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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Feranchek(m): 6:39am On Jul 22, 2016
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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Dexema(m): 6:40am On Jul 22, 2016
Everything is seen as a money making venture in this country good or bad, I have never liked FRSC from time because they have lost focus from educating drivers and have now turned "over-enforcers". Is it not this same country where tyres are freaking expensive that you expect people to change them even If not used for 4 years complete. I tire jare

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by drnoel: 6:47am On Jul 22, 2016
nedu2000:
Tyres are made to resist elasticity and are made to be rugged!! How would a tyre which after its manufacturing date is stamped on(could've been backdated) and possibly kept in a warehouse for weeks or even months be given an expiry date?

If a tyre is to have an expiry date 4yr from its manufacture then why isn't the expiry date written to its body?

FRSC who isn't a manufacturer and likewise doesn't have the ability to know the true composition of respective tyres shouldn't be the one to impose expiry dates on them.

What if I bought a car(tyres) and I rarely used it for 4yrs,would I be compared to tyres that undergo inter-state trips everyday for 2yrs?

What the FRSC should however be doing is to physically inspect tyres for wear/tear. To ask the citizens of 3rd-world countries to change its tyres every 4yrs is tasking and would push people to prioritise 'date of manufacture' to the actual quality of tyres.

I are correct parly but I think you sre also wrong. Nigerians just like many African countries use lots of second hand tires. If FRSC decides to examine tired baded on tire profile, I beg u more than 60 percent of the ones used in nigeria will be declared not road worthy. I bet thats why they decided on this part instead.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by stuffs4me(m): 7:06am On Jul 22, 2016
The government is telling you to change your tires now you guys are showing how sturbon you can be.

Later they will say its village witches.

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by nedu2000(m): 7:21am On Jul 22, 2016
drnoel:


I are correct parly but I think you sre also wrong. Nigerians just like many African countries use lots of second hand tires. If FRSC decides to examine tired baded on tire profile, I beg u more than 60 percent of the ones used in nigeria will be declared not road worthy. I bet thats why they decided on this part instead.
that's why the tyre should be inspected.how can you put a 4-yr expiry date in a 'poor' country like nigeria,on its citizens
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by bigfriend(m): 7:22am On Jul 22, 2016
The next time ur arrested because of expired tyres simply take a look at their own car tyres then u would know who would arrest who.hahahahahahaahah!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by sammhi(m): 7:24am On Jul 22, 2016
adanny01:
Tires age dangerously because of a chemical process commonly referred to as oxidation, which simply means that as the tire components are exposed to oxygen, the oxygen particles cause the flexible components of a tire to harden and become brittle. Over time, the tire will simply fall apart under normal stress, just like an old rubber band. Because this process occurs naturally, it does not matter if a tire is being used, stored as a spare, or simply waiting on a store shelf for an unsuspecting consumer.

Blow a baloon and leave it in the sun or just indoors, its just a matter of time before it blows out. Have you imagine why new plastic chairs these days are dangerous to sit but after a year they are strong but a year later they are brittle.

The only thing you should be talking about is how long does it actually take a tire to expire. I have seen 4, 5 and 6. I am no longer sure but i know how to check for one besides the manufacture date.

I have noticed that an expire tire would stain a white cloth. It will show very tiny cracks and wear very fast. It will most likely have tiny bits of it chopped off. It will change shape and become wobbly especially it too much pressure is but in it. All these things i see do not happen under 4years even with the chinese substandard tires.

I agree with you that it will be wrong for FRSC to make an arrest based on the believe that one's tire is expired. How can they proof that all tires expire in 4 years and when it is not written as an offence.
Pls stop writing what you know nothing about
Tyre a have no expiry date if not the manufacturers would have done that . FRSC is known to be exploiting Nigerians gullibility to make easy mini for themselves .
We educated ones must not allow this ompunity
Tyre swear out base on usage . A new tyre with over 100,000km within a year will age faster and need replacement compared to a one with five years and just 50,000km
What FRSc can do is to inspect for wears and tears not date of lanufacturing
That is the practice world wide

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by xcuggsm(m): 7:29am On Jul 22, 2016
LARGE BODY OF SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS A SIX YEAR TIRE EXPIRATION DATE

Numerous studies written by or for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration support a finding that tires expire in six years.

These studies conclusively conclude the following:

=>Tires begin to weaken and fall apart as they age.

=>The tire aging process happens regardless of whether a tire is on a vehicle or in a temperature-controlled room.

=>Most tires begin to significantly degrade around five years from the date of manufacture.

=>Six years from the date of manufacture, most tires are no longer safe for use on a vehicle
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OXIDATION:
For most tires, the expiration date should be six (6) years from the date of manufacture. Tires age dangerously because of a chemical process commonly referred to as oxidation, which simply means that as the tire components are exposed to oxygen, the oxygen particles cause the flexible components of a tire to harden and become brittle. Over time, the tire will simply fall apart under normal stress, just like an old rubber band. Because this process occurs naturally, it does not matter if a tire is being used, stored as a spare, or simply waiting on a store shelf for an unsuspecting consumer.

As THREAD LIFE becomes less of a factor in the service life of a tire (because of improvement in tyre manufacturing technology which reduces thread wear), oxidation becomes a more serious concern— particularly in hotter climates, like Texas, Florida, Georgia, and Louisiana which are routinely the hottest states in the United States. (.... AND AFRICA)

http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires-expire-in-six-years/

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Nobody: 7:34am On Jul 22, 2016
Not sure how the reply on this forum works. The 4 year period is about the time it takes wear and tear to set in. You should have heard of a tyre tread gauge? Also rubber itself after a while starts to weaken naturally beyond what the eyes can see.




nedu2000:
Tyres are made to resist elasticity and are made to be rugged!! How would a tyre which after its manufacturing date is stamped on(could've been backdated) and possibly kept in a warehouse for weeks or even months be given an expiry date?

If a tyre is to have an expiry date 4yr from its manufacture then why isn't the expiry date written to its body?

FRSC who isn't a manufacturer and likewise doesn't have the ability to know the true composition of respective tyres shouldn't be the one to impose expiry dates on them.

What if I bought a car(tyres) and I rarely used it for 4yrs,would I be compared to tyres that undergo inter-state trips everyday for 2yrs?

What the FRSC should however be doing is to physically inspect tyres for wear/tear. To ask the citizens of 3rd-world countries to change its tyres every 4yrs is tasking and would push people to prioritise 'date of manufacture' to the actual quality of tyres.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by bcy(m): 7:43am On Jul 22, 2016
I like people making references, like you just did.
But please, help us further and tell us few countries where tire expires 4 years from date of manufacture.

I think the manufacturers should be mandated to indicate expiry date since they know the material composition and processes to manufacturing tire.

My submission!

diportivo:
I don't see the argument here

All over the world,tyres av been said to expire after 4 years... simple!

If u want to argue legislation,vis-à-vis ur third world country claim,ur opinion.......dat doesn't,in any way,change the fact that 4 years remain the shelf life of a tyre
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by HaneefahRN(f): 7:48am On Jul 22, 2016
That was how they disturbed my mum early this month about two of her tires expired, something she has only used for about a year and are in perfectly good condition. She showed it to an Uncle and he said they are yet to expire that they just wanted to exploit her. She bought two new ones sha so they won't have any excuse next time.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by nedu2000(m): 7:58am On Jul 22, 2016
bodejohn:
The yorubas have an adage that says...if you had ever witnessed the destruction caused by thunder...you will not abuse it's god.

One of the tyres of my Honda Crv blew out on the 3rd main land bridge this year...the tyre that did the damage was only some months past the four years....

I lost the car and I was just lucky we didn't trip over into the lagoon. I will rather stick with the four year usefull life for tyres and be safe than argue it and remain at risk.

If FRSC is unable to prove that my tyres are expired after four years...how am I able to prove that they haven't?
with an instrument close to a venier caliper they or even drivers can measure the thread thickness to find out it it's worn out,i tell you that a 4-yr expiry date will only result in fake/'shortuse' tyres in the market
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Exponental(m): 7:59am On Jul 22, 2016
Misplaced priorities. They just trying to create a job for themselves. Very soon, when people start complaining about new tyres of poor quality, they will start selling tyres.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by nedu2000(m): 8:02am On Jul 22, 2016
pneme:
Not sure how the reply on this forum works. The 4 year period is about the time it takes wear and tear to set in. You should have heard of a tyre tread gauge? Also rubber itself after a while starts to weaken naturally beyond what the eyes can see.




and what if I barely used the car over the past 4yrs!?
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by streetzdreamz(m): 8:03am On Jul 22, 2016
nedu2000:
exactly!! Depends on the brand/model,even usage
bless you,a lotta factors depicts the expiry date of stuffs like this,i once bought a new tyre,it didnt last me a week!!it blew up without much pressure or heat,i tried another brand and it spanned for 3yrs before i changed it@op your points are valid,you should know the country we reside in,silly laws are made with no critical evaluations of its effect and causes,i for one dont see how frsc and the npf serves as a life guard for motorists in this country,they constitute a lotta nuisance and havoc than good,all they good at is packing mangled bodies of accident victims into their vans,i wish this tyre thingy gets scrapped or a more effective measure is taken to ascertain tyre strength which is not feasible,cuz each brands wont have thesame chemical properties,hence their strength will differ, usage also goes a long way,proper wheel balancing and alignment,infact the frsc are plain silly for making a yardstick for a vehicle component like tyres!!
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by frprof(m): 8:15am On Jul 22, 2016
bigfriend:
The next time ur arrested because of expired tyres simply take a look at their own car tyres then u would know who would arrest who.hahahahahahaahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by adanny01(m): 8:18am On Jul 22, 2016
sammhi:

Pls stop writing what you know nothing about
Tyre a have no expiry date if not the manufacturers would have done that . FRSC is known to be exploiting Nigerians gullibility to make easy mini for themselves .
We educated ones must not allow this ompunity
Tyre swear out base on usage . A new tyre with over 100,000km within a year will age faster and need replacement compared to a one with five years and just 50,000km
What FRSc can do is to inspect for wears and tears not date of lanufacturing
That is the practice world wide

It took me some minutes to articulate a reply for you. Did you actually read my post before quoting or insinuating things i didnt say?

Can you requote the part i said all tyres have an expiry date. I did mention i have seen 4, 5 and 6 years and am no more sure which is correct. Where else did you insinuate your post from? In fact i have seen in some researches saying 10yrs and even more but i made mention of the fact that it will be wrong for FRSC to peg an expiry date because they cannot prove it.

I ask again, did you read my post before quoting and writing things i think you have no idea about. If you had an idea you will tell me something about oxidation which i attributed to as the cause of chemical degredation of any rubber that is exposed to air (oxygen), water and heat. If you think i dont know, please try to sound a little more intelligent than me. If you have an opinion, is not a crime to state it but try to make sense of other peoples opinion because you might be wrong.

I wont close without telling you that a worn out tire is a different scenerio to a degraded (otherwise called expired) tire. When your new tire threads wear out within a year, FRSC will arrest you for driving with a worn out tire. A tire can be degraded right from the shop before you buy it, even before it ever enters a rim.

Last year i lost a new tire to serious puncture by a protruding reinforcement. I went to a tire dealer and wanted the same brand and size of tire to replace the one that got damaged. The man had the tire but its manufacturing date was 2 years ago. I asked him for a discount for it he said he wont sell it no matter how much i paid. He was returning it to factory as they dont sell tires with considerable life gone.

There are alot of things that degrade or expire but Nigerians dont take into account. Even strong stable well built buildings degrade, how many people know.

If you buy a degraded tire, i just pray for safe journey for you but i who is enlightened know the risk you are taking. Because FRSC does not have laws backing tire expiry does not mean tires dont expire. How long tires take to expire is what is of contention not whether it expires or not!
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by mfm04622: 8:31am On Jul 22, 2016
nedu2000:
Tyres are made to resist elasticity and are made to be rugged!! How would a tyre which after its manufacturing date is stamped on(could've been backdated) and possibly kept in a warehouse for weeks or even months be given an expiry date?

If a tyre is to have an expiry date 4yr from its manufacture then why isn't the expiry date written to its body?

FRSC who isn't a manufacturer and likewise doesn't have the ability to know the true composition of respective tyres shouldn't be the one to impose expiry dates on them.

What if I bought a car(tyres) and I rarely used it for 4yrs,would I be compared to tyres that undergo inter-state trips everyday for 2yrs?

What the FRSC should however be doing is to physically inspect tyres for wear/tear. To ask the citizens of 3rd-world countries to change its tyres every 4yrs is tasking and would push people to prioritise 'date of manufacture' to the actual quality of tyres.

Dear OP, if you have enough money to buy a whole car, why should it be a burden to change your tires every 2 years? Yes, i said 2 years and not the 4 you are claiming.
Production dates are stamped on each tire, along with other information you require. Like the maximum speed the tire can safely go, load it can carry, etc. Expiry dates are not used on tire because lots of factors affect life span of tires. So tires do expire.

Wear on tire depends on the distance it has traveled and road condition. My own experience is a change my tires about every 2 years. And i only use my vehicles to go to work and back, and just a little during weekends. I have never used tires for up to 3 years. Just check the dates on the tires before you buy. I will suggest you don't buy any older than 18 months
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by adanny01(m): 8:33am On Jul 22, 2016
bcy:
I like people making references, like you just did.
But please, help us further and tell us few countries where tire expires 4 years from date of manufacture.

I think the manufacturers should be mandated to indicate expiry date since they know the material composition and processes to manufacturing tire.

My submission!


I think part of the reason that they cannot stamp an expiry date is because various factors affect the expiry date. A tire exposed to heat or moisture would degrage faster. so it could expire before the expiry date stamped on the tire.

A car whose tire becomes flat on it and parked on the soil for a long time say 2years will expire in no time.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by nedu2000(m): 8:35am On Jul 22, 2016
mfm04622:


Dear OP, if you have enough money to buy a whole car, why should it be a burden to change your tires every 2 years? Yes, i said 2 years and not the 4 you are claiming. Let me answer you questions one by one.
Expiry dates are stamped on each tire, along with other information you require. Like the maximum speed the tire can safely go, load it can carry, etc. Expiry date mean even if the tire is NOT used at all, after 4 years, it should not be used! It is not FRSC that is imposing expiry dates.

Wear on tire depends on the distance it has traveled and road condition. My own experience is a change my tires about every 2 years. And i only use my vehicles to go to work and back, and just a little during weekends. I have never used tires for up to 3 years. Just check the dates on the tires before you buy. I will suggest you don't buy any older than 18 months
we all don't own hummer SUVs and mercedes C-class,tyres are expensive and if ur sincere u'll admit that nigerians are not having it easy,it will only open the way for fake tyres as we try to find a way round it
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by bilazego(m): 8:46am On Jul 22, 2016
why do tyre manufacturers give six years guarantee if it expires in four years.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Originalsly: 8:59am On Jul 22, 2016
nedu2000:


What if I bought a car(tyres) and I rarely used it for 4yrs,would I be compared to tyres that undergo inter-state trips everyday for 2yrs?

If you bought a pair of (synthetic) shoes and rarely used it for 4 yrs, can it be compared to a pair used everyday for 2 yrs? Have you ever heard of dry rot shoes?.... shoes that have been sitting too long after being manufactured?... the ones you buy that just fall apart after the first or second wearing? Tyres are pretty much the same...they don't have expiry dates but have date of manufacture and it is recommended that after 4/5 years ...used or unused.... the tyre would begin to get weak and weaker...unsafe. It is safer to buy a 2 yr old used Chinese tyre than a 10 yr old unused Michelin tyre.

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Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Nobody: 9:08am On Jul 22, 2016
diportivo:
I don't see the argument here

All over the world,tyres av been said to expire after 4 years... simple!

If u want to argue legislation,vis-à-vis ur third world country claim,ur opinion.......dat doesn't,in any way,change the fact that 4 years remain the shelf life of a tyre

Wrong again! In the united states this is disputed! Tyres dont have a fixed expiry date, they are rather inspected for wear of thread depth.

What u guys dont understand is that the so called new tyres imported from china are substandard and are prone to blow up without provocation.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by gloryman91: 9:09am On Jul 22, 2016
Sorry, poverty na disease o,but your life is precious than your money. Protect your life my friend.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Pecca: 9:25am On Jul 22, 2016
azure15:
What is the basis of the 4 years stated by FRSC? Michelin even says their tires can last for 10 years http://m.michelinman.com/US/en/help/do-I-need-new-tires.tip_list_tab_0.html
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by mfm04622: 9:51am On Jul 22, 2016
bilazego:
why do tyre manufacturers give six years guarantee if it expires in four years.

No manufacturer, an i mean not 1 give guarantee on tires. Mention one
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by murmee: 9:55am On Jul 22, 2016
erico2k2:

Yeh true, we dey manage, but the govt should fix the rds first b4 penalizing motorist for the state of thier vehicles, we already pay tax on the roads so govt should fix the roads first then penalize motorist for the stat of any part of thier vehicles afterwards not teh other way round
And let me tell you this new rules FRSC is trying to enforce has no benefit for anyone else rather for themselves.Another outlet to esturt money from me and you.
Your last sentence says it all. Because most cars flagged down by FRSC have correct vehicle papers. they (FRSC) now thought of another way to extort money from motorists (car owners) which is checking for expired tyres.
Even abroad, I never saw where cars are stopped to check for expired tyres.

You will not see any FRSC officer in any of the numerous garages where buses carry passengers accross the different states of Nigeria. Most of these buses do not have spare tyres, jerks, spanners and fire extinguishers yet they carry as many as 30 or more passengers at once.

To me, the job of FRSC should not be about private cars that have one or two passengers but about commercial passenger vehicles that move people in large numbers. But very unfortunately, FRSC major interest is to extort car owners.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by famzynet: 10:31am On Jul 22, 2016
It is wrong to say it is 4 years. A company like Michelin has on their website that their tires can stay up to 10 years before talking of expiring. So saying 4 years in Nigeria is extortion. We are in a country where the common man has no say. I have a michelin tyre I bought in 2012 and manufactured in 2011. Yet it still looks better than my other tyres with 2014 as their manufacturing date. Thunder go fire that road safety officer wee wan stop me for road. I go jam am and I no go stop. Nonsense!
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by lonelydora: 10:40am On Jul 22, 2016
To avoid all these arguments, DO NOT STOP FOR FRSC OF YOUR TYRES ARE NOT NEW. As simple as that.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by Rexleo(m): 10:42am On Jul 22, 2016
Once I was stopped by FRSC and my tyres where checked I just simply brought out my phone and start recording, ab initio I had already photocopy my owner's manual where it state six or 65,000 miles for that particular brand of tyres Firestone precision. Then I went ahead to context the condition of the road while all my papers were in perfect order with the c-caution and extinguisher.can you guys believe I was told my car will be towed to there yard even with a bulge by the side of my tyres ,guys I just told him put a mark on my car and buy a new car for me while all this is on going don't forget am recording them.there boss just came and said pls go.there and then I start to they vex like mad.told them straight that the road can not be bad and u expecting my car to be good that I have been doing James bond on this road.till today am still using my tryes like that o .I even went as far to tell them that they should stand at the bad portion and indicate to us road users. Attached is what the owners manual says.

Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by lokun(m): 10:56am On Jul 22, 2016
I guess you should require what composition were put together to make the tyre before contesting the 4 year expiry term.......as i understand the composition were forced to be together and would naturally disintegrate after some years either the tyre is used or not.
Re: Why The Placing Of A 4-yr Expiry Date For tyres is wrong by DaudaAbu(m): 11:13am On Jul 22, 2016
[q]DOT code: All tires for use in the USA have the DOT code, as required by the Department of Transportation (DOT). It specifies the company, factory, mold, batch, and date of production (two digits for week of the year plus two digits for year; or two digits for week of the year plus one digit for year for tires made prior to 2000). Although not law, some tire manufacturers do not suggest using a "new" tire that has been sitting on the shelf for more than six years (Ford Motor Company) or 10 years (Cooper Tire citing a tire association recommendation).[19] JATMA, the Japanese Automotive Tyre Manufacturers Association recommends that all tires be inspected at five years, and all tires that were manufactured more than ten years previous be replaced.[/q]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_code


[q]Dangers of aged tires Edit
Research and tests show that as tires age, they begin to dry out and become potentially dangerous, even if unused. Aged tires may appear to have similar properties to newly manufactured tires, but rubber degrades over time, and once the vehicle is traveling at high speeds (i.e. on a freeway) the tread could peel off, leading to severe loss of control. In tropical climates, tires degrade sooner than in temperate climates, and more care should be taken in these climates to ensure that tires do not fail. Also, tires on seldom-used trailers are at the greatest risk of age-failure, but some tires are built to withstand idleness, usually with nylon reinforcement.
Many automakers recommend replacing tires after six years, and several tire manufacturers (Bridgestone, Michelin) have called for tires to be removed from service 10 years after the date of manufacture. However, an investigative report by Brian Ross on ABC's 20/20 news magazine found that many major retailers such as Goodyear, Wal-Mart, and Sears were selling tires that had been produced six or more years ago. Currently, no law for aged tires exists in the United States.[/q]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire

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