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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Leeeekeeee: 10:41pm On Apr 24, 2016
Segadem:
[size=14pt]my brother, I think say na only me see am, 273k buy one plot of land for my village grin grin grin[/size]

The thing tire me oooo....

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by bigtt76(f): 10:42pm On Apr 24, 2016
Yup!


danose99:
are you absolutely ruling out the use of local power from the national grid?
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by johnnday222(m): 10:42pm On Apr 24, 2016
doskie:
for your inverters and solar power installation; www.nitramfrost.com thats the best in lagos Nigeria.
for 1 complete year now with a 10kva system. I do not know what 5 mins of power outage feels like. or call 07030222860.



bro....
how much does this your 10kva cost.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by doskie(m): 10:42pm On Apr 24, 2016
ideology:
nothing does you, go ahead ahead, but Be sincere you can easily sale 1. 5kva here than 10kva
wise words. but na just to let them know say anyone wen dem need we fit provide.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by parlondy007: 10:45pm On Apr 24, 2016
adeaks:


Can you give an idea of the cost of setting up the 2.5kva inverter?

cool
I will suggest you first take a comprehensive load analysis with your critical load point in view, after which the inverter sizing is determined. Secondly, you also know how long you intend to use the system and at what time per day. Thirdly, you find out how often you get the national grid power supply per day to determine your battery how your battery is charged. This is where the option of including a solar PV comes in. Cos if you have 5-6 hours of national grid supply per day you may not need a solar PV, that will be a waste of resources. This also depends on your power consumption, I mean the loads running at the same time, power management while using this system is one thing that must be considered. Solar powered inverter system is designed by the individuals requirements. You only regret when a careful study is not done before starting the project...
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Nobody: 10:46pm On Apr 24, 2016
bigtt76:
Solar panels is the best option jaaaare. Please can you link me with your guy? Want to know how to go about mine. I want the same too. Thanks


Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Nobody: 10:47pm On Apr 24, 2016
DMerciful:
Make sense. But doesn't ur fridge reduce the backup time.The beauty of solar is that its 25yrs lifespan at least.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by EnigmaticEnigma(m): 10:47pm On Apr 24, 2016
bigtt76:
Nice one. Please can you share with us the circuit diagram showing how you connected yours? I want to know if the solar panels supply your house during the day and cut over to batteries during the night.

Usual connection is to draw power from the battery all day which to me kills the batteries prematurely. A y thought here would be appreciated.



It's kindoff a simple process and wiring diagrams are available all over the net.

It's not like only solar works at a time and only the batteries work at another time, well except for night time when solar power is 0.

Now, lets say it's 2pm in the afternoon and your solar panels are producing 400watts and you want to power something that only uses 100watts, what happens is that 100watts of that power is forced to your inverter to run your load, while the remaining 300watts charges your battery.

Now, lets say you are still producting 400watts of solar by 2:30pm and you want to run something a bit bigger, like an electric cooking pot of 800watts. Your solar power would provide half of your load power (800watts), while the remaining (only 400watts will come from the battery). As you can see, this is much healthier for your batteries, pulling only 400watts than it would be to pull the whole 800watts alone from the battery without the help of the solar panel.

Of course at night, your solar input would be 0 and your batteries would have to pick up the slack for all loads in your house.

As per connection, there really is nothing special. You just go from solar, to charge controller, then to the batteries. However, safety features like fuses and breakers need to be taken into consideration, as well as wire sizes, distance and so on.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by bigtt76(f): 10:47pm On Apr 24, 2016
Where can I get the Sukam inverter from? 1.5kva? A d how much?


DMerciful:
It can get you a mopower or sukam 900va inverter at about 26k and battery about 55k. See!
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Nobody: 10:47pm On Apr 24, 2016
the lies these inverter hustlers tell . .

1) you require power to charge the inverter - at least 16 hours for 8 hours supply.

the inverter is a supplement to power supply. it is NOT a replacement

2) the batteries will last at most 2 years. and that is not guaranteed since there seems to be a repackaged battery racket, or maybe its just the usual low quality for the nigerian market

3) 90% of the inverters sold are piece-of-sheet that fail in under 6 months. after this the looong story with the seller starts.

my advice is to go for a mercury 2.5kva inverter, (modified sine wave) direct from coscharis - it is 22-25K . it is RUGGED. nepa fluctuation, overload, all of that, it will work with those. DO NOT BUY THE PURE SINE WAVE inverter. [a friend bought one and it failed in a week]
all these pure sine wave are chock full of electronics that cannot be properly maintained locally.

batteries [coscharis] are 50k

all these sukam , mopower , luminous etc are overpriced

due to bad advice, i bought luminous batteries December last year at 56k . imagine how pissed i was when i went to coscharis and found their batteries were 48k [at the time] .

a 2.5kva inverter does not need more than 2 12v batteries [preferably 200ah]

you wont even need a rack. just put the batteries on the foam packaging, put the inverter on the batteries and you're good to go. you can opt for rewiring, but you need a COMPETENT ELECTRICIAN if you want to go that route.

a lot of the inverter sellers will cut corners and install the cheapest wiring you can find. i know because i recommended one to a friend some years back. i was so ashamed when i went visiting and saw the rubbish job the guy had done. cables looking as if they would catch fire any minute.

anyway, like i said, go to coscharis VI. they also have a warehouse in computer village.

anyone who tells you you need less than 8 hours to fully charge standard inverter batteries is lying.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by egobetatoday: 10:48pm On Apr 24, 2016
amokemi:
I invested in inverter last November and I wished I had done it earlier. Except for this past week when Ikeja electricity company did not supply power at all that I had to use my generator, the inverter has been my saving grace. I could sleep well during this terribly hot period despite the heat cos of my inverter.

@op, I have a similar inverter as yours, 1.5kva Su-Kam but with two batteries, I noticed what looks like a meter on the picture you posted, is that meter used in determining the charge level? If yes, how did you achieve that please?

We've had ours for more than 5yrs now. we had to change the batteries after the first 2.5 yrs or so. Have saved so much on fuel for Gen and gen servicing...i mean in thousànds!

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Gesd(m): 10:48pm On Apr 24, 2016
Sure I also use inverter, better n reliable mine is 500w
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by adanny01(m): 10:49pm On Apr 24, 2016
Below is my small 1.2kv mercury inverter with one 200Ah battery. I get well over 12hrs of back up I cant measure how much it saved me but i can tell you the my wife kissed me and said thank you for this. My neighbours envy me, one is planning for his.

The sweetest fact is that we can sleep through the heat with fan and no noise from generators. Because of the scarcity, neighbours have been spending a lot on fuel to run generators. The last fuel i bought was a 5litre at N200/litre. I didnt use up to 1hr when light was restored and thats over 3weeks ago, the fuel remains unused.

To make the sorry interesting, NEPA started a stupid regime when we have light throughout the day but blackout at night when its required for good night sleep. Guess what, am not bothered as we sleep with fans till when they restore the light.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by DMerciful(m): 10:49pm On Apr 24, 2016
You have a lot of ideas....nice. Some solar charge controllers have auxiliary outputs that can power a relay which in turn can be made to power specific load like freezer. Now as night comes, the charge controller can no longer power the relay which in turn will shutdown d freezer from d inverter system however once mains is restored, it switches d freezer to mains. I can design such a system..contact me on chyke200@gmail.com
bigtt76:
Ok but it could still mean the company connected the Solar panels to your battery charger direct and supplied the house from the battery through the inverter.

Ideally it would be best if your house I s supplied during the day from the solar panels and the battery charged through this route while at night the battery supplies the house. So it means your battery discharges less than it would if connected otherwise.

Some appliances such as fridge or freezer can work during the day on solar and turned off at night to power other appliances which are night use so power can be optimized correctly.

Looking forward to the diagram. I would be very grateful.


Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by bigtt76(f): 10:50pm On Apr 24, 2016
Nice one but how do you split the load amongst both power source? Getting interesting


EnigmaticEnigma:


It's kindoff a simple process and wiring diagrams are available all over the net.

It's not like only solar works at a time and only the batteries work at another time, well except for night time when solar power is 0.

Now, lets say it's 2pm in the afternoon and your solar panels are producing 400watts and you want to power something that only uses 100watts, what happens is that 100watts of that power is forced to your inverter to run your load, while the remaining 300watts charges your battery.

Now, lets say you are still producting 400watts of solar by 2:30pm and you want to run something a bit bigger, like an electric cooking pot of 800watts. Your solar power would provide half of your load power (800watts), while the remaining (only 400watts will come from the battery). As you can see, this is much healthier for your batteries, pulling only 400watts than it would be to pull the whole 800watts alone from the battery without the help of the solar panel.

Of course at night, your solar input would be 0 and your batteries would have to pick up the slack for all loads in your house.

As per connection, there really is nothing special. You just go from solar, to charge controller, then to the batteries. However, safety features like fuses and breakers need to be taken into consideration, as well as wire sizes, distance and so on.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by bigtt76(f): 10:51pm On Apr 24, 2016
Ok great will do.


DMerciful:
You have a lot of ideas....nice. Some solar charge controllers have auxiliary outputs that can power a relay which in turn can be made to power specific load like freezer. Now as night comes, the charge controller can no longer power the relay which in turn will shutdown d freezer from d inverter system however once mains is restored, it switches d freezer to mains. I can design such a system..contact me on chyke200@gmail.com
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Nobody: 10:52pm On Apr 24, 2016
waziri4biz:

do u think before u post or u just post to contribute something to the thread because ur point is just not important. U need uninterrupted power supply are getting that u are saying no to inverter

don't quote me to say sh"ts please. I get angry easily... That's an insult to me ("do you think"...)
I spoke my mind, and if you got a sound reasoning you'll understand what I mean by( say no to inverter)..
please don't ever insult me again .please.


#peace
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by doskie(m): 10:56pm On Apr 24, 2016
johnnday222:




bro....
how much does this your 10kva cost.
1.8m but you can do lesser ones.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by EnigmaticEnigma(m): 10:57pm On Apr 24, 2016
adeaks:
But 273k is something else o.

Can 100k get someone a reasonable inverter for just a mini flat?

of course you can, but what do you want to use it for

That's always the major question.

Do you want to just be able to power low power consuming devices like phones, laptops, fans and so on

Are you willing to load shed That is, for instance you give yourself a 100Watt instantaneous power limit. So if your fan consumes, 40watts, your laptop consumes 50watts, your lights consume 60watts, then with your load shedding limit of 100W, you may say "let me run just the laptop and the fan (90watts), of just the lights and the fan(100watts)" and so on.

You can decide to run heavier loads on your budget, but that would kill the battery fast as batteries have "sweet spots" on their discharge curve that you want to always be in. Deviation from this curve and Peukert's law for battery capacity depreciation starts to come into effect; meaning in general, less battery life and sometimes battery damage.

So in short, yes, you can get an inverter battery system for your budget, but you must be fully aware of what your limitations are in order for that to be seen as a good investment in retrospect when looking back after a while.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Nobody: 10:58pm On Apr 24, 2016
parlondy007:


cool
I will suggest you first take a comprehensive load analysis with your critical load point in view, after which the inverter sizing is determined. Secondly, you also know how long you intend to use the system and at what time per day. Thirdly, you find out how often you get the national grid power supply per day to determine your battery how your battery is charged. This is where the option of including a solar PV comes in. Cos if you have 5-6 hours of national grid supply per day you may not need a solar PV, that will be a waste of resources. This also depends on your power consumption, I mean the loads running at the same time, power management while using this system is one thing that must be considered. Solar powered inverter system is designed by the individuals requirements. You only regret when a careful study is not done before starting the project...

Hmmmm. This is a very useful post. You just pointed out something I didn't avert my mind to. The length or peeiod of usage. For someone living in a mini flat who goes out to work very early on weekdays and comes back home very late at night, a 2.5kva inverter seems like overkill especially since it would only be used majorly during the weekends.
Solar is definitely out of it, both cost wise and practicability too. Maybe a 1.5Kva would do the magic. But again, how does a layman do a comprehensive load analysis to determine the right size to go for?

I've learnt from your post.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by BuddhaPalm(m): 11:02pm On Apr 24, 2016
DMerciful:
For a well designed system, the batteries stay averagely for 4 years. Some special batteries last over 10years. Sinecerely you cannot compare inverter cost and the benefits

Oh, I see. I was wrong then.

Please tell me more about the special batteries.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by Superiorwords: 11:04pm On Apr 24, 2016
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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by free37: 11:04pm On Apr 24, 2016
Nice read.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by schrondinger: 11:05pm On Apr 24, 2016
princefaculty:
Its a good back up power system I agree with you OP. I've had mine, a1.5kva with two batteries for almost three years now, it has been very helpful.

In my own case I spend no penny on gen as I detest its noise so I rely on PHCN and my inverter which often take me minimum of three days if fully charged with my electric fan, four lighting points, and my electronics.

Hoping to get solar panels installed soon
. How much did it cost u and how can I get it
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by freshjayy: 11:07pm On Apr 24, 2016
For your complete inverter solution contact jayypowersolution@yahoo.com. Try us and you would surely recommend us for your loved ones too.
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by pangea2: 11:12pm On Apr 24, 2016
I'm interested o
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by GreatManBee: 11:12pm On Apr 24, 2016
Can this power a refrigerator?
If yes, for how long?
How about washing machine?
DMerciful:
In a month I normally use fuel worth N8000 to power my generator anytime there's power outage but since I bought my inverter more than a year ago, I spend averagely N500 per month. Yes..N500 averagely as I could go for 3months sometimes without putting on my gen. This backup system has been very helpful especially now that there is poor mains supply and fuel scarcity with exorbitant price. Those of you complaining of excessing estimated bill, you can get value for the bills you pay if you have a backup system since you'll massively utilize the mains when it is available provided you can have light at least once in two days.
Below is my 1.5kva sine wave inverter and 4batteries system.
Show us pics of your backup system and tell us how much you save from this arrangement per month.


Mods pls move to front page so Nigerians can be aware of alternative cost saving power
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by yoaking: 11:12pm On Apr 24, 2016
Can I buy the inverter with one battery my load is not much,as I am hardly at home. Wts d total cost. Can @ 110k do that
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by GreatManBee: 11:12pm On Apr 24, 2016
DMerciful:
I bought the batteries zenith 200AH x 4 @ 52k each. The inverter is 40k then, maybe 50k now cos of dollar grin. The rack was about 15k. It is good to install with a stabilizer for protection.I use 5KVA stabilizer although I have it before....all in all about N273k grin
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by favouryemmy: 11:18pm On Apr 24, 2016
I have been using inverter for close to 5 years. Though I added solar panels this year due to worse power situation.

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Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by 3kay945(m): 11:19pm On Apr 24, 2016
Have been using inverter for five years now.... Thinking to add solar panels to complement it.

Poor naija dey suffer oo undecided
Re: How my inverter is saving me in this poor power supply and no-fuel situation by 3kay945(m): 11:22pm On Apr 24, 2016
GreatManBee:
Can this power a refrigerator?
If yes, for how long?
How about washing machine?

It should be able to power those 'inverter fridge' cos they have lower watt. But washing machine is a NO for me.

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