asalimpo:

Can you imagine? Common £30k is almost N10m here.
This country is screwed.

Programmers arent respected here. We are more of a consumer economy. Even water would be imported if we had our way. Any programming taking place is support programming. Patching, adding a feature or coding to support business operations (rudimentary). We have no core technological companies. Some people dont even know what a programmer does, they look at you puzzled if you say you are a programmer.

Yeah that sucks big time. The BIG difference in pay is shameful. Very Shameful. Programmers in Nigeria are definitely not respected at all.

Reason why I going so hard about this, is because my cousin was CONVINCED that I would earn more as a Web Dev in Nigeria as opposed to London. When I told him, an junior dev get paid more than a senior dev in Nigeria, he didnt believe me

Have any of you guys tried to apply for vacancies in other countries? PHP is still widely used.

The thing about being a developer here, is that if you only know one programming language either it be javascript, php, c# etc, there will always be a job for you..

Hell even simple Basic HTML & CSS knowledge can get you a job
For example developing email templates you can get paid really well here

Junior Email developer for 25k per annum (N7m)
http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Xcede/jobs/Junior-Email-Developer-477b29655eb2a900?q=HTML+Email+Developer

Why work for peanuts when you can earn 5 times in another country?

webdevgod:


Yeah that sucks big time. The BIG difference in pay is shameful. Very Shameful. Programmers in Nigeria are definitely not respected at all.

Reason why I going so hard about this, is because my cousin was CONVINCED that I would earn more as a Web Dev in Nigeria as opposed to London. When I told him, an junior dev get paid more than a senior dev in Nigeria, he didnt believe me

the only professions with good pay are those that confer bragging rights here. That's why certifications are so much a big deal here. Acca,ican, coren,LLB,LLM
, phD,mba,cfa,cisa. Once it can be mystified, certificatted, and bragged about
(e.g used to trail your name ), the salary may improve. That's how we think. If one corporation created artificial scarcity and prestige around programming,web dev like they do around, business admin (mba), accounting (acca,ican), law (law school), finance (cfa,cfe), or medicine (medical school). Nigerians will tumble over themselves to join, and the salary may improve. It's all myopia.
Programming trumps law,accounting,medicine etc in difficulty yet the professionals here are treated like sh*t.

webdevgod:
Have any of you guys tried to apply for vacancies in other countries? PHP is still widely used.

The thing about being a developer here, is that if you only know one programming language either it be javascript, php, c# etc, there will always be a job for you..

Hell even simple Basic HTML & CSS knowledge can get you a job
For example developing email templates you can get paid really well here

Junior Email developer for 25k per annum (N7m)
http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/Xcede/jobs/Junior-Email-Developer-477b29655eb2a900?q=HTML+Email+Developer

Why work for peanuts when you can earn 5 times in another country?

visa would be an ish i guess. But worlwide it seems there's a chronic shortage of programmers, so y are so many suffering here?

dammytosh:


PHP skill is common and cheap as far as the Nigerian Market is concerned.

Not many serious organization will value your PHP skills and compensate it monetarily the way they should.

Nothing is wrong with PHP as a language. I av been in the industry for a while so i think i know what i am saying.

Tell that to the people that are using PHP to make billions every year.

GodMode:


Tell that to the people that are using PHP to make billions every year.

Lol billion ko, na trillion.


The person i directed the message to got the message. I don't have strength for any silly arguements.

okeyxyz:


What are you talking about? What's wrong with PHP?

Plenty things is wrong with it.

If you are a newbie in programming and you want to code for the market, learn .Net Framework / Java

asalimpo:

Can you imagine? Common £30k is almost N10m here.
This country is screwed.

Programmers arent respected here. We are more of a consumer economy. Even water would be imported if we had our way. Any programming taking place is support programming. Patching, adding a feature or coding to support business operations (rudimentary). We have no core technological companies. Some people dont even know what a programmer does, they look at you puzzled if you say you are a programmer.

What I don't get is why more Nigerian programmers aren't trying to bid for remote contracting or outsourcing work. After all, there are plenty of websites like Freelancer (https://www.freelancer.com/), Elance (https://www.elance.com/) or Guru (http://www.guru.com/) where one can apply for a job even from Nigeria, and get paid in USD or Euros. Why earn peanuts working for a Nigerian firm when one can make much more without even have to leave the house?

dammytosh:


Lol billion ko, na trillion.


The person i directed the message to got the message. I don't have strength for any silly arguements.

No language beats PHP when it comes to freelancing..

webdevgod:


Yes, dev jobs in Europe and America pay very well compared to African countries, hence why it would be quite normal to find a job paying £200k, thats the norm here.

But I dont think the same can be said for Africa, Nigeria so to speak.

When I said, I saw a job being advertised paying N400k a year (£1440.20)..I was refering to this one:
http://www.jobspire.com.ng/job,vacancy,117113,2,Web-Developer-Graphics-Designer,The-Olakunle-Soriyan-Company,Ikeja.html

Even most of the job ads dont mention how you you will get paid


This is a junior entry role for a web developer in London paying up to £30k a year (N8.3m)
http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/junior-web-developer-net-newbury-30k/28973985#/jobs/junior-web-developer


Nigeria are paying peanuts man...I actually feel so sorry for Nigerian devs

So those guys claiming to that companies are paying N1m a month, where are these companies, post a link.

Like I said earlier. A graphics designer is different from a programmer.

Some one who copies php scripts up and down is not a programmer.

No COMPANY IN NIGERIA will pay a programmer 40k a month.

I got more even as IT student as a programmer over 11 years ago

and on the 1m a month a programmer is receiving, i have 3-4 friends i know.

If you are curious we can place a bet we arrange how you will see at least 1 play slip / offer letter.

Like i said. The skill set is not copying and pasting scripts. We are talking about core developers who build MISSION CRITICAL SYSTEMS not a website with marquee and java scripts.

GodMode:


No language beats PHP when it comes to freelancing..

You are simply buttressing my point that PHP is cheap.

No serious company in Nigeria will put their MISSION CRITICAL APPLICATIONS on PHP.

When i call programmers, i am not talking about some one who copies scripts and modify with a few texts flying from left to right on the screen.

K

GodMode:



What does "MISSION CRITICAL APPLICATIONS" mean

Any database can be penetrated regardless of the language the company uses.


PHP is not cheap.. You'll have said the same thing if most of the CMS and other software that people used were built in java or python.

No problem. Anything that rock your boat.

I have a hell of code to write than to engage in unproductive arguements.

K

K

GodMode:


I've already written my codes.

People are buying my codes online so I can counter your comments till eternity and my money keeps increasing ..

Its argument no "e" between the u and m, unless you're using argue on its own.

All laffable. That is typical of this generation,

Empty vessels makes the loudest noise.

What crappy code are people paying for ?

Oh My !

No wonder everybody kept assuming programming is about copying and pasting some silly scripts and adjusting a CMS template.

You have a very looooong way to go. Over 10 years in this game and I can tell you with authority.

Go and learn and quit the get coins (money) fast schemes.

dammytosh:


Like I said earlier. A graphics designer is different from a programmer.

Some one who copies php scripts up and down is not a programmer.

No COMPANY IN NIGERIA will pay a programmer 40k a month.

I got more even as IT student as a programmer over 11 years ago

and on the 1m a month a programmer is receiving, i have 3-4 friends i know.

If you are curious we can place a bet we arrange how you will see at least 1 play slip / offer letter.

Like i said. The skill set is not copying and pasting scripts. We are talking about core developers who build MISSION CRITICAL SYSTEMS not a website with marquee and java scripts.

Some one who copies php scripts up and down is not a programmer.

Lol..

I dont know what field you are in, but Im in Web Development, and PHP is very serious for back end developers espically when it comes to developing eCommerce sites.

And what do you mean by copying and pasting scripts?

GodMode:


Programming has countless professional certifications. If you travel abroad and get a coding related professional certificate with good score companies will track you down.

Unlike like here that people track down companies..

theyre cheap compared to more prestigious certs in other fields.
And very unpopular cuz with programming you just cant fake it.
Many companies will take a degree or portfolios over any piece of paper anyday.

I'm just saying in Nigeria , paper certs is job market currency.


I know of java cert , but it's a dubious thieving scam by oracle.
Ocja,ocjp are all objective questions. Tell me, how does passing objective tests demonstrate that you are a competent programmer? It doesnt but it lines oracles pocket with your fees.

Ocj m - you take a project and do some actual coding. But you have to pay oracle $900 for compulsory training! Training you already possess, if you can programme.

Microsoft certs are the same.
Exploitation.

dammytosh:


You are simply buttressing my point that PHP is cheap.

No serious company in Nigeria will put their MISSION CRITICAL APPLICATIONS on PHP.

When i call programmers, i am not talking about some one who copies scripts and modify with a few texts flying from left to right on the screen.

Im pretty sure PHP is a programming language if you check here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages

Therefore anyone who writes script in PHP is a PHP programmer.

asalimpo:

the only professions with good pay are those that confer bragging rights here. That's why certifications are so much a big deal here. Acca,ican, coren,LLB,LLM
, phD,mba,cfa,cisa. Once it can be mystified, certificatted, and bragged about
(e.g used to trail your name ), the salary may improve. That's how we think. If one corporation created artificial scarcity and prestige around programming,web dev like they do around, business admin (mba), accounting (acca,ican), law (law school), finance (cfa,cfe), or medicine (medical school). Nigerians will tumble over themselves to join, and the salary may improve. It's all myopia.
Programming trumps law,accounting,medicine etc in difficulty yet the professionals here are treated like sh*t.

Over here, experience is what counts most. Most jobs dont require you to have certificates and all that jazz. As long as you have a portfolio to show case your skills, you'll get the job.

K

webdevgod:


Over here, experience is what counts most. Most jobs dont require you to have certificates and all that jazz. As long as you have a portfolio to show case your skills, you'll get the job.

that's a developed society. Where truth and reason guides action not sentiments. Over here it's the other way around.
That's 9jans queue up to run to where things work.
You can imagine having portfolios, acing interviews, proving your mettle hands on, yet being ignored cuz you dont have some kind of paper? And these are jobs that require just basic logic not scientific knowledge. That's 9ja for you.

ILoveMakonen:
I want a php programmer that i can rub mind with 4 christ sake. Naija so lame when it comes to good things! So angry!!

Im just seeing this, bros what is your problem?

silento:
Good coders are here and good commenters here all so but anyway anambra people has the highest number of serious coders in Nigeria and here

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CodeHouse:


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sir c

webdevgod:


Yeah, senior devs get paid 80-100k and over.

Junior devs get paid on average 18-30k

Mid devs get paid 30-80k

Depends on which company you work for, but most Development companies pay really well here. What about Nigeria?

Not too different, like you said it depends on which company you work for.

dammytosh:


Plenty things is wrong with it.

If you are a newbie in programming and you want to code for the market, learn .Net Framework / Java

Not so. There's nothing wrong with PHP except for the ignorant perception by the Nigerian market which is still an infant industry. PHP does the job as well as any other server side programming language. And PHP is getting more powerful and much faster by the day.

okeyxyz:


Not so. There's nothing wrong with PHP except for the ignorant perception by the Nigerian market which is still an infant industry. PHP does the job as well as any other server side programming language. And PHP is getting more powerful and much faster by the day.

Yes perception by the Nigerian market is a fact. Ignorance or not is the only one I disagree with.

In current Nigeria, and I remember saying the same statement 8 years ago.

PHP resources are very cheap and too many to come by. The adverse effect is that you will come across many quacks who modify a template and feels they are also programmers until a requirement specific to a domain comes and they discover that there is more to life of a programmer than ADD, DELETE , INSERT and UPDATING the DB with a page and script generation tools.

If you are in school and preparing for the Market and you want a steady rise and impact in all the major sectors. PHP alone cannot take you there.

^^^ @dammytosh
Nobody is saying PHP alone can take you to your career heights. I just have a problem with your attempt to knock down PHP on the premise that it's not very valuable in the Nigerian market. I still maintain this is due to ignorance in the market. People generally don't respect much a tool that is easy to learn, which is what PHP is to any newbie. No fancy nor complex installations & setups. Just install your LAMP or WAMP, type simple instructions in notepad++ and point your browser to the domain, and that's it. Easy!! But in terms of functionality, libraries, documentation & support, usability & flexibility, PHP does it's job as perfectly as any other tool out there.

I understand your rating based on commercial value IN NIGERIA, but that's not a technical assessment. It does not demonstrate that PHP has any functional, performance nor securiity drawbacks when compared to other tools.

okeyxyz:
^^^ @dammytosh
Nobody is saying PHP alone can take you to your career heights. I just have a problem with your attempt to knock down PHP on the premise that it's not very valuable in the Nigerian market. I still maintain this is due to ignorance in the market. People generally don't respect much a tool that is easy to learn, which is what PHP is to any newbie. No fancy nor complex installations & setups. Just install your LAMP or WAMP, type simple instructions in notepad++ and point your browser to the domain, and that's it. Easy!! But in terms of functionality, libraries, documentation & support, usability & flexibility, PHP does it's job as perfectly as any other tool out there.

I understand your rating based on commercial value IN NIGERIA, but that's not a technical assessment. It does not demonstrate that PHP has any functional, performance nor securiity drawbacks when compared to other tools.

You know wat, u got my point.

I am not talking technical value in Nigeria , i am talking about commercial value.

A .NET/JAVA enterprise developer will likely be offered twice if not thrice of what a PHP programmer will be offered in Nigeria. I hire for the 3 and i know wat i am saying.

I write the 3 comfortably and i have deployed applications running with them.

But as someone who have experience in the industry, i won't advise anyone to focus on PHP.

dammytosh:

You know wat, u got my point.

I am not talking technical value in Nigeria , i am talking about commercial value.

A .NET/JAVA enterprise developer will likely be offered twice if not thrice of what a PHP programmer will be offered in Nigeria. I hire for the 3 and i know wat i am saying.

I write the 3 comfortably and i have deployed applications running with them.

But as someone who have experience in the industry, i won't advise anyone to focus on PHP.

You're right sissy

dammytosh:

You know wat, u got my point.

I am not talking technical value in Nigeria , i am talking about commercial value.

A .NET/JAVA enterprise developer will likely be offered twice if not thrice of what a PHP programmer will be offered in Nigeria. I hire for the 3 and i know wat i am saying.

I write the 3 comfortably and i have deployed applications running with them.

But as someone who have experience in the industry, i won't advise anyone to focus on PHP.

You're right. I think the word programmer shd be a term for someone who can switch potency btw different prog languages. What i mean is focusing on a particular one language is something an up coming programmer shdn't do.