Romans 16:17-18:
17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

One thing is certain Apostle Paul was one of the few Apostles personally commissioned by our lord Jesus christ to preach the gospel and spread it to the utter most parts of the world as such we can always rely on his writtings to guide us. Evidently as far back as the time of the apostles false teachers were already introducing heretical teachings to make money and fleece the flock, hence the warning Paul gave above that christians should watch out for those teaching things contrary to the teachings of the apsotles As they never preached tithes rather they stated that church giving must be free will offerings without any form of obligation[2 cor9:7] contrary to compulsary tithing being preached by these crooks. It is quite evident from the scriptures that tithing is contrary to the teachings of the apostles, this automatically qualifies it as a false christian teaching and makes it a good example of what paul was warning us against in the above passage as it is quite evident that the tithes is in the personal interest of the charlatans that preach it. In summary the bible tells us to stay away from tithe preachers as they are not only fleecing you they are leading brethen away from the truth of christ's grace and salvation.



ps: People have accused me on this forum of being very vehement against tithes, this i accept. But as a true chrisitan i don't have a choice but to speak against evil especially if this evil is gaining prominence in the church of christ and is also cutting off christians from the grace and salavation of christ. In my next thread i would explain why it is very dangerous for christians to indulged in this demonic, oppressive and useless practise.

What actually did Apostle Paul say about tithe? Did he object to tithe? Please post such Bible passages or

@kunleOshob,
Preach the gospel,the Lord is with you

kola oloye:

@kunleOshob,
Preach the gospel,the Lord is with you

Thanx my brother.

ukotmi:

What actually did Apostle Paul say about tithe? Did he object to tithe? Please post such Bible passages or

Well what paul was saying in the above passage was that chrisitans should steer clear of preachers who taught things different from what he and the other apostles taught as they were after there own personal interest. Today tithing is a very good example of what the apsostles never taught which preachers now preach becos it is in their personal interest. The scriptures is clearly against it and we should flee from these false prophets who keep twisting the scriptures in their own personal interest

ukotmi:

What actually did Apostle Paul say about tithe? Did he object to tithe? Please post such Bible passages or

The book of hebrew is creditted to apostle paul, this is what it has to say about the defunct doctrine of tithes. Please make sure you read the whole passage in proper context, special emphasis shouid be given to verses 11,12,18& 19. Verse 5 also makes in clear that it is the commandment to tithe under the law that is being addressed in the passage.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

   5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

   6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

   7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

   8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

   9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

   10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

   11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

    12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

   13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

   14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

   15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

   16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

   17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

   18[b]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

   19For the law made nothing perfect, [/b] but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

If u r against tithe fine,but dont put words into apostle paul's mouth saying that's what he meant in that passage.

timmy7:

If u r against tithe fine,but dont put words into apostle paul's mouth saying that's what he meant in that passage.

So what law did was described s weak or unprofitable in verse 18/19. That apart which law was changed in verse 12. If you decide to read the passage in it's proper context  you would realise that it is none other than the almighty tithes that is being rubbished and annulled. Verse 5 makes it very clear that it is tithes being annulled in that passage. That is a very obvious truth that cannot be denied but your thieving pastors would not tell you this cos of the love they have for filthy lucre.

I would soon be starting a thread on how the bible teaches us to recognise false prophets, it is quite instructive that false prophets are always associated with those who twist the gospel to make money. You guys look out for it and you would be richly blessed and free from the burden of these false teachers. John 8:32:

32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

In essense ur crusade is abt false prophets,pastors of institutionalised church etc, I see

@kunleoshob
I am eagerly awaiting the thread on false prophets, so many of them abound today it is difficult to say who is who.

Hi a ! it is been a while, please do further research on the truth and justice. We need to liberate this country from thieving pastors and politicians who steal your tithe and taxes respectively for themselves and their cronies.

Unfortunately u cant succeed doing that on d internet,maybe u should do a publication and distribute it freely

the fact that people have made tithing into a business does not invalidate tithing as a bonafide genuine bible doctrine.
Mal 3:8 will tell you that not tithing is robbery.
if you are not comfortable with the pastor, pay your tithe elsewhere

@knight1
And does that same malachi 3:8 tell you that tithes is money?

timmy7:

Unfortunately u cant succeed doing that on d internet,maybe u should do a publication and distribute it freely

The internet [information super highway] remains the best, most effective and cheapest means of spreading information today. That not withstanding i am employing other means of spreading the good news and setting the captives free.

PS: I am still gathering ammunition for my forth coming threads, as you all know i always back up my posts with sound scriptures. I should start shooting them out soon, it promises to be vey revealing and thought provoking.

@KunleOshob,

So nice to see you've resumed duty!

I'll be looking out for your threads everyday. Keep up the good work!

@kunleoshob
see you campaigning against tithes using the bible. would this make u see God? ok the pastors are taking the money right, then if you dont have the conviction, dont pay !.
maybe after this campaign, u would now help campaign against paying tax. after all the politicians take the money and put in their private accounts coz i can see how passionate u are about this tithe/ money thing.

duality:

@kunleoshob
see you campaigning against tithes using the bible. would this make u see God? ok the pastors are taking the money right, then if you dont have the conviction, dont pay !.
maybe after this campaign, u would now help campaign against paying tax. after all the politicians take the money and put in their private accounts coz i can see how passionate u are about this tithe/ money thing.

Are you new on this forum or did you assume a new I.D to make this post? The weight of evindence against tithing as it is being practised in the bible today is humongous and most nairalanders have come to ralsied that compulsary tithing is a fraud against christians based on twisted scripture if you sincerely wish to know the truth about tithes you are welcome to read this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113108.0.html if you have any questions afterwards i would be glad to respond.

petres_007:

@KunleOshob,

So nice to see you've resumed duty!

I'll be looking out for your threads everyday. Keep up the good work!

Thanx my brother, it is great to be back.

Acts 17:24-25:

24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

The above passage makes it clear that it is heretical to claim giving to the church mens giving to God. At best we should use the statement "giving to support the gospel" but our pastors want to delude us to believe we are giving to God when they collect tithes/offerings from us. The bible makes it clear we can't give to God neither does God who created anything as any need of anything from us. I actually think it is a big insult on the almighty for us humans to make the heretic statement that we are giving to God.

Acts 20:29-30:
29 I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock. 30 Even some men from your own group will rise up and distort the truth in order to draw a following.

The false teachers like vicious wovles paul predicted abound today and have not only distorted the truth to draw a following but also to make money as paul expresses in verse 33 of the same passage which goes thus:
Acts 20:33-35:
33 “I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34 You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs and even the needs of those who were with me. 35 And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard. You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Need i say more the great apostle paul was working hard to help the needy, he was giving to his congregation from the sweat of his labour. he made it clear that he did not request any material needs from the flock. When you consider that apostle paul was probably the apostle that spread christianity the farthest[virtually the whole roman empire then] and yet he did not demand money to "spread the gospel" like some of these crooks who now need a private jet to spread the gospel. In the days of paul it was the preacher that did the giving but today it is the other way round.

Why am i preaching this truth about the false and heretic doctrine of tithes? Because the bible demands it:

Titus 1:11:
11 They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money.
When more and more people know the truth about the fallacy of tithing and other false teachings pastors would think twice before twisting gospel for the sake of making money.

Colossians 2:8:
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

Today many christians have been captured with empty philosophies and high sounding nonsense such as tithes which comes from human greed rather than the grace of christ.
Titus 1:14:
14 They must stop listening to Jewish myths and the commands of people who have turned away from the truth.

A very good example of jewish myth is tithes and the elusive blessings that is supoosed to come from it.

duality:

@kunleoshob
see you campaigning against tithes using the bible. would this make u see God? ok the pastors are taking the money right,  then if you dont have the conviction, dont pay !.
maybe after this campaign, u would now help campaign against paying tax. after all the politicians take the money and put in their private accounts coz i can see  how passionate u are about  this tithe/ money thing.

Kunle, I’d like to know the ministry you fellowship with.{ Jst being curious }
i.m not new to this forum, coz I know your  stock-in – trade is to open controversial  threads about Christianity . As if your life depended on it .
I jst said you could say, stop paying taxes  ; after all its being misappropriated
You see, doing this would not stop people who have strong conviction about tithing; b/cos they have Gods blessings to show for it. So IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE CONVICTION , THEN DON’T PAY. Haba!
It seems you don’t read those threads u create coz no matter all you say people still believe in tithing.
So save urself these stress and let God be the judge. Coz YOU ARE NOT GOD.

[quote author=duality link=topic=315563.msg4446406#msg4446406 date=1251554059
It seems you don’t read those threads u create coz no matter all you say people still believe in tithing.
So save urself these stress and let God be the judge. Coz YOU ARE NOT GOD.
[quote][/quote]

You would be shocked how many people have renounced tithing on nairaland alone since we start showing people biblical proofs that it is a scam. The truth can't be hidden for long, as the bible say "ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

I beleive as christians we have a duty to fight against our faith being hijacked by scammers who are only interested in their bellies. The bible warned us about them.

the word appostle always make me laugh dunno why

1 Timothy 4:1-2:
Warnings against False Teachers
1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. 2 These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.

The bible is truely a wonderful book and it is the selfless truth preached by christ and the apostles that renewed my conviction in the faith. You see Paul here calling false teachers demons they are nothing short of that with their demonic, selfish and oppressive teachings that is geared towards just lining their pockets. their judgement as already been passed. Today a lot of people assume they are christians but as paul predicted they have turned away from the true faith and are actually involved in marmon worship promoted by false prosperity doctrines that people enjoy hearing instead of truely seeking to do the will of God.

While I cannot claim to support or disapprove of what Kunle is claiming about tithes, one thing I know for sure is that men have since time immmemorial distorted the truth about the scriptures for various reasons. I think we owe it to ourselves to take out time to continously research the scripture and ask for God's guidance in understanding it. It is not enough that you believe everything your Pastor says for they are also humans and not ultimately incapable of wrong doings. That doesn't also mean you should take everything Kunle says. Do your own research, read the bible, ask God for understanding and at the end of your research if you have the conviction that tithing should continue, then by all means continue it and if you discover otherwise, then you should discontinue it. God has been gracious enough to give us the bible, we should read it and ask for understanding.

@duality !
I have a question for you, do you believe Kunle is biased and subjective or why do you believe he is unjustly attacking false doctrine. Christianity has fought several wars - known as crusades to conquer heretic teaching within Christiandom and outside Christiandom. We shouldn't sit back and allow false doctrine that pauperize men and women of simple minds to continue. Or how do you explain the purchase of luxury jets in the face of poverty. The Europeans who brought Christianity to Africa set very good examples, they were seen to be morally upright and preached and practice love thy neighbor as yourself.

Paul also warned strongly about divisions[denominations] in the church. But today new denominations are springing up every day, in fact it as now become the order of the day in the pentecostal movement[who are notorious for promoting confusion in chrisitianity] and they all claim that God "called" them to leave their existing churches and start their own ministry.

1 Corinthians 1:10-13:
Divisions in the Church
10 I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose. 11 For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters. 12 Some of you are saying, “I am a follower of Paul.” Others are saying, “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Peter,” or “I follow only Christ.”13 Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!

Obviously one of the main reasons for divisions in the church today is the love for filthy lucre[money] which is mostly financed by the heretic teaching of tithes every pastor wants to be in charge of the church's treasury hence they find it convinient to ignore apostle paul's warnings.

1 Corinthians 14:27-28:
27 No more than two or three should speak in tongues. They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say. 28 But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately.

How does the above instruction compare with the madness going on in our pentecostal churches today all in the name of speaking in fake tongues? How many of them interprete? I wonder why they love maing a mockery of themselves in the delusion they are speaking to God.

@ KunleOshob

I keep wondering whats with you and tithes.

I want you to always remember that there are two sides to every coin.

If my pastor or anyone can twist the bible for me to pay tithes, anyone be it pastor or not also can twist the bible for me not to pay tithes.

In as much as it is not expressly written in the bible as: Woe unto you that PAY tithes or woe unto you that DO NOT pay tithe[/b]s - We should learn to give our brief and let the holy spirit lead us as Christian.


It is expressly written in the bible that "[b] the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" yet so many do not believe in the God's existence. I think we can start tackling things from those areas that are boldly written in the bible.


This is just my own 2 cents. Ciao

Kunle,

I think you have to be clear what you are fighting. Are fighting the paying of tithe or are you against its use in the church? They are two different issues and to be sure men of God have abused Tithe money for their selfish pursuits. You need tithe for the church to grow, for full time men of God to be paid and for evangelism. The economics of churches will fail without tithe, with only free will offering. That means propagation of God's words suffer.

The early church in Acts did more than tithing. They offered 100% to the service of God. If you held back, you were found dead. Matter of fact, God owns your money 100%, so if you don't tithe, you invite some other situation to yourselve. Other angels like devil, sickness, accident, armed robbery, 419, etc could dispossess you of more than you could have paid tithing.