat is over hell and could technically be considered inside of it, then this is valid. However, we have found the opinion that "entering" hell with the actual meaning that one would be inside of it in the same sense as the kuffar (despite not being harmed by the fire) is indeed a weak opinion and doesn't fit in with the authentic hadeeth that we have cited

Source: Call to monotheism (with a few modifications/additions)


And lastly, this is a message to you and your fellow kiriyo re.t.ards The Quran is not like the bible that every tom,dick and harry can spit dust and claim to have knowledge of.Idd1ots .You don't explain quranic verses with common sense.It's vast from language,to history,hadith.They're all connected and you have to be well versed in all these aspects before you can even be a mufassir.The qur'an is a book of history and some verses are historical in the sense that they are revealed as a result of events

If you haven't read any of these books, don't come here and spit the kiriyo nonsense they told you in the club church here Okay? Lunatics!

I'm telling you this because I won't respond to stvp1d!ty next time.Okay? I'll just curse your lineage

Adwaaul bayaan fee eedaahil qur'an bil qur'an -Al-Ameen As-Shinqitee

Tafsir Al jalalayn-Imam As-suyuti

Tafsir Al qurtubee - Imam Al-qurtubee

Tafsir At-Tabari

Tafsir Ibn Katheer



I hope I've been able to stir the akamu in your brain? I'm nice so a thank you will be appreciated

malvisguy212:
I am very busy now. This thread may have hit you soo hard, hence the insult. Muhammed illiteracy does not mean he is not interlingent or is he deaf and blind ? Is muhammed not interlingent ? as if it is impossible to guess how an illiterate man could possibly plagiarize other ideas like he plagiarize the bible ... was he also deaf and/or mentally incompetent to have a discussion with somebody and come up with ideas? If he could hear a conversation and reason then being illiterate is irrelevant.
but for an illiterate man who is otherwise intelligent, who came in contact with many people because he was a caravan trader and most probably exposed to many ideas.

You say Jesus performed 5 daily prayer, I ask, how could that be possible ? Muhammed invent the 5 daily prayer, before muhammed came allah wanted 50 prayer, so it doesent make sense for Jesus to performed 5 daily prayer.

You keep giving yourself a false sense of victory even when you're being schooled You don't know sh1t! .You remind me of the eboe animals in the politics section

Your delusion is legendary and you're extremely ignorant.

malvisguy212:
I am very busy now. This thread may have hit you soo hard, hence the insult. Muhammed illiteracy does not mean he is not interlingent or is he deaf and blind ? Is muhammed not interlingent ? as if it is impossible to guess how an illiterate man could possibly plagiarize other ideas like he plagiarize the bible ... was he also deaf and/or mentally incompetent to have a discussion with somebody and come up with ideas? If he could hear a conversation and reason then being illiterate is irrelevant.
but for an illiterate man who is otherwise intelligent, who came in contact with many people because he was a caravan trader and most probably exposed to many ideas.

You say Jesus performed 5 daily prayer, I ask, how could that be possible ? Muhammed invent the 5 daily prayer, before muhammed came allah wanted 50 prayer, so it doesent make sense for Jesus to performed 5 daily prayer.

Like I always said.. You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.



Read the picture to know Jesus prayed Salah 5 times a day..




When you won't read Bible... It's only a software license to you...


You are supposed to be ashamed.. It's we Muslims that even do explain and show you people stuffs you don't know in Bible...






Next time you post anything, you will think twice before mentioning my name...

DeathStroke007:




Like I always said.. You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.



Read the picture to know Jesus prayed Salah 5 times a day..




When you won't read Bible... It's only a software license to you...


You are supposed to be ashamed.. It's we Muslims that even do explain and show you people stuffs you don't know in Bible...






Next time you post anything, you will think twice before mentioning my name...

is that the picture of Jesus ? Who snap the picture when He was praying ? Did He wash is face ,hands and nose ? The reason you are insulting me is because this thread hit you soo much, there is more to come. Even your prophet don't understand the christians and Jewish doctrine ,how much more his slaves. see the foolishness muhammed claim in the quran;

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the
son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men,
'Take ME AND MY MOTHER FOR TWO GODs BESID Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]

This is embarrassing, muhammed misunderstood the relationship between God the son and God the father, so he include God the mother!! Lol. It is clear muhammed did not understand the christian doctrine.

DeathStroke007:





Now onto your questions..



Like I said, you are a disgrace to education world.


Black stone wasn't about paganism... It's that stupid cross of crucifix that is..


Go read about black stone in Bible and read about it in Quran..




Your number 4 question..



Black stone isn't to unify Muslims... Islam unifies Muslims..



Expanciate your point on Arabs killing each other..

trash!!!
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 675:
Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his
father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab
addressed the Corner ( BLACK STONE)
saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you
are a stone and can neither benefit
nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you,
I would never have touched (and
kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.”

This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up
venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad
and Allah.

Sheikh Sha’rawi, one of Egypt’s
renowned scholars declared in Legal
Opinions, pt. 3, p. 167:
“The kissing of the meteorite is a firm
practice in Islamic law because
Muhammad did it. You must not
ask about the wisdom behind that
because this rite is (an expression)
of worship in spite of the obscurity
of its wisdom.”

DeathStroke007:





Now onto your questions....

Kahbah was never an idol residence since we started facing it to pray. And if you don't know, kahbah is located at the centre of the world...


And you are a pagan. You disbelief in everything Jesus belief. Jesus preached 1 God, told you to follow law of Moses, told you he's servant of God, and told you to accept Ahmad and follow him... But you didn't... Instead you belief in murder as a form of salvation, you worship Jesus, you go to church (a place Jesus never set foot in or know about), you believe in Bible (a book Jesus knows nothing about and the stupid book that insults our creator)

this boy, you are very good in lying.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 583:
Narrated By Abdullah: When the
Prophet entered Mecca on the day of
the Conquest, there were 360 idols
around the Ka’ba.

Now keep in mind that there are 360 idols in the kabba. Now we will consider another serious problem in Islam.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
PURIFY MY HOUSE for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

Muhammed claim, Allah made the house (mecca). The Ka’ba also known as “Baitullah” means “House of Allah.” Now, how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem , unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

Deathstroke007 why do you bother replying to these copy and paste illiterates

If they have questions, they should go to Islamqa.info

kaakulator4:
Deathstroke007 why do you bother replying to these copy and paste illiterates

If they have questions, they should go to Islamqa.info

if the answer is their, I will be very happy if you copy and paste it to me "the illiterate" thank you.

Allah say he made the house ( the kabba) a resort for mankind and sanctuary. What's the need to purify it when it already a sanctuary (sanctified)
Muhammad began and ended up with a pagan religion with the only difference being that he repackaged it in a monotheistic framework. The fact that many of the rituals performed in the name of Allah are connected to pagan worship shows that Islam was conceived in idolatry. Such practices are consistent with pre-Islamic pagan rituals involving the Ka’ba. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would never send a Black Stone for his followers to kiss. If God abhors even the bowing of his worshippers towards the living sun that was created by him, do you think he will command his worshippers to bow towards a dead Black Stone?
Deuteronomy 4:19 clearly states:

“You must not raise your eyes to the
heavens and indeed see the SUN and
the MOON and the STARS, all the army
of the heavens, and actually get
seduced and bow down to them.”

DeathStroke007:






And on the issue of kahabah and black stone... It's all detailed in Bible..


Bible called kahbah Bacca.. Even the tawaf of kahbah is there

Do research on it.. Google is your friend..



Like I said, you are a fool.. Always do research on anything you want to post before posting

someone close to me read this comment, he burst with laughter.

malvisguy212:
this boy, you are very good in lying.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 583:
Narrated By Abdullah: When the
Prophet entered Mecca on the day of
the Conquest, there were 360 idols
around the Ka’ba.

Now keep in mind that there are 360 idols in the kabba. Now we will consider another serious problem in Islam.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
PURIFY MY HOUSE for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

Muhammed claim, Allah made the house (mecca). The Ka’ba also known as “Baitullah” means “House of Allah.” Now, how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem , unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

Like I always said... You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.




On the day on conquest, means before conquest.. After conquest, no more idols..


In fact i won't be replying any of your post that's senseless any longer

malvisguy212:
trash!!!
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 675:
Narrated by Zaid bin Aslam: From his
father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab
addressed the Corner ( BLACK STONE)
saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you
are a stone and can neither benefit
nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you,
I would never have touched (and
kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it.

This is a very revealing statement coming from one who used to be a pagan. Umar’s conversion to monotheism was so absolute that he was able to make the above observation while his Prophet was actually venerating a pagan idol. The reason behind Umar’s reluctance in kissing the Black Stone is that the pagan Arabs also performed this same ritual. However, Umar venerated his Prophet and this eventually led him to venerate the pagan idol. Ultimately, he ended up
venerating the Black Stone, Muhammad
and Allah.

Sheikh Sha’rawi, one of Egypt’s
renowned scholars declared in Legal
Opinions, pt. 3, p. 167:
“The kissing of the meteorite is a firm
practice in Islamic law because
Muhammad did it. You must not
ask about the wisdom behind that
because this rite is (an expression)
of worship in spite of the obscurity
of its wisdom.”

What a pity..

malvisguy212:
is that the picture of Jesus ? Who snap the picture when He was praying ? Did He wash is face ,hands and nose ? The reason you are insulting me is because this thread hit you soo much, there is more to come. Even your prophet don't understand the christians and Jewish doctrine ,how much more his slaves. see the foolishness muhammed claim in the quran;

And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the
son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men,
'Take ME AND MY MOTHER FOR TWO GODs BESID Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]

This is embarrassing, muhammed misunderstood the relationship between God the son and God the father, so he include God the mother!! Lol. It is clear muhammed did not understand the christian doctrine.

Your illiteracy is beyond doubt.. Instead of you arguing about the Bible verses, you arguing about picture... You ain't worth debating with me.

maverickboy:
The air here is clear... what about your end?

btw, I didn't say I was interested in the topic.

But you asked if the OP was a story or a question? And said, you shd help give some clarification as to the Ops.
My air is so clear, Jesus made all things clear for me. My Bible doesn't need anything extra to explain it. e.g hadith or Sunnah, as in ur case.

hockeyoilers:
Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archiologist, found more than twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscription in Arabic :"Bism Allah al Rahman al Rahim" which showed that Christians were the first to use this name, Allah for GOD Almighty, which proves that the name of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran, "Allah" is the correct one. This also proves to us that the Bible is not all found. There are still missing pieces in it that disprove trinity.

I guess those Christians used the Koran back then, not the Bible?
Do you really believe yourself when you tell yourself these lies? because no Christian believes you. It's no use telling them, we know it's a lie. allahh is liar, and so are you his follower. The good tree bears good fruits, a bad tree bears bad fruits, allah's fruits in you are obvious.

kaakulator4:



Who's this one? Are you a kiryo too? so we can add you to the serving list

Your mouth is running like a dirty sewer, very unbecoming of a lady. Go back and read what you typed, what happens to a muslims brain? Someone said Islam is a virus, am beginning to see it. Islam has eaten ur etiquette. Learn some manners.

DeathStroke007:




Your illiteracy is beyond doubt.. Instead of you arguing about the Bible verses, you arguing about picture... You ain't worth debating with me.

the pagans also prostrate when praying, are they also muslims ?

DeathStroke007:







Like I always said... You are a fool and a disgrace to education world.




On the day on conquest, means before conquest.. After conquest, no more idols..


In fact i won't be replying any of your post that's senseless any longer

very good, you said earlier, the kabba was never a pagan house, housing 360 idols, thank God you admits it is a pagan house before muhammed came.

Alright. Surah 2:125 indicate, it was allah who made the house, this are my questions:

how did the “House of Allah” which was “made by Allah” become a pagan temple housing 360 pagan idols? How can a House of God become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why did Allah allow this to occur to his place of worship? If the kabba was the original house of Allah, why did muhammed directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem ? Could it be that Jerusalem is holier than the kabba ?

analice107:

Your mouth is running like a dirty sewer, very unbecoming of a lady. Go back and read what you typed, what happens to a muslims brain? Someone said Islam is a virus, am beginning to see it. Islam has eaten ur etiquette. Learn some manners.

Your mother's mouth is running like a dirty sewer eh. uhmmmmn

Look at the re.t.ard forming courteous .I just went through your comments and you're as stvp!d as the kiriyos here

When the same thing you spider monkeys dish out is being served to you in two fold,you start trying to form mannerly or talking about gender.You can only deceive your one-eyed father and kiriyo kids like malvisgay,unphagass and Truthfag not me.

It's like you monkeys don't even know how long I've been watching you. I viewed this section for over 5 months as a guest before coming in.I noticed you l.un.atics don't even debate.All you do is insult

Like I said you're welcome to the serving list and look! I don't care whether your father is a g.ay-theist.We'll still slap that bony arse

I'm not here to debate with you.I'm here to curse your lineage.Okay?

Fagg.ot boy!

malvisguy212:
the pagans also prostrate when praying, are they also muslims ?

Dont you know islam is also paganism?

See them praying.....