Then you are not reading the scriptures-nor are you listening, when Jesus made His remark by saying I and the Father are One, the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, "why" you asked, because the Jews heard Him say I and the Father are One. Meaning Jesus was telling them He and His Father are one the same God..This is why they wanted to stone Him.
And Jesus is proven to be without sin, so this proves Jesus wasn't lying when He said I and the Father are One {John 10:30}
{John 17:21} That they all maybe one; as you, Father are in Me, and I in You, that they also be One in us, that the world may believe the world had sent Me.

goodnews201668:
Oga there is no way this prove that Jesus and the father are one.
We are not talking about Jesus's nature, the issue is did Jesus ever said he and his father are one God?

Jozzy4:


You mean there is no difference, see your life.

humans will be ressurected To heaven to share in the divine nature of God , does it mean this humans will become Almighty Gods ? 2 pet 1:4

Lie Lie jozzy

zodiak is talking about God's nature and Divine nature,
and of course there is no difference, it's the same nature.


of course false jw jozzy who loves to lie - twist things around all over the place and say's:

"does it mean this humans will become Almighty Gods ? 2 pet 1:4"

Sharing in God's divine nature is obviously not becoming almighty god's.

Duh

Jozzy4:


" for us there is one God, the Father, from
whom are all things " 1 Cor 8:6 ESV

False jw jozzy, there is only one God the Father, and you left out the rest of the verse that shows that the Father and Jesus Christ are two persons in the one God, that of whom and by whom are all things:

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Also:

the Father (theos) means: a diety, especially the supreme Divinity, God

one Lord Jesus Christ (kurios) means: supreme in authority, God

some will also know that there are many lord's,
but Jesus there is called "one" Lord Jesus Christ


Eph_4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Or it could be said:
One God, one faith, one baptism, Lord and God in these verses both = God

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


There is the father (theos God)

There is one Lord Jesus Christ (kurios God)




Lie Lie jozzy

brocab:
Then you are not reading the scriptures-nor are you listening, when Jesus made His remark by saying I and the Father are One, the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, "why" you asked, because the Jews heard Him say I and the Father are One. Meaning Jesus was telling them He and His Father are one the same God..This is why they wanted to stone Him.
And Jesus is proven to be without sin, so this proves Jesus wasn't lying when He said I and the Father are One {John 10:30}
{John 17:21} That they all maybe one; as you, Father are in Me, and I in You, that they also be One in us, that the world may believe the world had sent Me.

Many verses have been posted showing that the Word - Jesus is God,
and false jw don't believe them.

But unless false jw sees an exact verse where Jesus say's "I am God" they won't believe,
the truth is they wouldn't believe even if there was an exact verse where Jesus said "I am God",
they would twist it and have Jesus saying "I am a god"

johnw74:


Many verses have been posted showing that the Word - Jesus is God,
and false jw don't believe them.

But unless false jw sees an exact verse where Jesus say's "I am God" they won't believe,
the truth is they wouldn't believe even if there was an exact verse where Jesus said "I am God",
they would twist it and have Jesus saying "I am a god"

hahahhahahhaha yes exactly. And as you said they would have by now changed it in their bible saying Jesus says "I am a god" instead of "I am God". John 1:1 and Heb 1:8 really got me very furious. If only Dolphinheart and his pple can just Understand the ministry of Jesus an both Man and God, they wouldnt be asking some senseless qtns.

Jozzy is one liar, he claims they are one in understanding yet he says Russell is not the founder of JW's whilst the OP of this thread says Russell is the founder, is that not division? I am being quiet bcs no matter what I tell him it seems he's blinded to the truth and would even lie even if the truth is right there in his face. Is God's nature and God's divine nature not the same? He knws it but bcs dolphinheart was fumbling about the nature of God, he decided to quickly cook up a lie to rescue his brother. I pity them

Jozzy and Dolphinheart, why have u guys changed Heb 1:8??

zodiakzax:
hahahhahahhaha yes exactly. And as you said they would have by now changed it in their bible saying Jesus says "I am a god" instead of "I am God". John 1:1 and Heb 1:8 really got me very furious. If only Dolphinheart and his pple can just Understand the ministry of Jesus an both Man and God, they wouldnt be asking some senseless qtns.

Jozzy is one liar, he claims they are one in understanding yet he says Russell is not the founder of JW's whilst the OP of this thread says Russell is the founder, is that not division? I am being quiet bcs no matter what I tell him it seems he's blinded to the truth and would even lie even if the truth is right there in his face. Is God's nature and God's divine nature not the same? He knws it but bcs dolphinheart was fumbling about the nature of God, he decided to quickly cook up a lie to rescue his brother. I pity them

Jozzy and Dolphinheart, why have u guys changed Heb 1:8??

1. you coUld not respond to my posts to you, hence you want to bring other issues up that will enable you not to respond to those posts.
2. you accuse me of fumbling about divine nature, and yet you could not state what I said about it, you could also not state what jozzy4 said about it, your character is being shown little by little.
you too could not quote and explain certain scriptures, I'm starting to think this is a universal charater of people who believe in trinity, they will not read, comment, qoute or explain certain scriptures!
sir if you want to ask me questions, go back to our posts, reply me there and ask your questions!

add also, my statements on divine nature and jozzy4 statement and lets compare, if you can't do that, then you have joined the league of false accusers .

dolphinheart:


1. you coUld not respond to my posts to you, hence you want to bring other issues up that will enable you not to respond to those posts.
2. you accuse me of fumbling about divine nature, and yet you could not state what I said about it, you could also not state what jozzy4 said about it, your character is being shown little by little.
you too could not quote and explain certain scriptures, I'm starting to think this is a universal charater of people who believe in trinity, they will not read, comment, qoute or explain certain scriptures!
sir if you want to ask me questions, go back to our posts, reply me there and ask your questions!

add also, my statements on divine nature and jozzy4 statement and lets compare, if you can't do that, then you have joined the league of false accusers .

dolphins heart your lies ehh. I don't blame you sha, that's the trademark of your organisation. Keep it up

There certain words in the bible that Jws wished were not there that is why they discourage sincere bible study without their material. I once study with a Jw when I was very young n do you know what they know nothing about the bible. She tried to suppress my questions by using their already made question but I was too much for her to handle

dolphinheart:


1. you coUld not respond to my posts to you, hence you want to bring other issues up that will enable you not to respond to those posts.
2. you accuse me of fumbling about divine nature, and yet you could not state what I said about it, you could also not state what jozzy4 said about it, your character is being shown little by little.
you too could not quote and explain certain scriptures, I'm starting to think this is a universal charater of people who believe in trinity, they will not read, comment, qoute or explain certain scriptures!
sir if you want to ask me questions, go back to our posts, reply me there and ask your questions!

add also, my statements on divine nature and jozzy4 statement and lets compare, if you can't do that, then you have joined the league of false accusers .

it seems you don't read my replies. I gave u scriptures to explain to me and show me if Jesus wasn't both God and man, (in that Christ was worshiped). And I did Reply your posts, maybe you still can't comprehend what am saying. I said, you will only understand my point if you understand that Jesus Christ came and is still both Man and God I did give scriptures which you explained some according to YOUR understanding and also failed to explain the rest. In some of your explanation you quote some scriptures I use and you ask me if that scripture meant Jesus is God, which doesn't make sense to me bcs Jesus is said to have the Characteristics of who God is, and if that doesn't make Him God then I don't really know what to tell u again. For example God is said to be the Creator and it is said of Jesus that He created the world. Now Just bcs Jesus is not specifically called the Creator doesn't mean He's not the Creator, so like one of my brothers asked, how do you call one who creates if that one is not the Creator Jozzy is a confused JW, more confused than you even though in a good way, in a good way bcs at least he is not that deep into the things of satan (which is of course your doctrines and organization). You on the other hand should be careful.

solite3:
dolphins heart your lies ehh. I don't blame you sha, that's the trademark of your organisation. Keep it up

all this post crossing will not help you, go and respond to the posts which I directed to you!
you claim I lie, yet you could not point it out !

dolphinheart:


all this post crossing will not help you, go and respond to the posts which I directed to you!
you claim I lie, yet you could not point it out !

dolphinsheart I can not begin to root out all your lies but one of your biggest lie is repeating questions that had already been answered not just me, but by others. your posts are becoming stale, all your lies had already been busted and thrown away like trash that it is and repeating it will not make it better either, I suggest that if you don't have anything to say keep quiet but if you have any question, ask in honesty and by God's grace you will be answered

Come on JW's lets question the true Foundation, Where actually did Jesus call Himself to be the Son of God, and not the Son of Man. Point out the scriptures where did Jesus call Himself the Son of God.
There are many scriptures where someone else had called Jesus the Son of God, such as these words came from Peter {Matthew 16:16} You are the Messiah the Son of the Living God.
And His Father said in {Matthew 3:17} This is My Son in Him I am well pleased.
{Luke 1:31-32} Gabriel the Angel told Mary She will give birth to a Son and shall call him Jesus and he will be the Son of the Most high.
{John 19:7} The Pharisees Claimed that Jesus said He was the Son of God.
These are four verses where someone other then Jesus called Him the Son of God.
But did Jesus say it Himself He is the Son of God?
Jesus had used the Old Testament scriptures, to pull Himself out of trouble at times-such as "Psalms" He manage to use this verse only after He told the Jews He was God, when they were about to stone Him, Jesus quickly quoted {Psalms 83:6} to help pull Himself out of the trouble He was about to face with the Jews. And of course the Jews responded to that because it was written in the scriptures, so they allowed Jesus to pass through.
{John 10:34-35} We are not stoning you for the good work, said the Jews, "But for blasphemy, because you are a man declare yourself to be God" Jesus replied it is not written in your law. I have said you are gods. If He called them gods to whom the word of God came and the scripture can not be broken.
Which of course Jesus quoted out from the Old testament {Psalms 83:6} I said," you are gods, and all of you are the sons of the Most high.
So instead of arguing this point lets read the scriptures, if Jesus didn't directly say He is God, He didn't directly say He is the Son of God neither?
But we all believe He is the Son of God. But Jesus didn't directly say He is? The Son of Man yes, but He didn't directly call Himself the Son of God.
{John 17:1} is got to be the closes I can find-glorify your Son that your Son may glorify you.
But this verse does not directly say He is the Son of God, Plus we are classed as God's sons too.

zodiakzax:
it seems you don't read my replies. I gave u scriptures to explain to me and show me if Jesus wasn't both God and man, (in that Christ was worshiped).

I do read you replies well well, I told you my views on what you posted, it's an attempt by you to not respond to my post to you, if truly you where sincere about your beliefs, you would have responded to that post and explained the scriptures found in it, but you prefer to ignore an existing post only to now mention me again with new questions.
I'm not saying I wunt answer you questions, but pls do so in the post I specifically directed to you! This method of skipping existing posts is is an attempt not to answer questions, read scriptures and explanations giving in that post. dnt about mentioning dolphinheart in other posts while you refuse to respond to existing ones.

And I did Reply your posts, maybe you still can't comprehend what am saying.

no sir , more than once now you refused to respond, only to mention my name in another post to someone else. If you dnt believe me, check the post made by me on may 31, 3:40 PM, page 72 of these thread. Also check my post made on 9: 28 am June 2 page 77 and 11:19PM June 3 page78.
If truly you can proof that you quoted and replied those posts, I'll apologise!

I've reminded you about those posts, second and third time being 7:14PM June 5 page 83,and 7:40 PM June 5 page 83.

You did not respond to the posts I reminded you about , but you went ahead to bring another issue up which I responded to on 11: 53 PM June 5 page 84 and completed the response on 1:06 PM June 6 page 85

before this time, you had stopped quoting me directly in a bid not to answer the questions asked or to respond to scriptures quoted to you, you now mention dolphinheart in other posts, Leaving my previous response and scriptures.

you can see that, I had provided proof to back up my claims, hope you will respond accordingly.

I said, you will only understand my point if you understand that Jesus Christ came and is still both Man and God I did give scriptures which you explained some according to YOUR understanding and also failed to explain the rest.

all the scriptures you have provided so far,(apart from the post where you mentioned many scriptures)I have qouted it, and explained it. You could not even quote the scriptures you mentioned. I have also provided other scriptures that help one understand the issues under discussion, but you refused to quote them , talk less of giving any explanations.

I asked you some questions about Jesus being both man and God, you failed to respond to that. How can I believe something that is unsriptural!

I did say that as to the remaining scriptures in that first post of yours, I'll respond to them soon , remember I numbered each point you raised and will continue from last point responded to.

In some of your explanation you quote some scriptures I use and you ask me if that scripture meant Jesus is God, which doesn't make sense to me bcs Jesus is said to have the Characteristics of who God is, and if that doesn't make Him God then I don't really know what to tell u again. For example God is said to be the Creator and it is said of Jesus that He created the world. Now Just bcs Jesus is not specifically called the Creator doesn't mean He's not the Creator, so like one of my brothers asked, how do you call one who creates if that one is not the Creator Jozzy is a confused JW, more confused than you even though in a good way, in a good way bcs at least he is not that deep into the things of satan (which is of course your doctrines and organization). You on the other hand should be careful.

Once again, I did explain to you the issue of creator, but you did not respond to that post ,you decided to bring it up here again. well, here was my response, let's see if you will respond to the scriptures and give your understanding, if contrary , to the scriptures posted there.

"Do these verses mean that Jesus is the same person as God? I answer is no .
why do I say so?
reading from verse 1 oF Hebrews shows that it is God that was talking and that God was not talking about himself but talking to and about someone else. The attributes he asigned to the person he was talking go and about cannot be applied to God, in this case I'll refer to this God as Almighty God .

excerpts from previous verses of heb chapter one before we get to verse 10.
King James Version
Heb 1:1-4,9: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his(a) Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God,(your god) hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

What have I learnt from those verses, I've learnt that(pls correct me if Im wrong)
1. that the person (Jesus) being referred to in verse 10 is not the God that was talking in that verse.
2. that the person , Jesus in an heir, the almighty God is not an heir to no person.
3. The person being refered to in verse 10 sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, thus that person(jesus) is not the Majesty on high, which indicates jesus is not the most high!
4. the person being talked about in verse 10 has a God who anointed and promoted him!

With the above, I do not think that person is almighty God , who is said to be the creator.
but the question is still there, how can this person who god was talking about be said to have laid the foundation of the earth as God is said to have done. The answer lies in the following scriptures.

[b]Ps 33:6By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made, And by the spirit of his mouth everything in them.

Col 1:15,16He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

Pr 8:22, 27- 31: Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
28When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth,
30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
31I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men.[/b]

This scriptures proves to me, and I hope it does so to you too that jehovah, who is called the almighty God is primarily responsible for creation, the power for the creation came from but he used his only begotten Son, who was his master worker, to do it .
That is why the apostles could rightly distinguish between jesus and God and their roles in creation, they told us :

1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 1:10He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.
pls do not forget what the God talking in verse 10 of heb chapter was said to do with Jesus in verse 2."

In another post, I reminded you about this post above and added more scriptures:

"if you had read my post with all seriousness, you would have seen the answers to these statements. Since you have refused to quote and explain the scriptures I have shown you, it seems you know the truth, but want it covered!
look at the bolded again, " God said of the son" , how do you think the one who is talking about another person now be the same as the person he talking about?
pls read heb 1: 1,2 again

King James Version
Heb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

is God the prophets? no , the prophets where messengers of God!
why then do you think God spoke through himself in the next verse?

King James Version
Heb 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

solite3:
dolphinsheart I can not begin to root out all your lies but one of your biggest lie is repeating questions that had already been answered not just me, but by others.

then it will be easy for you to post one of theM na, what is preventing you if you think my lies are many.

have you solite3 answered the questions asked ? no !, if you have, you would have posted it.

your posts are becoming stale, all your lies had already been busted and thrown away like trash that it is and repeating it will not make it better either, I suggest that if you don't have anything to say keep quiet but if you have any question, ask in honesty and by God's grace you will be answered

for ya mind!

Solite3 pls respond:

Sorry to say. Thank God you have finally agreed that Jesus is a man even in heaven but that's not the whole story,

will you stop lying against me!


Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.

lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b]

Jesus is fully God.
John explains what it means for Jesus to be God {John 1:1-5} Firstly he explains Jesus is eternal, in other words He was not created, but had always existed, Secondly it means Jesus is the creator of all things that have been created. There is nothing that doesn't exist that have the label, made by Jesus.
Paul writes the same things in {Colossians 1:16-17}
Jesus is God on earth.
John explains the staggering fact of the incarnation {John 1:14-18} This God the creator and sustainer of all things-close to enter His creation He became fully human and lived amongst us, In the human {person} of Jesus we can see God fully.
Jesus is fully human.
The picture of the gospel writers gave us of Jesus is one of someone that is distinctly human. He became flesh {John 1:14} He got hungry and was tempted like we are {Luke 4:1-13} Even after His death and resurrection Jesus went to great lengths to show He is still fully human: He shows His hands and feet, and eats with them, He done this all to show that he is not a ghost {Luke 24:36-43} And He was raised as a human, and is still human now. The first of many humans in heaven.
Jesus can help because He is God and Man
The fact that Jesus is both God and Man, is very important to us. As a human He shares in our Human weaknesses, He knows what it is like to be tempted as a human, and therefore is able to represent us in our presence of the Father where He pleads to Him for us {Hebrews 5:7} Because He is fully God, He can show Us what God is like {John 14:8-11} but more important because He is God, He is able to pay for our sins and bring us into a relationship with God again {Colossians 1:19-20} In other words the problem we find in ourselves the alienation that our sins bring between us and God.
Jesus can fix because He is both man and God, He is able to reconcile us.

dolphinheart:

I do read you replies well well, I told you my views on what you posted, it's an attempt by you to not respond to my post to you, if truly you where sincere about your beliefs, you would have responded to that post and explained the scriptures found in it, but you prefer to ignore an existing post only to now mention me again with new questions.
I'm not saying I wunt answer you questions, but pls do so in the post I specifically directed to you! This method of skipping existing posts is is an attempt not to answer questions, read scriptures and explanations giving in that post. dnt about mentioning dolphinheart in other posts while you refuse to respond to existing ones.


no sir , more than once now you refused to respond, only to mention my name in another post to someone else. If you dnt believe me, check the post made by me on may 31, 3:40 PM, page 72 of these thread. Also check my post made on 9: 28 am June 2 page 77 and 11:19PM June 3 page78.
If truly you can proof that you quoted and replied those posts, I'll apologise!

I've reminded you about those posts, second and third time being 7:14PM June 5 page 83,and 7:40 PM June 5 page 83.

You did not respond to the posts I reminded you about , but you went ahead to bring another issue up which I responded to on 11: 53 PM June 5 page 84 and completed the response on 1:06 PM June 6 page 85

before this time, you had stopped quoting me directly in a bid not to answer the questions asked or to respond to scriptures quoted to you, you now mention dolphinheart in other posts, Leaving my previous response and scriptures.

you can see that, I had provided proof to back up my claims, hope you will respond accordingly.


all the scriptures you have provided so far,(apart from the post where you mentioned many scriptures)I have qouted it, and explained it. You could not even quote the scriptures you mentioned. I have also provided other scriptures that help one understand the issues under discussion, but you refused to quote them , talk less of giving any explanations.

I asked you some questions about Jesus being both man and God, you failed to respond to that. How can I believe something that is unsriptural!

I did say that as to the remaining scriptures in that first post of yours, I'll respond to them soon , remember I numbered each point you raised and will continue from last point responded to.



Once again, I did explain to you the issue of creator, but you did not respond to that post ,you decided to bring it up here again. well, here was my response, let's see if you will respond to the scriptures and give your understanding, if contrary , to the scriptures posted there.

"Do these verses mean that Jesus is the same person as God? I answer is no .
why do I say so?
reading from verse 1 oF Hebrews shows that it is God that was talking and that God was not talking about himself but talking to and about someone else. The attributes he asigned to the person he was talking go and about cannot be applied to God, in this case I'll refer to this God as Almighty God .

excerpts from previous verses of heb chapter one before we get to verse 10.
King James Version
Heb 1:1-4,9: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his(a) Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God,(your god) hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

What have I learnt from those verses, I've learnt that(pls correct me if Im wrong)
1. that the person (Jesus) being referred to in verse 10 is not the God that was talking in that verse.
2. that the person , Jesus in an heir, the almighty God is not an heir to no person.
3. The person being refered to in verse 10 sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, thus that person(jesus) is not the Majesty on high, which indicates jesus is not the most high!
4. the person being talked about in verse 10 has a God who anointed and promoted him!

With the above, I do not think that person is almighty God , who is said to be the creator.
but the question is still there, how can this person who god was talking about be said to have laid the foundation of the earth as God is said to have done. The answer lies in the following scriptures.

[b]Ps 33:6By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made, And by the spirit of his mouth everything in them.

Col 1:15,16He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

Pr 8:22, 27- 31: Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
28When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth,
30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
31I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men.[/b]

This scriptures proves to me, and I hope it does so to you too that jehovah, who is called the almighty God is primarily responsible for creation, the power for the creation came from but he used his only begotten Son, who was his master worker, to do it .
That is why the apostles could rightly distinguish between jesus and God and their roles in creation, they told us :

1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 1:10He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.
pls do not forget what the God talking in verse 10 of heb chapter was said to do with Jesus in verse 2."

In another post, I reminded you about this post above and added more scriptures:

"if you had read my post with all seriousness, you would have seen the answers to these statements. Since you have refused to quote and explain the scriptures I have shown you, it seems you know the truth, but want it covered!
look at the bolded again, " God said of the son" , how do you think the one who is talking about another person now be the same as the person he talking about?
pls read heb 1: 1,2 again

King James Version
Heb 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

is God the prophets? no , the prophets where messengers of God!
why then do you think God spoke through himself in the next verse?

King James Version
Heb 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

ooopppssS waiiittt. What happened to from vs 5-8 (Heb 1), you were quick to quote 1-4 Then jump to 9, pls do continue from 5-8. Jesus was the creator, God said "I by my own hand laid the foundation of the earth" qtn why didn't He say I by my Son laid the foundation of the earth? Is God a liar? Does His words change? Anyway waiting for Heb 1:5-8.

I find even in your own teachings, theirs is a large twist, how God is described.
You can't seem to get your head around "Who is, who was, and who is to come, you are either reading the Watchtower magazines and receiving your teachings from them, Or you have gone after your own.
You believe God is a person? "But you don't believe He came Hear as a Man. You believe No-one had seen God at anytime-but you don't believe Jesus was seen and lived among us as both Man and God.
You had actually described God coming to Earth as a person, but you don't recognise who He is. You have read God created all things in the universe, but you don't believe Jesus created all things in the universe.
You believe their is only one Father but you don't believe Jesus said He and His Father are One the same {John 10:30} I and the Father are One.
The Jews knew exactly what Jesus had said, look at their evidence they wanted to stone Him. But a question for you is, was Jesus lying?
You had described God as Jesus coming to earth {Colossians 1:16} All things were created through Him, and for Him..Jesus created everything that was created.
Which of course you can't believe Jesus is coming in the clouds 'that every eye will see Him, but you can believe God is coming in the clouds 'and every eye will see Him.
{Acts 1:9} After He had said this He {Jesus} was taken up before their eye's and a cloud hid Him.
You say this is God in {Revelation 1:7-8} Every eye will see Him coming. Same God said no-one has seen Him at any time?
{Acts 1:10-11} They were looking intently into the shy as He was going up, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee they said; why do you stand there looking into the sky? This same Jesus who had been taken from you into heaven, will come back the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.
{Mark 16:19, } Says it all who was taken up into the clouds and who's returning the same way.
And let me say Jesus hasn't made His final leap yet, His time is still to come.

dolphinheart:

then it will be easy for you to post one of theM na, what is preventing you if you think my lies are many.

have you solite3 answered the questions asked ? no !, if you have, you would have posted it.


for ya mind!

Solite3 pls respond:


will you stop lying against me!


Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.

lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b]

zodiakzax:
ooopppssS waiiittt. What happened to from vs 5-8 (Heb 1), you were quick to quote 1-4 Then jump to 9, pls do continue from 5-8. Jesus was the creator, God said "I by my own hand laid the foundation of the earth" qtn why didn't He say I by my Son laid the foundation of the earth? Is God a liar? Does His words change? Anyway waiting for Heb 1:5-8.

WELL, ALL CAN SEE MY EXPLAINATIONS AND THE SCRIPTURES I QUOTED, WHICH YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN OR REFUTE.

your statement would have been understood if the issues had been on heb 1: 1-9, but the isues had been on if jesus is God and what your statement on thier similarity really means.
ive shown you that Jesus is not the God mentioned their, and also explained the issue you had on creation. that post is the 3rd time I explained it to you but you still refuse to respond or qoute and explain the scriptures found their, you also failed go examine the other issues found in the post, acting as IF they do not exist.
ive once told you, read the scriptures, dnt just look for similarities. A king in babyLon called himself the same title used for Jesus, does this mean the king of babyLon is jesus ? No!, how do we know this? through examination of the scriptures sir.
If you are truth full, you will quote those scriptures I posted and give your own views about them, but if you are not truthful, you will keep on omitting and refuse to explain those scriptures.

does heb 1:1-4, 9 say Jesus is not God and 5-8 say Jesus is God?, if not why do you insist on 5-8 and refuse to quote and explain 1-4

EVERYONE CAN SEE YOUR DECEPTIVE TACTICS, YOU LEAVE THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU AND QUOTE THE POST DIRECTED TO OTHERS, SAME TACTICS USED BY THE OTHERS PERSON. AND EVEN WHEN YOU QUOTE THE POST YOU FAIL TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUES, QUESTIONS AND SCRIPTURES FOUND THEIR.
well ,since the post posted to you has exposed your false doctrine, the best next thing is to leave it alone, cus quoting it will only expose you further!

brocab:
I find even in your own teachings, theirs is a large twist, how God is described.

there are no twists, large or small.

You can't seem to get your head around "Who is, who was, and who is to come, you are either reading the Watchtower magazines and receiving your teachings from them, Or you have gone after your own.

I've used the scriptures to Identify to you him who is who was and who is coming, you could not refute what I showed you, neither could you qoute and explain those scriptures I used.

You believe God is a person? "But you don't believe He came Hear as a Man. You believe No-one had seen God at anytime-but you don't believe Jesus was seen and lived among us as both Man and God.

sir, the scriptures say no one has seen God at any time, but people saw Jesus, therefore Jesus is not the God no one has seen at anytime.
If you had taken time to read that verse to the end , you would have noticed that Jesus is not the God who was being mentioned their.
try to quote that verse fully next time, it will help.

You had actually described God coming to Earth as a person, but you don't recognise who He is. You have read God created all things in the universe, but you don't believe Jesus created all things in the universe.

hope you have read heb 1:1,2, read it and learn!

You believe their is only one Father but you don't believe Jesus said He and His Father are One the same {John 10:30} I and the Father are One.

the bold is a lie!, the verse never said so!

The Jews knew exactly what Jesus had said, look at their evidence they wanted to stone Him. But a question for you is, was Jesus lying?

What evidence, the one based on wrong understanding of what jesus said?
Jesus did not lie, it's you that is lying againSt jesus, calling him what he did not call himself
did Jesus call himself God ? no ! he said

Joh 10:36[u]do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world,[/u] ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?[/u]

YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS CALLED HIMSELF, WHO THE ANGEL TOLD MARY THAT JESUS IS, YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE FATHER, YOU PREFER CALLING JESUS THE FATHER!

[b]Joh 5:20[u]For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does,[/u] and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Joh 10:25Jesus answered them: “I told you, and yet you do not believe. The works that I am doing in my Father’s name, these bear witness about me.

YOU PREFER TO BELIEVE THE PHARISEES, CUS THEIR BELIEVES RHYMES WITH YOURS, YOU REFUSED TO LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THAT BELIEVE

Joh 5:46In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

what did Moses write about Jesus, did he say Jesus is God?no , did he say God himself is the one coming? no .

Moses said:

De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.

Lu 24:44He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Joh 1:45Philip found Na·thanʹa·el and said to him: “We have found the one of whom Moses, in the Law, and the Prophets wrote: Jesus, the son of Joseph, from Nazʹa·reth.”

You had described God as Jesus coming to earth {Colossians 1:16} All things were created through Him, and for Him..Jesus created everything that was created.

you are a liar brocab, no wonder you could not quote where I made such description.
you refused to quote that verse, probably because quoting it will prevent you from twisting it. The previous verse has clarified who god is
King James Version
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Which of course you can't believe Jesus is coming in the clouds 'that every eye will see Him, but you can believe God is coming in the clouds 'and every eye will see Him.

stop lying againSt me brocab!

{Acts 1:9} After He had said this He {Jesus} was taken up before their eye's and a cloud hid Him.
You say this is God in {Revelation 1:7-8} Every eye will see Him coming. Same God said no-one has seen Him at any time?

you are a liar brocab , the lies has eating deep into you. This is what I said :

the verse (rev 1: is talking about God, the Father, the almighty, the most high! and below is what the verse said :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

BROCAB, YOU HAVE PERFECTED THE ACT OF NOT QUOTING MY POSTS SO THAT YOU CAN BE ABLE TO LIE, STATING THAT I SAID AND BELIEVED THINGS I DID NOT SAY OR IMPLY.

THE ABOVE IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THE POSTS IN WHICH MY EXPLAINATIONS ON REV 1: 1,4-8 REV 3: 2:12 AND HEB 1:9 IS GIVING.

{Acts 1:10-11} They were looking intently into the shy as He was going up, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee they said; why do you stand there looking into the sky? This same Jesus who had been taken from you into heaven, will come back the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.
{Mark 16:19, } Says it all who was taken up into the clouds and who's returning the same way.
And let me say Jesus hasn't made His final leap yet, His time is still to come.

the scripture has told you the truth brocab, stop twisting it !

dolphinheart:


WELL, ALL CAN SEE MY EXPLAINATIONS AND THE SCRIPTURES I QUOTED, WHICH YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN OR REFUTE.

your statement would have been understood if the issues had been on heb 1: 1-9, but the isues had been on if jesus is God and what your statement on thier similarity really means.
ive shown you that Jesus is not the God mentioned their, and also explained the issue you had on creation. that post is the 3rd time I explained it to you but you still refuse to respond or qoute and explain the scriptures found their, you also failed go examine the other issues found in the post, acting as IF they do not exist.
ive once told you, read the scriptures, dnt just look for similarities. A king in babyLon called himself the same title used for Jesus, does this mean the king of babyLon is jesus ? No!, how do we know this? through examination of the scriptures sir.
If you are truth full, you will quote those scriptures I posted and give your own views about them, but if you are not truthful, you will keep on omitting and refuse to explain those scriptures.

does heb 1:1-4, 9 say Jesus is not God and 5-8 say Jesus is God?, if not why do you insist on 5-8 and refuse to quote and explain 1-4

Mr dolphinheart, do you really read your own posts? Does it make sense to you? If I am king and I call myself God, does that make me "God"? Besides the king you Are talking about, was he not punished for his Arrogance and stupidity? Did any of God's prophet call that king God? Did God call him God? So why then do you even compare him with Jesus. I don't refute your explanations bcs it doesn't make sense and obviously you dont know what you are saying. Maybe I didn't read, please do me the favor by explaining again Heb 1:5-8. Don't get me wrong, our discussion is on whether Jesus is both God and man when on earth and in heaven or man on earth and Angel Michael in heaven. You claim He was man on earth (which should even tell you that as a man He will have a God) and angel Michael in heaven. Heb 1:5-8 has the answer. Pls take your time and explain. Plus my posts on the worship of Christ havn't been replied. Still waiting for tht.

zodiakzax:
Mr dolphinheart, do you really read your own posts? Does it make sense to you? If I am king and I call myself God, does that make me "God"?

never said anything that correlates with what you just said sir, where did you get the above!

Besides the king you Are talking about, was he not punished for his Arrogance and stupidity? Did any of God's prophet call that king God? Did God call him God? So why then do you even compare him with Jesus.

first, I did not say the prophets called the king God, listen to what I said very well.
Let me explain it to you again.

King James Version
Da 2:37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

the above is in reference to the king of babylon , no be so?

[b]King James Version
Re 17:14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
the above is referenced to jesus , no be so?

both are called King of kings, no be so?(I can bet you wunt answer these question)

now since both jesus and the king of babylon are called King of kings, why dnt you say they are the same?
answer: because you have read the scriptures, and the scriptures have shown you that despite the fact that they have the same titles, they are different persons!

apply this same logic to jesus and God and you will see clearly the difference. read the scriptures I pointed to you, examine the questions I asked , and you will see the futility of saying Jesus is God cus of their similarities?
someone told Jesus to sit at his right hand, is that person jesus? no !
Are they the same person ? no !

I don't refute your explanations bcs it doesn't make sense and obviously you dont know what you are saying. Maybe I didn't read, please do me the favor by explaining again Heb 1:5-8. Don't get me wrong, our discussion is on whether Jesus is both God and man when on earth and in heaven or man on earth and Angel Michael in heaven. You claim He was man on earth (which should even tell you that as a man He will have a God) and angel Michael in heaven. Heb 1:5-8 has the answer. Pls take your time and explain. Plus my posts on the worship of Christ havn't been replied. Still waiting for tht.

sir, do you agree with the explanations I gave on the scriptures I quoted? , if you do let us know that one first, and if you dnt, pls quote those scriptures and tell us what you understand by them . In case you have forgotten those scriptures, here they are again.

1.Heb 1: 1-4,9
2. Col 1:15,16
3. proverbs 8: 22,27-31
4. Co 8:6

after you had quoted and explained those scriptures which I've quoted to you several times, whicy you did not agree with its explaination and refuse to give yours, then we will move on to other discussions like " worship of jesus ".
dnt scatter it, let's clear each issue one by one.

like I said before, If you are truth full, you will quote those scriptures I posted and give your own views about them, but if you are not truthful, you will keep on omitting and refuse to explain those scriptures.

does heb 1:1-4, 9 say Jesus is not God and 5-8 say Jesus is God?, if not why do you insist on 5-8 and refuse to quote and explain 1-4
?

dolphinheart:

never said anything that correlates with what you just said sir, where did you get the above!


first, I did not say the prophets called the king God, listen to what I said very well.
Let me explain it to you again.

King James Version
Da 2:37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

the above is in reference to the king of babylon , no be so?

[b]King James Version
Re 17:14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
the above is referenced to jesus , no be so?

both are called King of kings, no be so?(I can bet you wunt answer these question)

now since both jesus and the king of babylon are called King of kings, why dnt you say they are the same?
answer: because you have read the scriptures, and the scriptures have shown you that despite the fact that they have the same titles, they are different persons!

apply this same logic to jesus and God and you will see clearly the difference. read the scriptures I pointed to you, examine the questions I asked , and you will see the futility of saying Jesus is God cus of their similarities?
someone told Jesus to sit at his right hand, is that person jesus? no !
Are they the same person ? no !



sir, do you agree with the explanations I gave on the scriptures I quoted? , if you do let us know that one first, and if you dnt, pls quote those scriptures and tell us what you understand by them . In case you have forgotten those scriptures, here they are again.

1.Heb 1: 1-4,9
2. Col 1:15,16
3. proverbs 8: 22,27-31
4. Co 8:6

after you had quoted and explained those scriptures which I've quoted to you several times, whicy you did not agree with its explaination and refuse to give yours, then we will move on to other discussions like " worship of jesus ".
dnt scatter it, let's clear each issue one by one.

like I said before, If you are truth full, you will quote those scriptures I posted and give your own views about them, but if you are not truthful, you will keep on omitting and refuse to explain those scriptures.

does heb 1:1-4, 9 say Jesus is not God and 5-8 say Jesus is God?, if not why do you insist on 5-8 and refuse to quote and explain 1-4
?

Dolphinheart, did you read my post well? Did I say the prophets called the king you were referring to God? I gave an example saying if I am King and I call myself God, does that make me God? Then I went ahead to ask you that did God and His prophets call that king in question God? I did not say the prophets called him God. I asked a qtn. Open your eyes. Lemme break it down for you since you probably might not understand:

Was that king referred to as the Son of God? was he referred to as Mighty God? Everlasting Father? Prince of Peace? God with us? King of Kings and Lord of Lords (cf Deut 10:17,Ps 136:2-3), was he referred to as the Word of God? Was he referred to as God? Was that king called the Creator?( if that king in question was given all of the above attributes then I can boldly tell you he is God)

Now,

Was nebuchadnezzer then not a king? Was he not a king over all the kings? Just like pharoah was a king over all other kings bcs then his kingdom was very powerful? Did God or any other God's prophet called him king of kings and Lord of Lords? Did Jesus not tell pilate his kingdom was not of this world? Was all authority not given to Christ both in heaven and on earth? Is He not the King in heaven? Was nebuchadnezzer a king in heaven? Any learned man won't even assume that. Maybe you think this thread is about you alone, all those scriptures you have mentioned has been explained, maybe you should go back and read our posts. I did comment on prov 8, and my brothers commented on most of the other scriptures. So if you want my explanation kindly go back and start reading my posts and the posts of my brothers. You still havn't explained Heb 1:5-8, I said explain and stop asking me useless qtns. Also am waiting for the reply of my post on the worship of Christ.

zodiakzax:
Dolphinheart, did you read my post well? Did I say the prophets called the king you were referring to God? I gave an example saying if I am King and I call myself God, does that make me God? Then I went ahead to ask you that did God and His prophets call that king in question God? I did not say the prophets called him God. I asked a qtn. Open your eyes. Lemme break it down for you since you probably might not understand:

you can give any example you want , what I noticed is that you like the rest of theM refuse to see the example I gave , the scriptures I gave and the question I asked!
I shown you two persons bearing the same title, but reading further on the scriptures shows they are different persons, this is to show you the futility of searching for similarities in the scriptures without reading the scriptures.

Was that king referred to as the Son of God? was he referred to as Mighty God? Everlasting Father? Prince of Peace? God with us? King of Kings and Lord of Lords (cf Deut 10:17,Ps 136:2-3), was he referred to as the Word of God? Was he referred to as God? Was that king called the Creator?( if that king in question was given all of the above attributes then I can boldly tell you he is God)

the king of babylon was never called most of the above, same way jesus is not called most of the titles attributed to God almighty , for example, most high, supreme , almighty God,

neither was the God almighty called the firstborn from the dead, son of God, firstborn of Gods creation, etc.

Now,

Was nebuchadnezzer then not a king?Was he not a king over all the kings?
Just like pharoah was a king over all other kings bcs then his kingdom was very powerful? Did God or any other God's prophet called him king of kings and Lord of Lords? Did Jesus not tell pilate his kingdom was not of this world? Was all authority not given to Christ both in heaven and on earth? Is He not the King in heaven? Was nebuchadnezzer a king in heaven? Any learned man won't even assume that.

Good, you can see that when you examined the scriptures further, you realised that the King of babylon is not Jesus. If one had taken the title King of kings of nebuchadnezzer and Jesus and just say they are same person, without first reading those verses in full and and using the scriptures to seperate them, one will be reading the scriptures wrongly. but the above tactic is what you employed when you tried to say because of similarities between almighty God and jesus, then jesus is that same person called almighty God. hope you can see now why that method is not good. When you see two person being given same title, pls try and find out why.
Jesus is a person, Jesus is a god, but he is not the same God as the one who anointed him, that person is his God!

Maybe you think this thread is about you alone, all those scriptures you have mentioned has been explained, maybe you should go back and read our posts.

who is "our"?
This "our" and "we" excuse you have used is getting not tenable , hope you have not joined the league of those who refused to quote and explain scriptures. Anytime you are being asked to explain scriptures, you lie that it has been explained, but refused to show where it was quoted and explained .

here they are again.
1.Heb 1: 1-4,9
2. Col 1:15,16
3. proverbs 8: 22,27-31
4. Co 8:6

I did comment on prov 8, and my brothers commented on most of the other scriptures.

sir , I did not ask you to comment, I asked you to quote and explain those scriptures, hope you too will not start selecting scriptures you want to respond to and omitting the ones you dnt want to respond to.
If you feel your brothers, whoever they are, have quoted and explained those scriptures, pls post what they said , or direct me to where they said it. You can see that when I showed you proof of my posts which you refused(up till now) to respond to, I showed you where these posts are!
I never relied on anyone in explaining the scriptures I qouted to you, why can't you share your own views of these scriptures!

So if you want my explanation kindly go back and start reading my posts and the posts of my brothers. You still havn't explained Heb 1:5-8, I said explain and stop asking me useless qtns. Also am waiting for the reply of my post on the worship of Christ.

see excuse!, it just shows what you are ready to do and say so as not to be faced with those scriptures, continue!

like I said before, If you are truth full, you will quote those scriptures I posted and give your own views about them, but if you are not truthful, you will keep on omitting and refuse to explain those scriptures.

does heb 1:1-4, 9 say Jesus is not God and 5-8 say Jesus is God?, if not why do you insist on 5-8 and refuse to quote and explain 1-4
?

I you truly want your questions and issues answered, then quote and explain those scriptures, for if I give you more scriptures to examine, you will still refuse to quote and explain them too!

johnw74:


False jw jozzy, there is only one God the Father, and you left out the rest of the verse that shows that the Father and Jesus Christ are two persons in the one God, that of whom and by whom are all things:

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Also:

the Father (theos) means: a diety, especially the supreme Divinity, God

one Lord Jesus Christ (kurios) means: supreme in authority, God

some will also know that there are many lord's,
but Jesus there is called "one" Lord Jesus Christ


Eph_4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Or it could be said:
One God, one faith, one baptism, Lord and God in these verses both = God

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


There is the father (theos God)

There is one Lord Jesus Christ (kurios God)




Lie Lie jozzy

there is one GOD, THE FATHER ...... NOT TRINITY . shame on you liars

johnw74:




Lie Lie jozzy




Bill said about Jims pet Tiger: "it eats a lot"
Bill said "it" because he didn't know what sex it was
But the Tiger is not a thing but an animal.

It could be in the same way that a writer calls the Holy spirit "it"
because spirit doesn't have sexual gender, but that's just one possibility.

Now why don't you believe all these scriptures showing that the Holy spirit
is personable and not a thing - a power.


ANSWER

let me open ur thinking faculty bro , the FATHER IS A SPIRIT AND HE IS NEVER CALLED AN IT again can THE pronoun it be used for a person ?

alexis:


So it's down to English and Semantics now abi? So, Jesus can create the whole universe and everything in it but because He wasn't called the Creator means He is not the Creator of what He created. Here we go again:

Colossians 1:16 = For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

From the above scripture, did Jesus everything?

for by him ..... that statement reveal he is NOT THE SOURCE but medium through which all things are created . only the source reserves the title of a CREATOR . Again JESUS IS NEVER CALLED CREATOR , HE himself acknowledge the FATHER AS CREATOR ( MATT 19:4-6)

Jozzy4:


for by him ..... that statement reveal he is NOT THE SOURCE but medium through which all things are created . only the source reserves the title of a CREATOR . Again JESUS IS NEVER CALLED CREATOR , HE himself acknowledge the FATHER AS CREATOR ( MATT 19:4-6)

Jesus help us . How do you reconcile this verse:

John 1:3 = ALL things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Remember, we agreed that made and create are the same . This is stating that Jesus MADE/CREATE EVERYTHING. It said "WITHOUT JESUS"; there will be no creation. Can you use your JW doctrine to lawyer your way through this one? .

Heretics!

Jozzy4:


for by him ..... that statement reveal he is NOT THE SOURCE but medium through which all things are created . only the source reserves the title of a CREATOR . Again JESUS IS NEVER CALLED CREATOR , HE himself acknowledge the FATHER AS CREATOR ( MATT 19:4-6)

Dude, I am not going to argue with you. You can selectively decide to use interpretation one place if it's fit your heretical views and deny it elsewhere.

We know that BMW make cars. We know that Apple Computers makes ipads, we know that Microsoft makes the Xbox. These products are "made by" these manufacturers. In the same way - these products are created by these manufacturers. So, selectively choosing words and giving them implied meaning shows the true nature of JW.

John 1:10 made it clear. Romans 11:36 even clearer but heretics and cults no matter now much they mix truth with lies have one thing in common - they deny the deity of Jesus Christ.

So let me ask this question - how many God/gods do you believe in and do you worship?

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45818308]

now let's look at my question again:
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maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6

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OK for your ranting to stop God gives revelation to Jesus to show his servants things that will come to pass shortly because Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Jesus signify it through an angel.
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quote]and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

]I already told you it was Jesus
Vs 4 John convenes greeting from the father referred to as he which was n which is, n which is to come and also from the seven spirit of God.
Vs 5 John convenes greeting from Jesus who he described as a faithful witness referring again to Christ mediatorship also, it also reveals that Christ redeemed Christians with his blood
Vs 6 they are now priest unto God.
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quote]finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9

I av address that
if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness."

Now let's look at your deliberately seperated answers:



did you see what you did wrong there ?, you failed to share your understand of verse 1, 5, and 6 of revelation chapter 1.
you deliberately omitted verse one and just quoted verse and 6 without telling us what you understand by what is written there.
therefore solite3, pls correct those deliberate omissions, you have not answered it.

[quote]
I did not ask you about revelation 1,2&3. I asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12
in your next post correct this too.

[b]
I will hold on to these your explanation of heb [/b]1:9, will come back to it once you have added the omitted verses and made neccessary corrections in your next post.
you can see once again the verses you did not attend to , so dnt claim that you have answered all the questions.

The questions are still pending

1. Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly.

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45818308]

now let's look at my question again:
"]

maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6

]

OK for your ranting to stop God gives revelation to Jesus to show his servants things that will come to pass shortly because Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Jesus signify it through an angel.
[

quote]and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

]I already told you it was Jesus
Vs 4 John convenes greeting from the father referred to as he which was n which is, n which is to come and also from the seven spirit of God.
Vs 5 John convenes greeting from Jesus who he described as a faithful witness referring again to Christ mediatorship also, it also reveals that Christ redeemed Christians with his blood
Vs 6 they are now priest unto God.
[

quote]finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9

I av address that
if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness."

Now let's look at your deliberately seperated answers:



did you see what you did wrong there ?, you failed to share your understand of verse 1, 5, and 6 of revelation chapter 1.
you deliberately omitted verse one and just quoted verse and 6 without telling us what you understand by what is written there.
therefore solite3, pls correct those deliberate omissions, you have not answered it.

[quote]
I did not ask you about revelation 1,2&3. I asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12
in your next post correct this too.

[b]
I will hold on to these your explanation of heb [/b]1:9, will come back to it once you have added the omitted verses and made neccessary corrections in your next post.
you can see once again the verses you did not attend to , so dnt claim that you have answered all the questions.

The questions are still pending

1. Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly.

dolpinsheart can you see your lies