diggz:


Oga nateevs I see ur name naim I rush make I come read ur take on the whooping we got from mcity, just to see Jamie vardy

U don jump ship

All men dey find somewhere hold body.

Nihilist:
We no get left back, we no get centre back, wingers nko?

No ten, and only one striker. An Ediot keeper, and No Bench.



I no fit laugh abeg. Happy Sunday boys...

Honestly, we just let Leicester win at Stamford Bridge. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to lend a helping hand to a Chelsea former manager

Even the CFC fans at SB on that day would loudly cheer every Leicester goal.

Emaprince:
Dam.n.. Red for vardy!

Was it a straight red?

Can't wait for u guy to change the thread topic



CHAMPIONS OF ENGLAND

CFCman:

Was it a straight red?

No, second yellow.

I think the ref wanted leicester to lose that match. The penalty he gave to westham was undeserved.

Dongorgon5:
Ivanovic too is finished

yes but since he already have a year left, he is manageable at least serving multipurpose for us CB and RB

Emaprince:
No, second yellow.

I think the ref wanted leicester to lose that match. The penalty he gave to westham was undeserved.

Don't you also think he made up for it with the PK he awarded to Leicester too?

raumdeuter:


I have always told you that you know nothing about football

These are the words from the mouth of debruyne directly

“He called in all the attacking midfielders,” said De Bruyne of his final weeks in west London, during an interview with the Daily Telegraph. “He showed us the stats of his six players - assists, goals, passing percentage, key passes, dribbles. He wanted to prove I didn't perform on the level of the others.

“I simply answered him: ‘Sorry, that's not logical. I've played less games than the others. How can you compare me to the others?’ That was just not fair in my eyes.”

"After his press conference in Bucharest I even started training harder, even on my days off. But my situation never changed. That's why I asked him in a friendly way: ‘Please let me go.’

"Chelsea wanted to loan me out, even wanted me to stay, but I had enough of it. I wanted to leave."

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/kevin-de-bruyne-on-chelsea-exit-jose-mourinho-was-unfair-and-tried-to-prove-i-wasnt-good-enough-a3226946.html

This is just one part of the whole story .
Chelsea had already created the condition that made him difficult to keep. Mourinho only did what he had to do at the time. I'm not absolving Jose of every blame but it's obvious you didn't really understand the condition at the time. De Bruyne had to contend with Willian, Mata, Oscar and other senior players like Lampard for a post and even the newly bought Schurrle and Willian had to be played. There's no way he was going to win that battle. Read that post again.

Everyone would know that Hiddink regime has been a huge improvement over Mourinhos. What was Chelseas position with Mourinho and what are they now? How many losses with Mourinho how many losses after

Like I said I would continue to school you everyday and twice on weekends

Go and edit your initial post again like you normally do

This was your old post on points accrued per game, remember?

raumdeuter:


Was there a statistical improvement from Hiddink vs Mourinho this season Yes or No?

0.9 point per game vs 1.5 game per season

Now Hiddink's rate is now 1.1

0.9 vs 1.1... where is the ''huge improvement''?

Do you know what Hiddink's rate would be by the end of the season?

I told you Chelsea's problems were bigger than Mourinho but you wouldn't listen.

Debruyne said it openly is clear to the blind that he didn't get a fair chance from mourinho compared to what other attacking midfielder got. He now called them out to embarrass KdB by comparing his stats with those who played more minutes

So who's to blame here? Was it Roman who refused to play KdB and pursued a vendetta to humiliate him despite him training extra than others.

Who's responsible for team selection that didn't choose KdB but favored some others over him. Kevin just returned from a sterling world cup where he was one if the best performers for Belgium

Point is KdB was never given a fair chance by the manager and he had to leave.

Even if we ignore all the other factors like the whole team packing it up in anticipation of the new season and manager Hiddink has still done better statistically than mourinho who assembled the team had a full preseason vs a caretaker who was just brought in to do a break fix and manage the mess created by mourinho

dmcdad:

Don't you also think he made up for it with the PK he awarded to Leicester too?

yeah, he made up for it but that goal dented the spirit of those leicester boys. They were ready to fight and defend that lead until the ref helped hammers out when they couldn't create a scoring opportunity.

Emaprince:
yeah, he made up for it but that goal dented the spirit of those leicester boys. They were ready to fight and defend that lead until the ref helped hammers out when they couldn't create a scoring opportunity.

Admittedly so.

raumdeuter:
Debruyne said it openly is clear to the blind that he didn't get a fair chance from mourinho compared to what other attacking midfielder got. He now called them out to embarrass KdB by comparing his stats with those who played more minutes

So who's to blame here? Was it Roman who refused to play KdB and pursued a vendetta to humiliate him despite him training extra than others.

Who's responsible for team selection that didn't choose KdB but favored some others over him. Kevin just returned from a sterling world cup where he was one if the best performers for Belgium

Point is KdB was never given a fair chance by the manager and he had to leave.

KDB did not return from any World Cup. He left in Jan 2014.

If you just walk into a club and they give you:

£32m Hazard
£32m Willian
£25m Oscar the Brazil "wonderkid"
£25m Mata, twice player of the year and fan favourite
£18m Schurrle
£7m KDB

As a manager who just walked which of these are you expected to play first, especially when MaZaCar are already the first team regulars, then you have Willian and Schurrle to integrate? 4 months is not enough to shoehorn such a player into the team at the expense of players that the club has bought for megamillions, when as a manager you are expected to keep the value of your players. Willian himself took about 5 months before he started collecting regular shirt.

Besides Mourinho already had to concoct his argument to the press as to why he wants to sideline Mata, which he marketed as "giving the shirt to Brazil's no 10". In the middle of all that, you cant be promoting KDB.

For example, a manager who walks into a team today containing a £60m Hazard, a £60m James Rodriguez and a £80m Gareth Bale bought for him to use will never promote Riyadh Mahrez over them instantly. He will lose his job for not getting the best out of his assets. It will take many months before he can shoehorn Mahrez into the team.

This poor squad planning and unfair competition is what made InterMilan to lose Andrea Pirlo and Clarence Seedorf in the early 2000s. It's not on the manager. The fool Moratti just goes to buy any big name on the market, not knowing what talent he already has at his club, causing them to leave because of overcompetition. Emenalo is the Moratti of Chelsea in this case.

Sometimes, i am surprised by what i read here.
I remember in 2013 when KDB was fighting for a place in chelsea's team. Then, any one who dares to say that kdb is better than hazard will attacked by all chelsea fans. Then hazard was chelsea's messi, the fulcrum of all our attacking play. The player bold enough to drive through defences. I remember a commentator once saying "he has the key to all defenses". I also remember that kdb was started in our first three matches that season and he was busy trying the goal from outside the box without results.
Fast forward to 2016, hazard has lost form and kdb is playing well, someone is now saying that he has always regarded kdb as better than hazard. Look at human beings.

For the records, kdb is simply afraid of competition. That is why he ran away from chelsea. A player who has nt proven himself to the manager, yet he does nt want to stay on the bench.
I remember william starting from the bench when he first came to chelsea, bt look at how the story has changed. He has simply proven himself.

Let me ask, where was kdb when has was busy winning back to back player of the year in ligue 1?

Dongorgon5:
For me, the following players should stay!!!
Courtois and Begovic
Terry(one year contract)
Zouma
Cahill( Squad player)
Matic(One season to see if he will regain his from)
Fabregas
Hazard(Our best player )
Willian
Pedro( A great proffessional, he was unlucky he sign for us at a bad time)
Costa( A fighter, could play his best football with us)
Azipilicueta
Baba Rahman( we should be patient with this guy)
The following player should leave before conte arrive
Mikel( Crappy Mikel)
Remy(Awful, not a chelsea calibre)
Pato(Emenalo greatest signing)
Falcao(Injury ruined him, china is waiting for you man)
Ivanovic
Oscar(Brazilain fraud)
This is my own list!!!
We need to sign 5 or 6 quality players

exactly what i ask for.

Greatihex:
Sometimes, i am surprised by what i read here.
I remember in 2013 when KDB was fighting for a place in chelsea's team. Then, any one who dares to say that kdb is better than hazard will attacked by all chelsea fans. Then hazard was chelsea's messi, the fulcrum of all our attacking play. The player bold enough to drive through defences. I remember a commentator once saying "he has the key to all defenses". I also remember that kdb was started in our first three matches that season and he was busy trying the goal from outside the box without results.
Fast forward to 2016, hazard has lost form and kdb is playing well, someone is now saying that he has always regarded kdb as better than hazard. Look at human beings.

For the records, kdb is simply afraid of competition. That is why he ran away from chelsea. A player who has nt proven himself to the manager, yet he does nt want to stay on the bench.
I remember william starting from the bench when he first came to chelsea, bt look at how the story has changed. He has simply proven himself.

Let me ask, where was kdb when has was busy winning back to back player of the year in ligue 1?

This is one Chelsea fan who begs to differ. You can dig up my records. I have never been crazy about Hazard, whilst I have had nothing but praise for De Bruyne.

Did you watch Bundesliga in 2013? How would you know De Bruynes quality then? Your experience of DeBruyne then is watching him 10 mins here and there. Don't label me with your experience of him . I process a whole load of information when watching football, for example I hated Oscar since 2012 years before ninjas clocked how useless he was. The same nonsense you notice now, I noticed as soon as he joined the club. Also I understood how detrimental Mata was to our stability and wanted him out right from 2011 when he was the darling of the club. Also I let niggas know just how limited Ramires was right from time, even when Ramires was the darling of Chelsea. Not to blow my horn, but don't label all fans with the same brush. I've never been crazy about Hazard, though he's OK for me whilst I've been a superfan of KDB since 2013.

KDB epitomises what I like in a midfielder - first time passes, vision, straight making assists and goal attempts without taking too many touches. I don't like attacking midfielders who caress the ball too much before passing. He fits my profile perfectly. Call it the luck of having Bundesliga on ESPN back then, but I was well aware of his talents 3 years ago.

Raumdeuter I hope you read the posts above. Make of those what you will.

Mourinho is squarely to blame for the loss of KDB though.

Jose favours workhorses - KDB, Mata,Schurrle, Salah and Cuadrado out, in favour of William, Oscar, Pedro...

I don't understand how Jose was under pressure to play high value purchases as insinuated by Ibime, when he actually got rid of most of them.

To be fair, KDB didn't exactly make a case for staying with his rubbish play...but Jose's hand wasn't forced.

I still haven't forgiven for Lukaku

Nihilist:
Mourinho is squarely to blame for the loss of KDB though.

Jose favours workhorses - KDB, Mata,Schurrle, Salah and Cuadrado out, in favour of William, Oscar, Pedro...

I don't understand how Jose was under pressure to play high value purchases as insinuated by Ibime, when he actually got rid of most of them.

To be fair, KDB didn't exactly make a case for staying with his rubbish play...but Jose's hand wasn't forced.

I still haven't forgiven for Lukaku

Schurrle, Salah and Cuadrado are actually workhorses.

That has nothing to do with it.

Dont assume because Jose got rid of Mata that he can't carry De Bruyne. Matas own case of laziness and physical deficiency is that of a 12 year old boy playing with grown men.

The same Jose that carried Ozil for 3 years in Spain will carry De Bruyne easily.

The funny thing is De Bruyne is actually hardworking. Don't let the debate in the press deceive you.

The situation at Chelsea then was extraordinary in that Chelsea had a nonexistent midfield and Jose had to get the wingers to cover their part of the job.

Only a foolish manager would play Hazard, Mata and DeBruhne ontop midfield of Lampard and Ramires (our starting DMs at the time). The disbalance in the midfield caused Jose to play Schurrle almost every time at the start.

So there are many political, financial and tactical reasons why De Bruyne would not start matches straightaway.

It is nothing for Jose to play DeBruyne when he plays Ozil and Ronaldo in the same midfield.

Greatihex:
exactly what i ask for.

I pray roman will back conte with the clearout!!!

Nihilist, this is for you.

Don't believe what lazy English journalists float in the Press. The hear the story of how De Bruyne left Chelsea and turn it into hyperbole saying he's lazy and hates running. I heard one fool on 5Live repeating the same mantra yesterday.

When we played Genk in 2011/2012 UCL, De Bruyne covered so much ground that day and you could see then he wasn't lazy. He is a 12km a game man which is as good as any of the hardest working central midfielders in the game today.

raumdeuter:
Debruyne said it openly is clear to the blind that he didn't get a fair chance from mourinho compared to what other attacking midfielder got. He now called them out to embarrass KdB by comparing his stats with those who played more minutes

So who's to blame here? Was it Roman who refused to play KdB and pursued a vendetta to humiliate him despite him training extra than others.

Who's responsible for team selection that didn't choose KdB but favored some others over him. Kevin just returned from a sterling world cup where he was one if the best performers for Belgium

Point is KdB was never given a fair chance by the manager and he had to leave.

Even if we ignore all the other factors like the whole team packing it up in anticipation of the new season and manager Hiddink has still done better statistically than mourinho who assembled the team had a full preseason vs a caretaker who was just brought in to do a break fix and manage the mess created by mourinho

When he was sacked you were screaming here after every matchday that mourinho was the problem and the players are playing to prove him wrong and they will show him they can do it without him.........
So now,kini ejo radarada!
The players have finally showed their level and you are still saying Mou is the problem.......


Since Mou was the problem,why haven't we seen any improvement?
Shift it as usual

Ibime:


Schurrle, Salah and Cuadrado are actually workhorses.

That has nothing to do with it.

Dont assume because Jose got rid of Mata that he can't carry De Bruyne. Matas own case of laziness and physical deficiency is that of a 12 year old boy playing with grown men.

The same Jose that carried Ozil for 3 years in Spain will carry De Bruyne easily.

The funny thing is De Bruyne is actually hardworking. Don't let the debate in the press deceive you.

The situation at Chelsea then was extraordinary in that Chelsea had a nonexistent midfield and Jose had to get the wingers to cover their part of the job.

Only a foolish manager would play Hazard, Mata and DeBruhne ontop midfield of Lampard and Ramires (our starting DMs at the time). The disbalance in the midfield caused Jose to play Schurrle almost every time at the start.

So there are many political, financial and tactical reasons why De Bruyne would not start matches straightaway.

It is nothing for Jose to play DeBruyne when he plays Ozil and Ronaldo in the same midfield.

Come on man, let's not pretend that Jose could do that much transfer-wise at Madrid. How won't have to carry Ronaldo? Could he sell him? Ozil is simply a one of a kind talent that he couldn't afford to sell.

At Chelsea, Jose had a bit more authority, and it showed. Any player percieved as 'skillful' was shipped out and that includes Cuadrado, Schurrle, Salah, Mata and KDB.

The team that won the league last season, weren't exactly Stoke City...but...you know what I mean.

Im not discounting your theory- But Jose would have played KDB if he thought he was good enough...he didn't, so he didn't and so we missed out. I just can't seem anyway Jose is not squarely to blame for that, politics or cost not withstanding

Afterall, Lukaku, Schurrle, Mata, felipe luis etc all cost a fairly large wodge each, and he still chased them all away...

Nihilist, another one for you. . . DeBruyne was the 3rd hardest running player at 2014 World Cup behind Michael Bradley and Marcelo Diaz.

Ibime:
Nihilist, this is for you.

Don't believe what lazy English journalists float in the Press. The hear the story of how De Bruyne left Chelsea and turn it into hyperbe saying he's lazy and hates running. I heard one fool on 5Live repeating the same mantra yesterday.

When we played Genk in 2011/2012 UCL, De Bruyne covered so much ground that day and you could see then he wasn't lazy. He is a 12km a game man which is as good as any of the hardest working central midfielders in the game today.

I never said KDB was lazy. I just said what ii remembered from him with us, was useless shots and misplaced passes.

Nihilist:

At Chelsea, Jose had a bit more authority, and it showed. Any player percieved as 'skillful' was shipped out and that includes Cuadrado, Schurrle, Salah, Mata and KDB.

You're just repeating lazy English journalists mantra.

Cuadrado who can barely trap a ball can never be described as skillful.

Schurrle was known as the hardest working winger in football before he contracted the immunovirus which still troubles him to date.

Salah simply suffered the same fate as DeBruyne - he is the 'small boy' brought in to make up the numbers and take the 6th choice AM position.

Nihilist:
Mourinho is squarely to blame for the loss of KDB though.

Jose favours workhorses - KDB, Mata,Schurrle, Salah and Cuadrado out, in favour of William, Oscar, Pedro...

We all saw it,didn't we?
Schurrle was average,Willian was clearly better
Salah was just doing rubbish
Cuadrado that was going down more than the naira
As you already said KDB was playing Shit
For those 6months Oscar was clearly better than Mata,I can recall 3 games which Mata started,played trash,Oscar came in and scored.......

Willian and Azpi weren't starters in the beginning,they fought to earn a place....
KDB didn't want to fight for anything.......

I regret losing him though

Ibime:


You're just repeating lazy English journalists mantra.

Cuadrado who can barely trap a ball can never be described as skillful.

Schurrle was known as the hardest working winger in football before he contracted the immunovirus which still troubles him to date.

Salah simply suffered the same fate as the DeBruyne - he is the 'small boy' brought in to make up the numbers and take the 6th choice AM position.

Its not a lazy Mantra- It's a fact.

All those players are the type that like to dribble. Remember how Schurrle lost his job?

Willian and Oscar have more in common with each other than with DeBruyne Schurrle or Mata.

You have a point with Cuadrado, though, but it's no coincidence that both Ronaldo and Hazard who are the skilful type clashed heavily with Jose

Nihilist:


Its not a lazy Mantra- It's a fact.

All those players are the type that like to dribble. Remember how Schurrle lost his job?

Willian and Oscar have more in common with each other than with DeBruyne Schurrle or Mata.

You have a point with Cuadrado, though, but it's no coincidence that both Ronaldo and Hazard who are the skilful type clashed heavily with Jose

In that case Jose should have no problem with De Bruyne because De Bruyne doesn't like to dribble.

DeBruynes game is first time everything - first time pass, first time cross. If he dribbles, its only to create space quickly for pass or cross.

bigkesh:

We all saw it,didn't we?
Schurrle was average,Willian was clearly better
Salah was just doing rubbish
Cuadrado that was going down more than the naira
As you already said KDB was playing Shit
For those 6months Oscar was clearly better than Mata,I can recall 3 games which Mata started,played trash,Oscar came in and scored.......

Willian and Azpi weren't starters in the beginning,they fought to earn a place....
KDB didn't want to fight for anything.......

I regret losing him though

I don't think Willian has ever been better than Schurrle, though I agree that Cuadrado was crap.

But what we're discussing, or rather what I'm discussing here is whether Jose was directly responsible for KDB's departure

I don't think it's a coincidence that we has only 2 artists in our team last season.

Ibime:


In that case Jose should have no problem with De Bruyne because De Bruyne doesn't like to dribble.

DeBruynes game is first time everything - first time pass, first time cross. If he dribbles, its only to create space quickly for pass or cross.

KDB dribbles roughly as much as Silva, Sterling and Navas

The only way your excuse can work is if KDB is seen as a Mourinho-type player that runs himself into the ground, and doesn't waste time on the ball.
But we've seen Dayo's post where Mourinho point blank told KDB that he wasn't good enough for his system...

Greatihex:
Sometimes, i am surprised by what i read here.
I remember in 2013 when KDB was fighting for a place in chelsea's team. Then, any one who dares to say that kdb is better than hazard will attacked by all chelsea fans. Then hazard was chelsea's messi, the fulcrum of all our attacking play. The player bold enough to drive through defences. I remember a commentator once saying "he has the key to all defenses". I also remember that kdb was started in our first three matches that season and he was busy trying the goal from outside the box without results.
Fast forward to 2016, hazard has lost form and kdb is playing well, someone is now saying that he has always regarded kdb as better than hazard. Look at human beings.

For the records, kdb is simply afraid of competition. That is why he ran away from chelsea. A player who has nt proven himself to the manager, yet he does nt want to stay on the bench.
I remember william starting from the bench when he first came to chelsea, bt look at how the story has changed. He has simply proven himself.

Let me ask, where was kdb when has was busy winning back to back player of the year in ligue 1?

Like Ibime said some of you were short sighted. I didnt wait till this season to call Hazard a fraud and its well documented here. I saw KdBruyne at Bremen I saw him as a guy with potential definitely better than Oscar.

Kevin debriyne won the young player of the year in the bundesliga in the 2012/13 season so claiming no one saw KdB is false maybe among football novices like yourself. But Ibime has been shouting KdB here for like 3years

Nihilist:


KDB dribbles roughly as much as Silva, Sterling and Navas

Certainly not. . . .KDB dribbles exactly the same amount of time as Dmitri Payet. . . they don't waste time caressing the ball. They just shift body and deliver pass or cross.

Funny enough, the Oscar and Willian you cited as Mourinho players dribble and caress the ball way more. Oscar and Willian will be tapping the ball from foot-to-foot 3 times, when one touch will suffice, by which time the opportunity to play the first-time pass and catch the opposition defence has gone. They will be on counterattack, stop the counterattack and start dribbling men they have already run past.

De Bruyne doesn't waste time with that. He transitions the ball from midfield to attack quicker than any other AM in football today. Yesterday was prime example.