Faith is a very popular word used everyday in our society, there are many context by which this word is injected but the most popular being the Religious context …

The English Dictionary defines Faith as A feeling or conviction that something is true without having any empirical evidence for it

Which literally means you only need conviction to the subject not evidence of it's actuality.

In the religious sense : Professed faith is the basis of every religion, belief system or belief class.

Is this profession of Faith a Virtue or Lunacy?

There is a difference between "Knowing" (certainty) and "belief" (faith"

When something is proven directly in the empirical sense it leaves the realm of opinion, it becomes a FACT and you have no need to believe it rather you are certain of it.

But when something is unproven in the empirical sense there is need for "Faith" to be exercised to believe such proposal.

In a way Faith deals with emotion which drives the conviction to be stuck to whether it is true or not.

Is Faith a trustable means of deduction?

This is a "NO"

Because faith is directly an admittance of uncertainty, an admittance of empirical blindness.

Imagine if scientific study worked with Faith: I cannot determine what causes these hurricanes but i believe it is the sea getting angry, i believe it by faith and i believe it's true"

Imagine what a world of unparalleled ignorance ours would be if we relied on Faith for our study and deductions of things that are.

We would only be swimming in total ignorance, a blind conformity to speculations and emotional convictions.

When there is evidence of a given idea nobody needs faith to believe, you and i do not believe there is a star shinning 8light minutes beside us, No we do not believe that we need not employ faith to believe it rather We know of it

So faith as a concept only is employed when someone is not sure but none the less maintains the subject of believe to be true.

which in essence is both dishonest and blind and cannot be a trusted means of deduction since it blinds certainty and directly or indirectly upholds dishonesty.

Virtue or Lunacy

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.

I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show of insanity when when propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true

If we relied on faith then everything actually can be.

-You can believe in God(s) by faith
-You can believe in Unicorns by faith
-You can believe in a diamond dog pig by faith
-Or a talking donkey
-flying horse or anything at all your mind can conceive but here is the plain truth.

Having a faith that something is does not make it true, your faith no matter how strong cannot, does not and will never make something true, not even probably true, it only shows you hold on to the conviction whether it is true or not

Such positions is not a virtue but rather a mark of dishonesty.

And such concepts as having a stoic conviction in the absence of evidence should not be celebrated in a 21st century marked in history by outstanding rate of scientific breakthroughs and information.

It is an enemy to the intellectual evolution of our species therefore can be regarded a dangerous factor.

How can one study to empirically ascertain the cause of thunder when he already believes by Faith that sango causes it?

He absolutely cannot since he already thinks he has an answer, even though uncertain his profession of faith in his answer makes him feel that there is certainty in that uncertainty therefore a probe to the actual eventuality is irrelevant and unneeded.

So Faith employed in our deductions will mar our ability to ascertain what is true whilst keeping us in a sheepish agreement to what we feel or want to be true

Faith and God(s)

The idea of God(s) and Faith has always being like a man and wife, every belief system in this world professes a conviction in a certain God or Gods by an act of Faith.

As uncertain as it is Faith becomes a virtue, i find that absolutely absurd.

We do not need faith to agree to what we are sure of or empirically have deducted but somehow something as dire as God(s) is very vulnerable and vague that it can only be believe as an act of Faith.

We need to conform to a blindness and dishonesty of conviction to possess such a belief.

I absolutely need something more than Faith to believe something as critical as God(s) (the conventional definition) exists.
Faith is the opposite of certainty and to hold on to such a position will be a mark of dishonesty and naivete on my path.

Having a rational and imaginative outreach is totally fine, healthy and relevant to our intellectual deductions but we must while at it also remember to bear in mind that while rationality can take us to boundless possibilities without empiricism it is blind and uncertain therefore cannot be trusted.

The Black Cat analogy

Here is a small analogy of how deductions by Faith works, i will use the black cat analogy to explain the Philosophical, Theological (faith) and scientific (study) methods of deductions.

- Philosophy is like being in a Dark room searching for a black cat, contemplating where it might be.

- Science is like being in a dark room searching for a black cat with a torch light (empirical method)

-While theology is like being in a dark room searching for a black cat and shouting "I have found it!" but yet cannot provide it.

Even though (1) philosophy is profound, boundless and eloquent it is yet limited by the absence and herculean need of empiricism.

Even though (2) is painstakingly utilizing the torch of empiricism in order to derive certainty, it is limited by boundaries and slow pace which is as a result of need for confirmation to fuel empirical deductions.

(3) theology though lacking empiricism of science and the boundless nature of philosophy maintains an absolute answer none the less and sticks to it by a profession of faith, that is only a show of dishonesty which in this case can be equated to lunacy.

The employment of Faith

-Faith in moderation is HOPE, it maintains uncertainty but never claims truth is achieved but rather agrees to wish the subject is true.

This position of HOPE is good as long as that which is hoped for is not regarded as absolute truth.

-But hard core faith is maintain something believed by faith must be true even though agreeing from the profession of faith to be on a boat of uncertainty.

That is more like asking you to feel good in your own ignorance.

Faith is corrosive to the human mind, Do you genuinely think it is right to believe something by Faith which removes reason, logic and empiricism.

then it is evident enough such a thought is open and vulnerable to any whim, coercions, dogmas and many very dangerous ideas abound.

If you are honestly convinced that it is acceptable and virtues to develop a belief or maintain a stance based on faith, it was written in an ancient book, a teacher told you you must believ it.

Then you will have no freedom of thought but rather will be trapped by your own FAITH in inconsistencies and untruths because such convictions also maintains one be unable to discard such beliefs held without evidence when evidence against them comes along.

If there really is need to have God(s) then it shouldn't be based on Faith, something that dire should rely on something better. It should rely on certainty and not uncertainty.

-Agreeing faith as a basis for a belief in God(s) reveals an excuse that you believing something because you absolutely have no other tangible feasible reasons to.

To me, i'd rather put my confidence in rational deductions illuminated by empiricism (empirico-rationalism) as our study (science we call it utilizes), i'd rather rely on logic and reason and never on something as vaguely employed as Faith.

Faith is a dishonest value, it entails and insertion of stoic conviction conceived against reason and needs to be defended against reason, if you rely on faith to believe anything then you absolutely have no reason to believe it in the first place.

God(s) and belief systems rely on FAITH which is an agreement of uncertainty, vague and assumptive, That'd would be stark dishonesty to maintain such assumptive idea is true.

Our progress rather should be measured by the depth of our questions and the sincerity of our answers and our ability to agree to what is true (empirically) than believe what we want, feel should be true or what feels good to our ego.

The ideas of FAITH should be annulled in order to propel the intellectual advancement of our species.

Lets throw away the idea of convictions by Faith rather lets try to find things out and in so doing derive certainty.

Faith in this regard becomes a foe and not a virtue.

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The Christian life is more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then share that conclusion with the world around us. Let’s examine the Biblical model of evidential faith:
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO USE THEIR
MIND>>>>"You shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, and with all your soul, and
with all your mind. This is the great and
foremost commandment." ( Matthew 22:37-38)

When we examine our world and the
evidence for the existence of God, we are
worshipping God with our mind.it's either we
love God with our mind or reject him, it's a
choice.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO UNDERSTAND
EVIDENCE>>>>Acts 17:31
31 because He has fixed a day in which
He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished PROOF to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
The Greek word used for "proof" in Acts
17:31 is "pistis". The word is derived
from "peitho" which is a Greek verb that
means "to convince by argument" that
something is either true or false.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good…
God wants us to know what we believe
and why we believe it. We’re not called to
numbly trust everything that might be taught in
our world today.Skepticism is important to the
Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the
evidence that confirms our beliefs. God honors this kind of skepticism because He knows that it leads to a deeper faith in Him. There is a place for skepticism in the life of the Christian because it causes us to "examine the Scriptures daily".
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CONVINCED OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE>>>>2 Timothy 3:14
14 You, however, continue in the things you
have learned and become CONVINCED of,
knowing from whom you have learned them.

Conviction is the result of certainty, and certainty is the result of evidential confidence. We are called to be convinced by mastering the evidence that supports what we believe. The Christians life is not one of "wishful
thinking" or "hope in the unreasonable". It is a
life of certainty, grounded in the evidence.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CASE
MAKER>>>>1 Peter 3:15
15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
Once we have examined the evidence and have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true, we are called to be ready to make a strong defense for what we believe.
IN CONCLUSION;
Christians can be "case makers" precisely
because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not.
Salvation comes through Christ alone (as Jesus
Himself maintained), or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or
wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.
https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence

malvisguy212:
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IN CONCLUSION;
Christians can be "case makers" precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.
https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence

It baffles me how you guys manage to jam two opposite words into one and still do so with a straight face.

I am wowed at how someone can jam "Faith" and "evidence" into one with a straight face, that is totally ridiculous like saying a water is both extremely hot and icy-cold at the same time.

either this is a severe case of ignorance on what is "Faith and evidence" are or plain ol cognitive dissonance and laziness or as usual intellectual dishonesty.

Faith and evidence are incompatible.

where there is Evidence there is no faith and none needed cus there is certainty..

Faith is only needed when there is no evidence.

the two never mixes and cannot mix cus they are blatantly opposites. .

malvisguy212:
The Christian life is more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then share that conclusion with the world around us. Let’s examine the Biblical model of evidential faith:
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO USE THEIR
MIND>>>>"You shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, and with all your soul, and
with all your mind. This is the great and
foremost commandment." ( Matthew 22:37-38)

When we examine our world and the
evidence for the existence of God, we are
worshipping God with our mind.it's either we
love God with our mind or reject him, it's a
choice.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO UNDERSTAND
EVIDENCE>>>>Acts 17:31
31 because He has fixed a day in which
He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished PROOF to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
The Greek word used for "proof" in Acts
17:31 is "pistis". The word is derived
from "peitho" which is a Greek verb that
means "to convince by argument" that
something is either true or false.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good…
God wants us to know what we believe
and why we believe it. We’re not called to
numbly trust everything that might be taught in
our world today.Skepticism is important to the
Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the
evidence that confirms our beliefs. God honors this kind of skepticism because He knows that it leads to a deeper faith in Him. There is a place for skepticism in the life of the Christian because it causes us to "examine the Scriptures daily".
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CONVINCED OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE>>>>2 Timothy 3:14
14 You, however, continue in the things you
have learned and become CONVINCED of,
knowing from whom you have learned them.

Conviction is the result of certainty, and certainty is the result of evidential confidence. We are called to be convinced by mastering the evidence that supports what we believe. The Christians life is not one of "wishful
thinking" or "hope in the unreasonable". It is a
life of certainty, grounded in the evidence.
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO BE CASE
MAKER>>>>1 Peter 3:15
15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
Once we have examined the evidence and have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true, we are called to be ready to make a strong defense for what we believe.
IN CONCLUSION;
Christians can be "case makers" precisely
because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not.
Salvation comes through Christ alone (as Jesus
Himself maintained), or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or
wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.
https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence

I can't make any sense of the entire post.

Is it just me?

I JUST GOT KICKED OUT FROM ANOTHER GROUP AGAIN JUST CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO AIR MY OWN VIEW YET THEY SAY WE ATHEIST ARE THAT CAUSE WE WANNA ENJOY LIFE.....

WELL FAITH THEY MUST BE VERY HAPPY SHOUTING THEY HAVE FAITH NA

Pyrrho:
I can't make any sense of the entire post.

Is it just me?

yeah.....after the long sermon he went on to say christain FAITH was EVIDENTIAL faith .....soo....

taurus25:

yeah.....after the long sermon he went on to say christain FAITH was EVIDENTIAL faith .....soo....

Asin eeeehn e tire me which one is evidential faith again... i wonder if these guy understands English at all.

Just jam two words that are blatantly incompatible and opposite into one without twitching.

How can something be evidential Faith..?

Since there is evidence then there is absolutely no need for faith since there is faith that means there is no evidence.

I can bet my phone the guy cannot explain the meaning of "evidential faith" because there is nothing like that just some bro having a cognitive trouble.

Pyrrho:
I can't make any sense of the entire post.

Is it just me?

Na him way. He copies and pastes without reading

hahn:


Na him way. He copies and pastes without reading

and he didn't even check whether what he copied make sense before he posted it... the post no get head talk less of tail

johnydon22:


It baffles me how you guys manage to jam two opposite words into one and still do so with a straight face.

I am wowed at how someone can jam "Faith" and "evidence" into one with a straight face, that is totally ridiculous like saying a water is both extremely hot and icy-cold at the same time.

either this is a severe case of ignorance on what is "Faith and evidence" are or plain ol cognitive dissonance and laziness or as usual intellectual dishonesty.

Faith and evidence are incompatible.

where there is Evidence there is no faith and none needed cus there is certainty..

Faith is only needed when there is no evidence.

the two never mixes and cannot mix cus they are blatantly opposites. .

CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not
despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE
everything carefully; hold fast to that which
is good… God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to numbly trust everything that might be
taught in our world today.Skepticism is important to the Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the evidence that confirms our beliefs

malvisguy212:


CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO UNDERSTAND
EVIDENCE>>>>Acts 17:31
31 because He has fixed a day in which
He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished PROOF to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

Can you show me this proof? Just saying it's in a book is useless because books can be fiction or non-fiction, and the Bible has known errors and inconsistencies.

malvisguy212:
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not
despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE
everything carefully; hold fast to that which
is good… God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to numbly trust everything that might be
taught in our world today.Skepticism is important to the Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the evidence that confirms our beliefs

But yet they are no objective evidences for your beliefs that is why you all still need faith.

You lot do not look for evidences to confirm your beliefs because the so called "evidences" are also upside down claims held unto by "faith". You only look for things to twist and lay even more claims of faith and say they are evidences.

You lot do not examine your beliefs cus if you did you wouldn't even hold them, scepticism is seen as a threat in Christianity if you lot had your ways you'd do anything to silence the mouths of sceptics and freethinkers of which i am one of..

I cannot begin to lay out the many angry mails i have received and still receive from angry christians who see my scepticism as a threat to their beliefs, the frustrated insults we get here on NL.

Scepticism is not encouraged in Christianity please stop the lies, that is why Children are discouraged from questioning their beliefs, bible or alleged words of God or they risk hell.

I asked a bus preacher a question yesterday and got "God works in mysterious ways" how does that encourage scepticism?

In fact you lot can do anything to do away with scepticism which is a flogging rod that has kept the Christian faith in moderation and is the gallow on which Faith is being murdered in this millennium of fast dwindling faith(s).

Faith No please; spare me the horror and provide evidence.





One funny thing though is that Faith in a sense is responsible for placebo effects in the human body.



But when one tells you to take something on Faith in the light of glaring blatant evidence that it is in the contrary; well, then,


Dump faith in the loo

SirWere:
Faith No please; spare me the horror and provide evidence.





One funny thing though is that Faith in a sense is responsible for placebo effects in the human body.



But when one tells you to take something on Faith in the light of glaring blatant evidence that it is in the contrary; well, then,


Dump faith in the loo

Correct!

johnydon22:


But yet they are no objective evidences for your beliefs that is why you all still need faith.

You lot do not look for evidences to confirm your beliefs because the so called "evidences" are also upside down claims held unto by "faith". You only look for things to twist and lay even more claims of faith and say they are evidences.

You lot do not examine your beliefs cus if you did you wouldn't even hold them, scepticism is seen as a threat in Christianity if you lot had your ways you'd do anything to silence the mouths of sceptics and freethinkers of which i am one of..

I cannot begin to lay out the many angry mails i have received and still receive from angry christians who see my scepticism as a threat to their beliefs, the frustrated insults we get here on NL.

Scepticism is not encouraged in Christianity please stop the lies, that is why Children are discouraged from questioning their beliefs, bible or alleged words of God or they risk hell.

I asked a bus preacher a question yesterday and got "God works in mysterious ways" how does that encourage scepticism?

In fact you lot can do anything to do away with scepticism which is a flogging rod that has kept the Christian faith in moderation and is the gallow on which Faith is being murdered in this millennium of fast dwindling faith(s).

liar,skepticism a threat to christian faith ? Then why does the bible encourage christians to ASK questions ? John the baptist doubt at some point, did jesus condemn him ? Jeremiah doubt at some point, did God condemn him ? See, christians don't fight those who question their faith, ask an unbias atheist, they will tell you its true. Its is islam that does that.

If skepticism is not encouraging to christians faith, why does the bible encourage it ? Narrow is the way that lead to eternal life, FEW will go in their says the BIBLE, what does it imply ? God don't want large congregation, God want men with GENUINE FAITH, you speak like this because your faith is POOR, why does the bible say Faith ALONE cannot save ? Because God don't want us to ignorantly believe everything we hear without proof. The bible even encourage us to test every spirit. So All what you type in the op does NOT make sense.

malvisguy212:
liar,skepticism a threat to christian faith ? Then why does the bible encourage christians to ASK questions ? John the baptist doubt at some point, did jesus condemn him ? Jeremiah doubt at some point, did God condemn him ? See, christians don't fight those who question their faith, ask an unbias atheist, they will tell you its true. Its is islam that does that.

If skepticism is not encouraging to christians faith, why does the bible encourage it ? Narrow is the way that lead to eternal life, FEW will go in their says the BIBLE, what does it imply ? God don't want large congregation, God want men with GENUINE FAITH, you speak like this because your faith is POOR, why does the bible say Faith ALONE cannot save ? Because God don't want us to ignorantly believe everything we hear without proof. The bible even encourage us to test every spirit. So All what you type in the op does NOT make sense.

Stop being a childish.

What has your faith accomplished?

malvisguy212:
liar,skepticism a threat to christian faith ? Then why does the bible encourage christians to ASK questions ? John the baptist doubt at some point, did jesus condemn him ? Jeremiah doubt at some point, did God condemn him ? See, christians don't fight those who question their faith, ask an unbias atheist, they will tell you its true. Its is islam that does that.

If skepticism is not encouraging to christians faith, why does the bible encourage it ? Narrow is the way that lead to eternal life, FEW will go in their says the BIBLE, what does it imply ? God don't want large congregation, God want men with GENUINE FAITH, you speak like this because your faith is POOR, why does the bible say Faith ALONE cannot save ? Because God don't want us to ignorantly believe everything we hear without proof. The bible even encourage us to test every spirit. So All what you type in the op does NOT make sense.

It is remarkably ironic the same person who believes the bible by "Faith" is using the bible as a hallmark to determine biblical sceptic positions.

If you lot ever employed scepticism independently outside your faith none of you would still hold such simpleton-like ridiculous beliefs.

I am sure you have learnt a vital lesson here: there is nothing as Evidential faith. Such a thing doesn't exist.

Pyrrho:
Stop being a childish.

What has your faith accomplished?

sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

malvisguy212:
sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

Yea, Yea...

I can name mine. God has been bad to me. I am dead a long time ago, by his hate I am dead.

Msteeewwwww

malvisguy212:
sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

LOL this is Faith speaking not evidence and faith is willful lunacy there are some that also think "A stone" they worship keeps them alive.

Lets have a demonstration 'One bullet in the head' lets see what's keeping you alive..

johnydon22:


It is remarkably ironic the same person who believes the bible by "Faith" is using the bible as a hallmark to determine biblical sceptic positions.

If you lot ever employed scepticism independently outside your faith none of you would still hold such simpleton-like ridiculous beliefs.

I am sure you have learnt a vital lesson here: there is nothing as Evidential faith. Such a thing doesn't exist.

secret cult discourage its member from asking question, many religious book does so. But the bible challenge every christian to search for the truth. In john 5:39 the bible say search the scripture, and in the book of isaiah God is calling mankind to come let us reason together.

Pyrrho:
Yea, Yea...
I can name mine. God has been bad to me. I am dead a long time ago, by his hate I am dead.
Msteeewwwww

REMAIN DEAD. Bye

johnydon22:


LOL this is Faith speaking not evidence and faith is willful lunacy there are some that also think "A stone" they worship keeps them alive.

Lets have a demonstration 'One bullet in the head' lets see what's keeping you alive..

Johnydon,

All the testimonies christians present these days all have the same self-deceiving features?

"I'm alive. God have been protecting me and my family. Everything is rosy and smooth... I haven't fell sick in 2 months... He has been providing for my family..."

Like all others on earth are suffering and already dead.

malvisguy212:
secret cult discourage its member from asking question, many religious book does so. But the bible challenge every christian to search for the truth.

what do you think a religion is? A religion is a cult that has gone public

In john 5:39 the bible say search the scripture, and in the book of isaiah God is calling mankind to come let us reason together.

Now let me provide for you where the bible discourages doubt, scepticism expressly to uphold blind faith.

James 1:6
But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who
doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you,
avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is
falsely called "knowledge "-- which some have professed and thus gone
astray from the faith. Grace be with you.

"Blessed are those who do not seen but believe

I can provide countless verses where the bible discourages arguments, doubts, scepticism to protect "Uncertainty" (faith) which is the worse form of intellectual dishonesty and quagmire.

Pyrrho:
Johnydon,

All the testimonies christians present these days all have the same self-deceiving features?

"I'm alive. God have been protecting me and my family. Everything is rosy and smooth... I haven't fell sick in 2 months... He has been providing for my family..."

Like all others on earth are suffering and already dead.

Express lunacy of professed faith.
E.G one that is very ill and is in the hospital placed on life support.

Doctor: how are you feeling today?
Patient: I am good God's grace is keeping me alive.
Doctor: oh really then there is no need for the life support then let me remove it.
Patient: Nooooooo you want to kill me?
Doctor: but i thought God's grace is the one keeping you alive not the life support.
Patient: Uuuhm it's a metaphor

malvisguy212:
secret cult discourage its member from asking question, many religious book does so. But the bible challenge every christian to search for the truth. In john 5:39 the bible say search the scripture, and in the book of isaiah God is calling mankind to come let us reason together. REMAIN DEAD. Bye

when will you stop deceiving yourself?

Peter was said to have healed 3,000 men in one day?
I asked what your faith have accomplished, you are spewing trash.

Do you even realize that Peter had his head cut off for his trouble according to th bible stories?

Our pastors these days have done nothing but getting private jets.

Just use your brain for a change.

johnydon22:


what do you think a religion is? A religion is a cult that has gone public


Now let me provide for you where the bible discourages doubt, scepticism expressly to uphold blind faith.

James 1:6
But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who
doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.

I am very busy, I will quote this post later.

johnydon22:

Express lunacy of professed faith.

you do realize that your love ones belive in God, don't insult people who believe in God. This is what you complain about in your first post.

malvisguy212:
I am very busy, I will quote this post later.you do realize that your love ones belive in God, don't insult people who believe in God. This is what you complain about in your first post.

The truth doesn't lean to satisfy our feelings and our ego, that would mean we twist the truth to become untruth.

the truth is like an arrow, it will hurt some people when shot but must be shot none the less.

here is what i find lunatic

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction
incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability
to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.
I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability
to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show
of insanity when one propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true…

so first you never read the article, if you did you would have seen the post above.. I don't care what you believe by Faith but once you knowing fully well that it is an act of faith pushes for your belief to be taught as truth, it is a fraud, lie and an act of lunacy.

I was not insulting the people who believe in God(s) not at all. . what i find lunatic is equating an act of faith to be an absolute truth.

johnydon22:


The truth doesn't lean to satisfy our feelings and our ego, that would mean we twist the truth to become untruth.

the truth is like an arrow, it will hurt some people when shot but must be shot none the less.

here is what i find lunatic

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction
incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability
to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.
I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability
to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show
of insanity when one propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true…

so first you never read the article, if you did you would have seen the post above.. I don't care what you believe by Faith but once you knowing fully well that it is an act of faith pushes for your belief to be taught as truth, it is a fraud, lie and an act of lunacy.

I was not insulting the people who believe in God(s) not at all. . what i find lunatic is equating an act of faith to be an absolute truth.

They mistake faith for fact because they were "convinced" without evidences or proofs.

But they refuse to accept that they were convinced by compelling stories of creation, a jealous God - loving and horrific, who is willing to punish sinful humanity for eternity, and a promise of salvation and ETERNAL LIFE.

I respect theists who accepts their religion is based on faith and not facts. As hard as it is to admit though. No one can argue against such a position.

To begin with, please if it is possible always try to make your Op as brief and concise as possible. This long epistle of yours always get me bored and discouraged to want to read through and respond to your critique of biblical issues. What?? For heaven sake is this a scholary/academic piece for a masters or Phd programm.

johnydon22:
Faith is a very popular word used everyday in our society, there are many context by which this word is injected but the most popular being the Religious context …

The English Dictionary defines Faith as A feeling or conviction that something is true without having any empirical evidence for it

In the religious sense : Professed faith is the basis of every religion, belief system or belief class.

very correct.

Is this profession of Faith a Virtue or Lunacy?

There is a difference between "Knowing" (certainty) and "belief" (faith"

When something is proven directly in the empirical sense it leaves the realm of opinion, it becomes a FACT and you have no need to believe it rather you are certain of it.

But when something is unproven in the empirical sense there is need for "Faith" to be exercised to believe such proposal.

Good.

In a way Faith deals with emotion which drives the conviction to be stuck to whether it is true or not.

Very wrong.

Definist fallacy at play here.

From what you just implied, it is obvious that you've got a very poor understanding of what the concept of faith entails and also you ended up contradicting your definition of faith ab initio.

Now let me help you out with what faith is, seeing you are a carnal man untrained on the issues of faith, hence an impostor trying to occupy a position of authority on an issue, that he is nothing but a charlatan.

Just so you know, in christianity, faith is a virtue that is employed by man to access a distinct realm of life that transcends his natural world. A virtue that is anchored on a belief in a supreme/divine being who is Omniscient,Omnipresent and Omnipotent. The essence of being, he in whom the whole essence of life, seeing and unseeing is contained in.

Now the above inference, is a preamble designed to set the tone for you to understand the unnatural/unseen, mechanics/element that is responsible for the impelling and impestus that drives the Christian man to want to reach out to the realm that is beyond his natural world. This element is the constituent nature of the afformentioned being. Seeing he has the capacity/capability to do for man things, that man naturally may not be able to do for himself.

Having layed this foundation, let now define faith from a Christian/Scriptural perspective.

Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - KJV.

In laymans language this scriptural definition of faith can be simply rephrased as,,,,,...

- Being sure of things we are hoping or expecting from God with a sense of certainity that, though we can't see those things yet with our physical eye, yet they exist and are real because our God has the capability and capacity to bring them about just as he has promised.

So Johnydon get it, faith in Christian perspective means taking God by his word and being rest assured that he(God) will play his own part by bringing about those things that he has promised.

So finally faith is not about an emotion, which drives the conviction to be stuck whether it is true or not as you have erroneuosly purported.

Is Faith a trustable means of deduction?

This is a "NO"

Because faith is directly an admittance of uncertainty, an admittance of empirical blindness.

Hogwash. Definist fallacy as usual.

Secondly, faith is not a virtue for deductive reasoning, but rather it is designed for accessing the spiritual nebulous. Hence, a fallacy of inconsistent comparision on your part.

Imagine if scientific study worked with Faith: I cannot determine what causes these hurricanes but i believe it is the sea getting angry, i believe it by faith and i believe it's true"

Trash.

Fallacy of false analogy/misleading vividness.

Anyone engaging in such deductive reasoning is only embarking on a journey of Tom Foolery and self inflicted ignorance.

As earlier said, faith is not a tool for investigating the natural world but rather the spiritual realm.

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johnydon22:


Imagine what a world of unparalleled ignorance ours would be if we relied on Faith for our study and deductions of things that are.

We would only be swimming in total ignorance, a blind conformity to speculations and emotional convictions.

When there is evidence of a given idea nobody needs faith to believe, you and i do not believe there is a star shinning 8light minutes beside us, No we do not believe that we need not employ faith to believe it rather We know of it

So faith as a concept only is employed when someone is not sure but none the less maintains the subject of believe to be true.

which in essence is both dishonest and blind and cannot be a trusted means of deduction since it blinds certainty and directly or indirectly upholds dishonesty.

Virtue or Lunacy

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.

I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show of insanity when when propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true

If we relied on faith then everything actually can be.

-You can believe in God(s) by faith
-You can believe in Unicorns by faith
-You can believe in a diamond dog pig by faith
-Or a talking donkey
-flying horse or anything at all your mind can conceive but here is the plain truth.

Having a faith that something is does not make it true, your faith no matter how strong cannot, does not and will never make something true, not even probably true, it only shows you hold on to the conviction whether it is true or not

Such positions is not a virtue but rather a mark of dishonesty.

And such concepts as having a stoic conviction in the absence of evidence should not be celebrated in a 21st century marked in history by outstanding rate of scientific breakthroughs and information.

It is an enemy to the intellectual evolution of our species therefore can be regarded a dangerous factor.

How can one study to empirically ascertain the cause of thunder when he already believes by Faith that sango causes it?

He absolutely cannot since he already thinks he has an answer, even though uncertain his profession of faith in his answer makes him feel that there is certainty in that uncertainty therefore a probe to the actual eventuality is irrelevant and unneeded.

So Faith employed in our deductions will mar our ability to ascertain what is true whilst keeping us in a sheepish agreement to what we feel or want to be true

Faith and God(s)

The idea of God(s) and Faith has always being like a man and wife, every belief system in this world professes a conviction in a certain God or Gods by an act of Faith.[/s]

Gargantuan heap of trash.

Root cause:

Definist Fallacy.

Solution:

- The lot of you Atheist here should go and give you life to Christ and stop deceiving yourselves.


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