analice107:

Yes dear, he is the one. He tried introducing this stuff over there, but found out he was in a wrong terrain, that's why he opened this one for his kind.
Satan's chances are running out very fast, so He has to work very hard. Soon, very soon...

And you came all the way here, just to write this?

Sarassin:


And you came all the way here, just to write this?

No. Actually, when I saw your moniker, I was like, ah, it's Sarassin. Let me see what he's got. Only to discover you are grand wizard.
Bros, hellfire hot well well oo. No be joke. Helllllll hoooot

Sarassin:


You should read some of his works, in particular Liber LXXXIV Vel Chanokh as well as Crowley’s treatise on his work with “Aethyrs” Liber 418 (The vision and Voice)

I've read a lot of Crowley in my youth. A helluva lot (no pun intended). What is it about Liber 84 that you find so impressive? Is it because it is dense? Not every dense text is intelligent, it can also be a load of nonsense.

How many Rabbi's do you know that rate Crowley's qabala? Or any traditional qabalist?

My point exactly, it takes all sorts. Moral rectitude has never been a pre-requisite to forming a religious or mystical order. The number of followers of a religious order is of no consequence to me, I do not practice any religion.

That was not your point at all. This is what you said in response to my statement about spiritual accomplishments , I quote: I can provide you a list of religious founders all the way from the Prophet Muhammed to Joseph Smith and Ron L. Hubbard whose lives would not pass your morality test, the knees of whose followers continue to blister in unabated obeisance, let us not get too judgemental.

You obviously took followership to be a sign of spiritual accomplishment. If you want to retract from that stance I'll accept your retraction.

Yes, I did state that I consider Crowley a great occultist and mystic, that is my opinion and it is based on his work not on hype. In my view when you criticize a man for his lack of self-discipline, addictions and what have you, then it is a moral judgement.

Whether or not it's a moral judgement is not the koko. I'm saying that someone that doesn't have discipline and is a slave to addictions cannot by a great mystic.

I am not sure where you have gotten the idea that great followership is of importance to me. I saw the program Derren Brown replicated the dodgy miracles perpetrated by evangelical con-men, it merely vindicated what I already knew. I am also familiar with the techniques of auto-suggestion and mesmerism, Benny Hinn jackets and all.

I got the idea when in response to what I said about spiritual accomplishments you pointed to many religious founders who have a big following.

As for Crowley in Boleskin Hse, I read that he abandoned the process less than half-way through after getting called away and neglected to carry out banishing rites leading to all sorts of manifestations. More likely he lacked the self-discipline to complete the process. The singer Jimmy Page has since stated that Boleskin Hse was renowned for being haunted even before Crowley purchased the property. Crowley would not be the first or the last to attempt the Abramelin Rites and fail. More than anything else I believe he wanted to validate the grimoire.

Whether he wanted to validate the grimoire or not, he failed. How can someone who failed be considered by you to be a great mystic? Someone who ran away from his own mess after the spirits flogged him out of the house.

15And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" 16And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded
Acts 19

You do not rate Crowley, I get it. Your opinions of his abilities seem to me to be formed by the larger than life personality of the man.

I think the vast majority are familiar with perhaps just one aspect of Crowley’s work and that is mostly his work on invocations/evocations of entities and his incorporation of Goetia into Thelema, this is the part that mostly concerns the dilettante who will then fancy their abilities in their quest for wealth, fame and whatnot to conjure a demon, a spirit or entity to do their bidding.

I do not rate Crowley, not because of any larger than life nonsense, but because he was a pathetic failure with a nasty attitude to supplement it.

Crowley himself once stated that Magical Invocations/Evocations were a form of psychological self-exploration, Carl Jung had similar views. I have no idea what level practitioner you are or if indeed you are a practitioner at all, but given that we know any invocation or evocation inevitably means that the summoned entity will take possession of the practitioner, do you then wonder why absolute idi.ots lacking basic precautions and lacking the psychic strength to withstand the inundation of force that will accompany a possession….lose their minds?

At least on this one I agree with Crowley about the psychological exploration. And Carl Jung too. Let me put it in very simple terms so everybody can understand. These rituals are nothing but Induced Psychosis. The very that people get locked up for in Yaba Left, that is what these people are trying to bring about in themselves. The idea is that it can be controlled and used purposefully.

Invocations are the same thing as possession, but there is nothing unique about possession here. The world history is full of possession cults.

Christianity is itself a possession Cult. The christian is possessed by the Holy spirit etc etc. Orisha cults are all possession cults. Most traditional religions are possession cults.

The problem is not that one gets possessed but the type of entity possessing you and how you prepare yourself for it. If you have an arrogant disposition and malevolence then you're in trouble because in the spiritual world, like attracts like. You get it? According to your personality and orientation the kind of entities that you'll attract will come. So you see that purifying the soul is a very important prerequisite and your moral character is of utmost importance.

Whether it is Crowley’s system or not Hermetic Qabalah, or to call a spade a spade, Ceremonial magic is not a business for shrinking violets or those of the disposition of wallpaper flower, one requires a huge Ego, a brass neck and supreme confidence in one’s own abilities to command one’s space and summon, conjure and instruct an entity. Mis-application of ritual, ego-driven non-observance of simple precautionary measures and a lack of diligence often leads to devastating and un-intended consequences. You are either all in or all out, and if you get it wrong no cricket bats or Philly blunt will save you. If it is too much then it is perhaps best you stick to “iwa pele”

You see those parts that I've marked purple. Those are the parts where you're most playing with your own destruction.

That huge Ego is the one thing that you don't need. What you need is to make a confession of Ignorance at the threshold.

This is done in every religion plugged into the tradition. Humility is your greatest asset.

Even the most experienced Babalawo will reiterate: Iwo L'awo, Emi l'ogberi. Meaning you are the initiate and I am the ignorant. They say this to everyone. Even to the person coming for consultation.
Before any ritual they will make an appeal to the Isoro orun. That is the Masters of the rites in heaven. They will beg them to come and conduct the ritual for them. Nobody knows too much, or even knows enough. All your diligence and precautionary measures can help you none. Humility, my guy. That very Iwa-pele that you are scorning and deriding. You need to learn what it is.

Good Luck.

stonemasonn:
@ Sarassin and euromillion are you guys for real? Rites in different countries of the world! What are you guys seeking?? Are your cults in anyway related to Ifa or is it masonry or illuminati? Are there any financial/social/political benefits? Are there special teachings for attaining power/influence/self esteem etc and any side effects/repercussions? And do you think historical figures like Abraham, King Solomon, Pythagoras, Jesus, Muhammad etc were also occult members?

Jesus not. Maybe the rest. (Edited: also not Moses, Abraham, definitely not King Solomon)

Of course everything a human does has repercussions. Here, the rituals are solely intended to attract demonic possession, so be ready for unnecessary torment. Sarrasin is right. There are people who can handle this. You need a certain level of darkness to engage in these things, otherwise the demons you attract will come only to destroy you.

Some of the ritual may seen vain, but that's the secret behind the powers of darkness. Vanity is key. So is the lust of the flesh. The power of Jesus works with the exact opposite. The flesh has to die, and there is no vanity. Every action has to have order, meaning and fruitfulness. Goodness.

That's the difference.

Are commercial magicians part of this thing. Another one was walking on River Thames on t.v. For a while before the police took him out. Explain How do demons facilitate that Sarassin.

I don't believe they are defying gravity. Some unseen hands?

Muafrika2:
Are commercial magicians part of this thing. Another one was walking on River Thames on t.v. For a while before the police took him out. Explain How do demons facilitate that Sarassin.

I don't believe they are defying gravity. Some unseen hands?

This dude is funny o! You saw someone walking on river thames?

Muafrika2:

Jesus not. Maybe the rest. (Edited: also not Moses, Abraham, definitely not King Solomon)
Of course everything a human does has repercussions. Here, the rituals are solely intended to attract demonic possession, so be ready for unnecessary torment. Sarrasin is right. There are people who can handle this. You need a certain level of darkness to engage in these things, otherwise the demons you attract will come only to destroy you.
Some of the ritual may seen vain, but that's the secret behind the powers of darkness. Vanity is key. So is the lust of the flesh. The power of Jesus works with the exact opposite. The flesh has to die, and there is no vanity. Every action has to have order, meaning and fruitfulness. Goodness.
That's the difference.

On a more serious note. You have to be very careful about the majority of these churches that are called christian churches. Somebody will take you there and they will say 'are you ready to receive the holy spirit?'. Then like mumu you too will say 'yes' and you will open yourself up.

Look around you. Does the person giving you the spirit look like he has a clean spirit in him. Are you sure you're not opening yourself up to a spirit of Avarice, or Mendacity, or Deceit? And the more these 'spirit filled churches' proliferated the lower the country sinks into a quagmire of opacity.

All these arrogant strutting lying pastor can not give you anything good. Don't open yourself up to them.

PastorAIO:


This dude is funny o! You saw someone walking on river thames?

Yeah. A British magician. He also turned a cup of coffee unto a cup full of coins, I think.

On a more serious note. You have to be very careful about the majority of these churches that are called christian churches. Somebody will take you there and they will say 'are you ready to receive the holy spirit?'. Then like mumu you too will say 'yes' and you will open yourself up.

Look around you. Does the person giving you the spirit look like he has a clean spirit in him. Are you sure you're not opening yourself up to a spirit of Avarice, or Mendacity, or Deceit? And the more these 'spirit filled churches' proliferated the lower the country sinks into a quagmire of opacity.

All these arrogant strutting lying pastor can not give you anything good. Don't open yourself up to them.

This is quite true. In fact, am wondering why some of these occultic threads here are offering unnecessary rituals. Some Pentecoctal preachers are doing the same things with little effort. (Emphasis on Some. Of course there is always the 10% who are not of this suspect stock.) They should come here and share their trade secrets.

Muafrika2:


Yeah. A British magician. He also turned a cup of coffee unto a cup full of coins, I think.




This is quite true. In fact, am wondering why some of these occultic threads here are offering unnecessary rituals. Some Pentecoctal preachers are doing the same things with little effort. (Emphasis on Some. Of course there is always the 10% who are not of this suspect stock.) They should come here and share their trade secrets.

lol share trade secrets. Well no knowledge is a waste. I entered this thread follow and maybe learn something about Sarasins spiritual experience.

Muafrika2:




This is quite true. In fact, am wondering why some of these occultic threads here are offering unnecessary rituals. Some Pentecoctal preachers are doing the same things with little effort. (Emphasis on Some. Of course there is always the 10% who are not of this suspect stock.) They should come here and share their trade secrets.

It is just more subtle with the preachers whereas with the ceremonial ritualists the effect is more dramatic.

PastorAIO:


It is just more subtle with the preachers whereas with the ceremonial ritualists the effect is more dramatic.

And what kinds of dramatic effects are we talking about?

Muafrika2:

And what kinds of dramatic effects are we talking about?

Description of an Evocation>

As a divine principle you call in your mind the intelligence Hagiel as if you would call its name, in your mind, throughout the whole sphere of the Venus. You must be convinced that your calling the name is heard everywhere in the Venussphere and that Hagiel, acknowledging you as her God, also hears you. Remain in this state of stress for a few moments, for your spirit will then conceive that Hagiel is answering you in your mind. Since you are in the Venus-sphere with your allconsciousness you will first register Hagiel's voice as if it were coming from the inmost depth of your own spirit. As soon as you hear the voice of Hagiel and as soon as you are sure that you see the spirit being, you return to your soul, keeping up your consciousness of being God himself, and you will find yourself reunited with your soul within your physical body. Now call for Hagiel again, this time actually whispering, and repeat the name a few times in the same manner. You will at once realize that Hagiel is already in your astral atmosphere, that she is already present in your room. If your operations have been successfully carried on up to this moment where Hagiel has come to your place of working, above the seal, then call in an undertone, or even aloud, that Hagiel should appear to you physically. At the moment of transition from the astral to the physical world never forget to convince yourself of the three forms of existence of your personality, so that you feel yourself allied to the astral body as a spirit and that you are with both these bodies at the same time in your physical body. This act of self-control is to help the being to follow the course of your thoughts and to betake itself from its own sphere into the sphere which you have prepared for it in your room. This means that the being appears in its mental and astral shape and that, depending on your power to materialize, it also assumes a physically condensed body.

You can now see and hear Hagiel in your magic triangle, or, if you have appropriately prepared your magic mirror for the appearance of this intelligence, Hagiel will appear in the mirror in accordance with her symbolic lay-out of the qualities of the Venus-sphere so that you are able to contact Hagiel consciously.

From http://www.hermes-press.com/bardon1.htm#practice


Evocation is different from Invocation though. Evocation is when you call an energy to appear outside of you. Invocation is when you invite the energy to enter you.

Nothing as dramatic as this often happens in churches but softly yet surely there are spiritual influences entering.

stonemasonn:
lol share trade secrets. Well no knowledge is a waste. I entered this thread follow and maybe learn something about Sarasins spiritual experience.

I realise that due to my banging on about Crowley I might have put him off sharing his experiences to the loss of us all. I'm regretting it a bit.

PastorAIO:


Description of an Evocation>


From http://www.hermes-press.com/bardon1.htm#practice


Evocation is different from Invocation though. Evocation is when you call an energy to appear outside of you. Invocation is when you invite the energy to enter you.

Nothing as dramatic as this often happens in churches but softly yet surely there are spiritual influences entering.

This Evocation explains a story about a church or two where a person claiming to be Jesus appeared.

You can find one of the stories here

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/article/2000083407/mary-akatsa-the-prophetess-who-unveiled-jesus-in-kawangware

I would not repeat after what you just quoted above since am trying to keep myself a demon free zone. But I know that these spirits are addicted to authority. And I am not taking lawless tenants in my spirit.

In churches, Invocation would subty happen in through affirmation, especially of spiritual authority. Church leaders nowadays insist on being called " spiritual father." That gives such spirits authority in people's lives. Then there is the thing with laying hands. Sometimes, it's as simple as close fellowship. The spirit of men is very sensitive, and responds to its environment(which is why I wonder the purpose of diagrams, signs and rituals. I know demons are not principled. Not even enough to follow their own rules. The most curious that I saw recently on a photo of a "satanic" church was upside down crosses for windows. I mean, seriously? That obviously is a very recent invention. More recent than the demons it's supposed to influence.)

People who may seek after this knowledge whether out of curiosity or misinformed choices need to know the following.

I have followed been reading through similar teachings here and the first step is the most important, the most dangerous for some people which am concerned about. Here, in the general steps;

1. By a person declaring themselves as God and speaking glory to themselves, what it does (this applies to those who don't belong in such) to such a person is it removes the protective spiritual seal that protects them from possession by any unclean spirits. This is a protection present in some people. By that, you are telling God off. He doesn't share glory with men you know.

2. The second stage is self or flesh appraisal. Taking the glory that only God should. When the lust of the flesh is entertained, the flesh that is killed in the elect awakes. This is a ruler, a power in the realm of darkness. He can go unnoticed until his season then all hell breaks lose and you wonder what happened. What happened is that your supposed friend is showing his true colours. And he's your enemy.

3. The third stage in PastorAIO's and other random demonstrations I've seen is the invitation of a demon. Demons are mischievous. You can never be sure of the identity of the invading spirit. Or that it will only be one. There is no "good " or "reasonable" demon. They are all mischievous.

The other things - rituals are just purely for vain reasons.

The first stage is enough to destroy a person. If you're a person of pure spirit that attempts it, that is an enemy that you have given a pass into your soul. His only purpose, like any other demon, shall be to destroy you. This may take time to be seen. The reason is that the world works in seasons. They will wait out for their season to come, and pounce when their time comes.

There is a way of fighting back. But remember, you will have disrobed yourself of the power of God, and invited a new ruler of your spirit. This is why being calm is important. Pray for peace and avoid contentions. The power to war will never be depleted. Remember, even hell cannot separate God from His own. It's very important also to be calm. Remember you are fighting a ruler controlling your spirit. Seasons come and go. One season will be for your destruction, then it will be followed by a season where you will have power to destroy your enemies. These are the times you pray with humility regardless of the iniquity that you may sense. Specifically, pray for translation into that first protection, that seal that was first broken.

Peace of mind is a great power that can be gotten back just like a quick thought. And it grows gradually inside a persons heart. It's the Principality of Christ. Treasure it, because you will never know it's worth until you lose it.

I go to the place where all that is good awaits me. I walk unhurriedly through the Elysian-like fields and long after the casual observer has been left far behind, a right turn when the fields turn to woods and suddenly the giant redwood tree is upon me, I sit at a familiar spot and in my mind’s eye I contemplate the tree, its huge trunk whose roots reach deep into the bowels of the earth giving firm rooting. I imbibe of that deep rootedness, I contemplate the thickness and solidity of the trunk and absorb its essence. The sprites come to investigate and seeing nothing of interest to them, they carry on with their gamboling and leave me to my susurrations.

Timelessness goes by and feeling completely reinvigorated, replenished and refreshed, I thank the redwood tree and continue on my journey to Arcadia. I move deeper and deeper into the woods, which by now is a forest and arrive at my destination, I come to an oval clearing where the trees form an overhead canopy, at the far end of the clearing is a raised rectangular stone altar shaped like a slab. I am welcomed by the one I refer to as the “ancient of days” he is always there as constant as the northern star, his flowing beard unaltered, he is there to admit those on “Samsara” and equally to give directions to the lost.

I give a bow to the ancient one, the courtesy is returned with a nod of the head he then gestures towards the altar, he retreats or vanishes, I never could tell. I walk up the two stone steps and stand before the stone altar with its silvery shimmery surface, I can see the reflection of the canopied trees and the sky above on the surface of the altar. I stand there in timelessness with my gaze fixed firmly on the surface and gently begin to relax my gaze, no longer “looking”, but “seeing” and as I do so, the surface of the altar begins to swirl, thick moving clouds begin to envelope me, I allow myself to tumble through the clouds, and like an airplane circling the skies before landing, instantly the clouds cleared and there in absolute clarity before me, was all the world.

This thread was most promising. We could have learned a lot more. I don't believe in the existence of the "devil", except as an egregore. But if there was to be a devil, it should definitely be man's ego. Ego is what killed this thread.